Are Golden So Flat Paints Worth the HIGH PRICE??? (yes)

[@GoldenPaints]

Hey Dana, thank you so much for choosing SoFlat for your work! We [really] appreciate it! Just one quick clarification - only some SoFlat colors shouldn't be sprayed. There is a large "Dont-spray" symbol on the label for any colors which shouldn't be sprayed.

[@DanaHowl]

Hey Golden!!! Thank you so much for the response! I'm working on a followup to this video where I correct some of the mistakes I made in this one, is it possible to reach someone at your company who I could ask a few questions to? Thanks! -Dana

[@mandrews817]

@@DanaHowl, Pbr7 the code for iron oxide with manganese. It doesn't contain lead. Lead-based paints are forbidden in the US, unless you manage to import them.

[@mrchoochoohead9033]

@@mandrews817 i thought the same thing. PBr7 being the code for the pigment vs tbge chemical symbol for Lead being Pb. HOWEVER If you look on the label warning section shown by Dana it actually says it contains lead! Dont ask me why.

[@mandrews817]

@@mrchoochoohead9033, I'm shocked. It actually states so on the label! Pure Raw Umber doesn't contain lead. This could be either a contaminant, an additive specific to this type of paint, or a label error. I've mailed Golden asking for clarification. Let's see if they reply.

[@mrchoochoohead9033]

@@mandrews817 yeah i have no idea why either. Im just going to stick to citadel paints for my airbrush. I had a frieght when i discovered that some of my vallejo paints contained cadmium. Thankfully id never ussd them but the sheer panic that caused was not good

[@GoobertownHobbies]

Those models are looking so dang good! I gotta do some... testing... 🙂

[@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen]

Oooh! Will you be casting your chemists eye on them; perhaps in video form?

[@briochie]

@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen I hope so! I have cats, and I'd be super worried about them drinking the paint water. More so than I already am!

[@garfieldwithissuez]

Taste testing?

[@metagrossle]

Testing? Well, at least you're not doing 'research' like Zumikito stans.

[@IamtheWV17]

.... How's that testing going? 🤔

[@DanaHowl]

To clarify my point and answer some of the questions in the comments: I DO NOT KNOW what the toxicity/hazardous qualities of the Cadmium/Lead paints are once they are dry! I'm not trying to spread misinformation so much as I could not find any info on whether cadmium or lead based paints are safe to touch after they are dry, as these are mostly for use on a canvas! Please do your own research and I'm happy to update this video once I know the answer! Thanks :)

[@Dragonfire-tn2jg]

If they put a warning label on them, then unlike miniture paints there is a hazard.

[@MS-zo8tp]

Any paint (including acrylic hobby paints) that isn't labeled "non-toxic"--And I have yet to see a miniature paint that is child friendly or non toxic--is not something you should be eating. Acrylic is, after all, PLASTIC. The pigments are certainly a danger, but so is the acrylic binder. It isn't safe to absorb through the skin, breathe in large quantities, etc. Art is a "hazardous" pursuit (unless you're using children's fingerpaints, and even then, I wouldn't drink large quantities)--high quality art supplies and pigments demand that we should treat them with respect due to the materials that are used in them, but we should already be respecting any art supply that contains acrylic. Of all paint binders, oil paints is just linseed oil--there's a food grade version you can eat; watercolor is oxgall and gum arabic which also you can ingest (in fact ox gall/ox bile is sometimes used in the treatment of gall stones)--ACRYLIC is the one that cannot and should not be ingested or otherwise introduced into your body in any way, shape, or form. Of all paint types, treat Acrylic with the most respect, whether or not it has a cadmium pigment in it.

[@andrewszigeti2174]

As I understand it, cadmium is significantly worse than lead. The real danger is that both are dangerous even in small doses over long periods, as your body does not flush them out. They accumulate over time and can become a severe problem over the course of years to decades.

[@crowdemon_archives]

@@MS-zo8tp RIP all those brush lickers

[@danthonyrobinson]

One more try, since both my last comments apparently disappeared... Maybe because I was trying to include a link to reference? Anyway, I use oil paints for my models, and that includes some cadmiums and leads. Cadmium is definitely not something you want to ingest or inhale, but once dry the paint is safe to handle as it will not absorb through skin contact. You should not pour any rinse water/solvents that were used with cadmiums or lead into the drain, but rather let it evaporate or soak up with a towel and dispose of in the trash once it is dry (to prevent it from getting in water supplies/groundwater). If you need to sand dry paint that used either of those, make sure to wear a respirator and use a wet sanding technique, and wipe down your workstation afterwords. I'd probably avoid licking your models, just to be safe, too, and most definitely do not lick your brushes. ;)

[@jaanikaapa6925]

Dane, hope you see this. i asked Golden and here's the reply: Thank you for contacting us with your questions. While we do have several cadmium colors in some of our paint lines, including the SoFlat acrylics, we do not use lead in any acrylic products. The Cadmiums that we do use are low-soluble pigments, so they are relatively difficult to absorb through your skin, but we do not suggest sanding or spraying any cadmium paints, as airborne entry is very dangerous with heavy metal pigments. The dry paint films should not be an issue, but it is a good question for our Health & Safety department to address. I’ll forward this email to them so they may respond with the most recent information and advice. That said, there are very good cadmium color alternatives in SoFlat, including Bismuth Vanadate Yellow, Permanent Yellow Deep, Naphthol Red Light, and Pyrrole Red. So, it may be the easiest route for painting the minis and other pieces that tend to be handled using these colors and avoid cadmiums altogether.

[@spawniscariot9756]

Thanks for that 🖖

[@Chaplin001]

But she showed that on the label of that one it says it contains lead. So they do use lead in their product. Bit of confusion there.

[@jaanikaapa6925]

I got a follow up: To follow-up on this conversation, I would like to add that we do not recommend cadmium colors for use in gaming minis or other small objects which may be played with. Skin absorption is not a concern, but rather the foreseeable circumstance of “mouthing”, which is the act of sucking, chewing, or holding the object in the mouth. As Mike indicated, more suitable choices may be made. (this was from another rep). But yeah, I do see the point here. Skin isn'tthe problem, ingesting it is. :) I don't particularly lick or chew on my models, but I do remember a few times when I've brought a chess piece to or near my lips. Now that I was really thinking about it.

[@aaronphillips4153]

@@Chaplin001 Just to note, the lead warning is a California Prop 65 warning. Lead is not listed in the ingredients, and Lead is not noted on the MSDS (which would be mandatory if lead was used as an ingredient). Because the Prop 65 labeling rules are so strict (sometimes overly so - a prop 65 warning is required for any product that is made from, contains, or is processed in a facility that also processes *wood*), it is more likely that they are covering their bases because the earth tone pigments (like umbers, ochres, and siennas) are made from metal oxides. The mine source of these pigments can contain trace amounts of other elements like lead, manganese etc. It is also possible that these particular paints are processed in the same facility that also processes lead for some purpose, creating a possibility for accidental cross-contamination, which would also necessitate a Prop 65 warning. These are not ingredients in the paint, but may exist as possible faint trace contaminants. The Prop 65 Lead warning in this case is more like when your can of tuna has a warning label "may contain traces of nuts" just because the company that packed the tuna also makes peanut butter on the other side of the building. Fines for providing an inaccurate MSDS can be insanely high, especially for a multinational company like Golden, and an inaccurate MSDS could cost them major fines and lawsuits in multiple countries. Since Lead is not on the MSDS, it is fairly safe to assume that no lead has been deliberately added, and the lead warning is more of a blanket-cover statement as required by California law even when lead is not expected to actually be present, but there is a slight chance it might be. Conversely, current MSDS requirements DO NOT require listing certain cobalt compounds, even though they have demonstrable toxicity. For that reason, I would recommend also avoiding the Golden SoFlat Cobalt Teal if you are trying to avoid the more toxic pigments.

[@Dikarika]

Golden Acrylics in general have been some of my favorite paint. I've not seen this yet but now I'll know it's worth the price when I do. 👍

[@dougsundseth6904]

I've been using Golden's fluid acrylics for years and started using the SoFlat paints when they came out. I broadly agree with your comments. Drawbacks: The SoFlats come in a pot and their viscosity is relatively high. Transferring to dropper bottles is a bit annoying, but definitely worth the trouble, IMO. The SoFlats can be a bit too flat and the fluid acrylics are very high gloss, both of which can require some effort to manage. And you'll have to mix colors to your spec rather than counting on the skills of a company to mix the perfect skin tone (or whatever). FWIW, Burnt Sienna plus varying amounts of white makes a very nice range of skin tones. And if you need to go darker than straight Burnt Sienna, add a bit of Burnt Umber or Raw Umber. BTW, cadmium pigments are brilliant for model painting. Their color-fastness, tinting strength, and opacity are unmatched for yellows, reds, and oranges. As noted, you want to manage your risks appropriately (manufacturers are required by law to provide safety data sheets for paint; they're easy to find, including on the Blick website.) But from what I've seen, they're much less of a toxicity hazard than (say) Tamiya Extra Thin Cement. "Don't eat paint" is always a good suggestion, since in the case of hobby paints, you don't even know what's in the paint (unlike with artists' paints). I would try a bottle or two to find out if you like the paint, but unlike Dana, I would strongly recommend both of the boxed sets if you do like the paint. The price difference is significant enough that if you don't like one of the bottles, you've still saved money. That said, if you're worried about the toxicity issues of carbon black, cadmium, crushed quartz, or whatever, you might find the savings evaporating. I'm quite happy to have purchased both boxed sets.

[@52Miniatures]

Thank you Dana, I've been wanting to get these paints for some time but they are not available over here yet. My plan when / if, getting them was to transfer the paint into dropper bottles. So that I can have some at home as well as at the studio. That could as well be a thing to do between friends, thus taking the edge off the price of entry. A split between 3 friends?

[@brendanarmstrong7802]

Fact A: Bismuth Vanadate Yellow is Dana Howl's new favorite yellow. Fact B: Pale Sand is yellow. Conclusion: The king is dead.

[@andrewamann2821]

The king is dead... Long live the king. Golden's acrylic line is awesome, and always has been. Also, heavy metal oxides are best pigments, just seal your minis.

[@DanaHowl]

You’d think so, but pale sand is actually one of the best paints to use alongside these paints for mixing lighter versions of the base colours!

[@brendanarmstrong7802]

@@DanaHowl Okay, fine. The king is reduced to a figurehead in an advisory role, and stripped of meaingful political power.

[@theBoonarmies]

the hazardous component warning is appreciated, I personally would have simply assumed they were fine, and not even really noticed the label beyond the color name at all.

[@zakkmartin1019]

I love these paints, I decanted them into High Flow Acrylic style bottles.

[@DanaHowl]

I've definitely been considering this!!!

[@nicholascaldwell6079]

@@DanaHowl I've used tube paint, watercolour pans, dropper bottles, and jars are by far the most tedious to use. I wish they had the spouts you get on Liquitex Acrylic Gouache bottles.

[@Sarah-over-here]

I came to minis from the other direction, been an artist for years and then got into minis and have pretty much used my artist heavy body acrylics exclusively, basically because I already had them (although have got a couple of citadels out of curiosity). Just a tip for anyone wanting to try artist acrylics on their minis - if there is small square on the tube/pot this indicates the opacity/transparency of the paint. A solid square is full opaque, a half triange in the square is semi transparent and a square that is just a border (if that makes sense) is a fully transparent. Can be handy when you are considering what you want to use the paint for. It might also be worth considering the finish on the paint (which is usually listed if you look at artist supply websites) as they also have different finishes, matt, satin and semi gloss depending on the brand. I've found Winsor and Newton heavy body are also a good option. :)

[@Sarah-over-here]

Oh, and if you want to use the flattest blackest black you will ever see, try Culture Hustles Black 3.0. But a word of warning, it will absolutely get rid of ANY details so you need to overpaint to bring them back. They also have a Mirroriest mirror paint - don't use it on armour unless you want your figure to look like it'e been chromed! (ask me how I know!).

[@beezany]

All Golden paints also have a color swatch painted over black & white stripes so that you can see the finish and opacity right on the outside of the bottle.

[@GoldenPaints]

@@beezany Correct! Many people don't realize at first that our labels are all hand-painted with the actual color contained in the bottle. All acrylic paints have some color shift when they go from wet to dry so this ensures that you can see the true color on the label, something impossible to achieve with printed labels.

[@t-shirtedhistorian]

Golden also makes an airbrush medium and it comes in a huge (16fl oz) bottle at a reasonable price (14 bucks US) and works really good for thinning paints. Might save you a few dollars if you're thinning down paints a lot.

[@VAB0L0]

It is now my headcanon that, underneath their mid-sized sedan's worth of yellow armour plating, Imperial Fists wear the brightest pink underwear imaginable

[@sovietbear1917]

The So-Flat Red Violet is one of my favorite purples. It never looks bad. I'm still more on the Liquitex Gouache train, but I have a couple So Flats I'm happy with.

[@ScratchBashing]

Thank you, I've been so curious about these!

[@Wijkert]

I am sure you know this, but to clarify for others. 5:10 traditional hobby paints also contain different ingredients, yet are priced the same. Artist paint lines have traditionally been priced differently because of some pigment being more expensive than others. Hobby paints manufacturers have the opposite tradition where they even out all the prices (but are thus incentivized to use lower costing pigments, because that will make them more money).

[@Jbickley00]

Hobby paints use a lot of fillers in the binder, and they use relatively low cost pigments which allow them to be priced at the same level. Artist paints contain much more pigment than hobby paints, and thus have varying costs.

[@TheSpiderdawn]

Excellent review and tutorial. Left me well informed to make a choice on these paints.

[@DanaHowl]

Thanks! That’s what I strive for!

[@bopaintsminis]

This is the review for which I have been waiting. I've had some of these in my Amazon cart for. ev. er. And I appreciate that you paid for the paints yourself and you're not shilling a product. Thanks.

[@DanaHowl]

Thanks!!! I agree, I hadn't seen a review yet that fully addressed all my concerns, so I thought I would do it myself! These paints are an INVESTMENT, so I wanted to take my time testing them out to save the time of others. Thanks for watching!!!

[@BrendanPace]

If you like the SoFlat I'd recommend checking outbothe acrylic gouaches (so flat is just marketing because technically acrylic gouaches aren't gouache just acrylics that handle like gouache). Liquitex, turner, and Holbein are really good and have even more colours and single or dual pigment paints in their respective ranges. And one last thing I'd urge anybody looking for these to support local art supply stores over chains like Michaels. If you're in the GTA above ground art supplies, Curry's, and gwartzmans all carry just about every brand of acrylic gouache as well as some top notch brushes.

[@ABetterRed]

I have been using So Flat on some of my Chaos Daemon recently. Loving the magical effects made on my pink horrors I've been getting.

[@hughwoodford]

I'm just here in awe at the hot pink undercoat for the orange/yellow transition and how it turns out. Your eye for colour is insane.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Colours turned out amazing. Nice video. Looking forward to how these paints are used in the future. Thank you for the warnings about the dangerous chemicals. Keep up the good work.

[@willmendoza8498]

Yes! I have been waiting for this video. Golden is my favorite brand for canvas painting. Good to see it has some hobby uses as well

[@oliverp3545]

Just got some Liquitex basic acrylics and am loving then We need to promote using more than just 'miniature' paints

[@DanaHowl]

agreed!

[@JasonM69]

That's what I started with, now I'm using their soft body acrylics.

[@JamieDaggers]

I've been using these for a little over a year now and I can't get enough! They're wonderful. I just need to get better about figuring out how to mix and match the matte textures with the satin/gloss finish of other paints! Great video as always :)

[@MrThomaskirchner]

Can you please do a comparison between “artist paint” vs hobby paints? I have used mediums with crap paint to thin it or with inks before to some good effect

[@MS-zo8tp]

been using these in combination with Golden Open Medium to up my wet blending game for a little while. The ultra-matte looks amazing on fur.

[@Colorcrayons]

Good recommendations. Its heartening to see miniature hobby appropriate paints sold in these shops that don't say "Apple barrel". Thanks for the heads up!

[@DarkisArt]

I looooove Golden, they’re The closest (heavy body) acrylic paints I’ve found to oils. I do a lot of layering so the drying times in acrylics is best for me. I’m definitely going to try these.

[@Wijkert]

1:45 I understand why a zenithal basecoat is needed less, if these paints cover better, but don't understand why the matt finish matters for preferring a black basecoat versus a zenithal one?

[@pa_gaming_dad2810]

Really enjoy rhe Ultramarine Blue and Naphthol Red, appreciate the warning about the black as I was thinking that might be the next color I tried. Looks like it will be pink and yellow instead.

[@ovan2190]

This video was awesome! I love your paint style and these paints seem like a great match for it. I'm glad for the information about the ingredients, having stuck with hobby brands primarily I don't think about what's in them most of the time

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

Rivenstone has me so hyped. I'm also psyched about these paints, I've never even heard of them before this.

[@fateweaver9844]

Golden are the best acrylic paints I've ever used. Love Napthol Red. The Hi-flo spray like a dream.

[@Accidentalcrofter84]

Just picked up a set of these, thought they where a good price for the basic colors set of 6 for £30 but they seem to be alot more expensive seperately. Not sure if a couple layers of varnish might help if there are any issues handling them during playing? I'm about to paint my fist ultramarine and was testing some blues last night then tried the golden flat one last and it looks amazing, need to try the yellow out now too 👍

[@ethankillett1997]

These paints seem amazing. Might have to pick that yellow up. How's the new studio coming along? You gonna do a tour video when it's all done?

[@DanaHowl]

If enough people comment on here asking for it, I'll do a tour!

[@atkbovine]

@@DanaHowl absolutely would love to see your studio tour - currently turning part of our garage into “the studio” and love seeing the various setups out there.

[@AVspectre]

Would love to see it - yes please :)

[@MrAndyPuppy]

Yes please. +1

[@JasonM69]

@@DanaHowl another vote for tour!

[@rogermattioli6351]

This is the BEST yellow/imperial fists tutorial I’ve ever seen! My cataphractii turned out AWESOME!!! Thank you Dana!

[@laneawakeDan]

I use these along with liquitex acrylic gauche exclusively for acrylic paints these days (they play perfectly together and help to fill gaps in each other's line-ups). Gave away all my vallejo and citadel pots

[@jammywesty91]

Hi Dan, I recently sold all of my miniature paints to move over to artist acrylics like these and the Liquitex acrylic gouache. I hear they can be difficult to glaze with due to the ultra matt finish and can sometimes leave a hazy finish when thinned. Do you find mixing in satin and gloss mediums helps to mitigate this? Worst case, I have a LOT of inks and can keep those for glazing and these hyper matt paints for my regular painting. Also, do you find unwanted texture builds up quite quickly when working with them? TIA

[@laneawakeDan]

@@jammywesty91 I have never had any problems glazing - in fact gouache, including acrylic gouache, is designed to work when thinned heavily like a watercolour! If you do have problems, your inks or some medium would be a good bet. And no more problems with texture than hobby paints - if you apply multiple thick coats of undiluted paint yes, in normal use no

[@krzysztofmathews738]

I've really been liking the black. It is hands down the most matte acrylic black I have ever worked with.

[@cernunnos_lives]

Daaaamn ...you are one well informed hobbyist and uber talented. Your upload is well edited on top of it all. Thanks 4 your hard work girl thang.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Thanks Dana. Your art insights are ace. Keep up the good work.

[@thattabletopguy]

I really like how you found the good and the bad with these paints - so many reviews I see on KZbin are either ALL positive or ALL negative. It's refreshing to see a balanced review... by the way, still jealous that you got to paint Rivenstone minis already... but jealous in a good way :p

[@SigurdDecroos]

Nice video! I've been using these for more than a year now, alongside their Fluid, High Flow and Open line. They're my best paints by far.

[@Pakhan77]

I think buying one of the sets is actually a great economical idea. Either one has 2 of your favorites. The Bismuth Yellow is over $22-25 alone and the Zing set has that and Red Violet for $41 on amazon. So for about $8 more than the 2 individually you get at least 3 more colors to play with even if you decide to ignore the Cadmium one. The standard set gives you 2 of your favorites and for $12 more than individual pricing you get a black, white and a blue to try (ignoring the cadmium). And that's assuming you get 20% off from Michaels on all of them.

[@jamiethomas3287]

Yellow looks perfect for nmm. The fluorescent paints look great as well.

[@hogs0war]

Great content as always, you never fail to teach me several things in a video. The cherry on top is that you relate things to Canadian retailers in CAD which may not seem like a big deal but when I'm constantly googling conversion rates from Euros, USD and GBP to CAD as well as finding sources for some of the material you use that ship to Canada can become a pain. Thanks

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Very informative. The No Licking Brushes thing is probably a deal breaker for me, but I can totally see how these colors work for you & your painting style.

[@_lewtz]

Payne's Grey is imho the GO TO in this range. So Versatile. I agree with others, putting them in 60ml dropper bottles is the way also.

[@Outerwebs]

Golden So Flat - Delicious but deadly!

[@tjcole5728]

Been using these paints for a bit and absolutely adore them! The black paint has become my absolute go-to! May I ask where you found your info on Raw Umber containing lead? The pigment itself is mostly iron oxide with a bit of manganese oxide (which is still toxic, mainly when sprayed), but between pigment chemical info and Golden's Safety Data Sheet, I can't find anything on there being lead in the Raw Umber paint. Doesn't at all detract from your point on toxicity, but I know the thought of lead in the paint carries some weight. Cadmium is definitely one to be careful of, though, for sure.

[@beezany]

The lead isn't listed on their safety data sheets, but there are California Prop 65 warnings on the bottles for several pigments, including the umbers and carbon black. (I'm guessing for carbon black because it's literally soot.) There's a statement on their website that states that the warning has to go on any paint with more than 2.5ppm cadmium or 10ppm lead. In some cases, they've changed pigment sourcing to improve on this. For example, older bottles of zinc oxide had a cadmium warning, but they changed sources to reduce cadmium levels. Based on their handling of the zinc oxide situation, I'm guessing that all common sources of umber oxides in the USA contain enough lead to cross the California warning threshold, in which case I wouldn't worry about it any more than any other brown paint.

[@gabrielforsberg8744]

I Will use these to paint my own homemade Salamanders space Marine chapter. Exactly what Ive been looking for!

[@eastoforion]

your paint videos are always so inspiring, that is a VIBRANT marine!

[@seal765]

have you use kimera kolors? how do they compare?

[@steampunk5150]

This was a fun and informative video, nice job Dana.

[@dan8981]

I think liquitex acrylic gouache has similar properties and they have non cadmium colours. Not sure on lead. I haven’t tried them myself but I have seen another KZbinr (NJM) use them for minis.

[@Sarah-over-here]

The only problem with using Gouache is that they can be reactivated with water so you might have to be careful with how you use them. Not sure if that would be a problem with minis, but something we arty folks take into account when we use them on paintings. :)

[@dan8981]

@@Sarah-over-here from what I understand the liquitex ones are acrylic, they are called gouache but are not really.

[@Sarah-over-here]

@@dan8981 Hmm that's interesting...thanks for letting me know. I'll have to avoid Liquitex when I need new gouache paints (as I use them in my art) and have only used their heavy body acrylics before. 😊

[@dirkgaffron5456]

Golden is an artist color producer. It is totally normal that colors have a price based on the ingredient. And toxic ingredient is normal in that kind of colors. To protect you, you should varnish your miniature. However, for airbrush use Golden has two separate lines of color you can use (Fluid Acrylics and High Flow Acrylics).

[@Aarongeddon]

never heard of these but definitely need to pick these up for my kdm death high minis, thanks for the review!

[@stephenspackman5573]

If I can't _eat_ the paint and I can't _inhale_ the paint, which orifices _can_ I use?

[@MonkeyNinja99]

This may sound stupid, but I didn't think the cadmium paints literally still had cadmium in them. And I definitely didn't think paint still had lead in it. I think I may set those two colors aside, thanks for being the only KZbin artist I've seen mention this!

[@joshf2685]

The Cadmium paints definitely still do. Some minis paints do as well. I believe the lead is more a byproduct and less the true pigment in burnt umber. That one is produced from cooking soil which would concentrate the heavy metals in the pigment.

[@sebastianwei7721]

Great info, thanks, I bought a bunch, both sets and a few extra a while back and filled them into dropper bottles. While it was a pain to do so it cut down the cost and I‘m still using the leftovers in the original pots as these are rich af. Not licking the brush hasn’t been a big problem so far 😅 still pretty smart to just skip cadmium and lead paints. Gotta try them over black, I was just painting over default zenithal. Love your videos, would looove to see you collaborating with Lyla someday, if there’s an opportunity/a topic that would fit, as both of you have a no nonsense but great outcome art style imho.

[@benjaminjack867]

Excited to try these out! Also excited for a new Dana video!

[@b100draven]

Whats the best orange to get? I have a bunch of Votan worriers that need to be painted orange and black so want something that will go over a black primer

[@Kamion991]

Have you tried the new green stuff world dipping inks? Are they better than citadel contrast paints or army painter speedpaints? Or are you going to do a review of them? 😊

[@stiffbristles8771]

I think that Chaplain is my favourite of all the models that I've seen you paint

[@racefrankhauser2234]

I love that red violet, definitely gonna grab some

[@DanaHowl]

It’s great!

[@RavenMinis]

Totally licked my brush the first time I was using the black from the base so flat set. My tongue tingled a little

[@KarpetRydOFunk]

A well-timed upload, 'cause Michael's (at least the one by me) is having a sale on their paint supplies. %30 off. Looks like a great time to test these.

[@philurbaniak1811]

👍👍Looks like a great product, I would definitely find a use for these!

[@martinmountford1981]

Am I missing out on something there's a lot of comments about the dangerous ingredients in the paints but no mention that one of your recommendations the florescent pink has the carcinogen formaldehyde in it? I would assume this is also not safe to handle lick etc?

[@dco9198]

Your models' aesthetic is what 80s Warhammer wishes it had been 😍

[@zackerymorris8268]

Is there going to be a painting guide for the Risen army? They look so cool

[@AVspectre]

The large size might make it great to share with a couple friends. Would they would okay in empty dropper bottles?

[@atkbovine]

What do you think of the Golden Soflat black for the base rim? Too matte?

[@DanaHowl]

I forgot to mention this in the video but the Black is one of my least favorite of the paints, it's so matte that it doesn't work great for deep shadows or even base rims (just take a look at the base rims on these models to see what i mean!)

[@thefallenmonk605]

you can buy these at larger Jo-Ann Fabrics. They always have a 40% off 1 item and sometimes it gets bumped to a 60%.

[@slowwolf]

Question: out of the reds, were any of them a brighter Mephiston Red equivalent?

[@JRMcDowell]

Before I even watch the video, I want to answer the question. YES! YES they are. If you also use the @GoldenPaints High Flow with them, you can achieve amazing miniature painting results. I mix a matt medium with the High Flow range to bring down the gloss that some of the colors may have. EDIT: After seeing the Video, You did an amazing job reviewing the product. Thank You. Your miniature turned out amazing.. oh and on the toxic thing, you can use a Matt Clear Coat to seal them so your not having to worry about the touching it for gaming.

[@andreastucchi6191]

How the compre to citadel base, from a coverage perspective??

[@zakkmartin1019]

Here is the link for the safety data sheet on these paints, I would definitely give this a look over before ingesting any of them. goldenhub.goldenpaints.com/storage/uploads/SoFlat_SDS.PDF

[@nicholascaldwell6079]

Worth noting that lead isn't mentioned. I'd be surprised if any iron-oxide-based colour used lead these days. You could not sell them in the European Union if they did.

[@zakkmartin1019]

@@nicholascaldwell6079 What's interesting is that lead is not listed on the SDS, but it IS listed on the label of Burnt Umber.

[@DanaHowl]

To my knowledge, it is only the Burnt Umber paint that contains lead, it says so on the bottle and if you pause the video you can read it!

[@zakkmartin1019]

@@DanaHowl So, when I decanted my paints into dropper bottles, I stupidly wrapped the labels the wrong way, covering up the warning label side, i've been peeling back the labels of every paint, and you're correct, so far I've only found Burnt Umber to contain lead.

[@nicholascaldwell6079]

@@DanaHowl I have just grabbed my own jar and looked, and by golly so it does. This is very odd! It's not listed in either the SoFlat SDS or the Golden Master SDS. I would've thought they're required by law to communicate this in their safety documentation. The only thing I can think of is that it's a trace amount leftover from the extraction process. We can't be talking the kinds of lead levels you'd see in Flake White, where it's the actual pigment.

[@verathorn1556]

I have enjoyed using these so flat paints for a while I put them in 50 mil dropper bottles and I have used these almost exclusively ever since.

[@miked5487]

anyone tried the golden fluid acrylic with glazing medium as a contrast paint?

[@vailias]

I was wondering if any of the youtube mini community would use these. :) Also, if anyone is curious I can say that the golden SoFlat white is basically indistinguishable from Culture Hustle's White 2.0, except under UV light.. where the White 2.0 is significantly brighter

[@philgagnon275]

They do look great... But... Does it go well with Pale Sand?

[@Dave_W861]

Do they work as a glaze, or are they just too pigmented?

[@Mikey__R]

So is Bismuth Yellow safe to airbrush?

[@davedogge2280]

I'm confused, what is the difference between the So-Flat Golden paints and the Golden Fluid paints ? they've both acrylics right ?

[@NathanaelRouillard]

They'll have different formulations of medium to give them different physical properties

[@rnp497]

go for Lemon Yellow, Cyan and Magenta that way you have the ability to create so many different shades of colours

[@DungeonMasterpiece]

....can't lick my brush? Dangit!

[@DanaHowl]

it is forbidden!

[@thecactusman17]

"you must not spray these and you must not lick your brush" Glad she's putting out a warning for all our military veterans out there. The Marines might be the most famous for consuming art supplies but it's endemic to every branch of service.

[@samhoban2509]

Thanks again Dana. Great vid

[@Bluecho4]

Loving that painterly style.

[@BozarthPrime]

Is lead listed as something else on paints? I am not very familiar with artist paints and I could not find a lot of info on it in specific but I was just at the shop and the Raw Umber of this lists `Natural Iron Oxide containing Manganese` as the only pigment and still has a warning about not airbrushing, presumably because manganese is also very nasty and can do bad things to humans if inhaled.

[@davidpeters6743]

I have some lead abatement training and I've occasionally worked at dealing with lead paints. I don't work with them regularly, so take this for what it's worth but generally the advice for lead paints is to cover them with other paint, so if you're using a varnish you're probably okay. I'm not sure if it would rub off on her lots of handling though and it might not be something worth chancing. I will say if you have children, under no circumstances should you have lead paint anywhere in your house.

[@sebbychou]

I use a similar technique mixing golden fluos into my vallejo flat

[@OmegaLittleBob]

"Permanent Green" sounds like a THREAT 🤣

[@MartinPittBradley]

Would the heavy metals be a concern under clearcoat?

[@fateweaver9844]

No

[@daedalus6796]

This is my favourite way to do yellow now

[@moldiworp9143]

I can't eat the paints? How am I supposed to paint with them at all then?

[@azndjpanda]

Can't you just coat your figures in a varnish to prevent exposure to the cadmium and lead after the fact? Hmmm...

[@lizardkyng]

Micheals has a 6 pack of red blue green yellow black and white for 60$ it is SO nice, and worth it as the most of them are 10 buck a pop and the naphthol red is 20 to buy individually. Though the yellow is the cadmium version so dont eat it.

[@YTAlpha01]

Very interesting. Thank you!