Dacopathy, A Romanian Dacia Conspiracy Theory

Dacia was a kingdom bordering the Roman Empire, and like most kingdoms bordering the Romans it was invaded and its rulers removed. Romania is a nation whose roots sprouted out of this Romanisation, with a Dacian heritage to a very small extent no doubt - but some people think that Dacian is a language which spawned Latin and the Roman Empire, as well as Greek civilisation and the Eurasian Steppe, and that most of European civilisation has its roots in the Romanians of today, who they think speak Dacians and are a continuation of pre-Roman Dacia. In this episode, we take a look at why people believe this and just how far the rabbit hole in these theories goes.
00:00 Beginning
01:44 The Dacian Video
02:33 Dacopathy
04:06 Phantasmagoria
13:56 Dacia Preistorică
20:22 România Mare
26:57 Protochronismul
33:20 Italia
36:35 Ainu
37:39 Diolch
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[@tudorm6838]

There are two "sins" that we have to guard against. One is to believe that the past is ours to manipulate (instead of studying it). The second, just as big, is to deny the past because some have built fantasies from it.

[@georgearden7075]

Study what, the past was changed and adapted by the ones who wrote about it.

[@tudorm6838]

@@georgearden7075 History check more sources, archeological findings and other things.

[@georgearden7075]

You misunderstood what I said, check your English@@tudorm6838

[@Avgvstinvs]

@@tudorm6838 To understand something so complex like how a language evolved, or even more complicated topics like the history of a nation, it is mandatory to have a multidisciplinary approach (archeology, genetics, geography, etc. are a few disciplins/domains that if not mastered should be at least consulted, or specialists from these domains). This little man that looks and talks and uses arguments like a pacient from Săpoca can be taken as a buffon at most. If this ... person is your reference to understand your history, or language, I am trully sorry for you.

[@tudorm6838]

There is no need to be rude. I have seen Romanian experts who have much stranger theories. Indeed, a multidisciplinary approach is needed. It is strictly necessary. On the other hand, you can do linguistic studies, but you must avoid drawing historical conclusions because to get there, you still have a lot to check. I have seen Romanian linguists who venture into extravagant historical theories that have no historical support. This video seems okay to me on the linguistic side, the previous one seems less successful to me, but unfortunately, the problems come from quoted Romanian sources, of some Gentlemen, they did not respect the principle you enunciate here.

[@JeanHenryBerevoescu]

Corrections: 1. at 4:56 - it's Junimea (accent on "i"), not Juminea; 2. at 27:00 it is "Protocronism", not "Protochronism" - "ch" does appear in Romanian only in specific circumstances around groups like "che" (pronounced somewhat close to "k[h]e") and "chi" (somewhat like "k[h]i").

[@kamipersonal2687]

to reduce Mircea Eliade to his youth views is disappointing. Eliade was a writer, a historian and a philosopher... he even taught at an american university... they can't have hired him with those ...disgusting views, i suppose?

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

Agreed. M. Eliade did very valuable research on religion and myths and other representation of the numinous experience in humans everywhere. Bad-mouthing him is this way is not justified. Many cultures have myths about "vanishing gods" or heroes who disappear underground (or in a deep forest, etc.), and re-emerge transformed and transformative. Just as many cultures have Jesus precursors... It's Joseph Cambell's "Hero with a thousand faces." The problem is taking mythology and symbolism as actual history, which is what the video decries - rightfully - but indicting mythology scholars is out of order.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I do not discount his other works which are no doubt of great value and a legacy. But in this video, my focus was on Dacopathy.

[@ciprianmoldovanu6264]

@@BenLlywelyn Maybe you don't realize how ridiculous you are presenting yourself and your "research " in this video, it was hard to watch all the way to the end, even as an entertainment. I'm not sure if you are worth the time next time. 👎

[@tudorm6838]

Vasile Parvan is not just a "moderate", he is a true historian, educated at German universities.

[@L2Xenta]

I always appreciate a balanced international look at history, to be frank usually its quite useful and lucrative because contrary to expectations in the area it wont allow you to be too...modest, but I do prefer reality, or it's closest form either way. But that someone needs to be educated in Germany or UK... still sounds a bit.... as he would say in the video, chauvinist or reverse-chauvinism in this case if such term exists, and today even dangerous with the quality of the education in Western universities... the recent Palestine protests were quite the window into that, how they stopped teaching critical thinking and replaced it with something quite dangerous which I shall not bother name because its off topic anyway.

[@tudorm6838]

The problem is that at the end of the 19th century, there were not many places with quality higher education, what exists now did not exist then. Almost all the Romanian elites who later founded local schools studied in the West. Not only did they learn in the West, but they were also among the best in the world. When Parvan went to get his doctorate, the people there already knew his works and publications well, which were already recognized as valuable, and the doctorate itself was insignificant for Parvan. Anyway, he had the best possible professional trajectory.

[@googleuser5149]

Cine a sponsorizat mizeria asta? Vezi-ti de tara ta. Nu stii nimic despre noi! Numai greseli si prostii.

[@tudorm6838]

I learned at school before 1989 that Junimea was right and that Hasdeu was wrong. That Parvan was right and Densusianu was not. We were presented with Greek and Roman sources about the Dacians, and we had no idea that there were tablets from Sinaia. Communist propaganda did several things: it tried to present the head of state as the successor of the old leaders in the fight for the country's independence. In addition, they mainly presented moments of social tensions from history. Another idea of the regime that appeared sometimes was that the Dacian armies or later from the Romanian principalities were made up only of peasants and they forgot to say that part of the troops were semi-professional or professionals I haven't heard anything about Zamolxe's cult related to the communist regime, where did you get that? We have clearly presented only the Romanian sources about the religion of the Dacians and nothing else. ​You won't find much about Zamolxe in the historical films made then either. I don't know where you got the information from, but I can tell you that it is exaggerated. There were some protagonists who received money and had works, but they weren't mainstream and weren't broadcast on a large scale and therefore weren't very well known. For example, Ion Popescu-Puțuri, a historian who sat next to the party, had all kinds of theories. However, they were not taught at school and were not widely disseminated, as I said. It was a way for some to get ahead. If this gentleman was not able to write true history, he had found a niche in which he could publish something, but who read him? In the same way, Iosif Constantin Dragan was not known before 1989, but after 1989. Yes, there are people close to the former regime or sympathizers who wrote all kinds of nonsense, but after 1989, they also took advantage of freedom :) I understand that you have read Tismaneanu and Dan Alexe, but you should also ask some people who lived in those times and did not earn money from writing. We have Decebal's face on the rock, but don't Americans have 4 presidents? Aren't they crazy? If we take it that way, the first Dacopat :) :) was the emperor Trajanus, who built the column and filled his forum with Dacian statues. Of course, he did that to promote his accomplishments. If we talk about exaggerations, let's look at how many documentaries and artistic films there are about the Celts. And that's only because the UK and France have a production that is broadcast all over the world. Things evolved much more strangely after 1989, when anyone who has a pro or anti-Dacian passion, writes a book, even if he is not a historian and has no idea what historical research methods are. In Romania, there are two extreme currents: those who distort the history of the Dacians and those who deny the connection of the Romanians with the Dacians & Romans.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Pârvan seems he was a reasonable fellow. And those archaeological sites should be treasured and valued.

[@cristianmare1555]

In Ireland and in some parts of west of Europe the names of the streets or places are written in celtic also. So this means that the irish also and some countrys in the west where they are doing this they are making part of Celtopathy

[@cristianmare1555]

Also we can call many that are making part of Latinopathy because everything or allmost/almost everything to them is from latin, rome without being interested of studying seriously/ seriouslly other things also not just latin

[@cristibrad6742]

It is Junimea and not juminea. 'June' also means 'youngling' in old romanian and not just the godess Juno :). The first lasting creation of the Romanian state under Alexander Ioan Cuza was a generalist movement pushed forward by sheer willpower and sacrificing their wealth. 'Them' being the youth elite schooled in western Europe that managed to flip from the older elite that was very russian style inspired (they sure loved their serfs *wink wink not s**ves). A. I. Cuza was the guy himself that managed to abolish serfdom despite very steep opposition. Nice of you to cover such topics but keep it real. Anything to do with Dacia 'disappearing' plays into the hungarian nationalist propaganda as their thesis is that everything was empty and everything is rightfully theirs. So the topic is guaranteed to be highly controversial however one tries to nit pick it. Other that the nutjobs, the common folk does believe that latin came to Dacia and that the romanian language keeps some words from dacian origin.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I should have included the fact I respect Dacians are ancestors to Romanians and that Romanians are guardians of this heritage, and I respect that.

[@larissagildarasina7580]

Bravo, Cristi! propaganda maghiara, a zis ceva si de secui? hahahahahaha, unora li s-a facut frica.... brusc.

[@walkandcamera]

This > WAS < the thesis throughout the 19th century and the first part of the 20th century. Since then Hungarian historiography has moved on, while most of their Romanian counterparts are still lingering in 19th century romanticism.... Read any book on Hungarian history that is not older than say 70 years and you will find that they explicitly state that there were around 4x-5x as many people already there, compared to the invading Hungarians. So this is really just a Romanian problem now... As you can see people who are unrelated to this region are also laughing at these theories.

[@larissagildarasina7580]

@@walkandcamera I would read their history books if I could, unfortunately they are only written in Hungarian. I wonder why? Maybe because it's quite an impossible language to speak? When their H president comes over the border as if visiting her aunt in the same country, without official invitation, you can only ask yourself what is she up to???

[@ucanttouchthis227]

@@walkandcamera The vatican made all the difference to what you say.

[@tudorm6838]

Romania did not need to invade Transylvania. Consider that in 1918, order in Vienna was ensured by Romanian regiments from the Austro-Hungarian army. The same soldiers together with the citizens have a hand in power in Transylvania. What do you mean, that the Austro-Hungarian empire collapsed because it was invaded? Did the British Empire cringe because it was invaded?

[@violaskin]

bro this guy is the perfect example of a sophist. his sources are not only biased but he's missing (or ignoring) important facts, written by recognized historians and scholars which some of them didn't sell their pen for gold. one of those facts is that Transilvania had mainly romanian population (despide the ongoing cultural "conversion" of romanians to hungarian "nationality". what i`m trying to say is that the way he presents some things is questionable at best and shouldn't be taken seriously. but that's just my take, I might be wrong. One thing's for sure, nobody invaded Transylvania, it was already romanian land waiting to reunite with rest of it's body, simple as that.

[@cronos1.2_sqrt5.2]

​@@violaskinBetween Hungary and Romania, Transylvania was left no choice. Remember that it was a free country for almost two centuries and didn't give a s*^t for their Romanian "brothers". The first university and many other good things happened during that time. Actually Transylvania was given to Romania to punish Hungary after the Great War. As a concequence Transylvania was punished as well. Romania was a corrupt state and so will be.

[@L2Xenta]

Both Hungary and Austro-Hungary were.... wannabe empires. Looking at history in fact... Transylvania was actually "part" of Hungary for very short periods and only in more recent history, despite Hungary having massive influence on Transylvanian politics and events... its called being a vassal. Kingdom of Hungary migrated populations in Transylvania from its own and from Germanic "Saxons" but never was close to a majority population in the area, despite treating the local Vlachs as second class citizens. I guess one could say that Romania invaded Hungary.... to liberate its unfortunate capital from Communists. Are we the chauvinists ? I don't know.. considering that even today Hungary thinks it's entitled to be the Greater Hungary before Trianon pact, looking at its political leadership its true without doubt... problem is before Trianon, Hungary was a wannabe empire with 4 or 5 massive ethnic populations it "ruled" over, on these population's lands. So how shameless must one be to claim that its entitled to territories of so many other peoples ? Very ? Rhetorical questions.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

It's important to note that the Romanian historian Lucian Boia who promoted "Dacopathy as something unreal, mythical and crazy" in his books, was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Hungary. Hungarians are very interested in anti-Romanian rhetoric, especially when it comes to history. Of course they awarded someone like Lucian Boia who is inflating their ego ^^ Hungarians don't want Romanians to be either Romans or Dacians, just some "random" Balkans, which would mean Thracians and Illyrians, but wait a minute, the Dacians are a sub-group of the Thracians, so they contradict themselves? Illyrians mixed a lot with the Daco-Thracians, many later Roman emperors were of Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian or mixed Illyro-Daco-Thracian origins. So Romanians being Thracian, Dacian, and Illyrian mixed with the Romans doesn't exclude their Dacian, or Thracian, or Illyrian, or Roman side. Hungarians think they're smart when they call Romanians just "Balkan people south of the Danube" for political reasons, to claim Transylvania was never inhabited before the arrival of the Hungarians from Central Asia. The Vlachs/Romanians migrated back and forth, either north or south of the Danube especially because many of them became shepherds after the Roman Empire's collapse, it's called pastoral transhumance. Lucian Boia just loves receiving awards and praise so he has no qualms about betraying his country (especially since on his mother's side he has Italian origins so he doesn't even think of Romania as his country). Lucian Boia, like many Romanian intellectuals, doesn't feel appreciated, especially financially. It's a very sad reality that after the fall of communism in Romania, very little of the state's budget went to education and culture. So it's a given that Romanian historians, intellectuals, especially the greedy ones would write anything if they had financial backing, especially from outside of Romania. Ioan-Aurel Pop is a more accomplished Romanian historian and wasn't awarded by the Hungarian government. Hmmm, I wonder why 🤔. Maybe because Pop doesn't do the Hungarian government's bidding? EDIT: I am not for or against "Dacopathy", the name is pathetic in the first place. I am pro-research. It doesn't matter which side you are on, what is certain is that Lucian Boia is a compromised character.

[@larissagildarasina7580]

I don't agree with Boia, soia and moia. All these are Sososians.

[@popacristian2056]

Lucian Boia has an enormous file of collaborator and informer of the communist security for almost 2 decades. This is how he ended up writing "history" at the mercy of the Bolshevik regime. This character should be ignored, at least.

[@larissagildarasina7580]

@@popacristian2056 un scandal cu fata spalata.

[@RhiannonSenpai]

@@popacristian2056 Thank you for this information, another reason to not be a fan of Lucian Boia. He's the type of person that bows to whoever is in power, before the fall of communism he was pro-soviet and now he's pro-UE Bruxelles unelected bureaucracy. He's the type to go where the wind of power and money 💸💰 blows.

[@popacristian2056]

@@RhiannonSenpai Intradevar! Este exact tipul de om de nimic.

[@paolacociu8169]

There is some truth in this material, but when we say The Iron Guard we forget very often why this was created, it was there to recover Basarabia from the Russians. Antonescu exaggerated the number of Jews killed to Hitler. In both wars Romania entered by one or the other side following its territorial interests, to recover its own land from one power or the other. And for this it bears the burden of being called or thought ‘fascist’, ‘nazist’ until now. Not many talk about Romanians being massacred by the soviets, the collectivization that led to cannibalism, when people were eating dead human bodies. My great grandmother lived in those times, people were falling dead while walking because of extenuation. And before that, Moldova was a region of rich peasants, who were producing everything in their households. And as a miracle, after that famine, when Moscow found out that there was cannibalism in Moldova, they sent wagons full of food (the same food produced by Moldovan peasants ofc). The massacre of the Piatra Alba is already well documented. Alongside these, campaigns of deconstructing Romanian identity were taken. This state of affairs will always raise pathos in the society, therefore these sympathies, sometimes deviated, but having happened for a reason. I believe Romania was harshly judged for taking the part of the Nazis. But, if we connect two dots, these weren’t because of antisemitism, but for its own people. Antisemitism was propagated to maintain a regime thought as a chance to keep the integrity of the country,an evil regime, yes, but at times where the choice was between evil and evil. In the end, Romanians now bear the stigma of being called ‘tziganes’ in Europe. Romania is the country that hosted the most tziganes in Europe alongside with Bulgaria. There are also lots of Jews. Is this because antisemitism? Or maybe other were more antisemites, but their antisemitism doesn’t smell or is not taken into account? I have respect for Antonescu, he fought for occupied Romanians, and he deserves to be burried with the due honours. Or should he have killed for the communists and against his own country?

[@mihaiilie8808]

Yea and the,, type,, of Christians he mentions protested the deportation of jews in Bulgaria and made the Bulgarian Tsar not to send them to Auschwitz. Was a risky move from the orthodox church in those times. We are orthodox Christian Ben. This is the original church founded by Jesus.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I respect your nation's traditional faith. My own faith may be different, but that we are friends in the present is what matters.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I do not wish to demean Romania. My views are of course influenced by Jewish beliefs - that does not mean we cannot be friends and allies.

[@nicolaekititescu7739]

Greșit spui antisemitism. Au fost mai multe popoare semitice așezate în zonă, nu numai evreii. Deci anti evrei. Și...câți oameni au murit, trimiși în închisori sau în Siberia de evreii aflați la conducerea Rusiei, României. Câți oameni au trimis în închisoare jidanca hannah robinson, alias ana pauker, sau de ernö newlander, alias walter roman, fost șeful securității.

[@lec9]

​@@BenLlywelyn so you admit that your opinion is actually influenced by alogenic populations that are buying up the whole country for the last 3 decades ...That's exactly what I'm saying Ben ... If you really want to find the truth about the European ancestors you need to dig deeper and meet the archeological scientist that work on projects from their own money, donations... The state does not belong to us anymore, it belongs to your influencers they will never agree or support anything with a national view and they want us out of our lands emigrating for work to feed our children... All true living father bless us, thy children, the day to turn back the tide for our children's motherland !

[@thebeststoryevertold]

Nice one, the intro.

[@mdtd6288]

Thank you for sharing your perspectives. While I truly appreciate the insights, I've noticed a mix of accurate and potentially erroneous data in the discussion. To foster a more reliable and comprehensive understanding, it might be beneficial to include scientific support and evidence. I value your work and believe that integrating well-established scientific principles and proof can significantly enhance the accuracy and credibility of our shared information.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you. B.

[@ubuntuposix]

Junimea (youth), not "juminea". It comes from june (latin juvenis).

[@florinp1557]

👏👏👏👏

[@cennethadameveson3715]

As Alice cried "Curiouser and curiouser", I am looking forward to where the next tunnel of the rabbit hole we are heading for! I do hope people remember to be nice.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Diolch / Thank you

[@fredericosampaio6457]

Excelent Documentary, Ben 👏👏👏

[@BenLlywelyn]

Caredig iawn. Diolch!

[@sorinvijlanescu521]

Hi there, nice job you done here. One remark the group of Titu Maiorescu is not called Juminea but Junimea which mean the youth.

[@emanuelsadu263]

The hidden tunnels legend is very common in Romania, not just on a large scope but also on small and local scopes. In my town there is a myth of a tunnel hidden in the central park that connects different towns.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Interesting. I wonder where this common folklore came from.

[@GholaTleilaxu]

What is a tunnel?

[@tfmihancea]

​@@BenLlywelyn Abandoned undocumented mines. Some frome Roman times, most from the Habsburg ones. At least in Transilvania.

[@kuntpd2980]

Just as long you don't fall into the opposite extreme and do what the Hungarians do which is nothing short of beginning to narrate somewhere around the middle of the story and then proceed to call that history. The Hungarians are ever so ecstatic to share with the world that we were in Moesia during the Middle Ages but all their enthusiasm quickly fades away when it to comes to admitting that we were also in Pannonia and that the oldest Hungarian writers that wrote about the Magyar conquest of the 9th century referred to the country as 'Pascua Romanorum' and even though they were written during the 13th century the sources clearly state 'and even to this day they can be found in Hungary' also corroborated in just as concise terms by the 13th century Anonimy Descriptio Europae Orientalis, which also leaves no room for interpretation about whether the Blachs were Vlachs or Bulaqs as some Hungarians sometimes like to argue, giving a clear cut verdict in the favor of the Romance speaking Vlach pastoralists.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Either way, the two of you will need to learn to live in peace and respect one another's languages and cultures. They have been there for over 1000 years. If you want a successful Romanian State, it would in my opinion be good to be the best of friends with Hungary, because if the Székelys culture and language does not survive, then over the next 1000 years I doubt Hungary will forget it.

[@kuntpd2980]

@@BenLlywelyn What are you even talking about kind sir? xD The Hungarians denationalized the Szeklers all by themselves, as they did with the Avars and others before them. And the Szeklers weren't always Magyar; nor where they always loyal to the Hungarian crown, they chose to side with Stephen the Great for example instead of Mathias Corvinus back in the day; we got nothing against them, we benefited from their service as border guards just as much as the Hungarians themselves did even when they were in the service of the Magyars so we really got nothing against Szeklers, you don't seem to understand what the Romanian-Hungarian divide is about; we've been living just fine side by side for quite a while now and the last time someone carried ethnic cleansing against one another it was the Hungarians between 1940-1944 under Horthy and not the other way around. That aside we are in fact on decently good terms nowadays; it's just that we are being taught completely different world views about our shared history which will never go hand in hand and that's just how it is.

[@kunstleart]

@@BenLlywelyn "Transylvania is inhabited by three nations Szekelys, Hungarians and Saxons; I should also add the Romanians who even though they easily equal the others in number have no liberties, no nobility and no rights of their own, except for a small number" - Crotian bishop, Antun Vrancic Censuses of Transylvania released by Austria: 1310 AD - 400k Wallachians - 300k Saxons - 150k Hungarians, Szeklers and others. 1572 AD - 500k Wallachains - 180k Hungarians - 150k Szeklers - 200k Saxons. 1690 AD - 600k Wallachians - 150k Hungarians - 120k Szeklers - 100k Saxons. 1690 AD religious census - 590k Orthodox - 200k Catholics. Centuries of forced Magyarization, etc. and you think they're the victims?

[@scorilo6779]

@@BenLlywelyn Hey Ben why don't you give advices to your gouverment ,israeli gouverment ? Like : "Either way, the two of you will need to learn to live in peace and respect one another's languages and cultures Israel and Palestine " One more thing, as me beeing half szekely half romanian I can tell you that they are not hungarians or magyar but slovaks or other etnic groups brought here by the austrians and that is the truth , many of them are even romanians ho forgot about there own family ider by forced magyarization or by simlpy profiting of the fact that the hungarians had more right in Transilvania then the romanians . Learn more speak less next time. And give advices of Peace to your own blood .

[@AnubisMRM]

@@BenLlywelyn Romania made great efforts to integrate the Magyars and the Székelys in our society (even though some of them would like to have their own tiny state in the middle of our country), but the Romanian minority is not treated with the same respect in Hungary. As far as I know, the Romanians living in Hungary do not have the option to learn in their native language at school, have translated names for towns or public buildings and other 'small' gestures of good will between neighboring cultures. There is a long history of animosity between out peoples, but currently the Hungarian side is the one which is more chauvinistic. You kept talking about chauvinism in this video and it's a bit insulting. The Hungarians scoff even at the Magyars and the Székelys as they don't consider them 'true Hungarians' because of their different accent. I had plenty of Magyar colleagues at university and I still have plenty of Magyar coworkers. We get along very well and there are very few tensions between us, especially in large cities. So please don't lecture us about peaceful coexistence.

[@mariuscorbu9924]

JUNIMEA not Juminea, from romanian word "june" (young).

[@dimidimi9738]

Stop mocking us, I know that some ideas are well exaggerated, like the Vatican stuff and all that, but the truth is that the peoples who lived in these lands and did not migrate are our real ancestors, as it is also true that historians from ignorance and blind arrogance choose to reject a harsh truth like this: that a well-established non-migratory population are the real ancestors of the people who have lived in the same land since then and until now. It is true that liars, tricksters, dictators use history and identity for manipulation, but it is also true that in the hard times of division, people returned to their origins, roots. So no longer portray everything in a criminal ideology, as it seems you have done. Another important thing, the Romanians are the peasants, yes the population that remained and lasted regardless of the empire that conquered us ; not the small percentage of aristocrats, mostly foreign occupiers, who comed and went, and drew lines on a map. We are not the map drawn by the conquerors, we are the ones who stayed here regardless of the map, who were marrying each other among romanians who were very careful about their nationality and from which family comes, and this lasted until very recently, until the time of my grandparents who had discussions among their families because my romanian grandfather married my saxon grandmother, there were rarely hybrid marriages. it's not dacopathy, it's simply our ancestors, we as a people are not sons of a bitch in heat that mates with whoever she catches. I understand that people love each other regardless of race, but I also know the truth that I lived as a child, which I know to be so because this was the mentality of my grandparents, from both sides and of Romanians in general, they were careful who they married and with what kind of people were they related to. I also know that we are stupid and run after others, after Frenchisms, Turkishisms, Greekisms, Englishisms, we proudly wear the name of Trajan...Bucuresti, little Paris, etc.., any nonsense seems cool to us. We are between two worlds, fools and dreamers in the stars, but also with roots deeply planted in the ground. If you are truly a historian, you follow the root to the end, if not you keep picking leaves from the tree and lying to yourself that you have finished the tree.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I do not doubt Dacians are your ancestors. And as guardians of your land you inherit stewardship of their memory. No insult meant.

[@akuleet6029]

@@BenLlywelyn The Wallachian/ Aromanian hymn: The will of the forefathers Commands us with a great flame Children of the same parents We, the Aromanians from time immemorial. From beneath their gravestones Our good parents cry out: "We curse you if you have at home Someone who leaves his language For whoever leaves his language: Let him be burned by flames Let him be destroyed alive where he stands Let his tongue be burned in fire. Before his ancestral hearth Let him not enjoy a family Let him not see a family get married Let him not rock a child's cradle. For whoever leaves his mother And his ancestral name: Let him ever lose God's grace And the sweetness of sleep!"

[@sigfridironside647]

Not sure why you made Mircea Eliade seem like a dacopath. He never spoke of any underground tunnels, nor about the Bucegi Mountains. He did bring major contributions to the mythology of Zalmoxis, placing him more towards the mysteries cults (common for thracians) rather than with the earth dieties, like I. Rusu did, or with the solar dieties like Parvan or Daicoviciu. His theories about Zalmoxis are still relevant today and often referenced by modern scholars like Paliga or Staicu

[@AnubisMRM]

He should stick with linguistics and leave the high-horse moralizing on chauvinism to others. There are plenty of people who try to stir up mixed feelings between the Romanians and the Hungarians. We don't need another chauvinism expert.

[@octaviantimisoreanu5810]

⁠@@AnubisMRMDacopathy is a perfect example of chauvinism

[@AnubisMRM]

@@octaviantimisoreanu5810 De ce te porti ca un autist? Ce treaba are enuntul tau cu ce am zis eu? Esti capabil sa adaugi ceva semi inteligent?

[@SorinGaina]

😂😂Egypt was occupied by the Roman Empire for quite a long time, so I don't speak Latin, Dacia was occupied by the Roman Empire 😂😂😂 partially and for a short period and speaks Latin, the Russian Empire and the Turkish Empire had influence on Dacia or Romanian territories, we don't speak the Russian language and neither the Turkish language. How can this be explained?

[@BenLlywelyn]

Countries, times and locations are different. You can't say, this happened to Australia so it must of happened to France because there is a similarity.

[@florinp1557]

❤👏👏👏👏👏👏🙏👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

[@sorinsovii6281]

*Junimea - Young people, youngsters

[@frankjoseph4273]

Maybe Europe's languages were mutually understandable 3000 years ago. I saw many words from a proto Indo European original tongue that are spread out among nouns, especially in the west

[@BenLlywelyn]

Some northern Italic and southern Celtic may have been semi-understandable for a while, but these peoples (the Indo Europeans) branched off at different times whilst Indo-Euro. was still changing, so Armenian, Greek, Germanic, Balro-Slavic, came off the tree at different stages to Italo-Celtic.

[@jboss1073]

​@@BenLlywelyn Italo-Celtic was refuted in 1966 by Calvert Watkins. Please see current work by John T. Koch's on Celto-Germanic, showing the enormous amount of shared vocabulary between Celtic and Germanic that was not borrowed from either direction but native to both those languages and only those languages out of all Indo-European languages. There was no such thing as Italo-Celtic, all similarities between Italic and Celtic are coincidental and superficial and occurred from different phonemes, meaning they would have looked even more different the farther back you go. Also refer to this year's Max Planck publication by Paul Heggarty, Cormac Anderson et al., showing how Italic was the first to split away from Italo-Celto-Germanic, leaving Celto-Germanic together for a thousand years before Celtic split from Germanic. Please catch up on the literature you are representing on this channel. We can all do better. Thank you.

[@christopherellis2663]

Not forgetting the preIE languages, none of them related. Eg, compare Basque to any of the Caucasian, or to Finno-Ugric. Anything older than 6000 years is irretrievable.

[@jboss1073]

​@@christopherellis2663 Not forgetting that the Basque languages are only dated back to the Roman period and there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Basque is older than Indo-European, older than 6,000 years or a pre-IE language. As far as we know, Basque seems to actually be a more modern language than Indo-European.

[@ekesandras1481]

maybe, maybe means nothing. Are there any proofs for that claim? Any indications, linguistic ones, archeologic ones, etc.? No. There aren't any. The whole theory is an invention of some nationalistic daydreamers.

[@popacristian2056]

The explosion 0:56 of views and comments from that video is abnormal, and I don't think it comes from nationalists or true daco-paths... because they have always existed in a constant number and their number did not suddenly explode several times in August... Can you confirm that 4 months ago there was also a sudden jump in comments on the video "Romanian vs Welsh Language, how close?" after I made a comment in which I pointed out several dozen words similar to those in the Romanian language, supposed to be of Dacian origin? *I don't think these explosions of visitors and comments can be statistically normal unless they are coordinated and organized by an organization that deals specifically with such things on the Internet!*

[@BenLlywelyn]

I thank you for watching both videos. As to your question, there was a jump 4 months ago.

[@mihaiilie8808]

It's an organisation for sure that posts the crazy comments because in Romania I don't know anybody that's soo crazy into such mithological things. I think the goal of this organisation is to mix the historical talk with extreme crazy mithology to disable our history.

[@mihaiilie8808]

I think I found the organisation that brought his KZbin traffic. Its Misa yoga. Those cult guys are nuts believing in aliens and all these crazy stuff. I think it's a tool of disinformation from the west, to prevent Romanians from studying their history. Make us an easy colony.

[@popacristian2056]

@@BenLlywelyn With pleasure! Interesting. Did you notice in August, the same sudden increase several times, in viewings and comments for the other films not related to Dacians or Romanians?

[@CucuExploziv]

Junimea .. NOT Jumimea!! 😂 I laughed so hard.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Yes.

[@CucuExploziv]

@@BenLlywelyn Nonetheless, Great job Ben!

[@TheTudoor]

I lived in Ledbury from 2015 until late 2017, lovely place and people, hope to go again some day!Nice videos and thank you for promoting Romanian true history!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Bun venit.

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

​@@BenLlywelyn I have taken the title of _Dacicus_ for fighting against those Dacopaths who are destroying our beautiful Romanian history. I believe you deserve it more. When I first came to this channel, I thought myself you were a another westerner who fell to the beliefs of the Dacopaths. But now I am your loyal subscriber

[@valeriuarteni]

Because you dismiss many proves and facts, don't make you right. Don't agree with your stories, it's not the real history.

[@silviumoisa2355]

mare pupator de" scururi"!

[@silviumoisa2355]

tu ai crescut fara mama? ai fost "alaptat de tata? stergete la gura ca pute!@@InAeternumRomaMater

[@jamesconnolly5164]

I was in Romania a few years ago (American) and was talking with the Uber driver. I told him I know it's frustrating that people sometimes thinks Romanians are Slavs and that Romanian is a Latin language. He said, "Well, sort of. Latin is a Romanian language." I thought this was some sort of joke at the time. I asked him what he meant and he just said something vague like, "you know, in the past these people conquer then others conquer them and so on." I had no idea what he was on about.

[@silviumoisa2355]

esti american ! asta spune tot. proverb romanesc "cap ai,creier iti mai trebuie"🤣

[@BenLlywelyn]

Yeah, some believe it.

[@valeriuarteni]

@@BenLlywelyn ai cap, minte iti mai trebuie. Ai acces la multe documente dar alegi ceea ce-ti convine. La urma urmei esti un Mincinos mediocru. Cerceteaza mai adanc, nu numai suprafata.

[@rozetca]

@@silviumoisa2355 Ba, tu esti nebun?????????? :)))))) Ne facem peste tot in lume de ras cu nebunia asta ca latina se trage din romana!!!!!!

[@gordonbryce]

Ben, the map used at 37:00 suggests a steppe origin of the "Dacian" language-and places the origin in the now western Ukraine, rather than Carpathian Romania. Three cultures coalesced there over a 2000 year period, as a reminder,they are- Halstatt Celtic with its origin further west in Galicia/Austria, the wide ranging Scythian and the Dacian. I would not discount people from outside our Earth sphere also living there in the very distant past, possibly as refugees and/or small colonies using high science and an advanced culture now lost.

[@BenLlywelyn]

'outside our earth sphere' ? Next time I throw a party I want some of your stuff.

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

He's being ironical... @@BenLlywelyn

[@Superator69]

​@@BenLlywelynRomanians are Dacians and Dacians are the original Latins and Latin Dacians are originally from the planet Xalmosia so they are indeed aliens 👽

[@johnmanole4779]

Finally! I used to be one of those when I was a teen but I read about the poet Ovid and I just stopped it right there.

[@olgaroche2929]

So what did you read about Ovid that made you stop what?

[@larissagildarasina7580]

John, go back to bed, we haven't reached Mars yet.

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

Good question. I'd also like to know what he found in Ovid that convinced him there was no reality in what he'd adhered to. @@olgaroche2929

[@UlpianHeritor]

@@olgaroche2929 Any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion with some elementary research and a bit of common sense.

[@Kannot2023]

In 1642 in his book about Moldovian history Grigore Ureche says "de la râm ne tragem" in loose translation " we come from Rome" i think is enough, many countries like US don't have a lineage till 105AD

[@andreikope2518]

we wore lucky with the german king Carol 1 if it wasnt for him there would be no romania now and no lineage to talk about .

[@paulradovan8156]

we , romanians, were romanized by language, so, we are not really from ROME....Grigore Ureche statement is not an argument, but he was not lying, he belived it, he wanted to belive , so we do...

[@geluurs8235]

@@andreikope2518 lol the degenerates who call themselves kings in our country. they were dirty criminals

[@nihilsinedeo2838]

Noi am fost creștinați ca neam de Sfantul Apostol Andrei și creștin ortodocși suntem până azi.Asta e dovada că strămoșii noștri au fost dacii.Si deși imperiile din jur ne-au împărțit în 3,ne-au pus diferite nume până la urmă sângele apă nu se face și pe teritoriul României se vorbește aceeași limbă și chiar și în jurul României sunt teritorii care ne-au aparținut și în care inca se vorbește românește.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Știm că goții care au luptat cu Lucianus împotriva lui Constantin în secolul al III-lea erau păgâni și că ei au condus Dacia în acest timp.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynThe pagan goths were also Christian. They had Bible about Jesus Christ, but it was a heretic Bible. At the same time there were real Christians like Saint Sebas the goth, mixed with the arianic Christians. It was a Civil War between Arian Christian and Nicea Christians right in the visigoths capital of Pietroasele. The church calls the arians pagans but they were also Christian.

[@nihilsinedeo2838]

@@mihaiilie8808 Exactly ,they were christians,arian christians.

[@carmenl3433]

Sir, I am a former medical doctor, interested in the history of my country, Romania. I sugest that your research about us must include that Eneas was hosted by the kings of Capitolium, geto-dacians (see the origyn of future romans?), then the concept of Hiperboreea (Dacia), then the prehistoric symbols in Sinca Veche, Romania, then the huge amount of gold in our mountains, and emperor Trajan's words: let's go conquer aor former homeland... If you manage to link all of these things...👏 good for all of us and for sake of world's history! Have a good new year

[@BenLlywelyn]

An Nou Fericit!

[@birzulapatru4443]

Felicitari 👏

[@rozetca]

Ma tavalesc de ras :)))))))))))) Esti cu capul dom' doctor! :))))) Hiperborea era la Polul Nord, bre!

[@akuleet6029]

16:40 That's based on Aeneas. Quite funny how the Romans themselves were using the Aeneas story to appropriate Greek culture back in the days. Not that I'm defending Dacopathy but there's a few facts worth looking at: 1. The Roamanian Calus dance and the English Morris dance are very similar down to the traditional clothing with the only connection being the Dacians sent to England during Trajan's reign. The same dance is attested to have been brought to Spain also by the Goths; which would've naturally had some Dacians among their ranks and/or ample contact with the Dacian culture. 2. The geographical distribution of the Martisor tradition is not consistent with the geographic distribution of any other people except that of the Thracian people. 3. It is said that at the time of the Roman retreat from Dacia the Balkans were depopulated of men due to constant warfare so the Daco-Romans would've had a disproportionate representation among the Moesian population and it's makeup thereafter, (most of the Vlach population was South of the Danube river during the Middle Ages). 4. Constantine the Great's re-conquest of the North Danubian territories even if only as client states and just for a short period. (Constantine gained the title Dacicus Maximus in 336 AD). 5. The Greek eterists offered Tudor Vladimirescu 'the throne of Decebal' as part of their negotiations during the Wallachian uprising of 1821 as recorded by Iacovachi Rizo, the postelnic of Moldova; so the notion that Dacian ties or ancestry entered the consciousness of the Romanian people during the communist period / as a communist invention is complete and utter non-sense. I'm Romanian myself and I know our history is nowhere near as streamlined as what they teach in school but let no one say we got nothing to do whatsoever with the Dacians.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I should have made a clear point I respect you as guardians of that land have a duty to Dacian memory and they would be for many of you, your ancestors, and I respect that.

[@akuleet6029]

@@BenLlywelyn "Now that you have profaned the Holy Land we will proceed with due vigor against such presumptuous and criminal audacity, restore the land which you have seized; we shall give you a period of 12 months after which you shall experience the fortune of war, the youth of the Danube; who know not how to flee, the towering Bavarian, the cunning Swabian, the fiery Burgundian, you; God willing, shall learn the might of our victorious eagles and shall experience the anger of Germany" - Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Barbarossa to Saladin Even this quote i.e. "the youth of the Danube; who know not how to flee" seems to highlight the cultural hallmarks of the Dacians still related to the Danubian region close to a millennia after their demise.

[@kuntpd2980]

@@akuleet6029 Everyone and their mother wants to teach us our history these days.

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

I agree he should inform himself a little more. Has he read Gheorghe Musu?

[@ciprianpopa1503]

@@rose-mariemukarutabana9001you cannot throw such a sentence, and say nothing. He should inform himself about what?

[@Beeswax106]

I like your humor :).

[@d1427]

4:52 'Juminea- da youth'?! Lol- is that in the Dacian language?

[@Retrogamer71]

Fascinating and well presented history. First time I'd heard of the cult of Dacopathy. One thing that conflicts with my understanding is the King Decebel cliff monument on the Danube. That I believe is more ancient but your account says it is modern. Are all the tourist videos about it another form of myth making?

[@BenLlywelyn]

I have not watched videos about it.

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

The cliff statue of Decebal is a modern sculpture, not an ancient one. Dacian's were in fact a very interesting Indo-European people part of the Thracian branch and were more advanced compared to the Germanic's. But they weren't able to promote such advanced technology like the Greek's and the Roman's as no archeological discovery show's us that. But they have made very beautiful gold ornaments and other's that are presented in Romanian history museum's. I believe the "Decebal cliff statue" should be remade to depict Trajan more or any other Romanian medieval ruler

[@b33b1m0v3]

I am for the dacian continuity in romanian so with that out of the way, the cliff statue was carved after that "revolution" in the 90s and everyone was angry that it came out so , well, bad... terrible statue i say. It does not do justice to the original picture.

[@googleuser5149]

😂😂😂

[@constantinparaschiv5036]

Hello Ben! If you don’t mind where you took your reference’s? Can you parafrase please because I don’t find any studies behind these dacopat challenges . I mean hire everyone can say anything pro and contra without any evidence !

[@BenLlywelyn]

The fellow says Dacia invaded India. There is no evidence that happened.

[@constantinparaschiv5036]

I wan know just where are you inspired when you do your research ! I mean you cand find this so called “dacopat teoria “ written in books and history manuals but you can’t find anything writ against them in any book! To be honest I’m not chosen a side I’m not pro or contra dacomania or whatever it’s called! I just look after some evidence what can make some light in the dark. And the feu evidence what are believe to be about old Dacian people are challenged. I’m thinking you mai have some fresh sources about this because in my country the state no invest in archeologi or history program and no one research about new sources. There are two side what say they have right without bringing any evidence with a small advantage by a side what are based on some historical sources even if they are errors!

[@razvan_anton]

DAOI in the Vedas . The word for city in the Dacian language is DAVA . Look up more, they didn't invent the word INDO EUROPEAN for nothing . Dacians were in India , not Invaded, happy now ?@@BenLlywelyn

[@sierraleonediamondexplorat2080]

@@BenLlywelyn I believed he was refering to the Aryans which are believed to have originated in the Carpathian basin.

[@lec9]

@@sierraleonediamondexplorat2080 there's actually lots of scientifical proves...not only from inside our borders but from outside our borders, great scientists( not medical scientist) that proves the inside of the carphatian arch it didn't froze during the last ice age Human remains found in those lands shows a minimum of 33% of our DNA is identical to those living on those lands over 35k back

[@dargaard3339]

one thing when you associate wallachia of basarab 1 with romania is a mistake. romania didn't existed on that period, and the lands of wallachia, transylvania and moldavia were viewed on foreign maps as Dacia even in the 18th century AD. Even the Michael the brave that unified those territories was mentioned in hungarian texts as "mallus dacus" meaning "evil dacian". there is no such thing as dacopathy its just you a foreigner not interested in learning traditions of this country called Romania and noticing a simple fact that those traditions are unchanged for thousands of years.

[@dacule]

Great content, please keep doing this and keep digging in the Romanian history 😉

[@paologiusseppe4137]

Thank you for the meticulous, eye-opening analisys!

[@larissagildarasina7580]

I cannot agree. I only agree with TRUTH. Can you prove I am wrong?

[@unuldintrevoi3350]

It is garbage, a random internet bullshit collection. He didn't bother to read the books he mentioned...

[@AnubisMRM]

Meticulous? Good one :)

[@gabrielalexander6498]

Mr. LLywelyn, you should first pronounce the name of the youth society you mentioned, correctly: It is "Junimea," not "Juminea." Second, after the conquest of Dacia the Romans left only two legions to administer the occupied territory, which represented about 1/3 of the total Dacian territory. They had two major settlements, Sarmizegetusa and Apullum, and other smaller settlements. The Romans left Dacia around 271-275 AD, after having occupied the area for, at the most, 175 years. By contrast, Romans occupied all of what is today England and Wales for three and a half centuries, built 22 major towns (castras), and left four legions to administer the territory. Yet, you claim the Romanian language is somehow a "Latin" language, while English, which had much more contact with Latin, both in territory and in time is today, is by some miracle an "Anglo-Saxon" language, and this even after the Norman conquest. The proof that the Romanian language is very resilient, even after hundreds of years of occupation, and without the right to use it in schools or government offices, is in Transylvania. Pick up any historical linguistic map of Europe and you will see that the majority of the people in Transylvania have been speaking Romanian for as long as they had been under Hungarian and later Austro-Hungarian rule . And lastly, if you want to use the pejorative and frankly idiotic term of "Dacopathy", you should apply that term to Emperor Trajan, who conquered Dacia. It was he who honored the Dacians with countless statures in the Roman Forum and other important sites in Rome. I don't see any statues of Britons in Rome... I wonder why... So, Mr. LLywelyn, if someone is suffering from phantasmagoria, it is you!!!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Yes, Junimea. A mistake. Too late to correct now.

[@gabrielalexander6498]

@@BenLlywelyn How about correcting everything else? Have looked at the work of the Spanish Catalan linguist Carmen Jiménez Huertas? Have you taken an even cursory look at the stupidity of the arguments about the "romanization" of Dacia? Try watching Daniel Roxin's channel and get an education... other than the indoctrination you now have.

[@gabrielalexander6498]

@@BenLlywelyn OK... I am being too hard on you... and I admit that I've watched several of your videos and found them informative and interesting. The language connection between Welsh and Romanian was a good one... The Romanian linguist MIhai Vinereanu talks about the close linguistic ties that existed between the Celtic and Dacian language, when the two cultures came in contact. You may also want to purchase Vinereanu's newly published DET (Dicționarul ETIMOLOGIC al Limbii Române). In it, he shows that only about 20% of the words in the Romanian Language are of Latin origin. I will continue to watch your videos because they are interesting and I actually like the way you present them... but will comment as I see fit...

[@gabrielalexander6498]

@@BenLlywelyn One last comment about the resilience of the Romanian language. I mentioned the situation in Transylvania. I should also have mentioned the situation in Wallachia and Moldavia, who were under Turkish domination for more than five centuries. Yes, there are approximately 3000 Turkish words in the Romanian language, but that does not make Romanian a Turkic language... Moreover, the Turks used Greek Phanariotes to administer their conquered territories. It was the Greeks who founded the first university in Romania... And speaking about the Greece, have you done a study of the Aromanian language spoken in the mountains of Greece? It is supposed that the Vlahs who live in those mountains came from Wallachia and speak and old form of Romanian... But that theory may also be wrong... They may also be a small remnant of a larger population that existed in a very large territory in southern Europe, a region that included Macedonia, Albania, and all the countries of the former Yugoslavia,

[@gabrielalexander6498]

@@BenLlywelyn Sorry... I just remembered... You mentioned Daco-Getae king Zamolxis in passing, as if he had been another figment or Dacomania. And, no, I am not interested in what Mircea Eliade had to say about him, but I am certainly interested in what Herodotus, Jordanes and Plato had to say. All of these references, which you could have used, were discarded... You were much more interested in how the Communists twisted historical facts to suit their purpose rather than presenting the true history of Romania. This is unforgivable, especially from a man with your knowledge!

[@mateim2619]

Many intelectuals dedicated their entire life to study the history of this country today called Romania, they have gone through thousands of years of history to prove that Dacian history and culture is the heritage of romanians. I beleieve you need way more time to study the history of this country before making a video like this one. There are people in all the cultures that love to exagerate the things when talking about their history, but this must not be confused with real consistent intelectual efforts and arguments given throughout thousands of years that prove romanians to be the descendants of dacian people.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Being descendents of Dacians (by genetics) is 1 thing, and ancestors should be honoured. The language and culture is another thing.

[@akuleet6029]

@@BenLlywelyn As I already pointed out there's some existing cultural features that go along with the genetics such as the Calus dance and the Martisor tradition/ custom. See es. wikipedia. org/wiki/C%C4%83lu%C8%99 and the Birdoswald people which I'm sure you're already familiar with. The Martisor might not be conclusively Thracian in origin according to the mainstream but the fact remains; you can take the whole list of peoples that ever inhabited the territories and only the geographic distribution of the Thracian people alone will check out with the areas where this custom is known to have ever been present. And as a matter of fact we don't know much of anything about the Dacian, Thracian and Moesian languages so you're seemingly making an argument about something that is not even known as if it were. Not much is known about Illyrian either and how exactly it related to the other 3 but the Albanian - Romanian connection is well established i.e: Romanian - Albanian. (too lazy to add diacritics but anyhow) Balta - Balte Brad - Breth Bucur - Bukur Buza - Buze Capusa - Kepushe Caciula - Kesule Codru - Koder Gard - Gardh Gata - Gati Ghimpe - Gjemb Grapa - Grope Naparca - Neperke Parau - Perrua Gusa - Guse Strunga - Shtrunge Sale - Shale Pom - Peme etc.

[@seaman5705]

And what will be those evidence ? Take the period from 6th to 11th century and show me the evidence about the descendants of the Dacians. If you can not , I would advise you to stop eating shit about Dacian heritage . Also you can show me some evidence of Dacian culture before 2nd century BC and after 4th century AD . I am waiting with interest !

[@seaman5705]

They don't have any genetic evidence about Dacians . If you ask them , they say is no possible because Dacians burned their dead . The truth is that there is no any attempt to study the problem . Not to mention that the_idiots have no idea about what genetics is . They only know some antique population had I2a , thus those with I2a from today are descendants of those from stone age . And then they start to aberrate about Pelasgians, Hiperboreans and Atlants . @@BenLlywelyn

[@akuleet6029]

@@seaman5705 there's 2 genetic studies from the top of my head that show genetic continuity going back 6000 years. 'Ancient DNA from South-East Europe Reveals Different Events during Early and Middle Neolithic Influencing the European Genetic Heritage’ by Montserrat Hervella et al, page 11 and Alexander Rodewald’s Costişa fossil DNA study. The Calusari dance comes to us from the Dacians also as I keep saying, which also brought it to Britan and the Goths brought it to Spain. And it's mainstream history that the Romans signed a treaty with the Dacians not with the Goths when they pulled out of Dacia, that Constantine the Great gained the title Dacicus Maximus in 336 AD and that the Carpi were never Romanized neither fully conquered or annihilated by other tribes all throughout. And the Hunnic Empire were a typical nomad entity, a minority elite ruling class ruling over a majority local sedentary population; or in this case a bunch of them.

[@ProjectMirai64]

nice

[@av4840]

Keep up the good work Ben !🇷🇴🫶🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@BenLlywelyn]

Many thanks. I shall.

[@elenabibescu1848]

Please, when you provide figures, show the evidence. You said that during Groza, between 1 million and 2 million were killed? From where did you take this figure? Most of communist during Groza and Dej were Jewish. Vladimir Tismaneanu was a son of a communist (Leonte), he is not an honest Romanian, he lived in USA and he wanted to take advantage of USA denigrating the country. ONG.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonte_Tism%C4%83neanu

[@olgaroche2929]

This is your best subject to get more viewers to grow your channel and make known your name, try to study deeper and get more popularity. This is your best subject: you have to travel to Romania to learn more truth! But you have to study more and more and more because more complicated will become! More than you think! You’re just in the beginning now!

[@BenLlywelyn]

It would be a pleasure to see Romania! Mulțumesc.

[@olgaroche2929]

@@BenLlywelyn you are awesome! In Romania will find the land of Pelasgi , the peoples and culture before Thracian Dacian and Greek, probably from Pelasgi the influence in language and alphabet comes to us. Achile is called Achile Pelasgianul. Also Parta Temple, which is considered to be probably related to Gobeckli Tepe in Türkiye. And more…

[@cristibrad6742]

@@BenLlywelyn finding proper non biassed resources in english about romanian history is hard because the communists did all their best to mute (bl00dly) everything historical that is not in line to the narrative of 'russians are the great defenders of eastern orthodoxy'. They claim that they are the sole reason Romania was created. That might have been true if not for the fact that their army was defeated by the ottomans in their ruso-ottoman war from around 1877 because they thought that after Crimeea, driving towards Istanbul would have been cake. The romanian army as it was at the time salvaged the situation and thus the independence war was concluded. This even got to happen as it did because the russians did not want the romanians involved in any shape or form because Romania's fate was to be the same as the Crimean Khanate.

[@seaman5705]

Don't mind her - as I told you , the dacopats arrested Achiles . There is nothing to change their inept brains . @@BenLlywelyn

[@scorilo6779]

Nailed it ! Bravo !

[@damirserbanovic]

2:25 Latin was not born out of Dacian but they were born at the same place by the same people, that is not so hard to comprehend. Italy was conquered and Etrurscians defeated by Daco Thracians and Tribalians from the north + Germans and Greeks and Ilirians from the south . Those east west migrations created same language, proto Latin or vulgar Latin that was the one that is still spoken today in parts of Italy, Romania and Balkan peninsula / by various Vlach/Romanian groups. Mind you in those times complete population of Europe was the same size as of a mid size modern city.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Latins defeated the Etruscan cities 1 by 1.

[@damirserbanovic]

Who were those Latins @@BenLlywelyn Where did they came from ? If they were on Apenine peninsula they would be mixed with Etrurscians dont you think ?

[@octaviantimisoreanu5810]

Romanian comes from Latin, not Dacian.

[@damirserbanovic]

@@octaviantimisoreanu5810 what I want to explain in simplest terms is that both romanian and latin comes from the same protolatin language. they are the same people language was close as German and Austrian are today...

[@UlpianHeritor]

@@damirserbanovic Yeah, but as long as I can explain to you how Romanians actually come from planet Mars. Do you see how ridiculous my belief is? That's how the world see's your beliefs.

[@vasilecatana4318]

Not Juminea but Junimea society where Titu Maiorescu and Mihai Eminescu were activating .

[@sorescudragos5231]

Walesopathy' seems to be on the rise. (RO)Ba, iti spun asa, time will tell.

[@BenLlywelyn]

In a way I hope so if only to spark interest in my country!

[@gabrielababa1125]

History have been very splinted and hidden well or lost. It is extremely highly possible Romanians are indeed where the latinism has started from. And traveling towards the western world. The only eastern latinised country of the east seems like is likely possible to have brought in the western parts rather than viceversa.

[@ionbrad6753]

That is no secret. All indo-european languages came from the steppes north of Black and Caspian Seas. But that happened thousands of years before Dacians.

[@UlpianHeritor]

Lol. This is completely false. These ideas came from people suffering from brain cancer.

[@skellagyook]

Latin is one of the Italic branch of Indo-European. The Italic family originates in/is unique to Italy and all Italic languages (Latin, Faliscan, Oscan, Sabine, Umbrian, Venetic, etc.) were based there. So Latin coming from the Balkans just doesn't make sense, though the common ancestor of Italic and Celtic (Italo-Celtic) might have come from somewhere just north of Italy (France, Switzerland, Austria, or nearby), and of course Indo-European itself came from the east (probably from the Russian/Ukrainian steppe from a mixture of the languages of the native hunter-gatherers both of Eastern Europe and the Caucasus) but perhaps with an intermediate phase near the Balkans.

[@3dwardcullen69]

No. It's quite impossible for Latin to have come from Romania. This idea is ridiculous and I say this as a Romanian. Romanian comes from Vulgar Latin, not Dacian.

[@romeostanescu3029]

Roman empire didn't concquer all Dacian territory,so they couldn't have a big influence in dacian language,in that territory many empires comes(roman,otoman,austro-ungarian,russian) but non of them couldn't stay forever and change something in culture or language.Of course any language have borrow some words from other langueges,but not that much to influence all language. (two correction, they didn't call them 1 ; Boyard ; they call them ; Boieri ; 2 ; Juminea ; corect is ; Junimea ; Who was the most influetial intellectual and political association from Romania in the 19th century. Please do a better reserch when you make a video about a country who you don't know.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Languages don't just change through war and conquest. In English it is Boyar. If you think you can do better, make a video yourself.

[@romeostanescu3029]

@@BenLlywelyn I can’t say I do better but some historical facts are not accurate, I don’t want to have a polemic with you, but I think you can do better than this, try to understand Romanian history and do some strong research before, you said Romanian army invaded Transilvania, over 80 % of transilvania people was Romanian , austro-ungarian empire ripped apart of Romania, and later Romania come back for their territory. In that time otoman empire try to rule other parts of Romania and they have some wars with Russian and Austro-Ungaria empire. Tradition, culture, and language can’t be erased even after 200 years of occupation, real proof is Romania today ,hundreds of years of occupation couldn’t erase nothing, country ripped apart by few empires now is stronger than ever before. I know you know about Romanian tradition and culture , many times empires try to change something, like example: under austro-ungarian empire people from Transilvania was forced to change their name and religion to look like ungarian people and to create impression of Hungarian are majority in Transilvania.

[@guristu]

I recently discovered your channel and I'm catching up on your content. It is all bonkers, but I hope you can understand that Romania, prior to King Carol I, never had its own ruler (Stefan the Great is a notable exception), we never had the necessary peace to develop an elite to write our own history, as we knew and understood it. It was always someone else who set things "right" historically for the 3 principalities. When they finally had a state, they needed to anchor it in something inspiring for the young nation, and as a "tabula rasa" was not an option--like in America--they grabbed the next best thing: the unstained genealogy. That, combined with a very low intellectual rigor among the newly formed semi-elites (if one can even call them that for the most part), the stubbornness (boneheadedness, really) Romanians are famous for, and the strong bad influences from various "well-meaning" political powerhouses of that time, yielded something that we are struggling with to this day. But things are improving; I would suggest the works of Lucian Boia, which, some of them, have been translated into English. Anyway, have you noticed how your views go down when you say something seemingly negative about Romania? I told you, we only like to hear good things :) Notice that chip on the shoulder? Btw, Mircea Eliade went on to become probably the most respected Historian of Religions at the University of Chicago. I haven't read his scientific work, but if he says Zamolxis existed, then it is so, because he's an authority in the field :) Ain't it funny though?

[@adhishon56]

Mihai Viteazul, not Ioan cel Cumplit, Junimea, not Juminea, and boieri, not boyars. Where you did your research man, because it isn't credible at all with such amateurish mistakes?

[@BenLlywelyn]

Boyars in English.

[@Superator69]

​@@BenLlywelynMihai Viteazul, Michael the Brave, was the last to fight the Ottomans and the first to reunify all of modern day Romania into one territory in 1600AD by conquering Transylvania from the Hungarians, Wallachia from the Ottomans, and Moldavia from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. He even raided Istanbul and Ottoman citizens called him Micheal the Emperor as they thought he may even conquer Istanbul.

[@Dimples_Mom]

Michael the Brave was named "Malus Dacus" by Europeans... I wonder why...@@BenLlywelyn

[@carron979]

4:55 it's "Junimea"... think about the French for "young": jeune not jeume...

[@BenLlywelyn]

Yes.

[@carron979]

@@BenLlywelyn Hi, Ben! I find you cool and your videos interesting... It's just that you said (and wrote) "Juminea" 🙂 May I suggets you add an "erratum" at 4:55?

[@nuperaa6617]

The hidden tunnels have probably came from the 18th century or later, there are tunnel for example in Focșani and they were used for contraband and goods storage. In my opinion from these types of tunnels came the whole mythology, some of those are really crazy like there should be tunnels that goes to Egypt 😅

[@Beta-XYZ]

Well now how we can compare Nicolae Densusianu to this guy Alexe?, first ND was speaking many old languages of ancient times he was comision by the national archives of that time to collect from Europe most prestigious library and archives information about this subject, and today are scholars who agree with him. I’m not studying history but how this people today in Romania know more than others before??

[@BenLlywelyn]

People today have the internet.

[@walkandcamera]

This basically goes back to 19th century chauvinism and romanticism. All nations had this problem, some have managed to discard them, others not... Same as Hungarians identifying with Fins, or French with Gauls, or Ukrainians with Vikings, or various other people identifying with the Lost Tribes of Israel, and other such lunacies... Indeed a major issue in the case of Romanians was that both Fascists and Communists believed in this, so actual historical knowledge and research was often regarded as "unpatriotic" and even "treasonous".

[@gabork5055]

We never identified with the Finns, lol. There's a hoax in Hungary among ultra-nationalists about the Habsburgs forcing this idea but Franz Joseph actually built a statue for Anonymus/Master P the scribe who wrote the Gesta Hungarorum. There are some similarities between the Khanty-Mansi and Hungarian language, we had some ancestors who at some time lived close to them -the theorized place called Dentumoger that's all there is to it really.

[@dargaard3339]

peles castle wasn't build for the king. it was build by the king. get your facts straight mister. this proofs how much research you did or valid is everything you say here when you don't know this simple fact.

[@Son_of_Burebista]

Quite a few Welsh and Romanian are very similar if not the same. It has always puzzled me! Even the word "window" sounds more or less the same.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Latin.

[@mashu7846]

👍

[@mihaiilie8808]

Ben, certain things that are mainstream history are very wrong today but will be acknowledged in a few centuries. Dacopathy has the same fate as Leonardo da Vinci. For instance, the old man drawing in history books that they say it's Leonardo, it's not him. He didn't got to that age and it's his grandfather mistakenly presented as Leonardo himself. Monalisa painting, there you see a man that was Leonardo lifelong companion and named Gian Giacomo Caprotti. It's not a woman, his nickname was Salai and Monalisa is a game of words made by Leonardo, from Mon Salai. Things like this and the fact that dacians sacked Rome, that Romanian language it's the precursor of Latin, that Romulus and Remus legend has dacian roots, the shewolf and the wolf was the dacians symbol. Basically Roman's themselves say dacians are their ancestors. Things like these are hundreds of years ahead of their time to be revealed. The world is not ready that the most famous depiction of a woman is actually a man or that the whole Latin world started in Romania. There are more Latin languages speakers in the world than even English speakers. It all started in the crazy, awfull Romania.

[@lec9]

Well said... it's tricolor colours goes back to the beginnings, as life tucked shape...

[@decemvre]

ChatGPT: Following the Decree of Turda in 1437, Romanians in Transylvania were increasingly marginalized and excluded from political power, which was consolidated under the Unio Trium Nationum. This union excluded the Orthodox Romanians from political and social life in Transylvania. Over the centuries, particularly from the 16th century onward, the nobility became synonymous with Hungarianness, and Romanian nobles who wanted to retain power had to adopt Hungarian customs and convert to Catholicism​​. Thus, Romanians faced a period from at least the mid-15th century until the 19th century where they were not allowed to participate in the political power structures of Transylvanian cities, effectively marginalizing them from urban settlement privileges. Romania did not invade Transylvania but liberated it after it democratically (majority Romanian) voted to unite with the rest of Romania. Other than that sure Dacopathy is mostly shit.

[@L2Xenta]

I don't know this goes a bit overboard, maybe you also want a bit to spite some of those people that commented on that video I guess but... most ppl looking up to Dacians never really thought they are ancestors of Rome, or those sci-fi things... not that I or most even read that fantastical book. There was speculation that Dacian may have been possibly related to Latin... because it would explain how a vulgar Latin language was assimilated in such short period of Roman domination of the area, very few actually buy in such theories that Rome or it's language originates in Dacian area, I don't know any such ppl either way. But why I say this goes a bit over-board... it's not that I recently studied this but from what I remember... most hardcore nationalists pre-WW2 thought of themselves either as Romans or Daco-Romans in origin, not as Dacians... in fact most looked up to the Roman empire. As for antisemitism , the argument was rather that the Jewish would avoid the Romanian peasant and look down on them as inferior, while mocking their king and religion, while also promoting Bolshevik/communist ideas in eastern cities like Iasi. Then there were the typical "business practices" accusations... of tricks and unfairness to locals. There are some nice folk songs about Dacia, but not about some Dacian empire that was origin of Rome, but about it's leaders and people that fought the greatest Empire with great bravery and resolve, about Decebal's end.. etc. To me this romantic view of Dacia was always because despite their great bravery and resolve in the end they did lose to the war machine that was Rome, and they did supply Rome with significant gold quantities from it's rich mines. At the end of the day one can think what they will about Dacia but its still one of the few regions that actually had the Romans pay quite significant tribute to them for several years. P.s. Are those 2 pictures 22:28 supposed to be pictures from romanian Pogrom? Or from WW2 in general ? Ive been searching for such material for quite a while... can I have a source? (Meat Hooks yea ? Do you know that the 1 witness/asylum seeker in US/communist activist that made that claim also said that they drank their blood? Cuz you know... romanian vampires).

[@BenLlywelyn]

Nothing wrong with taking pride in the Romania's Dacian past if done with moderation and realism.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynMost Romanians do not even know what a falx is.Not even talking about the bulgarian Romphaia. So we need more education about the dacians.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Hasdeu wrote Razvan si Vidra about a gipsy king Razvan that killed the moldovan king and took his place. The moldovan king was a pawn of the polish and wanted to fight with valachian Michael the Brave. After 8 months of glory alongside Michael the Brave, the gipsy Razvan was hanged by the polish. He was a true gipsy king and a Romanian hero. Moldovans are called gipsyes by russians although they have the most blond hair genes in Romania, because they had a gipsy king. Razvan is very important for the gipsyes and many name their kids Razvan. So Hasdeu promoted racial tolerance like no other romanian.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Your country is full of fascinating histories.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Hasdeu hated the boyars soo much that he wrote Rasvan si Vidra about the gipsy that becomes king. He exposes the boyars greed and how they treated the gipsy slaves like Rasvan. Razvan existed in reality but Hasdeu wrote a romanticised drama. And if you think Moldova it's weird for having a real gipsy king, wait until you hear that Moldova got it's name from a dog name . A shedog called Molda that drowned in a river while hunting an auroch. The river got named Molda after the shedog name and ultimately the name of the country became Moldova after the river.

[@mimisor66]

It's Junimea, not Juminea! Accent on the second sillable. Interesting presentation. Now, I am not totally knowledgeable about Dacopatic theory, but the Latin is a Dacian language theory goes like this: the Trojans were related to the Thrachians, so when Eneas fled Troy and settled in what was to become Rome, he brought there this Thracian related language that was to become Latin. Unfortunately, as nobody has any idea how Thracian sounded like, nobody can prove it is right or wrong.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Wales also has a Troy origin story. Many nations do this. Thank you for watching.

[@catalinmarius3985]

@@BenLlywelyn Hi, Ben! Thank you for your videos and especially the videos on the Dacian language, it's hard to find accurate Dacian sources if you're interested in the subject but without all the Dacopathia stuff. About your video specifically, I would like you to address another Dacopathia issue: The Goths were the Getae. Iordanes in his book "Getica" describe Decebalus and Burebista as the ancestors of the Goths, basically saying that the Goths were not actually Germanic but Dacians, Getae -> Gothic. Most modern sources say this was a mistake made by Iordanes, Dacopathia doesn't believe so, so please disprove this as well. Also, there is a Romanian channel named "Mythologica" which talks about the Dacians and disproves the Dacopathia ideas at the same time, thanks to people like him we can learn the history of Dacia without all the mumbo-jumbo, you might be interested in making a collab with him. I know that it's not within the scope of this video, but while Romania invaded Transylvania is technically correct, the people there wanted to be invaded. It was an absolute Romanian majority and the Romanians in Transylvania voted to unite with Romania on 1 December 1918, and even before the Romanian army was in Transylvania they told the Budapest government that the Hungarian government cannot represent the Romanian nation. Even the Germans (although this is possibly out of pressure) of Transylvania voted to become sparate from Hungary and unite with Romania in 1919. This was 1 year before Trianon. So every nationality in Transylvania except Hungarians wanted out of Hungary, this is mostly because of the magyarization policies. You could say it was more of a union than a military conquest, the Romanian Transylvanians imposed requirements on the Bucharest government for a union, including a new constitution and a parliment that will represent all regions. Thank you for your videos! The channel is @MythologicaDelmo , it has a green dragon on a white background.

[@cristibrad6742]

@@BenLlywelyn if it helps, try pronouncing romanian words like italian and you would be correct almost always. ş = sh ; ț = tz ; and the rest ( î , â and ă just vocalise as i and a for simplicity) There you go, the people on the street can understand you should you ever visit :)

[@cristibrad6742]

@@catalinmarius3985 only hungarians really wanted to live in Hungary at the time, and historically not even them. Word on the street is that during Avram Iancu's peasant revolt even the hungrarian peasants joined in as the revolt was against the hungarin gentry that was harsh even to their hungarian peasants. Name 1 neighboring nation that is glad to have Hungary as a neighbor (the hungarians deserve to have their nation but they always picked fights or trolled their neighbors). They were the first to desert from the frontline when the empire was crumbling even tough after aurstrians they were the most favored nationality since the late emperor made mind boggling concessions to them.

[@UlpianHeritor]

Troy may not even have existed. and Thracians were not related to Trojans. Aeneas did not found Rome, because there was never an Aeneas nor a Troy. The Trojan war (the Iliad) is a Greek Myth written by one man, it's not real history. And the story of Aeneas is fiction written by a Roman poet (Virgil) for a Roman theatrical play. To say that Latin came from Thracian, or to suggest that Thracians founded Rome is just as insane as saying animals can speak because they do so in Orwell's Animal Farm.

[@maxavail]

It's actually Junimea, not Juminea. From the word "June" = Youngster, based in Latin "juvenis".

[@BenLlywelyn]

Yes.

[@MootingInsanity]

This is pretty normal stuff for Balkania, but fun nonetheless

[@kituluipitu1644]

It seems you need a lot of help to compile such a vast amount of information from different Romanian-Dacian archives and personalities as well as present day contemporary sources, and in lieu of the fact of having many, many videos that also necessitate time and research , that I have come to wonder whether there is a network of people helping you in order to compile a specific narrative of sorts regarding political or other such type agenda. Quite strange… just wondering ? p.s. - I clicked a thumbs up on your video but it’s likely not for the reason you think.

[@BenLlywelyn]

A network of people helping me to create videos would be great. I can pay with onions.

[@dorneanudoru]

Gumelnița, Cucuteni, Vinča-Turdas culture civilization was really from 5000 yrs BC and Tartaria tablets are not the only ones that prove the existence of the Proto alphabet in East Europe. And surprise they used swastika or Yin-Yang symbols in their culture before Indians and Chinese symbols. The led tablets contain details unknown at their discovery time as for example the map of Sarmisegetuza which wasn't discovered yet or the names of Dacian kings and genealogy or Dacian military campaigns, unknown at that time. B.P. Hasdeu was a genius, but he didn't know all that details because those doesn't exist at that time but was discovered much later. If Dacia wasn't important for romans why they build Traian Column? Why they placed Dacian warriors on Constantine arch after 300 years or on the Regalianus ones, who surprise was a Dacian descent? Why the Hungarians need to redo the Dacian empire in the XVI century (of course under their ruling, even if they are not with European origins) but was made by a Romanian named by the Europeans the Malus Dacus, Mihai Viteazul? Of course, that is idealized the cult and history of the Dacians in the same way the Brits are idealizing the cult of the Celts, or Bulgarians the cult of the Thracians (in the Plovdiv area all Bulgarians considered themselves pure Thracians even if they speak Bulgarian), or the Magyars the cult of Huns? The Greeks doesn't consider that they are the descendants of the old Gods? To don't speak about Jews or Muslims. Everybody is idealizing.

[@BenLlywelyn]

None of those open ended questions prove Romanian comes from Dacian Language or that Dacia had some kind of ancient empire for which their is no proof or logic other than a few people's opinions and feelings.

[@dorneanudoru]

@@BenLlywelyn ,of course. This theory is based on the story of the Romans who come in Dacia and was "welcomed" by Dacians who tried to speak cult Latin and the romans told them to speak in Dacian language because they understand them. But this is a legend. For example, the roman poet Ovidiu who was exiled to Tomis (present day Constanta) said that he composed poems in the Getae language to be understood by them because they were the majoritarian population there and they didn't understand Latin language. Is a huge lost for historians and linguists that those poems disappeared.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynPlovdiv, right in the center of Bulgaria and close to Sofia, it's 8000 years old. Oldest cities in Europe. Athena, Greeks lie it's old and was founded by Egyptians. So what these Greeks did was to steal thracian history and claim it as their own. Romania has very old civilisation though not as advanced as Bulgaria. One bank of the Danube gave birth to the Latin language and the other bank to the Bulgarian, Greek and Slavic. Those north macedonians that Greeks hate are the real ancient thracians genetically because north Macedonia it's the most mountainous country in the world. They have the most mountain peaks per citizen. Soo isolated by the mountains. And as far as empires go, other than Alexander the Great the thracian who his father conquered Athena, the thracian world isn't that greedy like the Roman's. We focused on culture, spreading religion and things like that, not to get wealthy and steal like the Roman's or the new empires. Thrace, with Ulfillas, has spread Christianity and teached the germanics to write, has taught the slavs to write, gave them religion and the Slavic alphabet. We are doom of the world type of people but at the same time honest and not greedy. That's why we are poor compared to the more westerner Europeans.

[@justgold1]

0:35 Why are they so angry lol

[@UlpianHeritor]

Flat earthers get angry when you tell them the world is round. It goes against their beliefs

[@Redhand1949]

And to think, prior to listening to this, that I believed "Dacia" was merely an a Thracian-like kingdom that sprung up on the northern border of the Roman Empire where Romania now is, ruled by an aggressive, land-hungry king called Decabalus, who delighted in stealing border lands from the Romans and humiliating Emperor Domitian. He then tried the same thing with Emperor Trajan, until the latter said, "We need a more permanewnt solution to our problem," launched the Second Dacian War, and destroyed Dacabalus and Dacia completely, subduing the territory and "Romanizing " it until: the inhabitants thought of themselves as "Roman" (kind of like the Gauls after Julius Caesar) and adopted a form of Latin that became the exotic Romance language called Romanian. Instead, this 19th Century pseudo-history/mythology takes root, with about as much factual validity as the Book of Mormon in the Americas. And yet, people believe it, because they want to. Mind you, I'm not saying that people shouldn't enjoy their national and ethnic myths, but this really IS over the top.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The Book of Mormon comparison is highly amusing.

[@Beta-XYZ]

So what we can’t read old Greek or other language that could give us some sense about past.

[@stefanrusu2067]

Hi Ben! Why do you care about part of the world? The Western doesn't really care about it. Also, if you try to disprove something please come forward with your own discoveries that proves the contrary. Reading some widely available books is not enough. Just because something is unbelievable (or crazy) doesn't mean it's (entirely) false.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Rome invaded Dacia and took out its rulers. Like Gaul, like Greece, like the Alps, like Carthage. There's nothing to discover.

[@JB-wh9ux]

@@BenLlywelynNothing left to discover…? How can you assert that? Things are discovered all the time which force us to change our perspective.

[@lec9]

​@@BenLlywelyn Rome conquered around a quarter of the lands, it's gold and silver mines were v imp to the empire ... the religious centre at SarmiseGetuza and other imp towns forts. Romans built defensive lines some of up to 18, 19 defensive systems from mounds, trenches, palisade walls, fortified walls and castre roman In 165 years of occupation, if I'm not wrong I believe the Romans had around or over 150 battles with the help of other getae tribe alliances, getae would've spread all the way into the Russian plains and similar ethnic tribes dolichocephalic including up the north goths( Scandinavian DNA find out it's traced back to the black sea region 1.5-2.5k BC ) these are Scandinavian studies not dacopathy ,😉

[@UlpianHeritor]

@@lec9 "Rome conquered around a quarter of the lands" dacopathic fabrication. Where is your proof? Why didn't Dacia survive as a state if Rome had conquered only 1/4 of it?

[@lec9]

@@UlpianHeritor the same distinct population was extended all the way into the nowadays Baltic states to the Russian plains, it correlated in antiquity, and that's why in the second world war there were mapped still pockets and pockets of romanian Moldavian dialect culture tradition in the Ballcans region to Croatia Cehia Slovacia Hungary Polond, to dniper Ucraine and further down into the Russian states, some of them were survivors of transferred populations to new lands and labour camps during 1920-1941 and survived as tight communities, as they always did for years

[@naturalianoss]

as far as I know the dacian kingdom and dacian people were spread on a larger area than of todays romania but unlike others we aren't going to invade those territories based on historic claims and also bomb their children , so our dacopathy is just an innocent feeling that keep some of us grounded and connected to ancient roots and this is a thing that is found everywhere in the world.

[@BenLlywelyn]

No need to mention bombing kids here. Calm down.

[@naturalianoss]

peace be with you

[@naturalianoss]

peace be with you@@BenLlywelyn

[@theMOCmaster]

Does Thracomania exist in Bulgaria?

[@BenLlywelyn]

Good question! The short answer is - Yes, but due to Bulgars having other Slavs near by, Serbs, Ukrainians, etc., it is not needed to prop up their cultural heritage and so it is much less of a thing.

[@mihaiilie8808]

It exists and it's not less than ours. Plovdiv is the oldest city of Europe. The continent Europe itself it's named after the river Marica( Evros). Marica is the older name tho. In Bulgaria they have much more respect for the ancients than Romanians and it can be seen in how they treat their archeological sites, compared to Romania.

[@SGLMedia]

Have you read Radu Cinamar's books? You got into the rabbit hole, so you will find it interesting at least. Also, there's almost no archeological evidence predating Burebista, who was known to the world because he had to burn vineyards, almost all men being alcoholic, his importance was that he managed to unite the getic tribes and became a conqueror.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Recorded history must start somewhere I suppose. Burning vineyards! I suppose he's not celebrated in France.

[@SGLMedia]

@@BenLlywelyn I guess not, lol. There is another story, not confirmed, but it seems that after that , people started bringing vine races from France into the area, and another theory says that Napoleon , when they had some vine deseases, took romanian vines to repopulate French vineyards.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Burebista is recent, hundreds of years before there were others just as famous, like Dromichaete.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynHe did a good thing burning the vines because people here were much more wine drinkers than the french. Just look at Molfova how tiny it is and its at the top countries making vine, competing against Australia and France. If you compare the size of Moldova with Australia you get the idea that vine is huge there. And also moldovans are the most heavy drinkers of alcohol in the world ( not russians, germans actually drink more than russians). 25% of population of Moldova dies from alcohol and its the reason why many countries of europe didnt got muslim because the moldovans stopped them. Muslims like dacians because of Burebista burning vines. And as a dacopat myself i uprooted 95% of my vines and planted trees in there place 😂. Nut trees that cant produce alcohol.

[@gigizismangusta]

When your method is wrong then the result you espect wil be wrong. Talking about dacians you must start way before roman Empire , wich formed by concuering the old peacefull but sedentary ( mesning having roots and continuitate on that land ) populations as the etrusc or dacian or basque (oh wait , basques where never really concuered, nor the free dacians from east of Carpathians) . So you can’t pretend to be realistic when consider that all that dacians had is due to romans , and further pretend when it comes to language that all the similarities between dacian and latin comes from latin and the rest is slavic or turkish influences that migrarea way later. Dacian society existe before romans and did not born oce the encounter. I sugest to get more information over the pelasgian society and the garnish that with some studies on paleogenetics

[@cristibrad6742]

and the dacians at the time were not living in straw huts like some spew nonsense, the Romans hit Szarmiszegetuza, the capital and stopped there as that was the last yolo moment of the empire. The romans had to develope better helmets, that crossguard, because of the dacian falx so by no means was Dacia weak and defenseless, lacking tradition even against Rome. And those carpathian mountains are still a real obstacle in the 21st century without proper infrastructure so it was unrealistic of the romans to just go and wipe the rest of the dacians when they already took the most developed land.

[@akuleet6029]

And even withing the frames of the Roman empire; the story starts in 6 AD when the Getae south of the Danube were incorporated into the new province of Moesia.

[@UlpianHeritor]

The Dacian language is extinct. What similarity between Dacian and Latin? That is mindless speculation.

[@catalinmarius3985]

Hi, Ben! Thank you for your videos and especially the videos on the Dacian language, it's hard to find accurate Dacian sources if you're interested in the subject but without all the Dacopathia stuff. About your video specifically, I would like you to address another Dacopathia issue: The Goths were the Getae. Iordanes in his book "Getica" describe Decebalus and Burebista as the ancestors of the Goths, basically saying that the Goths were not actually Germanic but Dacians, Getae -> Gothic. Most modern sources say this was a mistake made by Iordanes, Dacopathia doesn't believe so, so please disprove this as well. Also, there is a Romanian channel named "Mythologica" which talks about the Dacians and disproves the Dacopathia ideas at the same time, thanks to people like him we can learn the history of Dacia without all the mumbo-jumbo, you might be interested in making a collab with him. I know that it's not within the scope of this video, but while Romania invaded Transylvania is technically correct, the people there wanted to be invaded. It was an absolute Romanian majority and the Romanians in Transylvania voted to unite with Romania on 1 December 1918, and even before the Romanian army was in Transylvania they told the Budapest government that the Hungarian government cannot represent the Romanian nation. Even the Germans (although this is possibly out of pressure) of Transylvania voted to become sparate from Hungary and unite with Romania in 1919. This was 1 year before Trianon. So every nationality in Transylvania except Hungarians wanted out of Hungary, this is mostly because of the magyarization policies. You could say it was more of a union than a military conquest, the Romanian Transylvanians imposed requirements on the Bucharest government for a union, including a new constitution and a parliment that will represent all regions. Thank you for your videos! EDIT: The channel is @MythologicaDelmo , it has a green dragon on a white background.

[@elbichoamarillo]

The goths were of course from sweden:)

[@UlpianHeritor]

Yes.Jordanes is infamously known for making historical errors. He confused the Getae with the Goti. Two separate tribes: one Thracian and the other Germanic. Unfortunately, peer reviewing wasn't a thing back in ancient times.

[@catalinmarius3985]

@@elbichoamarillo Dacians from sweden :)

[@catalinmarius3985]

@@UlpianHeritor Yes, Dacopathia says he didn't.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Nice.

[@bogdan78pop]

I have the book Dacia preistorica by Nicolae Densusianu, I've only read parts of it ( it's thicker than the Bible )....i think it was written to make you proud to be Romanian , but being proud for the wrong reasons.....it's not really being proud...!!!

[@constantinpalincas729]

Sir, you miss that part with the dacian ‘s war against the egiptians

[@BenLlywelyn]

Intercontinental Bronze Age missiles?

[@Nicky220]

Du-te băi de-aici...Ai varsat la venin aici că ai putea umple Marea Neagră... Istoria nu se scrie la voi,ci si cu date arheologice,isvoare,etc.Practic ai rezumat toată istoria noastră la teoria conspirației... Poți să indrugi baliverne cât vrei,e canalul tău, însă nu ai dreptul de a-ți bate joc de istoria noastră.Period.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Nu vreau să-mi bat joc de tine. Unghiul era spre grupul mic din România, nu toate.

[@JB-wh9ux]

@@BenLlywelynNu folosi google translate, nu are sens.

[@scorilo6779]

@@BenLlywelyn google translate te saboteaza ,invata sa vorovesti romana ori sa o graiesti ca esti pe langa Shapiro cu crimase de ciudat .

[@scorilo6779]

Inundatii canalele cu asta Hey Ben Why do you keep telling lies , is it in the genes ? Why don't you tell the people the truth about Iasi progrom , that he germans did it cause Moldavia was under german rule?Why don't you tell them this : "JERUSALEM, Aug. 23 (JTA) - The West German government agrees to pay compensation to the families and individuals killed by the Nazis during the pogrom in Iasi, Romania, in June, 1941, Finance Ministry sources revealed today. The agreement also covers the payment of compensation to the heirs of the Jews killed in the death trains in the camps in Iasi. However, the authorities in Bonn declared that they refuse to take responsibility for all cases of persecution of Jews during the Nazi occupation of Romania". Why don't you educate people with the truth , like Transilvania at that moment in time was under Hungarian Nazi ruler Horthy Miklos and they deported jews mand killed romanians to , why don't you tell them that ? Why don't you tell them that Legionary Movement was never convicted in an Tribunal Court as beeing Fascist or Antisemite ( laughable world at this moment in time ) ? Why ? Why don't you tell that Mihai Eminescu was a " Dacopat " ( how you call us ) and not a " Latinopat " ? Why not tell them the truth , that he was born in an old house hos fundation was on an old dacian house ( Fact ) and he knew about it and he was proud of it " ? Why don't you tell him that todays khazarians from high power in Romania try to destroy his work and erase his memory ? So many questions Ben , Ben Shapiro .😉😗 Why don't you tell people and educate them that many of the Fairy tales that are on the internet are khazarian SF operas ,like George Hodorogea , to discredit any true historical discussion about our ancestors , the purpose of these movements being the dilution and destruction of our history and identity . So many Questions Ben , so many . ...................................................................... What's with all the faces you make, do you have a problem, it doesn't look good if you don't ? Last one for now : are you in any way related to Ben Shapiro

[@UlpianHeritor]

Ok nicky. Un alt dacopat care nu stie pe ce lume se afla

[@kunstleart]

In proto-Albanian the word karpe means stony or rocky so the Carpathian Mountains means the Rocky Mountains in the old languages. With Carpi being the ethnonym of the so called 'free Dacians' which would roughly mean the mountain people. The catch is that history records the Daco-Romans moving South and not the Illyrians moving North so despite the Hungarians' and the drinkers of their koolaid attempts to paint the opposite picture the shared vocabulary between Romanian and Albanian it's just as likely to have come from the Dacian language and this one word definitely has in my opinion. Of course the Hungarians will claim Illyrian because if they are to give even an inch in the opposite direction it would be to admit that the Romanian language really is Daco-Roman and that would be existential for them and their deluded views about who was 1st in the territories despite their late arrival. Whenever you read any historical source about Romania that is Hungarian take it with ten pinches of salt is my advice. And let it be clear; the one issue Romanians have with Hungarians is that the Hungarians are constantly looking to minimize our history and heritage. Nothing less, nothing more.

[@akuleet6029]

A good analogy would be having the Irish constantly claim that the Welsh aren't Celtic xd Imagine growing up with such neighbours.

[@walkandcamera]

You must have read some very old books my friend. Nobody serious makes such claims any more. All mainstream Hungarian historians admit that pure-blooded Hungarians were basically the nobility, ie. around 10% of the population in the Kingdom of Hungary. Commoners were all of mixed ethnicity, partially of Dacian origin for sure. Also note that Romanian historians who believe in this "Dacopathy" fiercely deny any relation between Romanians and Albanians.

[@akuleet6029]

@@walkandcamera DNA tests show 12% Illyrian ancestry so the relation is undeniable no matter what anyone says. And the two languages are there to further back it up. As another person already said with the Carpi example though it's just as likely that this shared lexical volume is in fact Dacian.

[@akuleet6029]

Oh lol, it's the exact same comment.

[@akuleet6029]

And also at the opposite pole you got the people that try to use this connection to misrepresent our heritage.

[@olgaroche2929]

Also wil be interesting if you will explain the name Godeanu, the mountain pick called Godeanu! You will get more viewers! Please do study before!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Seems the name of a small village.

[@ionbrad6753]

You probably want lo link the name to English "God". Well, it is rather a slavic influence. In Serbian, "godine" means "years".

[@olgaroche2929]

@@ionbrad6753 mai Ion you have to read more, also you have to learn more Romanian language to make an idea, I don’t speak Slavic….peoples that live now and lived in the past and antiquity around Godeanu , Not Speaking Slavic. I understand Slavic languages replaced all languages around Romania and Moldova, at least not yet! I understood that was possible because they were so many of them…called Slavic migrants migratory people, and they have been accepted on top of older populations! Didn’t happen to Romanian language! Now , so you understand if I understand other Latin languages, I don’t understand Slavic languages at all, except for a couple of words like Sapca, otherwise sounds like Greek to me….

[@ionbrad6753]

@@olgaroche2929 I know Romanian quasi perfectly. I am Romanian. Highly educated.

[@olgaroche2929]

@@ionbrad6753 so you speak and understand Slavic, I don’t! Highly educated in Slavic, ?

[@andrewhammel8218]

Everyone knows that Latin came form Mexico. The Mexicans discovered Spain, who turn, conquered Italy. And we all know that Jesus (HEY-zeus) was also a Mexican. Jeeze!

[@BenLlywelyn]

That puts a new spin on things.

[@christopherellis2663]

24:31 De la Zalmoxis la Genghis-Han. Mircea Eliade. ( trans.1970) Magistralelele tehnologice ale civilizației dacice. _ Andrei Vartic. A very healthy debunk

[@BenLlywelyn]

Mulțumesc pentru că.

[@sarmaticusmalus4699]

A message for all who talk non-sense about real origin of Romanian language. More than 80% of Romanian lexicon cannot explained through Latin language, nor by other neighboring language. Over the years, Romanian etymologies are a terrible mess. Even though about 2500 words were left with unknown origin. Now all kind of authors who have no idea about what historical linguistics means. I explained most of Romanian vocabulary from Proto-Indo-European roots and I demonstrated that almost 5000 words are explained by Indo-European and I solved most of unknown etymologies, also I demonstrated that many Romanian words of "Slavic", "Hungarian", and so on origin are in fact of Thraco-Dacian origin. Recently I published a Etymological Dictionary of Romanian Language. I think it would be a good read for all who talk about Daco-pathy and other such non-senses.

[@ekesandras1481]

so you ARE a dacopath. Sorry, but what you say is just wrong. 99% of Romanian lexicon can be explained through mainly Latin, than Slavic, than Greek, Turkish, Hungarian, German and a lot of French neologisms. The remaining 1% are maybe Dacian.

[@UlpianHeritor]

Another dacopath making a fool out of himself and other Romanians. "Etymological Dictionary of Romanian Language" is Mihai Vinereanu nonsense. Everyone knows Romanian comes from Vulgar Latin, so your efforts are fruitless.

[@gabrielstanciu13]

​@@ekesandras1481dar o spui fără sa fi citit respectiva lucrare

[@ekesandras1481]

@@gabrielstanciu13 care lucrare?

[@kamipersonal2687]

to think romanians killed as many jews as it's stated here is probably an absurdity. romanians have always been very christians... in fact, more than any other nation, 98% of romanians are declared christian orthodox, they're very pious and still keep to traditional values of past...

[@BenLlywelyn]

I did not say many were killed compared to elsewhere.

[@comarius100]

Hey Ben are you doing your investigation from your coach ?

[@BenLlywelyn]

Horse-drawn coach.

[@luxrose1194]

Mr. Ben Llywelyn, what you say in the video means phantasmagoria! Your stories are more conspiratorial and crazy stories than any hackneyed theory I've heard so far. You are definitely more "pat" (more taken) than the Dacopaths!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Pat as in patriotic. Go Wales.

[@cristibrad6742]

about the Orthodox Church implications you mentioned, some extra facts. The church was a strong advocate against the independence war and actively worked against that witch ultimately led to the creation of the still lasting romanian state. They were in the camp against any forms of modernization (that was how orthodoxy mostly differs from catholicism besides minor tweaks to the spiritual side) and very strong advocates against giving lands to peasants and the abolition of serfdom as the church was a big landowner since the people and lords never took it down a peg like in the catholic world. Up to this day, trough communism and democracy alike, the romanian orthodox church is no stranger from controversies that make area 52 and aliens seem like a walk in the park.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Faith only survives if it is partially open to reform and modernity in order to keep its core and traditional values. In my opinion.

[@rose-mariemukarutabana9001]

Thanks for those points about the OC. Like all firmly established institutions, it had become somewhat ossified or chrystallised, and as such it could only defend vested interests and resist change. A classic attitude. Conservatism is good after a period of turmoil (so that useful traditions survive the throw-the-baby-with-the bath-water tendency of all major changes, but after a while, conservatism becomes anti-progress and needs to be broken... Unfortunately, what was then progress at one time becomes in its turn ossified conservatism, Human life is fated to suffer those topsy-turvy episodes... I expect the Orthodox faith will find a proper place in a fresh form in those lands - eventually...

[@a.s.7936]

based

[@carteunu467]

Min 5.10 ORADEA CITY

[@cristibrad6742]

About the conspiracy theorists, romanians use the therm dacomania as you said, but with the implied conotation of dacomaniacs :)) and not just over-enthusiasts.

[@UlpianHeritor]

Not just Dacomania but Protochronism and Dacopathy are also terms used to describe these twisted views.

[@shiaro9991]

Saying latin is actually dacian leanguage is like native americans claiming that english leanguage was theyr leanguage and brittish took it and used it and refused to recognize english is actually a native american language 😂

[@ovbaliban1116]

So if Dacians disappear, what should we understand that some Roman warriors were sent to do genocide? and that's what Romanians are now? Another land carries the name of someone else while the origin changed their name?

[@BenLlywelyn]

If 100,000 people come from 1 country, they do not all come for the same reasons. Each of those Romans have his or her own story.

[@danamunteanu3866]

Your point of view is to offence us ,the Romanians. We are proud of our dacian origins whatever you say. In our country we speak the same language, that means we can understand each other no matter what corner of the country we are. This can be done because a long period of time the Dacians lived here. Look Italy or even England,where a guy from North can not understand a guy from South. In Romania, is not the same. This is Dacopathy ? You speak against us ,shame on you.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I don' t.

[@elbichoamarillo]

I must thank you and thank you a lot - I thought the turkish history thesis and sun language theory were entertaining but this is just as good - but as a swede I have to side with Olaus Rudbeck and declare that swedish was the first language spoken by humans.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Don't tell that to the Norwegians! Thank you for watching.

[@elbichoamarillo]

Excellent acting as well - keep the good work up!@@BenLlywelyn

[@akuleet6029]

Wait until you get into what the Hungarians have to offer xd Magyars in America before Columbus, they were the Sumerians, they were the Etruscans, etc.

[@AnubisMRM]

As a Romanian, I have to say that this video is so out there that not even I heard about all of this nonsesnse. I don't know what exactly is the purpose of this video other than a cheap clickbait. If I wanted to learn more about this topic, I would have to do quite a bit of digging on conspiracy websites. Most Romanians start laughing when they hear such fairy tales about ancient civilizations, the caves under the Sphynx and the lost Dacian empire in Japan (wtf?).

[@elbichoamarillo]

@@akuleet6029 åhhh - in turkey they founded banks like sumer bank and hittitebank just because of similar theories - you dont know where I can get info om magarymania?

[@klaudius3118]

When you do this kind of videos you should do alot of research and from seeing this i guess you haven't done so...come to think about it i dunno exactly what this video was supposed to show exactly there is no evidence in what you say and what is the conspiracy in what you presented ? nor do i see the purpose of this video. Many of the things you said about more recent history is factual wrong so how am i gona take the rest serious?

[@BenLlywelyn]

That's fine. The conspiracy is people think 'real Romanian History' is being hidden from them and that Dacia somehow had a vast empire and that Romanian Language is actually Dacian, which is utter nonsense. If you don't want to take it seriously, why waste your life's minutes?

[@klaudius3118]

@@BenLlywelyn i am taking it serious since it's about my ancestors and country history the problem is you don't seem to take it serious and about the conspiracy part i'm not saying that is the truth bcs i don't know nobody knows for sure but you talk like you do so let me ask you this how do you know that it's not ? How would you know since you have no evidence ?

[@UlpianHeritor]

@@klaudius3118 Sorry, but you are talking nonsense. There is plenty of evidence which supports the fact that Romanian is a romance language that comes from Vulgar Latin. If you disagree, the onus is on you to prove that Romanian comes from Dacian. The issue is that you can't, because you have no evidence.

[@kamipersonal2687]

Junimea, 1863.

[@walterdorling1601]

Hallo, I'm a 70 years old saxon, born in Romania, I lived 30 years there and know history and languages. Because I like Your content, please consider my remarks: a spanish linguist, woman write a book" we do not come from latin".I saw on KZbin the book presentation on: Daniel Roxin blog. There I saw also other authors speaking about this topic. I consider the Latin origin is a fake, political lie, like Corona-pandemie, climate-hysteria...