The Motorsport That Killed Its Own Fans..

[@DailyFuelUp]

Tried something new, your feedback is more than welcome! & if you wanna see more Motorsport content (not just F1), lmk what I should cover next 👇

[@morgandobbins6079]

your videos are very well put together, you deserve more subscribers!!!❤❤

[@Allstarhero8900]

Maybe make a video about group c racing

[@naptime43x]

barbie jeep racing, or maybe the Baja 500/1000. that is still pretty wild with spectators and what not.

[@pranijshrestha8774]

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[@enzotomasoni9133]

Can you make a video about Formula E?

[@phil4986]

"Don't want to get hit, don't stand on the track." "Where is the track?" "Anywhere you stand."

[@notyourusualsuspect6175]

The track is on the road, bro. That dark strip in front of you.

[@Mr_blut]

It’s a joke cill

[@berke2336]

The fact that there weren't MORE spectators hit is honestly kinda impressive.

[@THERHINOFORZA4]

True the drivers were insane

[@Stettafire]

​@@THERHINOFORZA4Spectors too. Some of them were jumping out of the way. Like, WHY ARE YOU IN THE ROAD!!

[@Tkdriverx]

I guess that shows just how talented the drivers of this era were, being able to avoid them when they were that close

[@chrisccc22]

I would have to agree. Amazing actually.

[@mathewhosier9739]

The only ones that died were suicidal anyways, they kinda had it coming

[@edwarddevlin6034]

The cars were on the limit, the fans were just fuckin stupid for the most part

[@kaplislemesis4789]

the cone constant with humans. Guns dont kill people nor do cars, but say that to the stupids

[@muntTV]

​@@kaplislemesis4789 yeah seems a shame they stopped it. Plus there's so many of us anyway it doesn't really matter if we willingly put ourselves in danger and perish at least we got some fun.

[@stevenblack7928]

Part of the charm of the eighties, No one told you what to do or what not to do.

[@stevenblack7928]

@@kaplislemesis4789 Part of the charm of the eighties, No one told you what to do or what not to do.

[@bluebelle8823]

As I saw an F1 representative say about the 1994 season, "It's business. Nothing personal." Group B was definitely using the same mindset. It's always fantastic to see drivers using their conscience and saying "no I can't do that, I will not do that'.

[@V120kV]

Group B rally was a very good example of the darwin award. The people being killed were standing IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK! Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[@tumslucks9781]

Thank you Captain Obvious. 🫡

[@V120kV]

@tumslucks9781 no problem!😁

[@BlorkTDork]

And now we get NASCAR very safe circles

[@V120kV]

@@BlorkTDork yes, VERY SAFE!

[@ZrusoEruption]

​​@@tumslucks9781seems like it wasn't obvious for the spectators *cough**cough*

[@sugarpolecat4781]

I rememeber an interview from group B drivers and navigators and they were like: "we have to imagine the spectators are trees, otherwise it would be impossible to drive". Shit's crazy, but I loved Group B - the most insane drivers and cars.

[@jordantruong305]

The craziest part is that the drivers WANTED more rules for safety when normally rules ruin everything

[@williamford9564]

22:07: There is evidence that Toivonen was physically and mentally exhausted, both by the length of that particular rally as he says in a few seconds, plus from the grind of the entire season. But he felt he couldn't ask for time off during the season as the team probably would not allow it. At the crash scene, there are conflicting accounts as to whether there were tire marks on the road at the corner where the car went off, indicating a skid, or no tire marks. If it is the latter then it is possible he blacked out from sheer exhaustion and lack of sleep and the car totally missed the corner.

[@mrkipling2201]

He was also suffering from the flu, or getting over the flu, which was also a factor in the crash apparently. I believe that. A prime Toivonen wouldn’t have crashed, I don’t think. Or an unimpaired Toivonen.

[@juhaetelaniemi7532]

Other Finnish drivers from those years (I think Salonen at least) has confirmed there was no skid marks. In a Finnish sports documentary made in 2017, Salonen went on to say something along the lines of "we all knew that turn where Henri crashed, it was a dangerous one, the last one in a series of three hard left turns, after which the road turned away (meaning there was nothing but the hillside where Toivonen crashed). We know for certain, that the last turn was marked for all of us in the notes with "varo, perkele" (Finnish for "watch out, god damnit"). And as we saw that there was no tire marks, that Henri hadn't used the brakes... I've come to think in his mind he might have still be driving that second left turn, and not the one he actually was driving."

[@therickman1990]

It's a chicken and egg story really. Group B was so popular it attracted insane amounts of people, and that same popularity eventually killed it.

[@jcngokai-76]

Outside of Isle of Man TT race, Group B is the most dangerous racing series of all time, no rules on materials that constructs a car, no safety barriers for both cars and fans, anything goes … and then Fonseca Island event happened in 1986 (same year that Space Shuttle Challenger, Chernobyl, and my own maternal grandmother were lost)

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

No fans with brains. No crowd control.

[@just.a.jester8233]

I'm sorry about your grandma

[@TMcKeon408]

Group B aka: the "hold my beer" of motorsports.

[@brianwong7285]

To quote the series' last driver's champion, Juha Kankkunen: WRC is for boys, Group B was for men.

[@makimaxx2311]

What a comment😂😂😂

[@grunchlk]

The hold-my-beer-guys usually don't kill anyone but themselves.

[@c3gfboy7]

@@brianwong7285 and one very fast woman.

[@iamthelaw69]

The fans weren't killed. They volunteered to be bowling pins.

[@Dexter037S4]

WRC didn't even come close to losing popularity following 86', it continued to Grow. Spectators were regularly an issue until Loeb won 9 straight titles.

[@Mighty.Titan1]

16:03 This is Sierra Cosworth of Marian Bublewicz (R.I.P). The footage is from February 1993!

[@maciejgajoch1774]

At 16:01 Ford Sierra of Polish best driver Marian Bublewicz.Fatal accident at 1993 Dolnoslaski rally.After hit the tree,Marian was locked in cockpit for almost 1 hour.There was no equipment to cut the roll cage.I still remember this horror.Unfortunatelly Marian died in hospital after few hours.That was a real tragedy for Polish motorsport.We all loved him.

[@superbanaan9]

whats crazy is it wasnt out the ordinairy to find bodyparts in the car after the race like servered fingers etc because air ducts cut them of people trying to touch cars going fast

[@ak-jxrdy-7]

Yep, I remember a story about fingers found on the windshield wipers.

[@Quickdraw_Punslinger]

World's most dangerous motorsport? Who should tell him about road racing and the Isle of Man TT races? Great video though, can't wait to see more.

[@DailyFuelUp]

Guess I’ll have to make another one then 👀

[@Stettafire]

Isle of Mann TT series is very dangerous, but nowhere near as bad.

[@Quickdraw_Punslinger]

@@Stettafire It can be discussed considering one is with cars and the other one are motorcycles. But as a TT marshal who's been a first responder at a major incident I can assure you road racing is a strong contender for the title.

[@darklord9581]

But how many pedestrians/by standers die in isle of the man? I know drivers have for sure, but have no knowledge of anyone spectators passing away.

[@Dr1ftLegend]

Isle of man TT isn't a motorsport but a race

[@Bryce-z9v]

Great Channel! A photographer friend of mine copped a flying rock that deleted both his testicles. Trying to cheer him up I suggested ' at least it didn't hit your camera'?

[@christianellegaard7120]

Groups A, B, and C weren't just for Rallying. The system was made to attract more manufactures to all a FIA's sports car categories. The problems were primarily in Rally, however.

[@Ben_the_Rosafan]

Thanks!

[@DailyFuelUp]

Thank you Ben 🙏❤️

[@SA4LIFE]

I swear you're the best motorsport channel on youtube mate.

[@DailyFuelUp]

Appreciate it mate❤️

[@Tripsaas01]

Over 4 hours of this kind of driving per day is crazy stupid. Great job FIA 👍

[@someoneyouknow0n0]

Gotta love the videos, absolutely well done man!❤

[@DailyFuelUp]

Appreciate it mate ❤️

[@Aikisbest]

I never understand how people can be so negligent with safety sometimes...

[@Cs3ka]

I was always a rally fan but got into formula 1 because of you, and Im so happy you made this video!

[@juanitooctavio9023]

Any motorsport would be dangerous when the spectators are standing ON the track! I remember those rallies. Insane drivers and suicidal spectators.

[@BlueSkyCrystals]

11:22 Jean Todt, the greatest team principal of all time. He turned Peugeot into a juggernaut in rallying and hill climbs, then turned Ferrari into a juggernaut in F1.

[@AsherTisor]

1:04 the scary part is more spectators died than the drivers in the 170mph cars going down dirt trails

[@SovietAlexMent]

I remember my dad telling me he met Walter rolh in 1983 acropolis if I remember correctly, pretty cool, I love group b especially the Audi Quattro s1 e2

[@TheOfficialOrbitz]

It always a good day when dfb uploads!

[@DailyFuelUp]

Appreciate it mate❤️

[@Arandomcat7]

My grandad used to be a group b rally marshall

[@dukezFRL]

thats sick

[@ReneMadsen-ky3bh]

Keep up your amazing videos and yes group b was the most dangerous motorsport of all time no rules no crowd control and im impressed more deaths didnt happen

[@ColvinBlog]

I seen this whole story ages ago on another channel, but I love the whole group b thing, this video was pretty emotional for me, more so then the first video I seen on this, nice job, always love inspirational stuff such as this, shame the crowds and lack of some safety rules ruined everything

[@therealsyxx]

This video is hilarious and informative at the same time. Thank you

[@updates2549]

More unique content.. Well done!

[@DailyFuelUp]

❤️

[@martinpattison1567]

Crowd control in some events was non-existent, there were not enough Marshalls and it wasn't easy to find more trained and qualified marshalls. When the Course Car drove through the stages and saw the excessive number of spectators the Cleark of the course should have cancelled the stage. This could even mean cancelling the whole event. Group B rallying was spectacular to watch, but, the cars themselves were too fast for a driver to react to what the car was doing. I marshalled the RAC Rally for 20 years (1979-2000) sometimes, I was the only marshal on a corner at 03,00am halfway up a mountain in freezing cold 🥶weather. We had no spectators to worry about. The half bottle of anti-freeze in my pocket for the occasional sip helped. 20 years for a Plastic or Metal badge Martin. (Thailand) 🥵

[@JveerPlayz9000]

Nice video🔥

[@DailyFuelUp]

Thank you brother ❤️

[@kamikazeclaymore]

These home videos are what I was downloading as viral videos during the limewire/kazaa days. Lol Epic racing.

[@eS._Te]

one of the best videos on this topic and youtube !

[@DailyFuelUp]

I really put a lot of time and effort into making this video, nothing makes me happier than reading comments like this❤️

[@mikecochrane803]

The difference between Walter and other drivers was that he only hit the camera. The last world champion in a 2WD car, and THE star of Group B!

[@cschnauz]

If you’re interested in group b Watch the documentary Riding balls of fire

[@bluefrog8670]

Yes, but avoid the porno of the same name.

[@RighteousnessWillPrevail]

That black car at 23:04 flew off in a way that you would think you'd only see in video games. Like some insane physics glitch. Apsolutély frightening.

[@VampyrMygg]

Little nitpick from me in a genuinely good video! I loved it, just found one bit a little funny. :P "With names like Audi," *shows Audi Quattro.* "Opel," *shows Opel Manta.* "Renault," *Shows Renault 5.* "and Citroen." *shows Ford Escort MK2* One is not like the others here. :P

[@Boebus1-hy6gu]

Nice vid

[@kingcobra4814]

Great video 👍

[@DoesNotGiveAF]

I've heard every story, and I've seen all of the footage many times. But I will always watch a recap of the best rallying to ever exist..

[@lexkellytelly1334]

It’s crazy that people are running across the track

[@asdf9890]

I watched these races on TV as a kid back in the 80s. Even then I thought the spectators were absolutely nuts! It does look like a huge awesome party though 🎉🎉. Always wanted a rally type car, they just look cool.

[@garethwilkins6744]

Group B was the "Watch this!" of motorsport.

[@EKk8819]

This is the only sport that was more dangerous for the audience then the professionals!

[@FlashoftheBlades]

Group B and its planned successor, Group S, would probably have been more at home in rallycross. I know that some Group B cars did compete in rallycross after they were banned from the WRC, but making them official rallycross categories would’ve been a better place for them. With rallycross being held on closed circuits that aren’t always as fast as a rally stage, and with the spectators being kept further back from the racing surface, it certainly would’ve been a safer setting. Also, Group A and N were around during the time of Group B, having succeeded Groups 2 & 1, respectively. Those were the mass-produced categories that required a minimum build quantity of 5,000. Groups 3 & 4, the predecessor to Group B, had a lower minimum build quantity. 400 in the case of Group 4. While Lancia did win the 1983 Manufacturers Championship, their drivers didn’t contest every rally that season, clearing the way for Hannu Mikkola to win the Drivers Championship for Audi. Also, it wasn’t just Audi that withdrew from the WRC after Henri Toivonen’s fatal accident. Ford also pulled out in the aftermath.

[@CostelloDamian]

absolute peak of motorsport and motor technology progression

[@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381]

I heard that some cars had such weak structures due to weight savings that they even became unusable because of wear/bending without any accident/crash and that's why most series nowadays have a minimum weight, even UCI legal road bikes must at least have a weight of 6.8 kilograms so that they don't make their frames too weak heightening the risk of snapping. It's worth mentoning that Röhrl had quite a struggle againt the quattros in 1982, he won the championship because Audi had some reliabilty issues. He also did an interesting quote meaning literally "A car is fast then when you're standing in front of it and are afraid of unlocking it!" - I would say this matches great with Group B.

[@cailean59]

First rally I ever watched (not Group b) I thought I was in a safe spot. When a car came out of control straight at me I moved back only to back into a big tree. I was so focused on photographing I hadn't realized I had move in front of it. Fortunately I had just enough time to get behind the tree.

[@anamewhichisnottaken]

Those old Audi Quattros…man what absolute machines!

[@Famous_Mist]

I was in that accident in Portugal, in Sintra, on top of a tree, the track is so short that you didn't have 1 metro to stand... Every year we use to talk about the possibility of a big accident

[@nickllewellin217]

Haha, my cousin is David Llewellin, A group B race in 1986!

[@vincentc3475]

It was more like "suicides" than "kills".

[@bencegeiszler8777]

A driver just died due to lack of safety! FIA response: "Unlucky"

[@amalekedomite]

Everyone who has ever lived has died of lack of safety. Food for thought.

[@midnighttgt1]

Class video👏👏

[@cyberalc]

Just came across your channel its dope af. Why blur out the crashes.

[@djbros_dede300]

KZbin has overly strict guidlines

[@derrick031072]

The Lancia Delta Integrale was a beauty…

[@Lightmaker5]

They're self to blame. Everyone knows that in rally you fight with unpredictable roads. No rally game I remember could simulate this. Suspension can break off, lose your wheels, engine damage that blocks the main wheels etc. And you stand infront of the danger? Self to blame.

[@naptime43x]

this was the first time ive seen one of your videos and it was really good, might have to check out some f1 too.

[@dukezFRL]

imagine if the mid engined quattro were approved, the sport wouldve gotten so much crazier.

[@superyamagucci]

I had one of those Audis but non turbo. Could follow a Hilux anywhere. Missing some ground clearance? Give it some pace. The grip with those Torsten diffs was honestly incredible. And the sound of the 5cyl was great. Wish I still had it.

[@waynelasstt1622]

There was a group of fans that called themselves "MATADORES" and they were trying to touch the cars as they went past it was just crazy. I'm guessing the fingers found would have belonged to more than one of them.

[@UnknownHC]

Imagine thinking you can put barriers on public roads or thinking you could enforce a rule banning people to get so close.

[@johngeren1053]

The Toivonen/Cresto S4 landed tail first. You can tell from photos of the post crash remains when the burned out chassis is on the tow truck.

[@GregorioStyreco]

my mind read " the motorsport that killed only fans..." and i was the luckiest person on earth for a brief moment.

[@obnoxiousnesli]

my best friend is into f1 and she got me invested aswell but i always felt it was "too sterile" for me until I found out about rallye and it's the perfect amount of insanity and chaos that I love 😭

[@softyturtle2324]

Isn't it jusst ironic that i get an ad about racing midway through a video about one of the most dangerous racing competitions?

[@senormojo]

To be honest, it’s the fans that pretty much kill themselves. As tragic as it is.

Even hundreds years later people will talk about group B and how crazy it was 🙃

[@omni201]

If I had to go out, getting biffed by a car and sent to the Group B track in the sky? Wouldn’t be mad.

[@kurtisduke2685]

Something a lot of people may not know is that the Lancia 037 was the only 2 wheel drive car that beat the Audi Quarto.

[@Monkey_D_Luffy56]

Everything is insane the cars, engineers, mechanics, pilot and co pilots, track/stages

[@patrickbuick5459]

I used to assist with Rally. It was insane how many people would queue up where physics would take a vehicle with traction loss or otherwise out of control. More examples of people who cannot think even minimally rationally.

[@Ccidergoob]

and it was amazing. especially with the extra details

[@jakecooper5855]

I don't quite understand how those Group B drivers kept going race after race. To be constantly within metres of killing a group of spectators... How did they have any mental and emotional energy to spare on the race when all you're doing is avoiding people like that.

[@Klarksoniusz]

At 16:03 those are remains of a Sierra Gr. A rally car of an exceptional Polish driver Marian Bublewicz 7 times Polish Rally Champion and 1992 ERC runner up champion who died because of the horrible accident. The emergency services hadn't had the jaws of life in 1993 (astronomicaly expensive in post communist country) so it has considerably lengthen the rescue operation.

[@merhaba8]

The action of the spectators varied from country to country. In New Zealand we never had the crowd issues with Group B that countries like Portugal.

[@just.a.jester8233]

I know you make F1 videos, but I LOVE rally racing

[@mrkipling2201]

Group B was the only time I watched Rallying. It was amazing.

[@locuszin]

ooh new stuff, I love it, anything motorsport, DuelyFuelUp is my favourite channel.

[@brianfreeman8290]

I've been a rally spectator for years. I had zero sympathy with stupid fans.

[@gkcmgk]

All these problems occurred because the regulations were simply inadequate. For example, the fuel tank of the Peugeot 205 was positioned under the driver for better road holding and weight balance distribution. Yes, you read that right, the driver was sitting on the fuel tank. Although the power of the vehicles was shown as 600 hp, it was more than 800 hp, pushing the limits of 1000 hp. And in the 20-minute course, the driver was really using all his power to cope with this beast. Their health was wearing out quite a bit due to excessive water loss. Since the stages were old-style roads with very little protection, when the vehicles went off the road very quickly, unfortunately the only thing that could stop the vehicle was the body of the vehicle. The reason why so many drivers died was that old technology was weak in terms of safety. Even if the vehicle did not kill the driver in a crash, the fire would kill those inside. Fuel tanks were not that advanced and durable. Now there are systems that cut off fuel immediately in a crash. Even the helmets that drivers wore were like bicycle helmets. The only fire protection they had was the masks on their faces, which was enough to save a minute or two. In other words, Group B was actually a period when expert drivers were far ahead of the times and technology, but the vehicles and safety elements destroyed the drivers and the spectators.It was the golden age when real races were held where Group B drivers showed their talent and endurance. If they gave the current cars to the drivers who raced in those years, they would probably complete the course with one hand while sipping their beers.The audience was as crazy as the drivers. They would enter the track and reach out their hands to touch the vehicles passing by at 200 km/h. Everyone was shouting with adrenaline and as the vehicles passed they would get so close to see the driver that sometimes the drivers had to slow down. In short, these wonderful races, which were a mixture of madness and entertainment, unfortunately ended this golden era when it was shining the most due to the lack of rules, inadequate regulations, the vehicles being too powerful and hard, and the uncontrollable greed of mankind. Very beautiful races unfortunately ended because people's sense of entertainment went too far and the deaths of the drivers increased.

[@CJ-yb8uw]

I loved watching these Rallies as kid👍😎

[@bryanpetersen1334]

In today’s world of hyper safety, walking helmets, and less lethal fly swatters, watching these tuned up, airborne cars racing on dirt and snow, and inches from spectators seems refreshing somehow.

[@aspalovin]

The on track fans were the parents and grand parents of tik tokers. You can tell. It's a shame Group B was ruined by morons on the tracks.. Didn't help for the drivers that the cars were rockets made of tin foil though.. Imagine G.B coming back with today's safety equipment and keeping the slime off the racing lines? It would be awesome. Watching those cars perform like that on those surfaces was incredible.. Leave it to the unwashed masses to wreck it.. Group B.onehead

[@sluglow6357]

Always funny watching nerds who sit in their room all day talk about the world is too soft today lol

[@tessabakker662]

@@aspalovin Dude, rallying isn't dead, not by a LONG shot. The FIA still organizes dozens of rallies internationally every year, and with more modern safety equipment and emergency resources being more readily available it's much easier to responsibly enjoy the car-nage. There are now drones in the air that can follow the competitors and catch the action in HD, and for the absolute thrillseekers it's STILL possible to get scary close to the somehow even faster cars of today.

[@critonix_online5977]

0:08 why are there people floating 💀

[@markruth6420]

Group A was in operation at the same time as group B. I lived through this time and my boss at the time was British champion at the time

[@marcoferrai]

Yes group b is special won't see it ever again ♥️

[@deathsteyr]

There's just one rule: SURVIVE(optional)

[@JackF99]

Well done. I believe it's pronounced LAWN-cha not LAN-see-ya

[@ThomasFerner]

"Who lets spectators stand next to cars going 150 MPH "......NO the question IS what INTELLIGENT person WOULD ?......So ban it ?.....But a month later the very same type of "safety conscious " people yell strap up for war boys ...don't worry its " safe " .....Makes no sense to me.

[@valerieleduc386]

Just like the Baja 1000 races.. it's still like this down there till this day..

[@JoJay-YT]

yo love the variety do more of those 🔥🔥

[@jiwik731]

This racing should be revived. It was peak motorsort.

[@Verø.6]

Yea. Just with the difference that theres more safety regarding spectators and drivers

[@peterdevreter]

Michelle Mouton 😍