Daemons of Chaos vs Lizardmen Warhammer The Old World Battle Report Ep 6

[@vitrebrov]

Shout out to cameraman who plays the game, tracks the rules, helps opponent, comments everything and shoots the video.

[@jacksenization]

with that mustache, he should've played the Empire

[@carminebattista3249]

Underrated comment

[@bzilla8566]

Counts as light armour.

[@Angeloflight444]

@@carminebattista3249I was about to comment the exact same thing 😁

[@lsdbaby]

Great batrep guys! Absolutely loving the Old World content. One thing that I've not seen used in any battle report is the Evade special rule for Lone Characters (p.206). If a Lone Character is pursued into by another unit it can make an initiative check to move out of the way. It makes Lone Characters much safer next to battleline scrums and might have saved that skink priest!

[@buzz0783]

Soul Grinder and Keeper are Behemoths so get the Lumbering rule which means they get +1 combat res for Close Order

[@rikusvolschenk6476]

Awesome report , thanks guys. Love me some Lizardmen games. Those yellow dice must be loaded...crazy good saves from the Demons player. I would have rated a Carnosaur charge into the Soulgrinder rather, he chomps with his multiple wounds D3..

[@fillosov96]

I would be curious to see an analysis on the saves, they were crazy good. In one turn he saved like 7 wounds.

[@armageddonbound]

I hate those chessex style dice, especially with a special 6 face. They are horribly balanced.. The demon player rolled way too many 6's

[@danieljp9694]

First time watching Luka? Those yellow dice in his hands are crazy.

[@wiggywhooty3271]

Hell yeah, two of my favorite oldworld armies in one video.

[@jy8081]

Pretty sure demons don't get wards on magic weapons like the one the old blood had. So I think at least 1 combat should have gone differently than it did.

[@lukapavicevic335]

This is true! I didn't catch that about Daemons until afterwards unfortunately! 🙃

[@hobbywrecker5346]

Heads up: I think y'all have been getting the skirmishers and panic rule wrong. Skirmishers don't cause panic to ranked units if they run through them, but otherwise cause panic as normal: "Skirmishers & Panic Skirmishers cause panic in friendly units as normal should they be annihilated or Break and flee, as described on page 160. Skirmishers cause panic in friendly Skirmishers if they flee through them as normal. However, Skirmishers do not cause panic in formed friendly units of any type (be they Close Order, Open Order and so on) that they themselves flee through."

[@hobbywrecker5346]

Ope, it got addressed later in the video

[@shriborg9115]

54:10 should the seekers have died from demonic instability? They lost by 3, rolled a 6 for 9 total, leadership 7 = 2 wounds?

[@JesLazarus]

The "Herold" is the GW Masque model. Got one in my collection.

[@Nero24200]

If you guys are looking for easy Locus conversions an easy way is to take a Alluress model (or even using any spare "Herald" models from a chariot kit) and giving them the larger banner you get with the seekers. The banner stands out pretty sharply (even more so if the unit they're with has an icon rather than another banner) and the size difference makes them very noticeable as a herald. It requires little work and does the job of making them stand out. Though the catch is that you likely only have the parts if you're already buying a ton of Slaanesh stuff anyway, since the ideal uses spare chariot models/seeker parts.

[@Goryus]

The new rules are a little weird, but I think that unit of plaguebearers is technically in marching formation, and as such cannot legally charge or claim rank bonuses.

[@DrVitoti]

absolutely, that extra mini in the back should not have been put there

[@detorrV2]

Luka, if it was his first game you could have been a good friend and tell him the carno charge was a suicide xD

[@lukapavicevic335]

Hah! This might have been my 3rd or 4th game! I had no real clue what anything was capable of, also a little unsure of the rules at this point as well.

[@Scarvetcowboy]

Major error in this game, you have no ward saves against magical attacks with Daemons. There were like 20 saves in the video you never should have rolled and that Carnosaur probably would never have run away. You also missed he is Close Order which would have made him win the first combat in the first place. Page 30 in the Daemons rulebook for the ward saves. Also those cold one riders would have gotten to reform after they ran down the Seekers. Could have been a very big flank charge on the Daemonettes. Page 157 main rulebook.

[@cp1cupcake]

1:15:00 Lore characters can run to the side when someone tries overrunning to them I think. Page 206.

[@lukapavicevic335]

This is true!! This was recorded before I realised that things such as the Slann and bigger things still counted as "Infantry"!

[@OldZean]

Nice terrain heavy table. Love it

[@claycountryxwing10]

Having watched several reports now. Any army with really low initiative that doesn't charge just doesn't win in combat. Can they just go for maximum ranks and highest armour and hope!

[@CalebKND]

Where are those pillars from damn amazing

[@EmpireFanatic]

Wouldnt the saurus cavalry kill the deamonettes at the end? He had 1 turn left no?

[@lukapavicevic335]

Potentially! Timestamp? This was pretty early on in the learning of The Old World, so a bit iffy on the rules still.

[@EmpireFanatic]

@@lukapavicevic335 Hi Luka, Nothing wrong with the rules in this instance. Its just you said, we dont have to worry about my turn 6. Essentially you skipped your last turn. His Saurus Cav was in combat with your Deamonettes on the bridge that last turn which you skipped. You prolly would have held out though, so nvm. Timestamp: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYSrfoeZeZp3e68si=m_NAU9TEFYtdjVkn&t=5410 1:30:10 and the next 20 seconds or so.

[@mystictirend1222]

Fyi, small thing: When you pursue an enemy unit, you stop as soon as you catch them even if you rolled higher. At that point you can LD test to reform.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

Lizardmen are also Aquatic on many of their models they ignore Rivers and lakes i cant wait to see that in action whit a lake where the Lizardman can charge thru the lake

[@BadDecisionDinosaur89]

EDIT: Whoops! A Keeper of Secrets is actually a behemoth, my bad! 46:16 I believe that Keeper of Secrets is a Lone Character, and counts as skirmishing, thus allowing him to have a 360 charge arc. Also, I don't believe removing knights from both sides of the unit was actually legal!

[@detorrV2]

only infantry and cav are lone characters

[@lukapavicevic335]

True on removal of wounds!

[@wolfgangweber9359]

I think you might have missed that a lot of single monsters also have the close order rule.

[@13Lictor]

Anyone know the best movement tray for Bloodcrushers?

[@lukapavicevic335]

The Forge will have the answer to that question very shortly! Currently an STL to solve that is being worked on.

[@buzz0783]

Great batrep. Just to point out, the KOS has 6 attacks, +1 for Many Arms, not 8 inc Many Arms

[@rilbomb]

Why no overkill on the Herald?

[@Svejir]

Was gonna ask that too. Was a challenge not issued? Should be one for each unsaved wound which was 4, the carnosaur killed 3 including stomps. Chaos side did 2 wounds, had a banner, and 2 ranks. They would have lost combat by two. 42:33 Also, no Daemonic saves against the Old Blood's Sword of Might since it's magical attacks, not that it mattered in this scenario.

[@dariomartinez5214]

It wasn't a challenge, and therefore the herald only counts as 2 wounds for resolution. Notice that if he had offered the challenge, both the carnosaur attacks and the stomps would have also had to be allocated to the herald. And no deamonettes could have attacked either.

[@AngryLemon19]

The crystal pillar actually fully denied the Herald from being part of the game what a play. also the rolls were WILD this game

[@JohnPC00]

How is this man not playing Empire with a moustache that big?

[@shriborg9115]

Unless I've missed something, from the core rules pg 337 Limitations & Uniqueness - "In addition, a model can only purchase one magic item from each category." So no double arcane item for the slaan?

[@lukapavicevic335]

Might have missed that one for John's list! Sorry! We were still a bit iffy at the game around the production of this video, and it was John's first time making a list!

[@TheLloydro]

You guys are killing it recently.

[@bzilla8566]

Great battle report! Thanks guys.

[@jondorrough7914]

Heya, what's the turnaround time on trays these days? Put in an order a little while ago and haven't heard anything. Armies are looking great.

[@lukapavicevic335]

I believe it takes about 2-3 weeks to print and ship. The Forge website is a bit clearer when you go to order, I don't know that side all too well. You can contact support for a superior answer as well😅.

[@SuperAKJR]

Y'all forgot about the banners when scoring VPs at the end. I think they used to be worth 100 in one of the editions.

[@Nakai_the_Wanderer]

Magic kept the keeper at bay, but only with the unlucky dice on the Keeper's part. Neither getting the pillar nor the Monsoon removed with a level 4 wizard is really something. How would you deal with a Keeper that could actually remove the pillar?

[@GuCaMiniatures]

Couldn't the poor skinks stand and shoot on the Keeper of Secrets charge? Maybe they could have deal some wounds to him...her...it? Great battle reports. As always. ❤

[@toros7983]

That Masque model is the new official miniature not of any other brand as far as I can tell.

[@stoephil]

Aren't the plaguebearers in marching column (and thus unable to charge) in this battle ?

[@karl-johanv.jensen3659]

I believe so. But they *should* have lost a single wound in a round of combat. Just a weird outlier they didn't lose any wounds in 2 rounds of combat.

[@lukapavicevic335]

Oops! A definite oversight during the list building for the unit's size!

[@friendofyoda5194]

I have a question for Lizardmen players, even though it didn’t come up here: Does the Giant Bow of a Stegadon fire at the BS of a Skink Chief if taken as a mount?

[@philipguba2396]

Great battle report. Quick question about the movement trays, are these 3d printed or are these something I can buy. Like so many others I have armies that have the old bases and these seem great to be able to use AoS on Old World.

[@miniwargaming]

Both. You can buy the digital files and print them yourself or you can buy them already printed by us. Https://miniwargamingforge.com

[@editor2766]

If you are on the fence I just got my first batch in hand and they are very nice.

[@philipguba2396]

@@miniwargaming - Thanks! I'll have to get some!

[@philipguba2396]

@@editor2766 - Thanks man. I just think they are so damn handy overall

[@TheBE730]

Nice and clear bat rep, Steve is very enthusiastic but hard to follow sometimes

[@FluteGnome]

Need more old world. Nothing but old world, 24/7 365 days a year!

[@saltyodinson1481]

Question, when the plaguebearers won combat against the Saurus, shouldn’t the saurus auto flee as they lost to a fear causing unit that outnumbers them? Apologies if this is incorrect, I was under the impression that was how fear works these days

[@lukapavicevic335]

That is how Fear used to work back in 6th/7th! This edition it only matters if the enemy unit has double your unit's Unit Strength, without fear being a factor. This is also after the unit that lost the combat fails their Break Test. Fear is a bit of a hybrid between 8th edition's Fear and 5th+.

[@saltyodinson1481]

@@lukapavicevic335 oh… sounds like fear doesn’t really do anything anymore then ha ha! I thought in 6th if you won combat regardless of outnumbering then your opponent auto broke. It’s been a loooong time though, I must be remembering wrong ha ha

[@lukapavicevic335]

Fear is definitely a lot weaker than 5th-7th. Though honestly it was far too strong in that stage! We would always joke that every game was one bad fear check away from suddenly ending, no matter how far ahead you are!@@saltyodinson1481

[@AnHourOfWolves]

So a few other cha bels are experimenting with line hammer. That is, since the rules stipulate that the entire front rank gets to fight regardless of base to base contact, a wide frontage will give an incredible advantage. It looks like you all are just running sixth or eighth edition unit widths… what’s the deal?

[@cormacgeraghty1710]

Can you link to these battle reports? I've yet to see anyone play a game proving its overpoweredness and so it would be nice to see these battle reports rather than just be linked to channels just talking about it.

[@lukapavicevic335]

The extra long line is some odd myth going around, no one is actually playing it as far as I can tell!

[@JamesTillmanjimthegray]

love these old world videos

[@00Kuja00]

I like that Locus stack with Infernal Favour, not so much that they don't get re-rolls on Break/Ld tests.^^*

[@bobmylan9434]

Great battle report guys 🫶

[@piotrskodowski7544]

Bring out more Old world!

[@EmpireFanatic]

Stand and shoot on the skinks? Also the skink champion should have struck back (woulndt have mattered prolly though :) )

[@shriborg9115]

keeper may have been within its movement range and thus can't stand and shoot, IMO this is why you take jav's for the quick shot and shields.

[@jacktackett9811]

Carnisaur has close order! Even though it is only 1 model

[@savagex466-qt1io]

So what's the difference between Old World and Age of Sigmar ? Is it just the bases and the armies ?

[@SSBBcore]

Movement phase is very different.

[@PickBit]

Uh? How did an Empire captain end up playing Lizardmen? And where did he leave his greatsword? I mean not that he needs it too much, I bet that epic mustache gives at least a 2+ ward

[@MachineTeen]

Love the fight. 1 Thing You only get +1 Imitative for each inch you move during charges (max +3 front attack). (Follow up is not considered a charge. You didn't do that but just stating it. =) )

[@warkatwargaming2358]

Loving you guys doing this. Proper inspired me to get my TK done

[@nemo-no-name]

Awesome game :)

[@drdiscostu]

Why no stand and shoot on the skinks on thr keeper? 20 blowpipes would have taken off a wound or two

[@drdiscostu]

I would have loved to see the carno take on th soul grinder with his D3 wounds Also - I really love the armour of meoteric iron. Less points then silver and it actually would have won you the first round of combat against the demons!

[@drdiscostu]

Just finished it. Great game. I don't know much about the daemons but I definitely felt that tie/win with the first carno combat changed the game and with slight optimisation on the magic items it would not have happened. And spears on the Saurus! I thought the lizardmen player for his second game did an exceptional job using spells to control distance, although i think the keeper missed a chance to charge.... skirmishers can charge 360 surely lone characters can? Lastly, fantastic to see cold ones doing well. A lot of people are very negative on them because of their massive cold blood/stupid nerf but this shows they are still solid.

[@nomekopcards7376]

can you really put vortex's on top of each other?

[@yordanpetrovski2793]

great report

[@AllbinP]

Go Deamons!

[@goforitpainting]

Cool as always 👍

[@Obscureminator]

Is anybody worried about Blaxil's take on linehammer?

[@lukapavicevic335]

Not at all! I am rather confident that would never be an efficient way to play.

[@Scheduledd]

Ethereal Slann against Daemons all with magic attacks? Okay.

[@AlexAyliffe]

Yes more old world

[@dannywilliams1279]

Anybody else get the feeling Luka has rigged dice? 😅

[@sevenayashinedown1283]

That keeper of secrets is wild looking.

[@Gonicksomestuff]

That's the old model :)

[@00Kuja00]

From 97-98. One of my first miniature as a kid. ^^

[@lukapavicevic335]

Right?!

[@GilthosDrakoniss]

👍👍

[@paulbruyneels2617]

I dont think the slan mage priest is worth his points

[@CLAREROMVoid]

Mind Razor is useless xD

[@idiotproofdalek]

The Soulgrinder really annoys me. Basically a 40k kit retconned to make fantasy players buy it too. It doesn’t match with anything else in the game!

[@buzz0783]

Except War Lightning Cannon, Ratling Gun, Steam Tank, Skull Cannon, Iron Daemon, Hell Cannon, etc etc 😂

[@skarnak1]

swiftstride also adds 3 inches to the charge, so essentially swiftstride adds a bonus of D6+3 inches.

[@Niveel3d]

Nop. You have 3 inches to the maximum distance to check if you are in charge range. But you only add a 1d6 to the movement

[@kempo79]

Please, rebase your armies.

[@schlatta-dirtydeeds9351]

No

[@jaydude2002]

Why when the movement trays make it the same?

[@Muraljenkins]

How do the circles impact this battle? Nothing wrong with conversion trays dude

[@robertchmielecki2580]

The moment you fancy changing formation (to form a line for example) it may become a problem. But yes, most of the time it's irrelevant for infantry blocks that don't do that much.

[@kempo79]

@@Muraljenkins 1. round 32mm bases are too big and give you an advantage against template weapons. 2. it looks terrible.