Daedelus compares the Roland TR-808 vs. TR-8

Daedelus, one of LA's most-loved electronic music producers and performers, showcases the evolution of the TR-808-inspired Roland TR-8 Rhythm Performer and also gives a brief overview of alternative beat structures in a talk originally delivered for the 2nd Low End Theory Festival on 8.08.15.
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[@MrPs103]

A creative savant with a swagger that folks these days can't understand. Always going with the flow, never willing to step out and be their own person. Thank you for showing us a bit of who you are, Daedelus.

[@Shivotheque]

straight out of a Wes Anderson movie kinda swag....cool

[@bflagg94]

Daedelus was sampled by Madlib on Madvilliany, everyone best show some respect for this beautiful amish man!

[@tonyhodge6382]

I love this guy and particularly his comment and facial expression at 7:00 when he says: "allows for all kind of strange unknowables. I'm interested in that stuff." God bless him.

[@TheRadChannel]

I just sat here for 13 minutes... It was like a black hole... I don't even know what happened... There was a pilgrim and...

[@laurajohnson4086]

This video just sucks

[@senseicuttitup3722]

Yoooo at 3 mins and 13 seconds I read your comment and was died :-D :-D hahahahahahaha oh sheit

[@figarostanislav]

bruh just happen to me right now smh

[@laurajohnson4086]

ikr ... "There was a pilgrim" ... I just died

[@supergye6480]

I'm still trying to figure out who ate half of this pilgrim's tie!

[@foodandmoney]

This man is not speaking garbage, people. This isn't a specs and stats comparison like you may be used to. This is a creative comparison. Don't be turned away by a little philosophy, use it to think differently. Try and understand what Daedelus is actually trying to discuss with you.

[@donaldpriola1807]

I love the philosophy of this demo. It also gives proper respect and context for the TR-8, which is a great machine. He's a true artist who doesn't care about the labels "analog" or "digital".

[@ontology3]

this man is amazing, it's a shame that so many people in here seem to despise him.

[@iSapien1956672]

You have to be able to appreciate the madness to understand the genius.

[@sumoslap1973]

Man is a living legend

[@chrisbaron70]

He’s original and innovative that’s why,

[@akuro2685]

In case you didn't know, that little device to the left is the Delaydelus, a magic piece of hardware collab between Daedelus and Bleep Labs that can record, playback, and delay pieces of audio! Check it out

[@hershiekopper]

I have never thought that in my life I would witness an amish using a drum machine. simply breathtaking.

[@christophemillertime]

This dude loves his craft and he seems to be very humble. He is a true musician in my opinion. The way he speaks about humanizing computer music hits home. Its my major concern with where music is going, we need breathe, just like you find in playing real instruments such as how a violin and harmonica can cry or a guitar can sing and talk.

[@mintlifesava]

I've met him in person and he is incredibly humble. Very much an inspiration to myself and many others

[@clemson7777]

This guy is so weird that I actually kind of like him.

[@SeanSullivanArt]

I love watching him perform. When everything locks into place, out of chaos, he is just as surprised as the audience. Its like hes not in charge and just there to hear it too. haha

[@terrastudios_]

He describes these seemingly simple devices in such a poetic and intricate way. I love his appreciation for all the little details, as well as his creativity and drive. Really helps you see the beauty in making sound.

[@EchoDealTV]

The trick with combining two drum machines / sequencers with some reactivity is one of the ways I sometimes go. That's a refreshing example of moving out of the grid with machines, allowing to set a new central rhythm point to get around.

[@muhmullet]

Once again, Daedelus shows us how beautiful it can be to interact with the soundscape. Thank you.

[@CayenneTravels]

That video was awesome. Thank you Daedelus!

[@Tune4media]

Sounds cool! I like that more "philosophic" approach towards these machines

[@Shivotheque]

exactly...

[@rudegunz]

very nicely done . nice hints of the interspective of man and machine .both poetic and philosophical .a true artist ,with a grip .that has an authentic understanding to properly articulate

[@pytheus]

Bravo and thank you Daedelus!! Quite impressive as I can't get even close to these output results with the same gear!

[@QuixoteX]

"It is the sound of the future. It has been for quite some time." Haha

[@machiwoomiapoo]

I love it. I finally will have both by the end of the week. So many sweet drum sounds! :)

[@TheHotFalafel]

He's the Willy Wonka of electronic music.

[@adamjcohn]

He just needs to make an electronic version of The Everlasting Gobstopper. At one point, I was either like "this guy loves train wrecks" or" he is trying to show me something I don't understand". Either way for my eclectic taste, those two being so out of tempo with each other was making me nuts. His explanation of breath was good. He seems like he knows what he was talking abbot but every time I was like "What the?!?" was when he had on the biggest smile. Do what you like. There is an audience for everyone. Create. I feel like I should own his 808 though. ;)

[@Smegma_pirate]

@@adamjcohn they weren’t out of time your just a club guy

[@sumoslap1973]

@@adamjcohn Daedalus can do whatever he wants because at the end of the day he did accordion for Madvillainy... nuff said

[@twotone27304]

Amazing as always! One of the first guys I followed on SoundCloud years ago.

[@khabug]

It's so great to be able to look into Daedelus's creative process :) He manages to tread a very fine line between chaos and order, and I like that a lot.

[@DaJungleDred]

Yes Yes 👍 Thank you - You make the two machines sound fluid and organic. Really enjoyed this

[@djsarumawashi]

THANKS for Sharing. Greetings from Cabo Verde Islands. Cheers

[@JasonValentineFL]

Interesting video. Thank you for your unique insight on these two machines.

[@tomesmusic]

really great video - thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@dukescomics]

Thank YOU for the master class A.D.!

[@TwoThreadsAhead]

I love how In love with it all he is, I wish more people spoke with conviction like him too.

[@NirvanaSOAD960960]

The carl sagan of electronic music. XD

[@dayglo98]

lol that was my thought too

[@niklasgindler4571]

But way more pretentious ....

[@nofx84]

Maybe, but the dude is one of the nicest people I've ever met. Very humble actually.

[@nofx84]

***** sure, ok

[@MrCowfood]

More to the point he is a cross between Mr. Rogers, Simon in the land of chalk drawings, and Carl Sagan. A land somewhere between King Friday, Henrietta Pussy Cat and Mr. McFeely in the land of make believe with a subtle hint of patronizing playfullness only Rogers could pull off. His necktie, cut as Simon only could, in his analog synth world chalk classroom. Finally, of course exploring the universe in Cosmos the ship traveling from the macroscopic to the microscopic and everything in-between without the deeper understanding of electrons, resistance, and ohms law.

[@85percentcocoa]

loved this thank you

[@kame5271]

8:12 When Daedelus realized that was fire

[@Funkbutterfly]

gotta give props to roland for rolling with this

[@tylrbass]

Very interesting, always interested in what Daedelus has to say. Thanks for the video!

[@datbumo]

I wish Daedelus hosted a Saturday morning music show.

[@AlbertSirup]

you had me at airhorn

[@daniel2622]

Really like to see more of daedelus utilizing more hardware based sound sources

[@AllyKiss18]

I like this, the guy is unique and he explains music in a more emotional and abstract way. For all the idiots making stupid comments on him- this is what music is about, feel, emotion, an abstract outlook. This commercial crap of today doesn’t equate any of that.

[@DjQuienMKTLW]

Some much love in those words... you are always the voice i need listen to ... to make music to...

[@arcanedevice2200]

Damn awesome vid ! That overlay is nice too

[@batmansmk]

I really like this presentation. It is just different, calm and actually much more to the point that it seems.

[@_fig.8]

i love everything about this. everything.

[@TheTobiasVaughn]

I'm a massively budget conscious bedroom producer. Over the years I've had several 808 style patterns and ideas floating around. I tried to do some of them on VSTs years ago, and they sounded a bit thin, flat and lacking. I tried to coax my Volca Beats to do some of it and worked my guts out to try to get it somewhat okay -- even though the snare drum on the Beats is definitely not up to scratch for the task, and I had to adapt to make the best of it I could. Got the TR-8 yesterday. And I had my ideas playing through the speakers in less than 3 minutes. In less than 3 minutes from opening the box, I had the first usable drum groove. One that I have tried to create on other machines several times. I know there are other drum machines, with other drum sounds, that are more flexible, more controllable -- but if you want an 808 sound, and you want to quickly get to those ideas -- the TR-8 is the way to go.

[@roberttodd2414]

well 808 would be the way to go wouldnt it?

[@chrisbaron70]

Awesome thank you

[@kimbobaloola7932]

So the TR8 is there to serve the 808 and enhance be used together?? Or it works independently to the 808 and is a much lower level budget version???? ::))

[@charlesdaniels1481]

What a thoroughly nice and pleasant chap.

[@arrakisstudio3317]

Great video!

[@faunaflage]

Thusly, an exactment! Still, very much enjoyed this. You be you, Daed.

[@Space_Reptile]

this may sound a bit dull , but of all the sounds of the roland , all i really care about is the good ol 808 cowbell , its just that one sound that sounds nothing like what its named after that you heard in so many pieces of music that it just stuck , its the one sound you know the exact name of and its origin

[@ramonrojas5816]

+Justagermannerd Clearly we need more cowbell

[@Seeattle]

This is not at all the video I thought I was clicking on to see, but thanks for showing some cool creative ways to program these things

[@Dettol68]

What a wonderful guy! Love the gear

[@LandonBalk]

I'm confused, is this a comparison or a romantic evening with the two?

[@khabug]

Bad title, I think. It's more of a video about the two devices and how the tangible nature of using them can "humanize" electronic music (which is often "computerized", or rigid in its structure)

[@user-uo4ys6lb4v]

😂

[@Thumolero]

That was great.

[@poopygirlmusic]

I've been watching it like twice a day for the past week.

[@geoffmobile]

nice demo thank you!!

[@michaelgowman1996]

Yeah its funny to me that people think that being genuine and articulate is identified as odd or strange. Daedelus is one of the nicest musicians I've met. Plus he's a fucking beast with his own style. Just saying I get it haha.

[@machinedrum]

extremely awesome

[@SunJaguar72]

Dope! Great explanation.

[@ultravirtual5749]

Awesome vid

[@ryananthony4840]

Where did you get the skin for the TR 8 to make it look like an 808?

[@pshearduk]

Really enjoyed this Daedelus vid, so much so I just ordered the delaydelus from Control Voltage in Portland.. I own the TR-8 and I've played with a few 808's over the years.. I wish I owned an original 808, but think if I did it would just become a thing to look at rather than use. Where as I use my TR-8 and TB-3 on a daily basis. I also must confess I had never heard of Daedelus until yesterday and after watching this video 3 or 4 times, I'm quite a fan :) respect due

[@_Thorsten]

Great comparison and what nice spoken words.

[@PureAmbientDrone]

With all the remakes you would think Roland, Yamaha and others would just re-do them PART FOR PART. Korg got it almost right with the Mini MS20 they did a GREAT job on it, just a little cheap for my taste, but it works!

[@iNuchalHead]

Some of the parts might not be mfg'ed anymore. Since these vintage devices were analog, everything matters... if you can't get the same kind of tubes or transistors of the same type, made with the same grade if semiconductor or whatever, then that will have an effect on the signal and it is not the same. OTOH, this can all be digitally modeled, but that's lame. Point is, part-for-part, hand-made is becoming more impossible every day. Only Stradivari made Stradivarius violins, and vintage cannot be faked.

[@PureAmbientDrone]

Good points there, my dad is a Ham Radio guy and he says they still make the parts in other countries for classic radios, but that's radios, I don't know about the MUSIC stuff of yesterday. The cost would be real high if they had to make that stuff again to build them. But there is still a lot of stuff today being made that IS analog and you would think Roland would go analog like Korg has. Roland made some of the BEST gear out there but their marketing strategy is leading them away from analog. Behringer has even made the leap into analog instruments with the up coming DEEPMIND 12 which I WILL OWN :)

[@ditdatzuszo6727]

Pure Ambient Drone they dont make the specific ic's no more.. greetings, a ham diy and roland fetishist

[@PureAmbientDrone]

Yeah I figured so. I was just yapping about how Roland opted for virtual digital rather than analog gear in their new stuff. I know it would be hard to remake the old stuff perfectly or even slightly. I would love to see Roland make all new analog gear instead of this virtual stuff they been doing. Korg is getting it right.

[@spookypen]

Seems Behringer listened.

[@mCKENIC]

I LOVE the overlay on Daedelus' Tr-8... is that something that is available please?

[@dapsg.8068]

Wow. The ratio of appreciators vs. haters. Lol. It's Daedalus! #historylessons #getfamiliar

[@Jocepos]

Hey Roland, how come this TR-8 has a different overlay (Looks more like 808) compared to the AIRA TR8 style overlay? Are these stick on or a different edition?

[@Jocepos]

Nevermind, I have seen the overlay panels - they look very cool! synthgraphics.com/Roland-TR8-TR808-TR909.html

[@christopherclarke3022]

I enjoyed your description and view of the TR808 and TR8, thank you. I must admit I had never thought of the 808 in the way you described. Your verbal description almost had me believing the 808 almost boarded on having a pseudo personality and sentience. Have you thought of dabbling in poetry? Or being an orator?

[@tylrbass]

That little device is so much fun, sampled some gnarly kicks and snares into it and I've basically got a quick finger drumming delay freak out routine to bust out live

[@SLINKLYDLINKLY]

Daedelus is so passionate Love the guy

[@scowlsmcjowls2626]

The man is great with words as he is with beats

[@sleeplessinflatland]

YES! I LOVE THIS.

[@atraktmillyonzmusic]

where did you get the skin for it to make it look like the old school layout?

[@AnastasisGrammenos]

What is that thingy connected with the 2 R/L cables at the left of the screen?

[@mintlifesava]

It's a delaydelus

[@aabiii9461]

roland 808 = 3000-4000$ (from the internet used) roland tr-8 = 499$ Thanks Roland.

[@imthebeatplug_8319]

AABIII94 True 😂👌

[@EnochDark]

$299 in 2018!

[@SwollenMustache]

Daedelus is the Bob Ross of gear reviews haha. Love you man!

[@chrisstrobel3439]

Man I couldn't even give my 808 away back in the day when the sampled drum machines appeared on the scene. Amazing how desireable these things are these days.

[@louismarcell]

i love this performance he really knows how too controll that mess and craft something very unique !

[@superultrathanksmom3845]

Man, and the video started out so well :(

[@johnmcelroy8453]

Wow. I really liked that.

[@mpoecho6636]

Expression 😎👍

[@dbpooper7512]

Been a fan of Daedelus for many years, but never heard him speak until this. He seems exactly as I'd hope and expect based on his music; thoughtful, literary and a little bit bizarre.

[@mikelo303]

Such Character! Thanks!

[@johanvancauteren6203]

Hi there, is the TR 8 compatible with the Roland Jupiter 8? 😏

[@cliffnboyzy]

Where do you get the skin for the tr8?

[@Dubroar]

Brilliant.

[@brianwyse5810]

whats the little mixer on his right?

[@barlimoving7486]

A wondrous time traveler bereft of the sense of the fashions and customs of the day ponders over musical automata, that are as such not yet readily available in the late 18th century and puts them into perspective with the limited understanding of modern technology that he so fervently displays.

[@tekis0]

Yeah. Where did he get those?

[@AB_ATT]

What is the little box he is using for making noises?

[@papi_dummy]

Delaydelus

[@igorfokin586]

What pedal he use here?

[@deadmoldable]

whats that effectunit he's using?

[@ntotheizm]

I love this guy!

[@gadd1111]

That awesome

[@thomaschristianmeier]

looks good

[@djwadjet]

awesome

[@mrelevenerxi]

dose any one know where to get those stickers he has on the new tr8 ? (if they r stickers!!)that made it look so much better n vintage like tr808 . let us know pls

[@alexanderpeel]

Is that Wes Anderson?

[@Shivotheque]

xD ikr!

[@redirishmanxlt]

Well said.

[@SwissMilk0]

is that a custom tr8 or a new version?