Daniel

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Yay! Thank you.

[@bertlorenz4252]

I thought the Jewish calendar year is either 353, 354, 355 or 383, 384, 385 days depending on whether an extra month is added, but never 360 days.

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Proof the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled in the past: Based on Hebrews 12:22-24, the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26 cannot be separated from the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary. See the words "church" and "mount Sion" and "new covenant" and "Jesus" and "blood" in the passage. Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores about the time of the Civil War. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Proof the 70th week hasn’t concluded… It would mean we are in the time of Christ’s reign on earth, in which there is no death or suffering. Kind of hard to get around that.

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King James: Dan.9.24.  Seventy weeks are **determined** upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Gesenius’ Lexicon suggests, that the meaning of **H2852** is ‘*to cut, to divide*’, while in translation we see the word ‘***determined***’ being used. In light of the definition given above; below is my translation, using the exact ordering of the Masoretic Text (as given on the Bible tool app); which I identified with the strongs numbers, followed by the Hebrew word, or just the word when not numbered by the strongs. I have not excluded words that are doubled; in parentheses, or not numbered at all; nor have I rendered words according there strongs numbers, if wrongly identified, as all translation renderings, and manuscript editing do to some degree, under differing theories. Below is the text straight forward, and with no manipulation of order. Dan.9.24:  There are H5921 עַל־ divided H2852 נֶחְתַּךְ seventy H7657 שִׁבְעִים weeks H7620 שָׁבֻעִים; for the holy H6944 קָדְשֶׁךָ city H5892 עִיר (old Jerusalem); and for your people H5971 עַמְּךָ, to end ולחתם The rebellion הַפֶּשַׁע 6588; and to restrain H3607 נֶחְתַּךְ sin H2304 חַטָּאת ( 2 Thes. 2.6-7).` And here is **my first question**: is it grammatically right to read that verse as such? Here we have an intended thought play, between a “separate” set of 70 weeks (70/70). Which is slightly veiled within the text (as will be shown below); and with a divided 70 weeks, which is what one would naturally conclude, in simply reading the “62” in the preceding passages (7+62×1). [These sins H2304 ] חטאות is doubled in Heb., and not rendered in the A.V) (will be brought to an end) H2856 at the coming H935 punishment H5771; which will be for purging H3722, cp. Dan.12.10). The vision H2377, and Its sealing up H2856 (Dan.12.4) are concerned with the age H5769 of righteousness H6664; and is when the holy H6944 of holies, H6944 will be anointed H4886 (Ez. 43-48). This prophecy H530 (Dan.9.25) to some H4480 will be made understood H7919, and known H3045; that from the building H7919, and restoration H7725 of the command H1697, coming from H4161 a ruler H5057, who is anointed H4899 for Jerusalem H3389; there shall be weeks H7620: Here we are giving the two starting points, of the two sets of 70 weeks. The first 70 starts from the building in 459 bc, and the second from the restoration of the wall, 1541.bc.

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“of the command going forth from the ruler, anointed” is Cyrus whom God calls His anointed (Isa.45.1); and also applies to Suleman. Seventy H7651 (cp. Gen.4.24), seven H7620 (cp.Ez.45.21), then they shall build H1129; Seventy Seven years from the decree of Cyrus 536 B.C., ends at 459 B.C., and is when the building of the city began. The “sealing up” of the vision corresponds with the “ the this prophecy” that will be made understood and known, cp. Dan. 12.9-10; and Should be read in verse 25; And it shall be returned at H7725 the second H8147 (H8147 is rendered “second “ in Dan.2.1), sixty H8346; and anguished H6695, and diligence H2742 will be in their streets H7339 in those times H6296. From the completion of Suleiman’s building of the wall, in 1541 A.D (+ 490 = 2031 A.D); unto “the second 60th week”, is 1961-68; and is when Jerusalem, the old city; the original Jerusalem, referred today as “east” Jerusalem; was returned under Jewish control, after the 6 day war 1967, giving confirmation that Suleiman’s restoration, is the starting point, and what is meant by the meaning of a divide between the building starting point, and the restoration as a starting point. Dan. 9.26: Two H8147 and sixty H8346 weeks H7620 after H310; none לוֹ ( not numbered in the Heb.), but not being for H369 Messiah H4899, will be cut off H3722 (Acts.3.23). Here the 62 weeks, after the restoration of the sanctuary is implying the arrival of the Messiah. For there will be corruption/ destruction H7843 for the holy H6924 city H5892 (the destruction of the Roman siege, Lk.21.20-24; A.D., 69-70 A.D.). (And a double application to the Dome of the rock, which says “God has no Son”. And shall come H935 of the ruler H5057 the people H5971 with a flood H7858; (i.e., Oct.7, 2023; Al-Aqsa “Flood” fullfilment, or first aspect of fullfilment; the Hamas-led attack; “the people” of Saladin, i.e., the ottoman kingdom, i.e., Islamic jihad). (Seen on stellarium, on Oct.7th, astroid named “child” comes out of Virgo, possible partial, or full fulfillment of Rev.12.1-13; cp. Isa.26.17-21).

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When we turn to related passages in Daniel, we find the word “sacrifice” is not in the original; it only takes place in 9.27; and in all these other scriptures (Daniel 8:11-13; 11:31; 12:11); it was attempted by the translators to alline these verses, with Antiochus Epiphanies, by injecting the word “sacrifice” to the English translation. (Which in my opinion really throws us of from the authors intended meaning). Here Is an example: Dan.12.11 “And shall understand the wise continually H8548; that shall be removed H5493 (cp. Gen. 8.13) from the time H6265 of the desolation H8074 of abomination H825, that shall be given over H5414 1290 days (Cp. Rev.12.1-15). So the wise will be removed; but the unwise are not, but they will be preserved in the wilderness, being carried on wings (Rev.12. 3-7, 14; Dan.12.10; Mt. 25.2).Then at the end of this final week, the battle of Armageddon will take place. In summary, (which diferers from Dr. Widener); the first set of 70 weeks begin from the building of city in BC 459 (which was 77 yrs after the decreed of Cyrus, who was God’s anointed (Isa.45.1); and culminate with the first coming of the Messiah, His ministry to Israel, and ending the final week at His crucifixion; which resulted in the cutting off of the people, that are against Him, and the destruction of the holy city (Acts. 3.23; Rom. 11). Being that, they did not recognize the time of visitation (AD 70, Lk.19.42-44). The second set of 70 weeks concern the return of old Jerusalem back under Jewish control; and a prevailing of the people of the covenant (that do not rebel, ie the departure); who during the time of anguish (i.e. the tribulation); are purified, and will turn to God in righteousness (Dan.12. 1, 10). The vision and the prophecy culminate with the final return of Christ Jesus; who will destroy the beast kingdom, and establish His Kingdom upon the earth; bringing desolation to the abomination (Dan.2.44-45; 7:13-14, 27; cp. Acts.1.6)