Dangerous Barber Chair - Why It Happened and How to Prevent It

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Check out our Felling and Firewood playlist for more videos like this kzbin.info/aero/PLmYnhJtNUq7fT6tin6FKooDf7_oeqwyex

[@kmtphx]

I could say what I'd do differently, but the important points are that no one got hurt, you learned something without paying for it, and you'll do better next time. You're not commercially logging so it's a cheap lesson. Your honesty is refreshing. Most people would have buried that clip. Thanks for sharing it and reminding us all about the potential hazards.

[@raymondcava4669]

I like the honesty also, kudos to him

[@factsoveremotions6035]

People offering Constructive Criticism is the fastest way to learn. Tons of knowledge out there and we all can learn more and get better. Watching Buckin Billy Ray and the Educated Climber, I’ve learned so much and it’s free! Love your humility my friend, got a Sub! Thank you for sharing your videos.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@markj284]

Yes indeed, learning from others mistakes can be life saving. I enjoy Buckin Billy videos, my wife thinks I'm crazy for watching any chainsawing videos. 😅😂

[@jukeseyable]

@@RockhillfarmYTAgreat deal to unpack here, we all screw up sooner or later, and everyone has barber chaired a tree, make this your only 1. First things first! learn to sharpen your bloody chain, it was blunt, if the saw isnt cutting welll, you are in harms way for longer than necessary, it also helps with more precise cutting. also an it is something I see amongst you americans, F me you love your long bars. it isnt a thing here in britain, we run short bars, learn to match our cuts, and a shorter bar is always more precise. I run a 20 inch bar on my 572 XP, and on my 395XP I run a 24 inch but have a 28 inch, and Im not having this rubbish that the states have bigger trees, You can plunge in through your face cut and clear out the center of the tree. with paralax any inprecision with saw handling is amplified with a longer bar. if you cant control your saw, then take the time to learn to be accurate. you life is on the line if you choose not to do so. Also have a chain speciffically for felling, this should be your best chain. This should never be a race, there isnt any rush unless your getting paid to do it, your cut decision making process needs addressing, the hinge was clearly to big. Stop look assess. Some of your saw control looks a lttle sloppy, but that can be down to forcing a saw with a blunt chain, leaving you having to use excessive force on the saw to get it to go where yuo want it to. be careful out there pal. greeting from Wales

[@edmundmayeaux3269]

I have cut trees all my life and one thing I have learned from experience is that I've have made plenty of mistakes and luckily I haven't killed myself with those mistakes but I have learned from each one and that's what you are doing.good luck..

[@DJazzy1]

No; mistakes do not promote learning, except of potential harm, danger, etc. Mistakes and other forms of punishment do not teach the better thing to do; figuring it out or learning what to do from a more knowledgeable other is the means of learning the better thing to do. Good he figured it out. 🙂

[@michaelmacpherson-wm6mh]

never owned a tree, never held a chainsaw, but I like watching these videos. I could be the guy picking up the logs and putting them in the trailer... that looks like fun.

[@int31cm]

I like the fact you’re honest. Mistakes is how we all learn. Thanks for sharing yours. I have a lot too!

[@DJazzy1]

No; mistakes do not promote learning, except of potential harm, danger, etc. Mistakes and other forms of punishment do not teach the better thing to do; figuring it out or learning what to do from a more knowledgeable other is the means of learning the better thing to do. Good he figured it out. 🙂

[@johngersna3263]

Nobody's perfect Brock. We learn as we go. I personally usually make my wedge cut a good bit deeper and make my back cut on a slight angle down to the wedge cut. I was taught that from some old timers about 50 years ago. I really don't know if it's the right way but it's never failed me. Keep up the good work and don't put yourself down. You're doing a great job.

[@loquat44-40]

I use wedges and if the tree is not leaning in the right directions, I use chains and a hoist. I mostly do pines that are a lot safer usually to handle. Oaks with protruding branches are very dangerous and I would not use your bore through and then cut back wards to make trigger. It is very difficult to know when the tree is going. I do not want a trigger like you set up. I cut a notch and like you it is often not horizontal. But it works. The cut on the opposite side is angled quite a bit down. It gives the wedges more surface to work with even if the state forestry course I took said not to cut that way. If the tree is standing straight, I crank back on the chain hoist after the falling notch is in place. Then I cut put a deep cut but still what looks like a safe amount that allows the trunk to support the tree. Essentially using the wedges being in while I crank the winch and when the wedges loosen as the tree leans I remove the wedges and a cut a little bit more. Tighten up on the winch with wedges tightly in place in case the chain snaps. Once the tree is really leaning. I may just pull it down or carefully with the saw cut a bit and then some more. Normally on a pine I can tell when it it starting to go. One does not want to be anywhere near a tree when it goes down. That is why I do not like the trigger technique You are too close and trees can do unexpected things.

[@karlrovey]

​@@loquat44-40 Except the trigger technique is more predictable, gives you a better hinge, and is far safer.

[@lashlarue7924]

Angled back-cuts are not the proper technique and result in less control of the tree. For "stump shot" you do generally want a back cut slightly higher than the horizontal plane of the face cut, but never at an angle.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

@lashlarue7924 absolutely right.

[@lashlarue7924]

@@RockhillfarmYT ❤️ greetings from VA

[@jonbutcher9805]

I'm impressed with the skid steer. Never thought it would move that Walnut with such ease. As for the barber chair. It's a learning curve, and although dangerous, is no where near as bad as most I've seen on KZbin. Keep up the good work.

[@itmediaservices2400]

A small point Brock. It's always a good idea to cut stump spikes straightaway. These things are lethal. Many a woodsman has died after tripping and falling onto these things. They don't take prisoners. I noticed you brushing the sawdust off the stump but not trimming the spikes and on the 2nd tree you were working right next to some nasty spikes. Very dangerous my friend. It only takes a second to cut them off the stump. Apart from that, love the vids!

[@stephendouglassd]

This isn't true

[@michaelbychkov8030]

@@stephendouglassd still good to do anyways

[@ledoynier3694]

@@stephendouglassd you may be made of rubber, but we humans do get impaled on pointy bits sticking off the ground if we fall on them :)

[@Slippindisc]

@@stephendouglassdhow is it not true?

[@wwfera00]

​@MrAdvantage1 he doesn't like being safe. He a dumb dumb.

[@davidwyby]

This is an important video and it’s good you posted it because many think that bore and trigger is a sure fire fix for ‘chairing.

[@OliviaProductions141]

Spend a rainy afternoon watching some buckin' billy ray smith videos, he does a great job explaining his process for felling trees. And he takes down some monsters...

[@charliejohnston1978]

Billy Ray loves his saws and no one has more saws than Billy Ray. A fun guy to watch.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

he shows only videos where everything go OK

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I’m a huge fan of bucking Billy Ray. I love his energy. I love the humanity of his channel. He’s just got so much energy and the guy is a true artist when it comes to cutting down trees. With all of that said, I’m not sure that he does a great job Teaching what he does. he just doesn’t work in a linear fashion through things. It’s 40 minutes and there are three great nuggets in there, but not really a tutorial. He kind of goes all over the place. Either way, awesome, dude, awesome KZbin channel

[@920724danti]

Thanks for showing "your mistake". As often said, we learn more from a mistake then from just being instructed on how to do it right. This example of a thick hinge resulting in a dangerous barber chair should esonate with viewers! Appreciate this

[@DJazzy1]

No; mistakes do not promote learning, except of potential harm, danger, etc. Mistakes and other forms of punishment do not teach the better thing to do; figuring it out or learning what to do from a more knowledgeable other is the means of learning the better thing to do. Good he figured it out.

[@paul.tuttle]

still a great video - you are one of the very few wearing PPE - everything else is just a learning curve... thank you for that !!!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@shermanhofacker4428]

Just a reminder, plastic is frequently a replacement for wood, I'm old enough to have been felling trees BEFORE there were plastic wedges. We made felling wedges from dry hardwood, but sometimes made them on the spot, with the saw or ax, from the hardest wood available.

[@savyor1839]

Top tip buddy thanks! Gonna steal the practice and pretend I’ve always done it

[@SteeleMagnolia]

Never thought of that, wow, so thanks for this great tip. Just knowing that if you forget to bring wedges, you can make them on the spot.

[@ronfox5519]

And besides the wedges, he also forgot his 👖 Rough morning.

[@drewgatewood1864]

I love what you're showing in your videos, I have to say I yelled at you through my computer at 8:51 out of fear for your safety...

[@CthulhuOO7]

Haha I did too!

[@kgm183n]

Me too, just use the skid steer to pull it out!

[@normcherylcalvert9580]

Almost made me cry! Some of the pieces you were going to turn it firewood a woodturner would love to get their hands on.

[@ronfox5519]

So true. See it all over. They don't burn the tops from the last 50 trees they cut but will drop a healthy walnut for no other reason than to burn the trunk. Never understood it.

[@craigjay769]

I really love your honesty. Learn something new on each video

[@FireDude13]

I haven't done any significant sawing since I was a kid with my dad and grandpa... so I learn a little something new with each of your videos. 'Back in the day' metal wedges were all we had. Seemed normal at the time but now I can see the wisdom in not using them for sawing - just splitting! We are hoping to get a wood burner this year so I'm brushing up on my sawing skills. Thanks for sharing Brock! 🤠

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@factsoveremotions6035]

Did you get the wood burner? If so, properly seasoned firewood is well worth it. 20% or less moisture and a moisture meter is like $16. Otherwise the firewood will burn, but you lose a lot of your BTU boiling the moisture out, before it heats your house. I use half the firewood now with properly seasoned firewood. That’s half the cost or saw time. Hope that helps!

[@smisky1086]

Great video. I never knew that was a "mistake" just the way the tree fell! Thanks for sharing/teaching!

[@MrRadlom]

You sound like a really great honest guy.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for watching

[@everyone9098]

I appreciate your humble attitude. Greatest lesson here. 🙏

[@paulorientetheluffaranch]

Glad that all worked out. Thanks for sharing. Always something new to learn.

[@llewynransom7908]

Love the curiosity, and the excitement of learning, just go careful. Your hinge was definitely too thick, but I would have made a deeper face. It's more accurate, and also more secure. Trees have two types of wood, heart wood, and sap wood, the heart wood is the centre, and it technically has no living cells. The heart wood acts as primary support for the tree, the sap wood is the live wood surrounding it, which sends water to the leaves. In these walnuts the sap wood is the lighter rings. For felling a tree, you generally want your hinge a fair distance within the heartwood. You can go prety deep without it becoming a hazard, a leaning tree like this you could have easily gone 1/4 of the way through, 1/3 would've been fine, but you can never put wood back, so if you face it the wrong way, thats where its going. I would do some research to double check what an ideal face for a trigger and plunge cut would be. Here in BC most people use a back cut with wedges you can pound on to open your back cut, and ensure the tree falls. Remember, this is a skilled trade, where people die every day, take your time, and keep learning. Kudos for posting this, it takes a real man to publish their mistakes on the internet. I have a lot of respect for you.

[@falim4972]

Was think that as well. Those face cuts are very shallow. 80% of max diameter or 1/3 of tree is what I go for.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

@falim4972 1/3 is standard felling procedure. Everyone I know who cuts trees for a living does shallow face cuts to preserve the butt of the log. I was cutting these for my Sawmill

[@kentkeller3194]

Thanks!

[@jaybarnacles4846]

I'm not an arborist by any means, only used the chainsaw a few times, but I learn things that I'm probably gonna try out and put to use in the future, you make felling large trees look real easy.

[@RussBearie]

Thank you for an informative and honest video. I like your "leaner" technique. It's brand new to me.

[@matthewpolo227]

GOOD JOB--VID.INFORMATIVE -I'VE BEEN IN AROUND TREE WORK FOR YEARS BUT STILL LEARNING. I'LL WATCH MORE OF YOUR VIDS-BE SAFE🌲

[@tonypitsacota2513]

I'm in love with that Deere 325G.

[@dyates6380]

Great video. I'm about as far as anyone could be from being a logger or logging knowledgeable person. It amazes me what skill and frankly, toughness and courage people have to possess to do this for a living. Nothing short of amazing to me, to be honest, and whenever I watch something being done that people have done for centuries using modern equipment as depicted here, all I can do is wonder HOW they used to do this type of work without all the power stuff and moving equipment. Incredible.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

It is incredible. I’ve been nibbling at understanding that business and doing some of the work. It’s dangerous and it’s much more complicated than people would think and it’s exhausting. And that is based on me having all the advantages

[@treystewart544]

@@RockhillfarmYTthis tree reversed its like recutting with your saw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gregpower308]

Great vid mate. Humility is a sign of a great human being. Thank you for sharing. I’ve got Deere envy about that nifty little machine you used. What a great bit of kit. 👍👍👍

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@thelaststand2670]

THIS is why a lumberjack i know from Pennsylvania told me they only cut one way in the mountains, A Plunge Cut starting 1" behind the wedge and cutting towards the back of tree, leaving the back part to hold it in position until its cut completely free. I had to use it once on a splitting red oak but i also wrapped it first with a chain and binder.

[@cisco5400]

Thanks for your honesty

[@pavlovmali1]

Some suggestions: use gloves, vibrations are damaging capillaries that leads to cold hands, damage is irreparable (if you are doing often) @0:20 sharpen your chain, small sawdust indicates it is not sharp enough @0:20 get on your knees, your back will be thankful, you will also get less tired When doing face cut, always cut horizontally first, while this helps you to define felling direction. Make deeper face cuts (thinner are for leaners), this was the cause for barber chairing second tree. After finishing horizontal face cut, pull chainsaw back while maintaining bar's position in line with face cut. Then just change angle and start cutting from side, penetrate just a little bit so that your bar maintains position and progress to the top of "vertical" face cut (the moment at @0:27). And then you finish the cut with bar positioned as it should be. Few attempts and you will get instant pefectly shaped face cuts, with not such corrections as at @0:37. After tree falls, cut away all spikes, they may kill you if you fell on it. It's also dangerous for wild animals. @2:52 start cutting from above for about 30% of diameter, then pull out almost entire bar (leave little inside just to maintain position) and continue cutting for about next 30% of diameter and then fully penetrate and finish to the bottom. Then start cutting upwards remaining part, that also serves as wedge, so you don't need any wedges at all. Unlike your method (pulling out bar and finishing from bottom to top, causing uneven cut like at @10:25), you will get even cut. This applies to tree, where both sides are pressing away from cut (like in video), when opposite (usually when one side of tree/log is lifted) you do procedure opposite, starting at bottom. @9:25 If you look closely that cut, you can see it's curved. That means chain is not sharpen properly, one side has been more sharpened, causing teeth to become uneven. You have to even teeth on both sides. @9:40 wedge was unnecessary, look how it neetly fell on a bar 😭 Those shorts are killing me, no matter the situation, use proper safety gear. I once cut myself while repairing fence for cows. Luckily, forest boots saved my leg.

[@nixonkutz3018]

Thanks Brock, great information and helpful to those of us still learning

[@bushcraftandfriends1471]

Important thing is no one got hurt and you learnt from your mistake, meaning next time you’ll be more cautious (hopefully). Nice video!

[@justayoutuber1906]

Tree trunks are deceptively heavy. I am always amazed the strength to support big limbs and how dangerous they are when they fall. Good video - seeing "mistakes" is important for us to learn from.

[@jerrysegalla8597]

Thank you for sharing this. Your experiences will help me to stay safe.

[@robertdouglas3456]

Nice job on firewood cutting!🤩🤩

[@tommyRfrancis]

Big respect for your honesty, very helpful video 👍🏼

[@shaneroddy8244]

You guys are out there doin the work. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe fellas.

[@simonmorris8651]

Another great video, thanks so much. I did cringe at 08:44, that looked risky but maybe it was the camera angle. Trees that are half down or hung up are super-unpredictable. Here in the UK 'chainsaw shorts' would raise an eyebrow, but I guess we have no idea what it's like to work in your climate. I love your honesty and thoughtful approach - I'd work alongside you anytime (but not under a half felled tree). Really appreciate your time and effort 👍👌👏

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@davidwyby]

Aussies cut in shorts all the time. So do I. It’s the chaps that count!

[@timothysullivan4130]

I’ve watched videos where I am cringing & hoping no one gets hurt. I am a retired arborist & did it for 35yrs. Some folks think it’s not so hard to cut trees. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS if you’re not careful.

[@OneTrueCat]

Cutting trees is easy. It's surviving to cut the next one that's hard. 😉

[@norman-gregory]

Kudos mate...many will learn from this (myself included). Thanks.

[@goerizal1]

[t is a great teaching video from what was done by you and all those very constructive commentaries. thanks. i was about to say something too but i realized i am just a little ignorant beginner.

[@mattetor6726]

Thank you for sharing!

[@horacesawyer2487]

00:16 looks a good edge you put on that axe. Maybe an older Collins? Keep up the good videos. I'm trying to learn how to not kill myself with storm damage trees, Virginia pines, leaning WAY over, definite Barber Chairs every one.

[@charliejohnston1978]

I saw that your original notch was not clean and it was about half the required size that I would do on a tree that size. We figure 1/3 the Dia for the notch. But thanks for the video and info.

[@annacraft]

Thank you very much for showing! Always good to learn from situations like this. As to the reason what might have also contributed to this (in combination with too much hinge): in my chainsaw course/certification we learned to cut the sides (where the roots start to begin and the tree gets wider) away. Or at least make a 2-4cm deep cut into the splintwood from both sides of the hinge. German: "Splintschnitt". If you pause your video at 7:38 (right when the tree starts falling) it looks like on the far left there is a piece of wood left that was not cut and starts the crack. Anyway I certainly do by far not have as much practical experience as many others here, so pls. only see this as my guesswork 🙂 Other things I noticed: only shorts later in the video? Working under the tree like that looked dangerous as well as leaving the stumps like this. All the best to you, stay save and greeting from Germany! 🙋‍♀Anna

[@juppgulak642]

Die Splintschnitte sind erforderlich bei langfaserigem Holz, oder bei fetten/hohen Wurzelansätzen. Hat natürlich den Vorteil , dass man die Bruchkante schön anzeichnen kann, daher wird es vermutlich im Kurs so gezeigt.

[@G53X0Y0Z0]

Some people frown on it, but cutting the hinge completely off or making the cuts so the hinge broke clean before it hit the ground usually allows the tree to roll with the limbs up and the trunk on the ground..

[@naturewatcher7596]

Very good explanation of the technique and of the mistake. I thought before that the bore cut is a magic tool to prevent barber chair no matter how it is made.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

No, I’ve had some experienced guys. Tell me that when they use this type of technique, they punch out the center of the hinge. I didn’t understand why until now. The entire purpose of using the bore cut is that you can set the exact right hinge thickness, which is 10% of the diameter of the tree. What I did was leave a really thick hinge in the middle. The reason a barber chair happens on any cutting style is if the overhead wait causes the tree to fall before your hinge Is set It’s all a learning experience, and I’m getting better as I go, but will never be an expert.

[@NorthForkHollow]

I'd say you are right that your back cut left a hinge that was too thick. Several things I do differently though. One, I make my back cut almost level with my face cut. Definitely not below, so maybe just a half inch higher. I feel that makes a better hinge. Though I can't explain exactly why. Second, I make my trigger cut level as well. You want your trigger to happen fast. So make it small, and make it happen quick. A level trigger cut will happen faster than an angled one. Just my $.02, and I'm quite possibly wrong with the way I do it. You will get lots of people who are going to tell you what you did wrong. I'm just telling you what we do differently and let you decide what to do on the next tree. Stay safe, my friend.

[@dougreid2351]

A flaw in my early cutting was not getting my cuts level. My bar was slightly downward, as I saw the back cut in this video. My hinges, therefore, were misshappened and undependable. "Scribing" (marking a reference line on) the the tree with the saw wasn't much help so i started marking a level line around the tree with plastic or nylon tape, then making my cuts. Slow but sure correction of the problem. DOUGout

[@matthewpolo227]

THAT'S WORKIN SMART..WONDER WHAT OPTIONS GUYS USE TO CONFIRM THEIR BACK CUT IS LEVEL BUT NEVER HEARD OF ONE TILL NOW. PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST BASIC SKILLS OF CUTTING YET THE ONE WE UNDERESTIMATE MOST. MY MISTAKE IS NOT GETTING EYE LEVEL WITH THE BAR.. THE KIND OF BENDING DOWN TO LOOK IS VERY EASY TO HAVE THE BAR ANGLE OFF A LITTLE BUT OFF A LITTLE BECOMES A LOT AS YOU GET DEEPER INTO TREE ESPECIALLY LARGE DIAMETER TREES. THANKS FOR THE OPP TO COMMENT VIA YOUR COMMENT. BE SAFE--

[@bulldogstrut1]

Very useful information. Thanks.

[@norman-gregory]

Greetings...I like your channel. Your last cut @1:40 on the first tree...to be safe (not having the butt lift you or your chainsaw)! Cut below your "Bore" 1" to 3"...the tree will still fall, but ALOT SAFER! If will fall, while your chainsaw is cutting the stump side. (= the finishing cut). I picked that up watching other's. Cheers.

[@cuttnhorse2013]

It appears your chain is very dull? Just saying

[@dougreid2351]

Honesty? The good & the bad? Count me in! Subscribed. DOUGout

[@thefreemathtutor]

I do woodturning, and I wish I could save a few chunks of that walnut from your woodpile! Cool channel - subscribed!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks. We milled it into lumber and it’s drying in my shop.

[@nigelmchugh5541]

Instead of notching and cutting the limb that the trunk was resting on, would it not have been safer/handier to throw a strap around it and roll it over, pulling it with the skid steer?

[@genuineimpulse9134]

If one didn't have a skid steer, what would be the next step at (8:00) to get it safely down? I'm new to the channel, thanks for making the videos showing your process and mistakes.

[@genuineimpulse9134]

Be who you seek to be: one moment, one breath, one step at a time.

[@johncurrie1789]

Correct assessment of what happened with the barber chair. Next time Get a rope or a chain on that snag and pull the tree onto the ground if at all possible. Lots fewer variables that way. Good videos! Keep on keeping on!

[@mccglastron1972]

I'm in the never cut down a tree category, lol. At the end... I'm thinking ok, how do you get those logs out of the trailer! I was answered promptly, lol. All these toys must be very expensive! I didn't know trailers could do that like dump trucks, lol!

[@OneTrueCat]

Called a dump trailer. Definitely handy, but they add a LOT of cost on the trailer. I was just shopping for trailers this week and in my area dumps are running about 60% over a comparable fixed deck unit. 😭

[@singingwindrider9881]

I've found your vids to be the most helpful so far. No choice but to cut stuff myself, in case anyone's thinking negative (I'm not trying to be macho, etc). How do you store wood logs until ready to use? Having a dickens of a time finding info. Do i need to keep em wet like lumberyards do?

[@singingwindrider9881]

Any helpful info would be greatly appreciated.

[@tomsommer54]

It appears your chain is dull. It’s blowing sawdust. Those are some nice black walnut logs. My sawmill would love to have those. Lol

[@mattydominic4219]

Nice work, man.

[@jimw3799]

I burned walnut one year and it made some of the most colorful flames I've ever seen. It also popped a lot, so make sure you use a screen.

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

Only a sure man admits his mistakes on camera. You can learn from everything if you let yourself. They say that a smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes - of others. Glad you’re ok. You helped us be safe(r).

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@douglas9607]

I learned something today. Thanks

[@lous.6372]

Aren't the smaller sections of black walnut somewhat valuable too?

[@seederdontra5227]

Make the mistake and share it so others don't have to. Very respectable

[@andrewanderson1436]

It happens sometimes but everyone was safe like you said. Everyone makes mistakes we are human.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@oakiewoodsman]

Great video! I woulda thought the hinge would have broken when you cut the trigger. Appreciate you making this video.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, it should have, but the hinge was too thick, so instead of bending, and then breaking. It split vertically. The bore cut is a great method, but it doesn’t work if your hinge is too thick.

[@oakiewoodsman]

@@RockhillfarmYT very good. I am not too far from ya. Just South in Oklahoma

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I’m right on the Oklahoma border. Near miami

[@oakiewoodsman]

@@RockhillfarmYT we go flea market shopping in commerce, baxter and up into Joplin! Didnt realize you were so close! Have a good one!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

small world Do you have anything cool that we need to make a video about?

[@PurpleCollarLife]

Congrats on 30K!

[@stihl3826]

Dude, A little PPE wouldn’t go a miss.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I was wearing PPE As far as the other people in the video, they are grown adults, and can decide for themselves

[@stihl3826]

Fair enough but litigation might see it differently if the felling is on your ground and someone gets hurt. I certainly would be comfortable working alongside people with no PPE. Only takes one mistake.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

@@stihl3826 I’m on their ground and I’m not being paid.

[@murphy4trees]

the notch was shallow on the barber chair.. that was the primary cause. However thick that hinge was if you had gone 1/3 of the depth with the notch the tree would not have barber chaired. The fact that you didn't mention that shows you have a lot to learn

[@johnkomosa4089]

This is a Master in the field folks. Hello Sir Daniel, (not me, ah ha.😄) glad you said that because I was thinking the same. Also, seemed like he was blowing alot of powder not chips. I would recommend he watch a pile of your videos, and Buck'n Billy Ray to show him how to sharpen. Also , I consider Jack at hot saws a master at falling and tree manipulation to the ground. Great to see you here sir.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Well, I started off doing what everybody else does and cutting deeper. Usually 1/3 because that’s the standard rule of thumb that everybody uses. Then I started hanging out with loggers and they consistently tell me that they never cut that deep. Usually they make a face cut about as deep as the width of the bar. They do that because they want the butt end of the log to be squared off 90% of the way across. The way I did it your face cut is only removing sapwood. I am experimenting and listening to people who do this for a living. Also there is a difference in approach between a tree service and a logger. I’m neither. Just a guy trying to learn.

[@murphy4trees]

@@RockhillfarmYT keep learning, but please learn before you try to teach..

[@stg931]

I was taught in Germany, at a forestry office, that making the notch 1/3 deep is too deep. On the one hand, you lose the chance to correct the notch, which is extremely important, as this makes up a significant part of the cut. On the other hand, this depth is lacking with thin trunks, with thick trunks 1/3 is a lot anyway. Even at 1/5 there are enough wood fibres to provide amazing stability, as the video proves.

[@stg931]

​@@murphy4trees Every accident that would be avoided by this video is worth this video.

[@robynknight985]

I just like this dude. thanks for the vids

[@timothysullivan4130]

It’s ok Brock, your wedge cut could’ve been a little deeper BUT good job bud👍😊

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Always learning and getting better. Respect the tree

[@SteeleMagnolia]

Knock on wood, but the only mishap for me was when my husband was topping a 50' cedar, where the falling limb bounced on its canopy and the cut section came right at me, with a hard hit to the top of my head. I was actually at a safe distance, and watching closely, but without a helmet. It was a freakish accident, and rung my bell, lol, but thankfully I didn't require medical attention. I'm an EMT with a high tolerance for pain, but this one really got my attention for safety. I've been felling my own trees for years, and never had a really close call, because I use common sense and am super safety conscious. The close calls that I have experienced are when I'm working with others, when THEY weren't safety conscious.

[@00bean00]

Q: Does the hinge size scale with tree size/diameter?

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes, it should be 10%

[@blusymmonds630]

Hi just a question, what kind of walnut tree is this, the only walnut I know of is the one you get the nuts from and the ones I know of look quite different to those that you are cutting

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Just a regular walnut tree I think. I always collected the walnuts when I was a kid to have them hulled for money. Their may be different varieties but I’m not an expert on it

[@blusymmonds630]

@@RockhillfarmYT ok thanks just looked a lot different from the walnut trees I am used to

[@johnkomosa4089]

There are black walnut and white walnut, butternut is another name for white walnut. Black walnut the nut is more round, white walnut has a pronounced end or termination leaf. Black is stunted or nonexistent. And of course, the beautiful black walnut wood is beautiful and smells unique. Higher market quality than butternut.

[@tomatito3824]

I'm no expert either but at 10:09 you start sawing at full speed with the upper side of the bar while apparently being in its same plane... Isn't that asking for a lethal kickback to the head?

[@aland7236]

It looks like he put the saw back into a previous, unfilmed, undercut slot. I've only experienced kickback if I put the end of the bar near something the chain can grab onto and pull, throwing the saw upward. Because of that I won't try to start any sort of cut with less than about 4 inches of bar overhang. I should probably also mention that I keep the back of the saw and my right hand in the trigger handle close to my right thigh so if the saw is kicked back it won't get very far before I'm reacting to it. Be safe sawing out there.

[@dannytriplett8625]

I like your saw. Seems to have plenty of power. What is the brand and model?

[@llewynransom7908]

I think its a stihl 500i

[@chrislane4615]

I worry about anyone who uses a chainsaw above their head makes me nervous. You have very little control of your saw when extending those arms upwards. Be safe brother!

[@medjoolmaker]

Your saw skills have been improving 👍

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@theo1113miller]

The only suggestions I would make is to increase the size of your face cuts to one third of the trunk width. You may also find it easier when cutting horizontal logs to do the bottom cut of 25 percent first, then do the top cut. The should reduce the need for wedging.

[@alexandershilling]

Cutting down medium to large size, trees can be dangerous and may result in serious, injuries or death. Use caution when cutting down medium to large size trees.

[@larryspiller6633]

When you forget your plastic wedges, make some out of wood with your saw. It's worked for me before. I've paid the price for using steel wedges before. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Peace, good video.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

Seen other people leave the hinge too thick and cause a barber chair too, I prefer Buckin's method where he doesn't fell it directly into the lean. Let's you have more control if you wedge it over rather than depending entirely on your hinge being perfect then cutting a trigger.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I also watch a lot of Billy Ray

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

@@RockhillfarmYT Cool, he knows what he's doing.

[@Rick-tb4so]

great video...why the plunge cut vs cutting outside in ??

[@RockhillfarmYT]

In general terms of plunge cut on a leaning tree prevents a barber chair. Obviously it’s still happened to me. That’s because I made a mistake with my hinge thickness. You’re doing it so that you can set the hinge to the right thickness before releasing the back and letting the tree fall. It only works if you actually get your hinge set right

[@projectswithjw]

I've wrapped a long chain around the tree about a foot above the cut on some trees that made me nervous. Hope I never see a barber chair.

[@peterellis4262]

Make sure it's a seriously strong chain! I've seen a barber chair and I don't want to see anymore ;)

[@BigTader]

I really believe that you could benefit from taking 1 of Cotontop3 chainsaw classes he's very good at what he does and his classes are great. When your in the woods falling trees it's very dangerous! Your chain looks to be dull

[@WesNancyBrown]

... Learned these facts from a logger named Ray..." Both cuts should be made from the same side of the tree. Your undercut and back cut should be level horizontal planes, with the back cut slightly above the undercut. Heavy lean or limbs on one side make a barber chair more likely. In this case lower the back cut a little but be sure it is still above the undercut. Undercut should be a little bigger on this tree, maybe up to one third... Use a spotter to help you line up your cuts. It was strange for me to see the back cut started with a plunge cut through the tree. I learned to put wedges in the back cut as soon as soon as they will clear the bar. These also act as immediate indicators as to what the tree is going to do as well as protecting the bar if the tree settles back. Also, they allow wedging forces to send the tree where you want it. NEVER cut entirely through the holding wood as it acts like a hinge to determine the direction of the fall. The fall direction will be perpendicular to the line of the holding wood, and if you cut through it, you have lost the directional control it gives you. Clear an escape route for when it starts to fall and "beat cheeks" out out of the way as it falls. As it falls, watch for spring loaded ****suckers as limbs or even whole trees may be broken and hurled back at you. "Down the hill!"

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I think you should watch the video I published today. I’m adding a link to it. It went into great detail about why I think the plunge cut is the right thing for a leaning tree and why I think it’s important. You would never put wedges into a leaning tree. They would serve no purpose. The mistake I made here is that I should’ve plunged out the center of the hinge Never Cut Down a Tree Without Identifying These 3 Hazards kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGXac2SYnd-MbZo

[@RTRALLDAY]

Cut your notches about 1/3 of the tree deep and leave about 10% of the tree for the hinge. I cut my trees off at about waist height so I ain’t hunched all over at the dirt. It’s much more ergonomic and safer since it’s a more comfortable normal stance. Then I cut the stump off at the ground. Plus, if you do gotta run outta there you’re not bent all over. The only good reason to cut a tree low is if you’re using it for lumber

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes, there’s a huge difference between cutting a tree on your own property just to get rid of it and logging I was invited to this property to harvest walnut logs for my Sawmill . Loggers make shallow face cuts and cut low

[@hilldweller8610]

Walnut splits very easily. The 10% hinge wood is just a basic guide. If a tree has rot or is less likely to split , like elm. You can go a bit wider with hinge. With walnut and a heavy lean, good to bore the middle of hinge out and leave some meat on the corners

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes sir

[@santonucci]

If you have an axe, saw a small limb and split it. You can make a wooden wedge in like 2 minutes with an axe. (Always bring an axe is the lesson!)

[@littlefish9305]

was nervous watching you notch the supporting branch, a lot of tree above your head, maybe the camera angle made it look more scary

[@angrybobking5083]

You should learn the Humboldt cut especially since you are cutting valuable wood for the purpose of lumber. The Humboldt will save wood on your saw log by moving the wasted wood to your stump. Every inch is money especially in walnut

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I’m familiar with the Humboldt, but to make a Humboldt it means that the flat part of your face cut is higher. You don’t get more log that way. You can’t make a Humboldt as low to the ground, so it comes out exactly the same yield The Humboldt saves you from needing to trim the log

[@shermanhofacker4428]

With walnut, I bore into the center of the face cut to minimize pulls and reduce chances of barber chair.

[@shakdidagalimal]

Glad to see something since everyone is always screaming their life is in danger. Yes, yes we know, you're almost dead, but the brass has you in the woods cutting anyway. What would we do if you weren't on the edge of gehenna ? By golly, you're almost dead, and out the door you go again, it's just tremendous, I'm cutting up some wood stars right now.

[@twbishop]

to be really dangerous, a barber chair would occur when the tree falls unexpectedly or prematurely. the 2nd walnut tree fell when you expected it, as you were escaping. no harm done, except to the walnut log, which probably resulted in a financial harm if you were milling the logs.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Accurate. I should’ve punched out to Center of the hinge so It wouldn’t pull fiber. I was cutting it for the long but milling myself. It cost a little bit of yield, but we got a good lumber.

[@williamweesner1191]

The reason? Complacency, stay vigilant and stay safe.

[@contemporaryprimitiveman3469]

Face cut not deep enough for starters. If you’re going to plunge cut, keep going out the back. Helps if your chain is good but yours is cutting like a full chain or you have to homeowner saferty chain instead of full chisel. Black walnut is brittle and easy to barber chair if you don’t set it up right.