Damian.

[@flamelover1746]

Something I actually really liked with Damien was his relationship with Dick, who pretty much unconditionally treated him with kindness and respect as an older brother. In turn, Damien grew to respect Dick and view him as an older brother in turn.

[@JackDanielThe7th]

Yup

[@TheReZisTLust]

And he took out that Dick and whipped it about

[@SirpotatoxX]

I agree as well. I think the arc would’ve been better if they had kept Grayson in his Nightwing suit tbh, that’s just me tho

[@flashergoldpower15]

Honestly I hope we get him, Grayson, Jason and Tim in the new animated universe

[@VivBrodock]

@@SirpotatoxX while I haven't seen the movie, in the comics it is made the better for Dick being Batman. First because it follows Battle For the Cowl. with Bruce presumed dead Red Hood takes up the mantle of Batman and begins killing people with it, so Dick who initially refused Alfred fights Jason to preserve their father's legacy. Then in the comic Batman & Robin their dynamic is a play on the original Batman and Robin, when Bruce as Batman was dark and violent Dick as Robin was a reminder to him of why they do what they do, that there is good in the hearts of people. Then as Batman Dick has to impart that same lesson to his Robin, Damian.

[@Small_child_punter]

No father would EVER want their son to jump in front of the bullet for them. Goddamn that hits me where it counts.

[@Lrbearclaw]

The other side of the coin is, how can you not be completely proud? Especially when you remember how that kid was the exact opposite when you met.

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

Never I couldn’t live with myself with a failure of not protecting my mini me

[@yuji5134]

​@@Lrbearclaw the thought of pride would be the last thing to come to mind for most

[@Rebelheart1985]

Bruce probably most horrified and hurt (obviously) but I think deep down he’s also kinda proud. Damian’s come a long way since Son of Batman.

[@Small_child_punter]

@@Justhere377 In what way? To have success and carry on the bloodline? Yeah, thats the point.

[@zyaicob]

The love for Jason O'Mara's Batman is appreciated because he isn't just trying to do what another Batman actor does, he made the character his own.

[@GigaChadh976]

Not much of a character too make his own.

[@SonOfSparda03]

​@@GigaChadh976he had like 6 movies with him as the lead, there was plenty, and he made good with it

[@Rhapsodos_X]

"Every child deserves a father" was never more true than with Damian. Bruce's Robins all accumulated to him become the very thing he lost, a father. And Damian? He grew to be the one thing Batman wasn't capable of, a boy who saves his father

[@DavidElendu]

🤌🏿

[@stopitgetsomehelp.]

Not... really. Bruce has been drifting further and further from any and all emotion since _Dick_ was still Robin. He's terrible with Damian. When Bane killed Alfred with Damian restrained, Bruce couldn't tell Damian that he didn't blame him. Hell, Bruce didn't even stop Damian from running off and going MIA.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Wouldn't say all the Robin's. That's not how tim started out

[@khayamirshad210]

@@stopitgetsomehelp. he did apologize in shadow war

[@OzEtlar]

@@stopitgetsomehelp. It’s a good thing recent comics counter this, now isn’t it.

[@lilymatthews2664]

I loved Damian from the start because he broke the pattern of Robins who idolize Bruce/Batman blindly. Of course he is annoying, but his character growth from an entitled child assassin to a self-sacrificing teen titan was amazing to witness.

[@aysealtn1669]

❤❤❤❤

[@rahn45]

I remember the sentiment people had towards Damien during the earlier movies were all pretty much negative, but as he grew as a character people softened on him. I definitely think that the thing that made people start to like him was when he was interacting with Raven (a long time fan favorite) and how their combined misery made each other feel better for not being alone in it. It's interesting of all the Robins that Damien became the one people viewed as the proper successor to Batman, well aside from Terry; and I think it's because both those characters were able to solve the issue with Batman being lonely with having friends and a life. Though really that's more a testament to how Batman is written: He himself is never allowed to be not alone. Sure Bruce can make friends, but he always consciously or unconsciously pushes them all away; and that's a character flaw that we seldom see him overcome.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Honestly people still hate him but I'm glad he is getting used more. I honestly do think Dick, Terry and Damien are the best ones who should succeed Bruce more then anything.

[@gfilmer7150]

As someone who doesn’t like Damian, it’s a conceptual thing that makes me not like the character. It’s also the fact that he takes the position that Tim Drake perfected. I think a story about Tim giving a matured Damian his blessing to be Robin would be cool and settle whatever problems I have. As for Damian succeeding as Batman, I don’t like as it feels like something monarchal. Tim is a detective so he makes sense as Bruce’s successor and Jason as Batman is just a fascinating story, and could fit well as the end of Jason’s arc. Dick Grayson doesn’t work because he’s so good as Nightwing and him becoming Batman feels like the undoing of his character development.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

I haven't really seen anyone consider him a proper successor.

[@flashergoldpower15]

​@@gfilmer7150well I knew something was missing throughout that whole new 52 animated Universe, it was Tim Drake

[@kap1618]

The issue with Damien isn't him but rather how all the other robins get mistreated in order to make him look good. Its the stereotype of a self insert fan fic.

[@strikermodel]

He's still my favorite Robin. His bratty attitude makes perfect sense for his age and other issues. For some reason he doesn't get on my nerves at all.

[@BilalAzeem]

7:52 bro dropped the hardest damian edit like it was nothing

[@carlothenerd7354]

Damien's journey in this universe was kinda neat but still left some to be desired

[@Unknownyt47]

Yeah, although until justice league vs teen titans he was kinda annoying

[@zaphero5518]

I started off of JLvsTT (or as I like to call it "Teen Titans: Family Demons") on recommendation, skipping all his Batman movies, and my overwhelming reaction was "how the crud is this part of an ongoing continuity with this kid? Damian Wayne's been through at least 3 movies at this point, but this watches like the first story he's been in at the start of a character arc and it lands it in one movie." I was not sold on him as a concept but JLvsTT and Apokolips War really made me like him and delivered on so much together.

[@RyansFine]

​​@@zaphero5518 as someone who watched them in order, I agree Damien doesn't really develop proper until Teen Titans VS Justice League. Even then, I personally didn't like his character until Apocolips War. Not to say I don't like these movies, but Damien was always my least favorite part of them. Still wish we had gotten Tim instead, or tie Red Hood into them somehow. Anything would have been more interesting than Damien

[@guto5285]

​@RyansFine Wdym? His whole arc about learn the difference btw revenge and justice came before this movies

[@Archive_7802]

Agreed.

[@The_Phantasm]

Even though there aren't a lot of animated projects highlighting him could you please make a video about Tim Drake. A lot of people seem to nowadays forget about him despite the fact that he used to be a lot of people's favourite Robin and the presence of Damian (along with dumb writing) has only damaged the character of Tim even more.

[@guto5285]

More like bad writing has damaged Tim character even more.

[@The_Phantasm]

@@guto5285 Definitely that too.

[@gengarfluid]

​@@guto5285 I agree, but they have been loaning Tim's aesthetics to other robins and leaving him out of things since Teen Titans animated. Even the new Batfamily game couldn't even get Tim's visuals right. They either make him look and act nothing like himself if they choose to include him, or they use him as some kind of amalgamation Robin. I just with they'd let him have his own (consistent) identity without loaning his motifs out to everyone else.

[@guto5285]

@GENGARFLUID Yeah, i remember when arkham knights came out and everyone was like " This is Damian or Tim ?" .

[@gfilmer7150]

It’s a combination of a lot of things. Tim Drake was the best Robin, because he was Robin, and once that was given to Damian Tim had nothing DC wrote so many bad arcs with Tim in his post-Robin years

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

honestly damian is one of the best developped characters I've seen in a while, he's progression is one that step by step changes him until he becomes a completely different person, everything about him makes sense, and seeing little by little how he goes from an arrogant brat who thinks that knows better than everyone (which makes sense given his background) to the person he is in apokolipse war, is amazing, and his romance with raven really adds so much to his development and changes

[@DZR-O]

I think when Damian really turned around was when he saw Bruce standing there while he was grieving over Clark and walked up to him slowly and hugged him, bc HE knew his father best so he knew Bruce was really hurting after Clark died in “Death of Superman”

[@F_L_A_S_H22]

Jason Amara is my second behind Kevin Conroy. I actually really like the almost monotone, sarcastic and passive aggressive version of Batman. Don't know why it works but it does.

[@edbaitedyou6955]

I love when he stares and goes “mmmmmmmmm” 😑

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

This is one of the best versions of this character, every time i see him i think "if this Damien, met the injustice Damien, he'd beat the ab solute fuckshit out of that arrogant shit" Because injustice Damien is everything this Damien fought to not be.

[@ShinySephiroth1]

I remember wondering when Damian would be replaced, too. The Robin dynamic in the Batfamily is so interesting.

[@Tuaron]

It's a wonderful roadmap for future iterations of the character (hint hint, Mr. Gunn), really only missing one aspect of Damian that I loved: his Supersons friendship with Jon Kent, though I suppose it wasn't quite as necessary in the movies with Damian in the Titans while the logistics of Supes having a kid just kept it out of the cards.

[@StrawRabbi]

Jon would have been great to add if he was created sooner. This universe would have had Damian and Kon as friends or if it had continued Chris could have been added.

[@michel0dy]

I love Damian. I didn't love him at first, as many people didn't. But seeing him grow, seeing him open up and slowly connect to people around him, it's just so endearing.

[@igiveuponnaming7082]

Damien's character development is actually something you'd love to watch!

[@ellisbkennedy652]

I'll say this, best part about learning to love Damian, is getting even more reason to love Dick, Nightwing remains the golden child

[@goodgrief5578]

I’m the only person in the world who likes Damien as a flawed kid with room to grow in an arc instead being like unproblematic Dick or never given much of a chance Jason.

[@miiamidblu]

I feel the same way. I always loved Damien's character even when he was being difficult.

[@freefall945]

Damien is overhated. Or, hated wrong. Hated from a level that resents disruption in narrative, not hated for actions inside that narrative.

[@alexlents4689]

I’m pretty indifferent to Damian overall, but this universe is the reason I don’t DISLIKE him like most. Also gotta respect they kept the same VA for the entire 6 years, even if that meant puberty would hit and he’d sound totally different by the end, just adds to the sense of growth.

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Damien turned out to be this franchise's biggest breakout star, and Damien x Raven ended up being the ship no one asked for, but everyone needed.

[@iwasagirlineldiadoingalrig7290]

Damian became one of my favorite dc characters.

[@double2254]

I love Damian, he’s easily my favorite DC character and damn every time he is in a story it enhances tenfold… my boy had such an incredible arc in this movie series with him having the most satisfying ending for me

[@mckennalynn1916]

Damian Wayne. I was one of his first supporters. I think he is one of the best if not the best DC Character. Wish Dc would bring him and Raven back together.

[@wesleytraore1465]

I think we can all agree that DC animated movie Damian is better than Injustice Damian.

[@SladeChristian333]

I’m just so glad that people like Pretentious really take the time to dig into this version of DC considering that this entire universe (DCAMU) is mainly about the relationship build-up between Batman, the dark knight and caped crusader and Damian, the annoying brat that acts as the ‘one above many’ who I hated up until I started watching these movies.

[@shawnoleary6031]

You make some very good points about Damian. I'll admit, when he first appeared and many years later, I thought he needed a major attitude adjustment, or go away somehow. I haven't read any comics regularly in about 10 years, so I don't know if he's turned out for the better in comics.

[@kishensukhu2292]

He gets better, although DC keep resetting his development. He just had a huge event centered around him and will be in a Batman and Robin series towards the end of the year.

[@EonStormcrow]

@@kishensukhu2292 Right! Dude was doing sooooooo well! Then they reset him with that hidden prison thing in Teen Titans and it just... ugh... I get that characters in comics cannot really age/change out of their designated roles per se, but this, along with the aging up of Jon has got to be some of lowest lights in recent DC storytelling.

[@khayamirshad210]

@@EonStormcrow well right now in comic he had really good run by joshua williamson

[@monicaavgust7625]

Now this child wants to take a break from Robin and go to study at a medical institute. He previously worked as a volunteer at the hospital.

[@TheEpicChris50]

I was one of the people who I absolutely hated Damien when he first showed up (especially in this universe), but I gotta say he really did make an impact on me, I enjoyed his character and growth. I come back to this video whenever I’m feeling down, it’s really “innocent” in a way

[@l8studios_]

I love this DCAMU content and hope for it to continue. Always a great video from Implicitly Pretentious

[@raziathar6021]

alright, I'll say it, 99% of people who hates Damian is most likely because they've only seen the Injustice version and the bad side of him instead of looking into his good side.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Here’s hoping Gunn can realize the full potential of Damien Wayne.

[@majintv24]

Different stories make him more or less likeable. The injustice damien is rough to watch but in the injustice comics(maybe injustice 2 comics idr) theres a flashback of batman dropping him off deep into gotham with 1 goal and no rules, to make it back to the batcave by a certain time. Seems simple but along the way damien stops to help many people and even stops to talk with some of those he saved. At the end after being like 4 hours late batman says he passed. Its a story like this that builds a character so well and so simply. Almost made me cry.

[@gaetanmenier6263]

Man the work u put in each video is truly amazing. How u write, editing it and voice it is incredible. You make me so invested in your analysis that it make me lose track of time. Keep up the good work and thank you.

[@PadhleBete]

Damian and raven relationship is something interesting ngl.

[@whytfuneedanameinYT]

This is the best video about Damian i ever watched. Love the appreciation about my boy Damian

[@chissstardestroyer]

Fascinating: so Damien Wayne was the Apollo Adama to Darkseid's "Count Iblis", to coin a "Battlestar Galactica" reference to a similar tale: "War of the Gods", especially as the event takes place in their universe's rendition of Hell.

[@taheahshahdaiah6422]

This series introduced me to him and now he's my favorite Robin.

[@JJ-gu3oz]

I was rlly hoping for a video on him!!! He’s my favorite robin idc if people hate him

[@Jaexiu]

I hope we can get more Damian in the future, I wonder how he’d look and be in the live action titans show

[@khayamirshad210]

he is not small screen but big screen brave and bold movie

[@batboy-wb2cn]

Damien is just a cool idea. I really enjoy him and his story. his banter with Batman is perfect. btw: love your videos. keep it up. :)

[@MisterMii601]

These movies made me love Damien.

[@badventist-petite]

I know this is a Damian video but I just have to say that Bruce Greenwood is also my second favorite Batman after Kevin. So much so that if there were to ever be another Batman game, he’d be my pick. And if he were to actually do it, that’d be a pre-order/Day 1 purchase for me. Even if the game was shit. I just really love Bruce Greenwood. 😂 And Damian, he’s alright I guess, he grows on ya.

[@anotherdarkjedi2094]

I really do love your videos. There's always something to them that stands out from others.

[@michaelmurray8134]

It's amazing how one movie series could make us fall in love with a character that everyone despised the moment he showed up on paper.

[@draconicdemigod9696]

4:40 Raven likes caked Damien.😂😂😂 6:31 The definition of a brother.

[@Menice1153]

My god this man's content is fantastic

[@archivist_13]

I really like Damien, his arc and his relationship with Raven was great to watch

[@newhybrid101]

I have been a Damian Wayne fan since i first learned of the character. I have seen all his different incarnations and read all arguments and opinions on his character. After a decade of debates i have to this conclusion. Damian fans are BASED,Damian haters are mindless NPCs. I should also say that my favourite version of him is Grant Morrisons Batman 666,also my favourite Batman ever. If you want to see the real Damian though you have to read comics,not Injustice or DCAMU. Even the Injustice spin off comics show a completely different Damian than the game do. Damian reminds of me of Connor Kenway from AC3,both are actually great characters but the average fan(average being a moron) has a hard time getting into their character due to their external behaviour.

[@tomodachiotaku8004]

Out of so many languages you decided to be BASED

[@chadisnotachad]

I always liked Damien in the animated movies.

[@stevelandmartin-khan2430]

And then we got the injustice 2 Damian “you fight like a white belt” Wayne.

[@chava7263]

No clue why there was a reset of this universe. Literally the best universe we've seen since justice league animated series

[@Fizz-Q]

Because the story ended there, there was nothing more to tell, and that makes it fulfilling, knowing that despite all the errors and tragic deaths there was still a way to save it all even if that meant ending what they had, truly beatiful if looked through that lense i suppose Ofc the movies weren't exactly that great either but what you gonna do about it.

[@chava7263]

@Fizz-q yeah I know like every story has an ending but they could of done way more with it. Giving more characters their own movies and more stories. It could've been stretched out longer

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Because the new 52 was loosing its luster.

[@chava7263]

@@fightingmedialounge519 wym?

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@chava7263 I mean the new 52 continuity was losing its initial selling power.

[@The_Phantasm]

Overall I would definitely say that they did some very interesting things with him in that continuity and there are things I definitely enjoy about Damian like his friendship with Jonathan Kent (prior to him being aged up, I mean what was Bendis thinking) and his bond with Dick Grayson but overall I honestly don't care for Damian. I was never a fan of the way Grant Morrison introduced him and while the character can provide interesting stories, he is not one that I really feel emotionally connected to. Granted he has evolved quite a bit since his introduction (that is until the writers run out of ideas and backtrack his character as is usually the standard) but still the character has not grown on me and I would honestly much prefer it if he never existed to begin with.

[@jamilfrost6217]

Not my favorite robin, but a robin indeed.

[@TevyaSmolka]

I personally liked Damian Wayne robin and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self as the super sons mostly because that team is really awesome and tons of fun.

[@jackservans6906]

You should do character arc videos about the Spectacular Spider-Man. I think a few of the characters that could use them are: Spider-Man, Harry Osborn, Gwen Stacy, Liz Allen, Flash Thompson, Electro, Sandman, Venom, Mark Allen, and maybe Curt Connors.

[@ApofeniaSincera]

You amaze me every time dude !

[@augmenautus]

I liked Damien and Raven together. The two edgy emo characters with father issues found love. ❤

[@savagedarksider2147]

There is much talk and I have listened through rock-and metal and time-Now, I will talk,and you will listen.

[@Skydive20991]

Damn bro, video after video I'm continuing to realise that I fucking love your essays

[@sunfire2614]

Am I the only one who wants to see a Thomas, bruce and Damian as Batmen together in a miniseries called The Doctor, The Detective and The Demon?

[@tomodachiotaku8004]

😮 épico.

[@Kirkmaximus]

Another excellent video, Leo. o7 mate.

[@michaelorra952]

Dammit Damian!

[@deeznut709]

"This is a line we do not cross"

[@elementmanexe8389]

​@@deeznut709 *kick* Then stay on your side

[@underratedunderdog2770]

I always had faith in Damien as a character. I'm glad he was able to grow in my expectations. Goodbye Damien, until your next reboot

[@Damian_Bullet]

He is my favorite Robin .

[@avisara]

I'm gonna miss this universe so much

[@ალექსანდრეოთხოზორია]

brooo i was waiting for this one

[@SourRobo8364]

Still waiting on those Young Justice videos.

[@chrisferrett8910]

Really didn't expect to cry today.

[@YeetSpace]

Def already got answered but mystery song is madness by muse, my family was an avid muse household so I know that song like the back of my hand

[@badger297]

I live your intro dude. Great video. Thanks

[@JusArcadian]

0:10 the music choice was too prefect here it was like a horr movie jumpscare

[@kaimemes]

I think with what DC's been doing with the character recently there's more people now that like Damien rather than hate him

[@icanseemywife]

i just looked at these comments and i’ve seen far too many saying damien and not damian. it’s damian.

[@bendewalt5560]

Damion frustrates me 1. Cuz yhe aforementioned making people forgey Tim. But also his only tactic in battle is to pic at someone until he finds their weekness, then harp on that weekness until they lash out and when they do he is ready to combat them...annnddd it is the most effective tactic to use on him because of how prideful he is...lather rinse repeat over and over again...for someone who claims to be soooo smart and superior you'd think at the very least he would take lengths not to be vulnerable to his only attack...

[@chissstardestroyer]

Damien's grandfather's "gang title" is literally "the demon", so it naturally fits that he'd bond with Raven; as both of them have messed up home-lives, due to their dads being gangsters... but on a completely different level of the lifestyle of a gangster., Raven's father is a literal alien, and not a good one at all. But hers is the one who slaughtered her friend's people, completely and utterly, and she is familiar with how his/its "business offers" work: seduction and temptation, whispers, nothing more.

[@bamanamana4657]

omg man I’ve been WAITING for this one😆

[@Thesentinal-z8n]

0:09 the stare

[@tylerensminger]

I came to really like this version of Damian and the new 52 movie verse

[@justarandomdude.9285]

I love the batfamily they're all about trauma, and each of them had it in some way differently. but supermans family is motivated by hope. But I think the bat family's slogan with regard to this trauma is "justice not vengeance"

[@williamholden6803]

That was a fucking Master Piece

[@n543576]

Now I genuinely wanna know your thoughts on the live action show "Titan"

[@edwardolanier621]

highlight of my day when you upload

[@Jayz457]

Thanks for making me cry this early in the morning! Shit I love that edge lord punk ass kid.

[@isaacalonzo-kb1yc]

Well put together. Unlike the onions I cooked earlier

[@antoniobronson695]

All your videos are excellent

[@JS-my4jw]

As much as I never liked, and still don't like, Damian; I can appreciate his arc over the animated movies.

[@Teamo86]

Damien was on of the few things that I liked about the New 52 animated stuff.

[@XLava_]

Don't care what people think damian is my fav

[@Timgoesgym]

video hasnt started yet but Damian deserved it

[@kntgaf]

i miss being 7years old watching son of batman for the first time

[@mixedbaggamer]

I will fully state that I have not read any of the current comics and really have just been watching KZbin videos briefly explaining them having said that from what I've seen of Damien when things hit the fan and he's needed to step up he has I know a lot of people don't like him because he's not one of the prior Robins but I like him because of that he's his own character he started off arrogant and has since come to the realization that he was never in the right as such he still young he's still a kid but he steps his game up and takes responsibility for actions and mistakes

[@chadzmuth1]

new upload dopamine

[@samanthamark3012]

Damn you, you made me cry. Damn you.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

He's not my favorite Robin, but I'd be lying if I said he hasn't grown on me Tim might be my least favorite these days, which is probably exactly what DC wants

[@Claire-bz8mq]

damian really has grown on me side note I’m reading dc vs vampires and he’s such a funny little shit in it, reminds me of my younger brother

[@khayamirshad210]

you should read robin 2021 damian comic it will make you like him more as character

[@Rebelheart1985]

Damian is such a irritating little brat…..but he’s our irritating little brat.

[@thomasrobinson529]

7:09.... I died XD

[@turbobrent9435]

you had me at:"a sexy night of Wii Sports"