The Gothic Migrations, why did the Goths go to Spain?

[@BenLlywelyn]

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[@azamatt3018]

When i was a goth i got arrested for being a vandal.😂

[@christopherellis2663]

😂that was very feral of you.

[@carlossaraiva8213]

History nerd joke 😅😅

[@johndavis6119]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

If your name is Alan you get the trifecta

[@jboss1073]

I love the way you edit your videos. It is very impactful.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you.

[@JohnBurman-l2l]

I would rate your depth of research coupled with interpretaion of events about the best I've come across on the tube.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you very much.

[@michaelhalsall5684]

Brilliantly well researched video. A whole new lesson in history for me. Thanks!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you for taking the time to watch.

[@mango2005]

I think the Goths learned a lot of about cavalry tactics from the Huns, which they used to great affect against the Romans at Adrianople.

[@BenLlywelyn]

It is possible.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Thats right and i think the visigoths were quite friendly with the huns because they adopted the elongated heads from the huns like the queen from Buzau. And if you look in Toulouse France, until recently, people there had elongated heads and was called Toulouse deformity. Those are the visigoths with hunnic ideas.

[@nikkijubilant]

Hello Ben, stupendous video. At 1:17 the words brigade and brigadier come to mind

[@BenLlywelyn]

Those words are indeed related - I think. Thank you for watching.

[@hydnars]

Just some small, helpful advice about Spanish: whenever you see a vowel with a tilde (accent mark), that is the syllable you are supposed to stress. for example, the word you used, "látigo", you would pronounce LAH-tee-goh. Otherwise, very good content, cheers.

[@tatysantos4448]

Hola Ben ...una buena historia ..contada estupendamente ...espero con ansia el video que hables de los visigodos en España.... gracias por el video un abrazo ....

[@joselugo4536]

Alegadamente Alfonso el Sabio entendía que los visigodos no eran germánicos pero originalmente un pueblo báltico como los actuales lituanos.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Gracias por ver el vídeo. Espero leer más sobre el Reino Visigodo.

[@thebeststoryevertold]

A lot of work went into this. Nice.

[@mihaeladesaga2518]

I Llove your videos Dr Llylwelyn. Very well documented.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you kindly.

[@adriansparlac8517]

Well....in your material Ben, you present several maps and at 7:44 you have one where it shows where the Goths were located. But that land used to belong to the Getae. Cesar wrote that western borders of the Getae were from the mountain side of Hercynian forest to the west as far as Tyragetae. Strabo and Ptolemy say that too and according to Tacitus, Dacia was bordering Germania. Ptolemy also said that Dacians were also on upper Vistula up to Baltic sea. During the Roman empire, under the name of Sarmats were known all the Scythian peoples which were a Thracian as well and all were speaking the same language as the Getae according to Stephanus Byzantinus. Jan Dlugosz writes that when the first Slavs came in those territories they encountered an older population there that was speaking a Romanic language but different than Latin. About the same language but spoken also in northern Germania we know from Suetonius and Cassius Dio so Jordanes might be right after all when he writes that the Goths were the same peoples as the Getae. Even the names of the Goth kings: Roderic, Alaric, Theodoric, were old names which derive from the land which now is Romania...Roderică, Alarică, Tudorică. Those names got germanized because they could not pronounce letter ,,ă'' so it was easier to leave it out. Even Isidore of Seville writes that people of the Goths is a very ancient one and is deriving directly from ancient Getae and Scythian people that despise death and praise the wounds.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Except. We know the Goths migrated over a long time period before being where the Getae were - which means we also have archaeology showing these were not the same people.

[@adriansparlac8517]

Agree, there are indeed but you see some scholars say the Goths come from Scandinavia. Their number was not so big compared to the ones from the regions I mentioned in my previous comment so is less likely to sack the Roman empire and conquer Europe. Even today Scandinavians are not numerous at all after all these centuries. Goths are also called in Scandinavia, Geats. If the Getae went up to Baltic regions and we know the sea sometimes freeze during the winter, what would stop them to set up a colony there as well? Carolus Lundius is writing about that. Also if you look at the name of the Gothic kings you will see most of them and most famous ones having Carpatho - Danubian origin and some of them Germanic which proves they worked together. So the origin of the Goths (also Geats) as descendants of the Getae is more plausible. Overall your material is good.@@BenLlywelyn

[@olgaroche2929]

@@adriansparlac8517and after all Jordanes wrote a short version of the original history of Goths: De Getica after Cassiodorus! So both of them were confused? Less likely! Also he most likely used the same title: De Getica…. If he wrote the short version why he will change the title… If will find one day the Cassiodorus version will have clarification! And…if the Thracians were the most numerous by Herodotus, makes more sense! Like Thracian tribe Dardanoi were called Trojans, many tribes of Thracians called different in different geographical regions, all still being Thracians, like Getae and Goths.

[@adriansparlac8517]

Yes Olga, your observations are correct and I am glad there are people like you. There are so many out there that are not taking the sources I gave into consideration, that makes me wonder, what's wrong with this people because they are not seeking the truth about the past but they are showing their side of the story which seems to be dictated by the ones who are after the leveling of national conscience of countries by altering their history@@olgaroche2929

[@daMacadamBlob]

What you said about Germany letting 1 million people in applies more to Sweden in the current context, they accepted hundreds of thousands in, much more than the country’s real capacity, leading to unprecedented riots and gang violence due to scarcity in jobs and opportunities

[@BenLlywelyn]

Public opinion is shifting.

[@mihaiilie8808]

I have a syrian friend in Sweden, immigrant, that learned the language( altough he doesnt even know english) and got citizenship. He told me he is amazed how Sweden takes any refugees from Syria and gives them 800 euro a month, housing and free food until they learn the language. Wich can never happen because the immigrants know this and some dont learn on purpose. Some were Alquaeda and Isis wounded and recovered people, with gunshots marks on them. While we in Romania work like slaves for 500 euro and pay the food, bills and housing from them. 😂

[@shawnmiller3015]

Love your videos You have a soothing voice with s as n excellent grad of language keep at it young man…:)

[@BenLlywelyn]

Hey I will take 'young man' as long as I can get! Thanks.

[@christopherellis2663]

I truly enjoyed this

[@BenLlywelyn]

Very nice. Glad you enjoyed it! Taking note.

[@leojson7351]

Im quite impressed by your research and the information. I have 2 questions: do you have any reference to the Gothic migration and contacts with the Scythians. And when will you follow up this video with the Ostrogoths. A third question: what happened to Fritigern?

[@BenLlywelyn]

Written records with Goths and Scythians are near non-existent. We have archaeology and Roman wrintings. An Ostrogothic video might be a good one. Fritigern? It is uncertain what was his fate.

[@ThisZionist]

How long did it take you to make this video?

[@BenLlywelyn]

A week or so.

[@LittleImpaler]

Ben, can you make video where Romania get their style of buildings.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Would need to read a lot about architecture!

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

I would live to hear about the Alans. How much did they leave in the way of genetics or linguistics?

[@orasinias]

It is all wrong, my friend. The Vandals' migration was for religious reasons. That is what resulted in the death of Augustine. Jewish kingdoms, the Christian Donatist church, the Trinity church, and the Arius religion were all destroyed in Algeria and North Africa. Algerians are a mixed-race people of Arabs and migrants from Asia, Europe, and Africa. Religion brought them together. In other words, the rise of Islam was the actual rise of the Vandals. Unfortunately, neither the Germans who praised the Vandals nor the Franks who hated them seem to have the true history of the Vandals. The Alans were Persians who settled in Algeria. Persians migrated to Algeria in two waves: the first time during the Phoenician era and the second time during the Vandals' era. You may not be aware of Abd al-Rahman ibn Rustam, who was the king of the Rustamids in Algeria from 740 to 980. If you are Persian, you should be familiar with this name, which is commonly used in Algeria.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Good idea.

[@lunadeargint540]

excellent!

[@mihaiilie8808]

Suebi first mention in history is when Caesar beated Ariovistus. Ariovistus was a neigbour of the dacians and wanted to become an ally of Burebista( wich was of concern for the Roman's).

[@BenLlywelyn]

They travelled far.

[@lughskywalker]

I’m enjoying some of these Dacian/Thracian comments, it’s incredible to witness. It’s literally just the we wuz kangs meme.

[@mihaiilie8808]

That's how the Roman's and Greeks would feel but not the humble dacians. We actually let them to steal our history,, officially,,.( It's more like that we borrowed our history.) But they are soo ignorant and mean towards our history. You show whole Romania map and write Huns on it, you will for sure get your ass kicked😂

[@ds-on4sm]

​@@mihaiilie8808They should be glad we don't make videos exposing all the history and identity theft. Starting with Greece and Germany.. That would be a huge meme! About the huns. Nothing to be upset about here. They were Thracians too. Former massagetae or Moesi/Getae, also Royal Scythians. Attila was from the Bulgarian Dulo clan. Later Asparuh was from the same lineage. All were Thracians but were attempted to be made turks. So the people who destroyed the Roman empire were the people who were oppressed.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@ds-on4smGreeks translate a river name into their language, Buzau, they call it Musaios ( they didn't had the letter Z of the dacians) and then, if they like the story, they say that's a Greek river because they name it and they will make the dacians Greeks 😂. Germanics on the other hand I don't think they are thieves like the Greeks. They are just really low educated on the matter, they romanticize history and it's actually good for them if we help them to know their history.

[@ds-on4sm]

@@mihaiilie8808Exactly, agree with you. I think people should be happy we help them. Neither Bulgarians, Romanians, Germans or Nordics want fake history.

[@LittleImpaler]

Please do a video on Dacia and Dacians.

[@BenLlywelyn]

See my video on the Dacian Language.

[@akuleet6029]

The sense I got while studying the Gothic and Dacian related history is that they did mix in parallel with the Roman occupation in the unconquered Dacian territories. Nicolò Zeno's work (On the Origin of the Barbarians - Venice 1557 AD) has a few quotes of Gothic kings which seem to identify Diurpaneus (Decebal's father) as one of their own also; if authentic the phenomenon of Goths identifying with Getae wouldn't be unique to Jordanes. And let's not forget that emperor Caracalla enacted memoria damnatio against the use the Getic derivatives (Geta; Getic; Gets; etc.) which was to be punished by death, it's probably a safe bet to conclude that all the Getae of the Empire began identifying as Goths after that point so rather than the Goths identifying with the Getae in this case it's more probable that the Getae identified as Goths. And I don't remember by which ancient historian it was given but there's a quote about the Goths being the most famous among the barbarians which led to the Romans calling the majority of them as such regardless of their actual affiliation. Then there's also that thing which I mentioned on a previous video about the Romanian Calus dance and the English Morris dance being very similar down to the traditional clothing; which the Dacians might've brought to England while the Goths are credited with bringing it to Spain.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Do you expect that he heard of Nicolo Zeno or Carlo Troya? They are Italian historians wich say clearly the visigoths that sacked Rome are dacians. Iordanes says the goths from Gotland are the getae from Dacia. And the morons got it that Gotland goths are the ancestors of the much more ancient getae. Just look at the visigoth plate from Buzau and you will see they cultivated vineyards. Germanics and especially the ones from Sweden didn't had vineyard. Alaric was buried under a river wich is the most dacian thing to do, like Decebal buried his treasure under a river. The visigoths are the getae dacians as Iordanes says multiple times and with copious amount of explanations.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Stillicho poet Claudius names the visigoths getae in his poems too. Getae and Dacia is the same name for the same people, geto Dacia.

[@akuleet6029]

@@mihaiilie8808 Ben did in fact cover a lot of the info presented by Nicolo Zeno regardless of just how he gathered that information. And as if the Thracians weren't enough there's also the theory according to which the Dacians and the Getae have parallels in the Dahae and the Masagetae so he's not wrong in the slightest to say that they were different people both ways, imo the conversation should be about a potential admixture rather which i think is very likely. So personally I don't agree with neither the statement that they were the one and the same neither with the statement that they were different and that's all there ever was to the story.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@akuleet6029 I'm not racist but these germanics steal our geto dacian history because they have none. Germanics were ducated by the dacian visigoths and converted to arianism, and now they claim the getae dacians were a germanic coulture. This is something that Hitler would do and he did in fact digged the river in Italy to search Alaric tomb. Just Immagine Alaric was buried under a river like Decebal buried his treasure. That's the most dacian thing to do. No germanic tribe has this under river burial.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I think any incoming dominant group would influence a conquered kingdom, yes.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Ben you and Masaman are my favorite content folks.. id love you guys to do a collaboration. Probably not happening but ine can dream.

[@BenLlywelyn]

I saved one of his videos to watch later.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@BenLlywelyn oh good, I'm glad we're all on the same page. You and him are just about the the only people on yt I don't feel the need to quadruple check if I hear a fact I like.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Ben, you do intentionally channel the great Rod Serling correct? Im not imagining that am i? Hes a personal hero btw

[@BenLlywelyn]

You are the 4th person to of said that. He was Jewish and my height and from areas parts of my Grandmother's line had been. I need a DNA test to see if we are related.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@BenLlywelyn for the record it's a good thing. I think Rod Serling was one of the coolest cats to have ever walked the skin of the earth.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@BenLlywelyn BEN THIS IS KIND OF A LONG POST I REALIZE BUT READ IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING it's not so much the looks. It's your way of presenting that brings rod Serling to mind but it hit me who you remind me of..... NOkay this will sound odd but I truly mean it as a huge compliment. My wife died a few years ago but she had an autistic foster brother, he wanted to change his name to Caoimhin and that's the name on my birth certificate although my mother changed it to plain old Kevin when I started school. I was way too early on the Irish name wave.. Anyways my wife's biological brother (long before we were married)was my friend and this was his foster brother (who strangely was biological brother to one of my foster sisters. Crazy right)who used to have a crippling speech disorder.He wanted to be known as Caoimhin and I explained that i used to be Caoimhin. He wrote up this insane calligraphied form dictating how we would exchange names. I knew nothing about autism and I still know less than I should but I can say this he was the interesting kind of autistic. Ok long story he was obsessed with Celts and I spoke some Gaeilge from my grandmother. I actually tried to teach him some and DUDE... it's not an easy language to speak, like phonetically I mean but I recorded him and played it to a laborer I worked with who was fluent, from a Gaeltacht and he was like "perfect" okay long story I know but he pretty much Mastered every Celtic language. His speech therapist was dating a guy that taught at Stone Hill college and they had a Celtic studies program. This is almost 30 years ago and her brother died of a disease that wasn't his fault, but here's my point... when he would speak a Celtic language or about Celtic history he would talk in this extremely engaging way. , not stutter at all and it was like captivating. If he could have gotten past the autism hump, (again thirty years ago) he'd have been a fuckin killer teacher. KZbin came to late BUT... He reminds me of you. I want to hear the next sentence that you're about to say. Slightly offbeat mannerisms but perfect for the medium. It took me a minute but yeah, that's why you clicked with me initially I think. So Me, Sam my wife, her biological brother Sean, her and his foster brother Carlos/Caoimhin and then my foster sister and the biological sister of C/C, Marisol. The insane thing is I'm the only one alive. I realize this could be mistaken for a dig but it's the polar opposite. Have you ever listened to your country woman Cate LeBon? If not give "Are you with me now" killer song

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Next cat i adopt us 100% getting named Catwalda. I already have an Uhtred and a turtle named Clovis, but thats more because i like Bernard Cornwell and Saki.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Brilliant name for a cat.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@BenLlywelyn thankee

[@zapre2284]

26.50 ...Why is this point always so difficult to explain to people without them getting hysterical

[@BenLlywelyn]

Fair.

[@johndavis6119]

One of my ancestors was a Goth or an Ostrogoth. These ancestors were Franks and she was a noble pushed over to Morocco. She was brought back to marry my 28th or so great grandfather in the 600s more or less.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Long time ago.

[@daMacadamBlob]

How do you know

[@Tradaxta]

The Phil Collins of history and anthropology

[@BenLlywelyn]

Another day in paradise.

[@antoniodesousa9723]

Good piece of research, very interesting. As with most history I find it wise not to read the comments 😂.

[@mihaiilie8808]

This is not the case, and we don't care if you get less educated on the history of our ancestors 😂.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Astute and wise.

[@nestingherit7012]

I don't know if related, but this sounds similar Ilergeta/ Illyrian/gettae Turdulii/ Turda city. Carpetanii/ Carpii Viseu city in Portugal/ Viseu river in Romania.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

The rivers could be, both the Portuguese and Romanian languages came from the same source: Latin.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@bartoszszczepaniak169Not from latin but from vulgar latin thats older than latin 😂. In Portugal they speak Occitan basically, and Occitania is right where the visigoths from Romania settled.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@mihaiilie8808 Vulgar Latin is common Latin, it derived from Classical Latin.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@mihaiilie8808 If anything Occitan's closest relative is Catalan.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@bartoszszczepaniak169 Thats the accepted theory, that vulgar latin evolved from latin. But a lot of things dont match this theory and in reality, vulgar latin is the ancestor of latin. You dont know this if your not a rimance language speaker, but by now its widespread among all latin countries. The DNA, archeological and linguistic studies suport the theory that we dont come from latin. Only ones that get mad on this theory are the slavs, hungarians and the germanics, but those know litle about latin and celtic heritage. Id say to them to better mind their own history instead of ours. We dont troll slavs or germanics history or even hungarians.

[@noelleggett5368]

And here I was thinking it was for the parties, girls and booze in the nightclubs of Ibiza! 😂

[@BenLlywelyn]

One can hope.

[@noelleggett5368]

@@BenLlywelyn ‘Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose!’ 😝

[@ekesandras1481]

The most Eastern Germanic tribe became the most Western one. They migrated from Southern Ukraine all the way to Spain and Portugal. Maybe they were so traumatized from the constant bloodshed in the Eurasian Steppe, that they wanted to get away as far as possible.

[@mihaiilie8808]

They migrated but from south Romania not Ukraine. Ukraine, the portion you mention, it was called Oium and that means literally a pasture. Oium was an empty plane good for grazing and not to live there.

[@mayflowerson1]

While in Rome... Sack it

[@raimundas2204]

There is a book Written by Jūratė Statkute - Rosales interesting theory

[@BenLlywelyn]

Interesting.

[@raimundas2204]

@@BenLlywelyn A world of shadows and crooked mirrors I asked a (religious) propagandist what does it mean to hug an oak tree and is it a sin this one answered me that it r means to embrace the truth did not have the courage to say that it is And this is the answer to why the temples are closed and the windows are stained glass .

[@cbbcbb6803]

Nonwestern people moving into "western" is like "western" people moving to the "Americas" and completely disrupting the "nonwest", don't you think? So, we can say that "Europeans" in the "new world" are the "Pashtun" of the Americas.

[@BenLlywelyn]

No, we are not the Pashtun of the Americas. We came from 30 different countries over the course of centuries, and have built a lasting culture. We are more like the Indo-Europeans of the Americas.

[@atlas567]

​@@BenLlywelynA última e maior migração indo europeia de todos os tempos aconteceu do continente europeu para o continente americano trazendo línguas, genética e cultura indo europeia para todo continente americano

[@kunstleart]

You should make a video about who was 1st in Transylvania :)) Gesta Hungarorum: "For they said that there flowed the most noble spring waters, the Danube and Tisza [Tyscia] and other most noble springs, abounding in good fish, in which land there lived the Slavs [Sclavii], Bulgarians [Bulgarii] and Vlachs [Blachii], and the shepherds of the Romans [pastores Romanorum]. For after the death of King Attila, the Romans said the land of Pannonia was patureland because their flocks grazed in the land of Pannonia. And rightly is the land of Pannonia said to be the pastureland of the Romans, for now too the Romans graze on the goods of Hungary. What else?" Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis: "It should be noted here that between Macedonia and Achaia and in Thessalonica there is a certain great people and spacious who are called Blazi, who once were Romans shepherds, and in Hungary, where the pastures of the Romans were, because the excessive greenness and fertility of the earth were abiding. But at length expelled from thence by the Ufigari, they fled to those parts; ... " The Russian Primary Chronicle Laurentian Text page 62: "(888-898). The Magyars passed by Kiev over the hill now called Hungarian, and on arriving at the Dnieper, they pitched camp. 28 They were nomads like the Polovcians. Coming out of the east, they struggled across the great mountains, and began to fight against the neighboring Vlakhs and Slavs. For the Slavs had settled there first, but the Vlakhs had seized the territory of the Slavs. The Magyars subsequently expelled the Vlakhs, took their land, and settled among the Slavs, whom they reduced to submission. 29 From that time this territory was called Hungarian".

[@BenLlywelyn]

What if I made a video called, Does it matter who was in Transylvania first?

[@kunstleart]

@@BenLlywelyn I would love to see your take on it both ways. When the Hungarians used the pretext of us arriving later to treat us as 2nd rate citizens and inferior people alongside religious undertones even if it objectively doesn't matter as much to us it still matters a lot and given the "academic" effort they constantly dish out to discredit our history, ancestry and heritage they seem to care way more. Their whole identity is a reaction to us being the ancestors of the Romans, built by the writers of the 12th century when they repressed certain historical elements and added their own legends instead, they had no writings of their own before that point.

[@kunstleart]

@@BenLlywelyn Here's a sample of what the Hungarian education system teaches. "A Byzantine author, Kekaumenos writes about the Vlachs in Greece in connection about their origin and way of life in the Strategikon in 1075-1078.[69] According to Kekaumenos, the Vlachs were Dacians and Bessus, who lived near and south from the Danube and the Sava, where the Serbs live now. They feigned loyalty to the Romans while they were constantly attacked and pillaged, therefore, Trajan launched a war, their leader, Decebalus was also killed, and then the Vlachs were scattered in Macedonia, Epirus and Hellas.[70][71] Kekaumenos made the Dacians the ancestors of the Vlachs because he knew about the deceitfulness of the Dacians against the Romans, and according to him the Dacians and Vlachs had a perfectly matching nature, treachery and political unreliability, so much that in his opinion they should not be believed even if the Vlachs take an oath.[70][71] Kekaumenos arbitrarily identified the Vlachs with the Dacians according to the archaizing efforts of his time, because the tendency to refer to later peoples with classical names was common in Byzantium at the time of Kekaumenos.[70][69][71] Kekaumenos also confused the Roman province Dacia Traiana with Dacia Aureliana, and even he placed it further west where it actually was, that is why he mentioned the Serbian territory as the homeland,[69][71] the Bessus tribe was a neighbor of the Roman province Macedonia.[69]" - Vlachs wiki page These are all Hungarian sources. Kakaumenos never mentions Dacia Aureliana; the Diocese of Dacia in Illyricum fits the description on the other hand. The account is a summary of what took place from Trajan's time up to Kekaumenos' time and not the nonsense that the Hungarian "academia" preaches but there it is, sitting on wikipedia just because it got some Hungarian citations, the most biased source there could possibly be as far the subject is concerned. And examples abound i.e. "Trajan annihilated/destroyed the Dacians" when in reality the revolt from the year of the death of emperor Trajan was in essence a 3rd Dacian war.

[@kunstleart]

@@BenLlywelyn Not to mention Roesler's theory which got debunked by Encyclopedia Britannica ages ago but is still treated as the holy grail in Hungary.

[@akuleet6029]

When they were claiming that they were the Estruscans it's more likely to have been in reaction to our Roman roots but the Hun thing maybe not so much, it's just that the Huns they're descended from aren't Attila's Huns as shown by genetic tests but the Magyar conquerors were closely related to the steppe Huns pre-migration so it's not wrong if they claim Hunic ancestry, it's just deceptive how they go about it.

[@philoaviaticus]

Is the name, Guzman, a vestige of "Gothsman?"

[@BenLlywelyn]

Probably, but it is complicated as there is a sound change there. It made mean a metal worker of Gothic origin.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Guzgan means large rat or water rat in romanian. Its a very old word, for sure dacia because of the letter Z. But Guzman could be a Spanish goth man word.

[@ansibarius4633]

@@BenLlywelyn Maybe from giutan, "to pour"? (Of molten metal.)

[@SlaviSokol]

In german Gusseisen means Cast iron Gus in short. Guss - cast, pour. Germans read Guss as z at the end.

[@margina1117]

@@mihaiilie8808 Hidalgo (fijo d'algo) - meaning son of something, can be translated as fijo de d'al godos (son of the Goths) ?

[@mihaiilie8808]

Iordanes cites Cassiodor also that says the getae are the goths. So it's not just Iordanes but Cassiodor also, Isidor of Seville, poet Claudius plus many others. Nobody says the goths are not the getae.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Procopius of Cesareea also says the goths, gepids, visigoths were named Getae in the past.

[@BenLlywelyn]

If an historian's original source ia wrong, and others take from him, then all subsequent in that line are wrong.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Iordanes knew he is Dacian and he mentions Cassiodor us to wich he could study his books for 3 days. Its not like he translated Cassiodor us books. Poet Claudius has nothing to do with Iordanes and same for Procopius. All evidence, all places, the non germanic coulture, points out that the visigoths and gepids are the dacians. Swedish historian Carolus Lundius also says the same, Italian historians like Nicolo Zeno, Carlo Troya too. There is absolutely no doubt that the goths are the geto dacians. But I told you why Romanian academy rejects the visigoths history, because we want to be the friends of Rome and the goths made us look like barbarians that destroyed the european civilisation. With what you learned from me you could have made the best and probably viral history of the goths where everybody would have cursed you including many romanians. This is the case when real history beats even the most crazy conspiration theories. That even conspiration theorists would curse you but I'd fight for the truth regardless of what people say. A day ago a metal detectorist ( a poacher) made fun of me saying he thinks these dacians celts occupied whole Europe. Wich is somehow true as you yourself noted that all the rivers and mountains names are celtic. We are the first europeans,the thracians.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@mihaiilie8808 He did not

[@mihaiilie8808]

The visigoths weren't settle in Moesia but in south east Romania with capital in Pietroasele, Buzau. They raided Moesia from where they kidnaped Ulfillas with his whole family and brought him to Muntenia, south east Romania. Basically Ulfillas wrote the arian Bible in Buzau.

[@BenLlywelyn]

NO.

[@mihaiilie8808]

​​@@BenLlywelynWikipedia says Ulfillas was kidnaped and brought in Muntenia where he wrote the Bible( in Buzau) . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfilas

[@nick-beukan]

@@BenLlywelyn yes mofo. Sava the Goth is well documented, same as Alaric and Musaios, there is another character by the same name that created the Eleusis Mysteries.

[@gheorgheenache7789]

Ilie, „Basically Ulfillas wrote the arian Bible in Buzau.” of corese not! Thar Bible was found in Germany in 17 century.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@gheorgheenache7789The original Ulfillas Bible was written in Buzau. Do you realise the bibles were made into many copies and every priest had one? Copies of these bibles spread to all of Europe. But the original one was made in Buzau because Ulfillas lived in Buzau in the capital of the visigoths. He was kidnaped from Moesia in Bulgaria and brought to Buzau Muntenia to write the Bible.

[@madgringo9263]

THE GOTHS migration from their original Swedish homeland in the Baltic SEA Island of GOTLAND....was one of Great misadventures and suffering. For the GOTHIC Tribes... Until they... CENTURIES LATER and AT the time of the Fall of the Roman Empíre ( 5th,Century a.d.)they reached the Iberian Península. Where they settled and made their VISIGOTHIC KINGDOM OF TOLEDO. Thus making of Hispania an independent Germanic KINGDOM State which comprised the whole of the Iberian Península. To this very day the KINGDOM of Spain claims to be the successor of that VISIGOTHIC KINGDOM OF TOLEDO... HISPANIA GOTTORUM EST..!! (Spain is a GOTHIC KINGDOM.). THE reason why the Spanish Languages aren't so fully Germanic inclined IS due to the fact that on the GOTHS arrival in Hispania they ALREADY spoke Vulgar Latín... But their Toponimia..as well as their Christian names and Surnames are the Majority which the SPANISH and PORTUGUESE people have Nowadays.. e.g. NAMES SUCH AS; Rodrigo...Gonzalo.. Wenceslao...Crispin...Fernando..Federico...Roberto...Alberto...Hernando...Germán...Hernan... Alfonso...Gumersindo..etc,etc. Surnames such as; Rodríguez...Fernández. Hernández..Riquelme..Capelán...Sande..Guzmán..Gómez.. Villar..Narváez..Velázquez.. Kindelan...Gutierrez..etc,etc. THE actual Spanish use the expresión...YA..YA (Swedish ja..ja).. Yo..... for JEG (I in Swedish ). THE SPANISH confirmation .. Y ES which in Spanish means..AND IS....(mirrors the English Word YES) in it's full MEANING. Spaniards through out the HiSPANIC WORLD and even Peninsular Spaniards in the Canary Islands are called GODOS...(Spanish for GOTHS). VIENEN LOS GODOS....the GOTHS are coming... Cataluña stems from the Word..GOTALUNDIA...(GOTLAND). THE GOTHS nearly lost Spain for good when Islam invaded It. In the 8th,Century A.D. Due to the swiftness of the ARAB Stallion Cavalery of the MUSLIM Armies... But they were NEVER fully conquered or Totally defeated.. and in the NORTH (in Asturias) under Don.Pelayo . They began LA RECONQUISTA to Regain the KINGDOM of Spain for Christianity again. Asturias Flag mirrors that OF Sweden...(Blue FIELD with a Golden Cross). Spanish kids at School are tought to memorise the LONG list of Spain's VISIGOTHIC Kings... Ataulfo...Recaredo...Witiza.. Wamba..Hermenegildo.Gila etc,etc...the list being very long and ENDING with King Rodrigo. Thank you Historian Lewellyn for such a Historic video...about the GOTHS. Greetings from Spain.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching and giving information.

[@Noone-po1fc]

Brigar is more of a portuguese word than spanish, tbh, i've never heard any spanish speaker use this. And isn't this related to brigantia, which is the original name of Bragança, in portugal and didn't come from briga, celtic word for strength

[@Noone-po1fc]

?* (people called me and I've forgotten to write the punctuation mark)

[@Noone-po1fc]

Btw, we call the inhabitants of bragança, brigantinos. And our last dynasty was called Bragança.

[@lusolad]

No mention of Portugal.

[@BenLlywelyn]

See the map. Suebi were there and Galicia. I could have mentioned Portugal - I didn't

[@mihaiilie8808]

Athanaric from Buzau. For sure Ulfillas wrote the Bible here because it was the capital. And Athanaric you say he was pagan but he then got Arian Christian and then normal Christian as he lived his last years in Constantinople where he couldn't be Arian.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Political gain and faith were often intertwined in those ages.

[@Lusitani74]

"Briga" has probably celtic origins and not germanic. Also Hispania (or Iberia) is different from Spain...the country. Does cymraeg make a difference or is it like english that uses the same word?

[@BenLlywelyn]

English does not use the same word though? Iberia means Portugal, Catalunya, Spain, Basques, etc. Spain is just Spain. In English and Welsh both.

[@Lusitani74]

@@BenLlywelyn But the roman word Hispania means the same as Iberia. It is a geographic term. Just wondering why the title of the video is centered on Spain only considering the visigoths ruled over the whole peninsula. In portuguese there is a clear difference between both terms Hispania as the peninsula and Spain the country that only appears in the 16th century. Perhaps I mistunderstood your intentions and you just wanted to mention Spain alone. Lost in translation perhaps.

[@mihaiilie8808]

I identified the animals from the visigoths treasure, the leopard is the Caspian leopard that was spread in the whole Turkey, the vultures are Cinereus vultures wich are native here and non native more northern than Valachia Romania. So the animals, the vineyards depicted on the visigoth treasure have nothing to do with the Nordic coulture as those guys didn't knew these animals and they didn't had vineyards in Sweden.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Bob Dylan's blowing in the wind has nothing to do with Moses, but he is still Jewish, what's your point?

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn My point is that the visigoths are dacians from Muntenia. I don't care about the Nordic goths but visigoths are a local coulture in every aspect,their habits, their crops, the animals they encountered. There's nothing Nordic or germanic to them. As I told you they gone north and did a good thing in,, civilising,, ( helping) the germanics in a friendly way unlike the Roman's or the Greeks that enslaved and stole from the populations under their control. And now you come to trash Romanians history that were soo friendly to your germanic ancestors.

[@ds-on4sm]

Haha, yeah, nordics didn't know what grapes and wine was until the 19th century AD but claim the Goths, sure. Of course, this is the fault of academia who gave them the fake belief.

[@ver_idem]

@@mihaiilie8808 The visigoths created their last state in Northern Africa when they disappeared from the histrory,,they nomade1k of Miles to go far away from Dacia?

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@ver_idem you confuse visigoths with the avars

[@theobolt250]

Why, you ask? For the paella, of course! And the olive oil! And the sangria. Why else? 😂😂

[@BenLlywelyn]

What's not to like?

[@adrianwhyatt1425]

The cycles of climate change and events, supplemented by human activity and influences played their part in triggering these migrations.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Crop failure would be bad.

[@robertescu6435]

11:28 - Me: Clicks a video to learn about Spain. - Ben: Dacia 37:08 - Ben The Invader of Rome, The Leader Of The Goths (not those goths, The Goths) Even today Swedish people want to go to Spain I've done an DNA test and got 84.8% Balkan and 15.2% N-E Europe, but got 2 big DNA matches in Sweeden.

[@francisdec1615]

"Westra" is "western" in Old Swedish. My home county is Västra Götaland. In Old Swedish it's Westra Gautaland (the [w] phoneme has turned into the [v] phoneme in Swedish except for in a few rural dialects with very few speakers). There is a hypothesis that Catalonia is named after the Goths, since the name in Latin originally might have been Gathia Launia - "Gaut(h)a Land". There is one region and there are three historical provinces and three modern counties with Göt/Got in them in Sweden: Götaland, Västergötland, Östergötland and Gotland and Västra Götaland county, Östergötland county and Gotland county. Also note that the Danish peninsula attached to continental Europe is called Jutland. In "Götaland" etc (but not in "Gotland" or in the old "Gautaland") the g is soft, sounding like a j. 3:20 Scania or Scanialand - also including Halland, Blekinge and Bornholm (the latter only Swedish 1658-60) - is actually south of the green on your map. The green on your map is approximately Götaland "proper" minus Värmland (it counts to Svealand since 1815) before the Roskilde peace treaty of the 26th of February 1658.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Ben, do you know the gold bowl from your thumbnail is from my city, Buzau? Its from Athanaric treasure of Pietrosele and here its the old visigoths capital. That Bowl from your thumbnail shows the visigoths celebrating vineyards and wine. It was made for Dyonissus cult wich is old dacian religion that the greeks and romans also adopted from the getae dacians. Most important is that growing vineyards like that, like the visigoths, its not migratory and not germanic coulture . Its like your walking with Romanian flag there and you tell us,, this is Sweden,, 😂.

[@BenLlywelyn]

A great artifact to have from your local area. I hope it is well protected.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Its well protected and its dacian, celtic. And you should see it better here, the immages on the plate with vineyard, the Dyonissus cult wich the romans call Bachus and the trojans call Basara ( where Basarab name comes from, its celtic too ). This Dyonissus god its older than the greek coulture and its thracian. The romans had Bachus because they are thracian celts heritage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5LdqX2Cfc6mr7csi=vhtoJ-o3lAMr_ct-

[@Johnconno]

'Cos Spain is nice and cosy warm.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Fair.

[@skultvlad]

Spanish and Portuguese.

[@pedrokarstguimaraes1096]

Not Spain for god sake!🙄 to the Iberian península. Or actual Portugal and Spain, and south of France, Aquitania. Don’t forget that foederati was a tradicional way of using barbarian against barbarian. It was ok until it went wrong 😃

[@alareiks742]

I learned Gothic language. As a native Slavic speaker I was stunned how Gothic grammar is similar to the Slavic languages (and also Baltic and Latin). We literally have a similar case system with similar declantions.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The centuries Goths spent on the Ukrainian steppe would no doubt have put them in contact with your ancestors and left influences both ways upon Slavic and East Germanic languages.

[@mihaiilie8808]

It's because the Gothic language is made up by a Bulgarian, Ulfillas and it's a Latin language with Bulgarian letters where both the language and the letters are invented by Ulfillas. Trust Iordanes, visigoths ( the first goths) are dacian. See how Alaric was buried under a river which is Dacian like Decebal buried his treasure. The germanics didn't even plowed land, they were hunter gatherers, stone and bronze age coultures which were civilised by the spread of arianism by the visigoths.

[@BenLlywelyn]

That Germanic peoples did not plough land by the Roman era is utter nonsense.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Just Google and see Wikipedia to see it's true. Search Suebian knot, suebi( the blonde Scandinavians that dacian visigoths got to spread Arian christianity). They were in the bronze and stone age while the Roman's Greeks and dacians were in the iron age. You can't say those barbarians that didn't even plowed land sacked Rome or come to Dacia and made the Carpi flee from Dacia😂. It was reverse as Iordanes says, the dacians got to Sweden not the swedes got to Dacia.

[@alareiks742]

@@BenLlywelyn guy just a Bulgarian patriot. With all respect to patriotism, but some of a patriots tend to believe in non sense

[@mihaiilie8808]

Visigoths had falx swords alongside other swords like the roman ones, etc, but the falx and sica were the most important. Falx swords got to Spain. That says all about them being dacian ( or thracian, because thdse unusual swords are here from thousands of years before the dacians)😂. I think without the falx( wich i think its the best sword in history and underrated) they wouldnt have conquered the romans.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Careful tiger, someone might think you are Dacian.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn I hope you know that i agree with the romanian historical censorship, the,, we are not the visigoths and the gepids,, stuff and we like Trojan Column and Apolodor of Damascus( Trojans famous architect). We are same as bulgarians, all europeans see us as trash and insignifiant, and they vote Brexit because of us. But if you look closer, you will find amazing facts. And the falx, i absolutely think its the best sword in history, beats the japanese katanas and its the only weapon that made the romans to reinforce their armor. In a fight with, lets say, a brown bear or a polar bear, the falx its the only weapon id chose. Its a sword that has the action of an axe too.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

There's no evidence for this. And lets remember that the other barbarians from what's now known as Germany also raided the Roman Empire.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@bartoszszczepaniak169 The visigoths from my city of Buzau, raided Rome( and Athens twice) the first and at that time it wasnt raided in 800 years. All the other barbarians invading Rome, after that, are insignifiant because Rome was weaker.

[@the_Kurgan]

Yeah, yeah, ancient migrations were always peaceful.

[@BenLlywelyn]

🐾

[@LittleImpaler]

Everyone is Germanic in some ways.

[@BenLlywelyn]

German food is great.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Germanics didn't even had vine and you can see on the plate with the female godess of the visigoths, the vineyards are important to them. Swedish for sure didn't had vine because it's too cold to grow vineyards there. Visigoths are not germanic but dacians. And a side note about huns, they never made it to the hills let alone mountains so they never conquered the Romanian lands you show in your maps. The mountains and the hills( subcarpathians) were always dacian. That's why the visigoths capital it's at Pietroasele, on a hill close to the mountains and where they grow famous vineyard.

[@BenLlywelyn]

That Goths created the Dacian Kingdom is just fantasy. It's not real, sorry. Rome took out the Dacian elite, and then Goths asborbed the rest or they fled with Carpi into the Empire. The Dacians didn't make it, stop fantasizing

[@mihaiilie8808]

Oium is a germanic word? 😂 Do you know what oaie means in romanian? The visigoths didn't move from Buzau after they sacked Rome. There is continuity of visigoths in Buzau until they converted to Nicene Christianity. All DNA tests suggest dacian and before dacian continuity in the hills and mountains. Only in Dobrogea there are little hun genes. Alaric was dacian, buried dacian, drank vine like dacian while the swedes and germanics didn't even had vineyards because they were semi nomads. Iordanes says the visigoths are dacian, the capital of the visigoths is in Dacia, Buzau Valachia and we are the old geto dacians( pronounced getsi).

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynPaleogenetics studies made by a German director of the human biology Institute in Hamburg, Alexander Rodewald and Georgeta Cardos. They say there is continuity for 5000 years. It totally destroyed the nut job Lucian Boia that said were a new people coming from other countryes. So we are dacian, we are Carpi and the visigoths. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnrScnuNmZVjrqcsi=3a-8EaAUR578AnHq

[@mihaiilie8808]

Balti dynasty is pronounced baltsi in romanian not like baltic. It's like gots wich are pronounced gotsi ( like the tribe in Sweden and like getsi - getae is how Roman's called them). Balti means lakes or ponds, marshes and you can see that Alaric comes from the Danube Delta where there are a lot of baltsi😂. Balta it's definatevely an old Dacian word.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Like every language, I am sure Romanian has many words pronounced its own way which are pronounced another way in other languages. As for if it is a Dacian word is entirely up to opinion as we have no evidence one way or the other. But I do doubt it, as the elite group would have come from Ukraine at that time, far beyond Dacian control.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn No, they didn't come from Ukraine because of the 2 border walls, Athanaric wall, Trojan wall. They were dacians the getae as Iordanes says. Even the names Athanaric and Alaric are celt not germanic. They are ending with I like I of the gauls, like Vercingetorix. And Balta I assume it's an ancient word and for sure it's dacian. Baltic states, you should read what Maria Gimbutas says, that they come from the Danube. ( you mentioned that actually in some video).

[@mihaiilie8808]

​@@BenLlywelynhere you can see Balta is a dacian word. Also found in Albania. Baltic comes from dacia georgepruteanu.ro/4doarovorba/emis000-protv-960325-traco-daci.htm

[@dumitruturnea205]

The, germans,say,this expresion: This,man for dinner, Eat, good, drink good, and, in the morning,he ghet up dead. In Dacian language, the Dacians say,sample: This man,got,heart attack."(SO SLOGUIT.). AND FOR,GOOD NIGHT, THE DACIANS,SAY"NOAPCE BUNA" ONE OTHER WORD COMUNE,AND WERY OLD,IS: PLAY =SPECIAL PLACE ,PLAIN, SPECIAL, ARANGED, FOR PEOPLES TO TRAVEL WHITH ANIMALS,OR SOLDIER'S OUTSIDE,WILAGES CITYS,WHAT WAS OK,FOR CARS AND,MILITARY,HEAVY EQUIPMENTS, USE IN BATLEFILDS. ROMANS,NAME THIS FORM OF ROADS:"VIA ", AND BARBARIANS,NAMED,PLAY ".

[@mihaiilie8808]

The gepids are just getae dacians, non germanic thracians with little Asian genes. They were just like the visigoths, same coulture,dacian,same language. These are much older than Wielbark coulture wich is relatively new in comparison to Dacia. The Wielbark coulture was made by relatively late dacians not the opposite. Burebista is older than the Wielbark coulture,Dromichaete is hundreds of years older than Wielbark coulture.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Whats funny is that Iordanes says the gepids name is an insult because they are slow. Wich is real because we consider people from Transylvania to be slow moving slow talking and usually more relaxed. Its amazing how accurate Iordanes was.

[@BenLlywelyn]

He made up a lot too.

[@ansibarius4633]

@@BenLlywelyn No, I am sure Jordanes is a most trustworthy historian. For instance, no one would question the fact that the Huns were the offspring of demons that mated with witches who were expelled from the kingdom of the Goths and then settled in the Maeotic swamp, as he relates. It's all so... believable. Scientifically sound.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn What you don't like you say he made up. I think the man was honest and accurate for it's age.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn What I find interesting to test is the DNA of the dark skinned saxons from Transylvania. Like our Romanian president wich is darker than most gipsyes and so was Hitler s doctor, Theodore Morell. Dark skin and slow. I think they are much older than what hungarians say that they brought them just 1000 years ago. The film with Anthony Quinn ( the 25 hour) wich is dark skinned and how he becomes the poster model for the SS, although a comedy, might be true or at least should be investigated though Paleogenetics.

[@orasinias]

It is all wrong, my friend. The Vandals' migration was for religious reasons. That is what resulted in the death of Augustine. Jewish kingdoms, the Christian Donatist church, the Trinity church, and the Arian religion were all destroyed in Algeria and North Africa. Algerians are a mixed-race people of Arabs and migrants from Asia, Europe, and Africa. Religion brought them together. In other words, the rise of Islam was the actual rise of the Vandals. Unfortunately, neither the Germans who praised the Vandals nor the Franks who hated them seem to have the true history of the Vandals.

[@mihaiilie8808]

You show the bowl from Buzau ( romania) in your thumbnail and you basically say its from Sweden 😂. It cant be from Sweden because on the bowl there is a vineyard festival and grapes dont grow in Gotland. Its too cold to grow grapes in Sweden. You couldnt be more wrong than this.

[@BenLlywelyn]

People moved around.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn yea, they did, but the bowl has nothing to do with a coulture from Sweden. Wineyard doesnt grow in Sweden. But iet, you show it and say it comes from Sweden 😂. It feels like your trying to steal our ancestors history and give it to Sweden. Its nuts. Neomarxists like Lucian Boia and Dan Alexe got you here and you feel like somebody that hates romanians and try to school us with such fake stories i hardly believe you believe them. But, as the gentle dacopat and visigoth i am, i dont get mad on you because i dont see you as a threat. All my trolling is friendly and a genuine attempt at educating you about my part of the world, not insulting. All your knowledge about Romania comes from austrohungaria propaganda, Roessler theory, Lucian Boia and Dan Alexe. These are the last authors to learn about Romania because they hate Romanian coulture. Youd be better asking turks about romania or russians. Im sure those would be more honest and sprinkle a truth here and there.

[@perretti]

I stopped listening when you said they originate from Scandinavia. The come from the Gutians. And they were related the Getae. As well as being part Scythian as lived in the farthest east of Scythia which could have been as far as Japan or Korea as you can plainly see the Saka were all over Japan. You can even see similarities between Norse (post gothic) architecture with early Japanese Korean architecture. This Scandinavian trope is part of the academic post WWII objects.

[@BenLlywelyn]

There no evidence Goths are Asians. Their language was clearly Germanic and related to the Jutes.

[@dumitruturnea205]

There old history's (antik),needs studies well. And,understand all the movements what's was,in this INDO-EUROPEANS teritories.and,in the old,time how was organized ,and administered this,armies and from,were. The Alexander the Great,military,sistem,help,lot off future,military leaders to be successful in them campaigns. How Alexander military administrat,was organized was well operated, and,like the general Bismark,was cont,all the suples necesary military incursions,how,and were,to got,weat spelt vegetables, meet,fresh water,clotes,sandals,gun's and,seelds,wood for cooks,and wood,for military,constructions. From ,Druids, to paria,in India, was one,class,of people's ho was used for this jobs. Roman ENPIRES used the prisoners of war,to do this jobs. In dacians and Gothic area's they can't controls this masive,masses,what was suport,tis barbarians,armies to ghet the victorys,aging sclavagist,politic,enpires,off rome(east and west. The Christians religion,educate,thes,barbarians,ho,is the real enemies and,TEL everione,about,freedom and brotherhood societys. This urly,christians,form from,slaves,and war prisoners was,create,one big nation,in the enpires,and helped the barbarians,to free,them from,sclavagist empires,states,and,tribes. The new,Christians grups,was,involed,in one big war,from beghiny,against the,slavery,sistem,and,against paganism,sistemspracticate,by,romans,and ,same barbarians,societis,and kings,and tribe,leaders. In india,and China,and,mongolian,and Tibet,and,Russian stepes,was same situations. 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And formed,the modern,europeans,states.,(romans,caled,al,non,romans,citizens,barbarians). Today the Italy,contry,dont,reconais,them,as,romans,citizens. All peoples,say they are italians,and use italian language not roman language.. And slow,slow,the roman word from them language deseper.

[@BenLlywelyn]

You wrote a lot.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Atillas huns conquered dacian parts are made too big on your map. And they were converted fast to arianism by the visigoths wich turned them into Ostrogoths. Ostrogoths are smaller and more to the west than in your maps,Hungary.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Omniatlas.com

[@thegreenmage6956]

I don’t think such a dark-skinned person next to the name of the Goths will be popular in the historical community. Just an odd choice of thumbnail, imo, I hope the video does well anyway.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Diolch am wylio. The thumbnail is a sort of test. It was AI generated - not the words through, which I made. We'll see how it goes. B.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The thumbnail has been changed now.

[@mihaiilie8808]

The visigoths( first goths) are dacian as Iordanes says and they are basically south east romanians, vlachs. Ulfillas, first writer of the germanic world is a Bulgarian from Moesia(not Greek). The visigoths spread arianism religion to the germanics which were living in the stone age as hunter gatherers. Google Suebi, Suebian knot to see they didn't even plowed land and they were iliterate.

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

​@mihaiilie8808 Another Dacopathic baseless claims. Soon you will argue that the Goths ancestors were from Mar's lmao. Jordane's made baseless claims as well, basically what you are doing here. The Goth's had no connection with Dacian's. And Bulgarian's came in the Balkan's about 300 year's (if not more) after this incident lmao. And Proto-Romanian's would have been Roman's by this point

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@InAeternumRomaMater The visigoths capital was in Buzau and Im from Buzau. I tell you they were dacians.We can also make DNA tests in the future to prove they were not the swedes, that's easy.

[@mihaiilie8808]

And Roman's didn't trained the getae, but gave them money to defend the Roman empire from the mongols. If the getae dacians would have let the huns pass they would have destroyed the Roman empire. So your comparison with the pashtun from Afghanistan it's wrong. In the end it was better that the dacians destroyed the Roman empire instead of the huns.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The Roman Empire destroyed the Dacians.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Roman empire controlled only 20% of Dacia. 80% was free dacians wich raided the Roman occupied part like 15 times. It wasn't a peaceful occupation and that's why people think the dacians couldn't learn Latin from the Roman's in just 170 years of occupation of just 20% of the land, while they raided the Roman's. The saying that Romanian language comes from the Roman's it's just a metaphor to make us look closer to the european ideas.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Dio Cassius names them Dacoi Porosoi, neighbouring dacians. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limes_Transalutanus

[@mihaiilie8808]

Very bad maps. Uldin huns in Valachia wich I never heard of 😂. Dacia at the south of Danube 😂.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Omniatlas.com

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn Its not real map. We never heard of Uldin huns. Huns were just raiding outside most of Romania and they never made it to the hills, just in the planes. With the info I gave you you could have made a good video but you toght that's dacopaths ideas 😂. Because of this mistake that goths come from Sweden, lots of Swedish get their ass kicked by Italians because they think Roman emperors were blonde. The genetic study made in Spain on 10 visigoths, was made by pro Hitler nazis and if you want to see the real vigoths come to their capital in Romania, Buzau, not Spain where they got mixed. Its obvious that the visigoths had germanics with them in the later times but could be just blonde moldovans or blonde Ukraineans or blonde Romanians and not even germanics.

[@kunstleart]

@@mihaiilie8808 Seriously dude? You never heard of Dacia Aurealiana, Dacia Ripensis, Dacia Mediterranea, the 3 Dacias, the diocese of Dacia in Illyricum, etc.? Go read if you got time to troll.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@kunstleart there is also the Sweden Dacia, but the real Dacia is in the Carpato-Danubiano-Pontic space.

[@kunstleart]

@@mihaiilie8808 The 'real Dacia' xD The Dacians were a hybrid Scythian-Thracian race and there's just way too many coincidences related to Bactria i.e. the Dahae - Massagetae parallels, the Chinese naming the main part of Bactria as Daxia, Bactria's old name being Blakh which is very similar with the ethnonym used by the Slavs for Vlachs/ Wallachians; which is Vlakhs plus the fact that the Vlachs are often recorded as Blachs instead of Vlachs, even Vlachia (Thessaly) was recorded as Blaquie, Blaquia and similar at times and Anonymi Descriptio Europae Orientalis also uses the terms Blachs and Blachus while giving the account that they were Romance speaking pastoralists that inhabited Moesia and Pannonia.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Ben, did you see the visigoths wearing those wings on their helmets, like the gauls? Thats because they are related celts.😂. Basically anything visigoth says,, we are celts, dacians,,. Cant be germanics.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Ostrogoth video coming.

[@aidanopoole8983]

This guy has trivial understanding of language, migrations and politics and the history there of, and makes up or ignores the rest.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thanks for watching.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

Great video generally, but I'm not buying the "Goths were Germanic" spiel. Certainly the elites spoke a Germanic dialect similar to Vandal or Burgundian but most of them were proto-Slavs. The people that remained in Eastern Europe were called "Venedi" by the Romans.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The names, writings about them, etchings, laws, language and customs we know about the Goths all Germanic.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@BenLlywelyn That's what I was talking about when I said that the elite clans were Germanized. They wrote the Wulfila, for example.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@bartoszszczepaniak169 Goths are a mix but not with the slavs. The slavs are the wikings wich got to europe 700 years later. Ulfila its not germanic and not a slav but a dacian from modern day Bulgaria. He was a celtic speaker of vulgar latin and greek, that wrote a bible in germanic language, so that the visigoths can spread arian chriatianity to the germanics. Visigoths and Ulfillas had to learn germanic language as it wasnt their native language.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn This is your mistake because the goths are not all the same. Visigoths are different, ostrogoths and the gepids are different from the simple goths. Thats why they use these names and dont call themselves all, goths. The visigoths, gepids and ostrogoths are dacians and celtic coulture that has nothing germanic culturally( they grow vineyard as you can see in the pictures from my city you posted, they had wings on their helmets like gauls, torc and the gold treasure of Athanaric was used for the Dionysius cult wich is dacian and celtic), their names are celtic and dacian ending in ric and the name of the city, the river, their capital, Buzau, Pietroasele, Oium, are all celt not germanic. Even the goth tribes from Gotland, except the suebi, are celtic. Only Suebi are the natives of Gotland and the rest are there because Gotland became a colony if the getsi, (geto dacians of south Romania). The visigoths celts( dacians) spread christianity and educated the germanics.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@mihaiilie8808 There's no supporting evidence that the Gothic elite had to learn Germanic. They spoke it already.

[@mihaiilie8808]

Visigoth word is 100% dacian, because if you knew romanian, its not visi goth but vizi goth, with the letter Z. Letter Z is from the dacians. ,, Vizitiu,, word in romanian language, means the driver of the carriage or,, conducator,, ( leader and would translate as the leader of the carriage). In romanian we call the driving license,, permis de conducere,, wich is license to lead. The president of Romania says he is the,, conducator,, ( could be vizitiu) of Romania. So vizigoth means the ruling goths, the,, conducator,, goths. That doesnt mean the dacians were germanic. Vizigoths just spread christianity to the the germanics that were in the stone age as you can see it portrayed on the Trojan column. The germans are naked and the lowest slaves the romans had. Syrians are the best dressed and the most educated on the Trojans column, wich makes sence as the great architect Apolodor of Damascus, was sirian. Trojans column says it all. And Athanaric kings name means Intuneric in romanian language wich is translated to,, darkness,,. He was darker skinned probably than the germanics.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Of course you would say it is Dacian. 😉

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@BenLlywelyn Yeah. Goths spoke Romanian. Certainly they did, even though Vulgar Latin didn't yet evolve into Romanian. 🤣🤣🤣

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@BenLlywelyn And these people also claim that the Romans came from Dacians. That's a whole other level of stupidity.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@bartoszszczepaniak169 Only hungarians like you feel offended that romans come from dacians. No italian or spanish ive talked with, ever got to tell thats crazy. Dont be jealous, its easy for them to believe it and thats what romans toght too, that what Homer says in Iliada, etc. The etruscans have ancestry in the people known as the getae and the trojans from Turkey are also related to the getae. Thats because they are thracians wich means celtic coulture as the thracians are the oldest celts.

[@bartoszszczepaniak169]

@@mihaiilie8808 1. I'm not Hungarian, I'm Polish. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 2. There's no archeological evidence of any migration from what's now Romania to what's now Italy. Thank you very much.

[@ds-on4sm]

The Goths were NOT german, swedish or whatever but the Thracian Getae. The Thracian language is Bulgarian. Goths lived on both sides of the Danube, called Getae and Dacians. The Royal tomb is in Bulgaria, Sveshtari. No serious scholar would regard them as anything but Thracian. Germans stole both the Aryans and Goths from us, that's the truth. In fact when I explained this to a Swede he had nothing more to say and understood. Only stupid corrupt academia goes on spreading lies!!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thacians, Dacians, Getae, Illyrian are are a lost grouping within the Indo-European Language family - likely between East Germanic and the Anatolian family (also lost). So Thracian's closest living relativez would be Albanian, Armenian and after that, maybe German or Greek.

[@ds-on4sm]

​​@@BenLlywelynNo and no, this is propaganda. The Thracian, Goths, Illyrians and Dacians never lost their languages or vanished, this is impossible, insane claim that they push and push. The Romanians spoke Thracian(Old Bulgarian) too because we were the same people in ancient times. They divided us by artificially latinizing their language. They removed Bulgarian words and inserted Latin. I know who lived in Romania, my family was born there and lived there for generations before we lost it in 1940. Academia invented the slavs and turks. Those people don't exist!! Bulgarians never came from anywhere and look the First Bulgarian empire and its boundaries. You think a small nomadic tribe would create the first state and empire.

[@ds-on4sm]

​​​​​@@BenLlywelynWhat are you talking about. You mention the Albanians, Germans, Greek to be the closest living relatives of the Thracians but not the Bulgarians and Romanians? Excuse me, but what's going on here? Why not mention the Islandic, Australians and Sami too? Stop spreading this old BS in 2023. Albanians came here in the 12th century! Greeks are not even European and Germans, they were primitive long after the Thracians travelled the world. And Armenian?! Haha. You call the Romanians Dacopats, I wonder what would you call the Bulgarians, Thracopats? Just because we don't trust psychopats who write the history books?

[@ds-on4sm]

​​@@BenLlywelynI have no wish to argue. You don't need to reply but just think. If you don't have any agendas, but just interest in history, then you should leave the "academia" garbage behind and start thinking for yourself. "Getae qui et nunс Gothi, Getarum, sive Gothorum, Geticus quasi Gotticus”. “Rome should have no longer any Getic peril to fear; for they say that the Goths are of the Getic race.” - Proc. Bello Gothico, V.XXIV.29. "It is proper first to shew that Scythae, Getae, Gothi, were but different names for one and the same people; as we call them Spaniards, whom the French call Espagnols; the Italians, Spagnuoli: or as the French call the English Anglois; the Italians, Inglesi."

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@ds-on4sm no serious scholar? All that we have of them is germanic. No serious scholar would call them anything other than germans

[@mihaiilie8808]

Old Norse language starts in 720 ad. Soo late and the visigoths Bible and language was written couple hundred ears earlyer. So the goth language could have influenced old Norse not the opposite. Vikings arrive @700 ad, visigoths start in 320 Ad in Dacia.

[@BenLlywelyn]

North and East Germanic were more closely related than North and West Germanic.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn I was amazed that old Norse is soo recent, 9th century ad. Can't compare Ulfillas Bible wich is much older than old Norse. Even Iordanes Gothica is much older than old Norse language.

[@MixerRenegade95]

@@mihaiilie8808 Old Norse is atleast 2 centuries older than that (I don't believe that 3 centuries of Old Norse would churn out such a rich set of literature, because Old Norse stops about 1200) anything further back would be Proto-Norse/Germanic which overlaps with Gothic.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@MixerRenegade95 I'm no expert of old Norse and I've just got my info from Wikipedia. When wikings arrive (late in 7th century and I was maybe optimistic because they seem to develop in the 9th century) Gothic disappears. Norse mythology it's also very recent, Odin and stuff like that just 1000 years old while Ulfillas Bible it's 1700 years old.

[@MixerRenegade95]

@@mihaiilie8808 You can't judge the History of Norse based on some Speakers commencing raids on other lands for all I know if it's not in the Homeland it shouldn't count.

[@mihaiilie8808]

The history of the visigoths is soo well documented that even the birth year of Saint Sebas the goth is known. Sebas is Dacian name ( pronounced Sava as Sebas is how Greeks would call him). Musaios is also how Greeks would write Buzau because they didnt had letters to write Z). en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbas_the_Goth

[@imperialguardsman9867]

So he was actually a Dacian ,Sabbas? Or just a Goth that adopt the name because they dwell in region?

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@imperialguardsman9867 Dacian. The goths are dacian too , Alaric, the goth that sacked Rome was buried like a dacian under a river, they grew vineyards witch is non germanic, etc. Iordanes says the goths are the getae dacians. That's why was Sweden named DaciA😂

[@nick-beukan]

@@mihaiilie8808 this guys will never accept the truth. Historia Augusta and all the books from that era said Goths are Getae.