Lizardmen Legacy PDF Breakdown I Warhammer the Old World

[@BeanMitch-d4u]

I'm printing up my army. In addition to One Page Rules, I'm also using Dragon's Lake Miniatures. 49:24

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

I have not heard of dragons lake miniatures I’ll have to check them out!

[@TheBossGrand]

I know this is late but the cool thing about that complicated kroxigor skill is that they can be placed within skink sqrimishers so you can use the skinks as shields to move into place

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

I’ve learned so much about the lizardmen since making this video I almost feel dumb about half of my hot takes 😆

[@chunkycornbread4773]

Printing one page rules models and painting them as I listen to this lol. The models look great.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

I love one page rules minis! Their empire are fricken awesome to paint.

[@marylacroix6649]

Always enjoy your videos

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Thank you I’m honestly having a ton of fun with these

[@mathewkelly9968]

30:00 the keywords in swarms are Wounds and Unbreakable

[@sirazid5950]

Hey ! Thank you for the video, as a lizardmen player myself it gave me a few ideas :) Another combo with the hero saurus on cold blood, make him a battle bearer standard and give him the banner in skaven skin, giving frenzy to your cold one unit, giving +1A to both saurus AND cold one, if you have a troglodon which use its roar when they charge, that's over 50 attacks for a 6 miniatures unit !!! To be fair I am a bit skeptical with the slann in TOW, it cannot join a unit anymore whereas a lot of buf spell are now casted directly on the wizard and its unit, and lizardmen already have magic damages thanks to machine of gods and solar engine (which are also useful in close combat). I'm not sure the slann can justify its 400 points cost in every battle now... Also a few mistakes I noted in your vid : * stegadons are a rare choice, it's the bastiladon that can be taken as a special choice (yes the time when you could take an entire army of steg is over sadly) * your son's army is unfortunately illegal because a lizardmen army MUST have at least 1 unit of saurus warrior, and temple guards are a different unit (this also mean full skinks is illegal now)

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Ya know that is pretty sad that you can’t run an all skink list! I really appreciate you pointing this mistakes out. It helps me as a channel! Also right the Troglodon is supreme but the carnosaur looks really cool. I think in terms of list building now that I’ve gotten a bunch of games in I would hardcore change how I build a list give how things I didn’t see validity with I do now.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Hey everyone update to schedule this Sunday! Dark elves will be dropping next Wednesday orcs and goblins will be dropping.

[@toros7983]

Apparently the steg does add toughness and wounds to chiefs and priests btw.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Thank you for letting me know! It helps having a second pair of eyes!

[@toros7983]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 I've been told a good combo is chief + steg for the +2 wounds and tough for just 45pts. Additionally depending on if your annal about the rules as written them the chiefs ballistic skill also improves the bow/blowpipes.

[@toros7983]

*Technically only the Stegadon itself can fire the bow/pipes so it's impossible* but that should get faq'd because it's insane.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

@@toros7983 dude that seems like a decent combo. Honestly lizard men have always been an army I was interested in! Low key the Steg is a cool looking mini, but with those rules it makes it really desirable.

[@toros7983]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 warriors and Stegs are my childhood lol. First kits I ever got were the ones for 7th.

[@GarmrKiDar]

Something I'd like to mention about the Shield of the Mirrored Pool: it already existed in 6th, and it worked a little differently but in a similar spirit. When the wielder's unit would be targeted by a magic missile, the shield would deflect it back to the caster on a 4+. Back then, rules were written with the notion that some information about your army would not be disclosed to your opponent: you weren't supposed to tell them about things like hidden assassins and fanatics, and also about what magic items you had. However, I feel like this shield has always been more useful as a deterrent than as a gotcha; there's units that have high value but comparatively low wounds count and that you don't want to be picked apart by magic missiles (cold ones, oldblood on carnosaur), so sticking the shield on a character in that unit makes your opponent think twice before targeting them. The TOW version doesn't look as good, as the requisite of needing to lose a wound to trigger makes it only really viable for dinosaur riders, but it can still be a decent deterrent for those characters.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

@@GarmrKiDar how do you feel about lizardmen in the old world as compared to 6th Ed?

[@GarmrKiDar]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 I admittedly don't play TOW, I've been following content on KZbin and reading the rules but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet. With this premise, it looks like a mixed bag to me. Slann not being able to join units isn't great and is a big loss of theme. The changes to Cold-Blooded, combined with the fact that an Oldblood is still only Ld8, sounds pretty rough for people who want an oldblood general. On the plus side, monsters in general seem to be more viable, thanks to stomps and some extra survivability. The charging rules also make our slow assault infantry look a bit better than it did back then. Also, the scar veteran is looking really nice, with T5 and the option to ride carnosaurs. Saurus have lost some options (they used to be more customizable with blessed spawnings), but their base armour save has improved, and between t hat and obsidian blades, it looks like they've come out well from the armour rebalancing. Cold ones are also much punchier (2A instead of one), though they're gonna need it given that there's more static resolution modifiers now. Also of course there's some options that came out in 7th or 8th and we didn't have in 6th, so in general we have a bigger roster. Ripperdactyls, Bastiladons, Razordons, Troglodons, engine of the gods, those are all new toys compared to 6th. So are soem other smaller things - for example the option to put a skink chief on a terradon or ripperdactyl, which makes those flying units potentially a lot punchier. Overall, my outsider impression is that some of the classic units have become slightly more viable (monsters look better, offensive infantry seems more viable), and there's more units on top of that, so there can be some more diversity in composition. For example, now it looks like one could run a lot of big dinosaurs at once. However we have lost a lot of the variety there was in things like magic items and sacred spawnings, and both our lord options seem to have lost something along the way.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

@ I completely agree with your assessment. I do play old world but I’m a 6th Ed guy with massive games in the 8th ed system. I have always wanted to do lizardmen. I think the force org allows to keep cost down at the sacrifice of maybe a good list. It seems like infantry took a massive hit this edition, but I like how combat work and hate that magic phase is gone. It didn’t need to be like 8th but I would have preferred magic like 6th Ed. Idk I’m just a dude in the internet

[@GarmrKiDar]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 ah man I definitely agree. It feels weird that they would simplify magic to the extent of removing the whole resource management aspect to it and the classic lores in the name of streamlining, and then made combat resolution and special rules more complex in the same stroke, and the 'fall back in good order' and other break variants seem to make the game slower and grindier.

[@warpaintjj]

Second watch of this episode, really good. Swarms & skinks I think definitely have their place. Monster Mash looks interesting too 🤔

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

You’re not wrong honestly next week I’ll be revisiting things I would change in these videos

[@mathewkelly9968]

9:16 on what planet would not getting magic missiles cast at say your guy on a Carnosaur not be worth 40 points ?

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

It retrospect I agree now that I have more games under my belt. Also I don’t understand why they would do it either TBH it’s such an easy army for someone to go out and buy.

[@mathewkelly9968]

Probably one of the easiest armies to buy , why they went Legacy with them is mysterious

[@KegAndKrow]

A great video as always. One of my friends plays Lizardmen. Hopefully I’ll get to see them in action soon.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

I think they are going to kick butt

[@dlewdm]

You have the drop rocks rule incorrect. It’s not d3 for each model they fly over. It’s d3 for each model of terradon riders you have in your unit. So 3 terradons would do 3d3 S4 hits

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Thank you very much for letting me know. That makes it even dirtier.

[@pixeledcore8552]

Did I miss something, in your 1K list you said you only have 15 temple guard for core, don't you have to have 1 unit of Warriors no matter what?

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Yeah it was a mistake on my end

[@friendofyoda5194]

Can Apotheosis (Lore of Lustria) heal unit champions? E.g Kroxigor gaining terror = great.

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Hey sorry it took a min. I pulled up the rules on a character and champion and I don’t believe you’re able to cast on a champion also when you pay for the champion they are a unit upgrade champions are on pg 199& characters are on pg 202 and it specifies that they get a key word of character in their bracket I hope I was able to help!

[@Einarrovsky]

Great! May we have dark elves next? :D really cannot decide between the two :D

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Honestly yeah I can try to get them done by this Saturday instead of skaven or vamps.

[@Einarrovsky]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 Up to you my man, no pressure :D

[@SSBBcore]

You just got a sub from a Lizardmen fan!

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Thank you very much and welcome to the channel!

[@benjaminwilliams3168]

Why not split the downside and take Hide of the cold ones plus wizard hat whilst riding a cold one! You can't be double or triple stupid right?

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Ya know you’re not wrong and to be honest a level 1 wizard and +1 armour save would be pretty legit!

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

the difference between saurus warriors and temple guard is weapon skill; tg are ws4

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

You are 100% right idk how I messed that up tbh thank you!

[@lesbianmorgoth652]

@@tabletoptyrant9573 haha it happens! sometimes all the numbers and words mix together lol

[@gimiak]

Maybe you could do Orcs & Goblins as the next video?

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Believe me they are on the list. I am running orcs and gobs and I absolutely love them! What I can do is do dark elves this fri since I already gave someone my word and on Tuesday I’ll have the O&G up for the channel!

[@OptimisticShepard-gg3fm]

I love this video 😃👍

[@tabletoptyrant9573]

Thank you very much! That means a lot!