Daniel Defense DDM4V7 Extreme Torture Test

[@mikepell9847]

You definitely need to put more oil in that gun

[@ThisIsMajor1659]

Good to know if I accidently parachute into a desert that is next to a swamp after I fall off a cliff.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Hell yeah 😂

[@brianfischer5609]

Yeah? Go on?

[@nickk4247]

I stumbled onto your channel while looking into BCA rifles. I love these torture tests! They put other reviews to shame!!! The BCA video removed my doubts about getting one to mess with. Keep up the great content!

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Thank you! 👍🏻

[@armorers_wrench]

It's a cool video but I hope your take away isn't that this is a good review. This is a very harsh test that in many ways comes down to luck. A good review is one where the rifle is shot and used as it was intended to be used in a variety of conditions with a lot of ammunition and preferably different types of optics with a variety of ammunition grain weights and case materials. It's even better if the rifle is shot suppressed and unsuppressed as that alone is a reasonable test that will result in the rifle getting extremely fouled very quickly and it exposes a lot of cheaper rifles. The AR15 was never designed to run while filled with sand and mud. No rifle on earth including the AKM is designed to run while filled with mud. I'm assuming that BCA was your first AR15 so good on you for getting an AR15. I hope eventually you like it enough to get something a bit nicer to train with. The gold standard is a BCM upper with an Aero lower but you could also just use your BCA lower and for that matter you could build your own upper if you wanted to. Cheaper guns could in some cases out perform more expensive guns just due to the gas port diameter alone. Daniel Defense was at one time notorious for being very overgassed because they drilled their gas ports to make the gun run perfectly with steel cased ammunition which is underpowered compared to brass case ammo. As a result with a suppressor or higher quality ammo the guns were very overgassed. Obviously over time enough people complained and now DD drills their gas ports to allow suppressor owners to tune the rifle to comfortably use a suppressor without getting an absurd amount of gas to the face.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

@armorers_wrench I appreciate you taking the time to write all of this unfortunately 100% of your assumptions are incorrect. This IS intended to be an extreme test. To accelerate wear and tear as quickly as possible and to be entertaining over all. Very very few people have the money or time to spend thousands and thousands of rounds doing what your talking about let alone a small channel that makes ZERO profit.

[@nicsavage8462]

Send it back to Daniel defense due to QC issues

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Fantastic video, I had a heart attack during the testing. I want to see it fixed. Thanks so much❤

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Thanks for watching!

[@chrischiampo7647]

Now This is an Unbiased Torture Test 😮😀😊😎 Very Good Review 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Thank You

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Thank you for watching!

[@mesniburek1652]

The amount of oil is most likely to blame for the consistant stoppages. Dirt and grime sticks to it and creates a sort of coarse paste of some sort, that can't be easily rinced off with water since water and oil don't mix. So it always leaves at least a thin layer of this nasty substance on the parts. I haven't watched the other terture tests you've made, but if you ran other rifles dry, that might be why you've seen a difference in reliability. Tight tolerances aren't a bad assumption either. Good video m8!

[@independencearmschannel2170]

I cleaned the rifle before the test so it wouldn't be at a disadvantage 👍🏻

[@mesniburek1652]

@independencearmschannel2170 ohh sorry for that... I didn't know

[@independencearmschannel2170]

@mesniburek1652 no biggy man 👍🏻 honestly I figured I'd have more comments just like yours lol

[@ModernGunGear]

I love Daniel Defense

[@adamgrimes820]

I’m really curious if they honor that warranty. That was an awesome video. I stayed until the end hoping for that cliff drop

[@serialseatsniffer5610]

I enjoyed your video. i watched it over a couple days. people dont understand the complexity of making a video, editing, all that it takes to make it in general. keep it going. Curious what DD has to say when that thing shows up for "warranty" lol. anyways. catch that vid when it comes.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

I just posted the pt.3 a wrap up on the DD videos go check it out! 👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you for watching we appreciate it! Also DD said they were excited to get it back lol

[@serialseatsniffer5610]

@@independencearmschannel2170 Love my daniel defense arms. Awesome. Will watch that later. 🤘

[@Ellienollie]

I think the oil is what caused the increased issues in the beginning. That much oil and immediately putting silt and sand in the gun is beyond extreme lol.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

I'll let you in on a little secret but you can't tell the others..... I cleaned the oil out prior to the test lol 😂

[@Ellienollie]

@ ok ok but that being said still thats a lot of oil inside the bolt. Did you take apart everything and degrease it and then properly lube or did you just wipe away the exess

[@independencearmschannel2170]

@Ellienollie degreased everything and then properly lubed it after

[@lonerandy]

Bro really did spell bodily "bottley"

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Sure did lol 😂 it's been months and ppl are just now catching on

[@-BC.]

Would love to see an AK style test next! Maybe a PSA vs Zastava (since you've done similar price ranges of AR variants) Would be interesting to see the difference in your sandy environment.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

We've talked about doing an AK before I was considering getting in touch with PSA I have a feeling though the AK won't last long just because it's so open to the environment I know they have a great reputation in Middle Eastern countries but those things run so loose

[@armorers_wrench]

@@independencearmschannel2170 If you're gonna do an AK don't waste your time with a PSA. Do a true AKM and as far as I know the only AKM sold on the market in the US right now built to the technical data package is the WASR10 which actually can be found RELATIVELY cheaply. I think you could get one for $800ish with the cheap plastic furniture.

[@lipidi1542]

No wonder UAsof seems to be using this gun as their standard weapon.

[@michamichaowski8375]

They use the V7 SLW with full auto trigger actually

[@dat1dude591]

Now that the ris 3 has been tested we need the ris 2

[@armorers_wrench]

That isn't a RIS3. That's their other handguard that has 4 bolts. RIS3 has 6 bolts and is actually a 2 piece design whereas this is a one piece extruded and machined aluminum rail. Very different actually.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Correct this is the mfr 15

[@AR-hv8sq]

To much oil in the beginning it attracted to much dirt

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Everyone wanted oil..... I did actually clean a lot of the oil out of camera 😂

[@thecarlonian]

​@@independencearmschannel2170 just gotta find the sweet spot😂

[@Not_Sure_81]

Too

[@independencearmschannel2170]

2

[@SWM1983]

The real torture test would be training with the bc and PSA and Dd ten thousand rounds each at a real rifle training course and see which one comes out on top! Also deliberately destroying a firearm and wondering why it doesn’t work is just plain stupid.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Your opinion is valued

[@2009whatsittoya]

First time here bud?

[@jimgenksxxl]

This guy!

[@HawkofValhalla]

I'd say maybe you should send him the ammo. Bet he would do your idiotic view of a torture test if you did. Do you know what 10k 5.56 would cost? Dude wouldn't even make the money back on that from the video WHILE destroying a gun on top of it. Better yet start your own channel and do your own 10k round "torture test" that rest of us call just shooting your guns regularly. Then you can loose out on the money you spent on ammo instead.

[@jbmc638]

What was rattling, a loose barrel nut or the hand guard?

[@independencearmschannel2170]

The handguard was moving on the barrel but

[@valentinlag2705]

like your channel and dd, from FRANCE

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Thank you!

[@thriftysurvivor6117]

I wander how much a pawn shop would give you for that thing. It is a Daniel Defense. 😁

[@independencearmschannel2170]

$600

[@thriftysurvivor6117]

@@independencearmschannel2170 Still more than you spent on the PSA. I must say that I wouldn't be able to drive myself to put my Daniel Defense through that kind of torture test. In that sort of torture test any AR should fair similarly; what separates a Daniel Defense from many lower end AR-15s is how long it will last under high rates of fire and yes, how much it takes to offset the rail, but it should be expected for any AR platform to fail under this kind of punishment. We must remember that this is a sample of one and the next DD might have faired better or the next PSA or BCA might have failed sooner. I have to say though that I really did enjoy watching how severe of punishment this platform can handle while still being able to function, particularly when you take the other two ARs you put through this same amount of punishment into account. Thanks for putting your own money at stake to make these videos.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

@thriftysurvivor6117 thank you I appreciate that and to be honest if qc is high and consistency of parts used are the same I would expect the same results if I rested 100 rifles of the same brand the only difference would be if my tests very

[@thriftysurvivor6117]

@@independencearmschannel2170 Makes sense to me. Thanks for your response.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Of course! I try to respond to all my viewers 👍🏻

[@Redslayer86]

Was wondering how these hold up, considering their cost.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Now you know just keep em clean

[@RunninOnCoal]

Follow up!!! What happened?

[@independencearmschannel2170]

I'm working on it lol it will be very soon I'll also have a channel update soon as well

[@CharlesWallace2]

I see you like Radian. Do a model 1 torture test lol.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

We have actually talked about it it really just depends on how the cards fall for that one.

[@knifetech101]

I just extracted a stripped screw from a two piece handguard and this was exactly what I needed to take the edge off

[@T20-c8f]

Argh, that sucks. Feel better bro. I had a similar screw up in July. I stripped a screw on my badger ordnance condition one mount that was holding my nightforce nx8 2.5-20. I was taking it apart to install the ARC cap and my Steiner MPS I had just got for my bday. It took 2 days with a drill and dremel, I scratched the hell out of my scope but I got the ring off. I wasn’t even excited for a few weeks there after until I went to the range and sighted it in. Worst part is I think I need to send the scope to nightforce because the reticle seems off to me and blurry on the left hand side/uncentered 😢. I’m waiting until the new year is over to continue the fight

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Haha hell yeah man

[@knifetech101]

@@T20-c8fliterally my same experience except with a brand new build I just assembled, then realized I had a clearance issue with the rail… once I used the cutoff wheel to make myself a flat head screw and remove the stripped sob, I went to town on the rail and aluminum blacked… looks perfect now.

[@armorers_wrench]

@@T20-c8f Hey bud midway USA sells a screw extractor kit. Basically you drill the screw a bit then run the extractor bit in it and it should screw out. I had to use one on a broken screw in a machined Glock slide because I overtorqued a screw when installing an optic. The kit was like $20 and it includes a variety of drill bit diameters/extractor diameters. Get that kit and a torque wrench. The torque wrench will make it so you don't break screws. The extractor kit is insurance.

[@armorers_wrench]

@@knifetech101 Read the comment I just wrote to that t20-c8f guy--tldr midway usa sells broken screw extractor kits and they're a lot easier to use than what you did and won't damage anything other than the broken screw. Get that kit and a wheeler torque wrench screw driver. The torque wrench prevents the broken screw in the first place and the extractor kit is for when you still somehow manage to sheer a screw xD

[@knifetech101]

If anything kills it it’s the Daniel charging handle 😱

[@ThatsAmore2142-mz1dj]

If you do a test on a DD RIS II rail, and it bends... you will have changed the course of this planet forever. Quad rail gang boys won't be able to handle it.

[@Nyrlyat]

I don't know, pretty new to firearms, but I'm pretty sure you need to put a bit more oil on that gun

[@thatonegearguy]

Wait, you live here in OR too?!?! How am I just now realizing that! Great tt as well.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Thank you! Yes I do love the state 🤘🏻

[@thatonegearguy]

@@independencearmschannel2170 there's definitely some nice parts, but the state govt like the governor sucks

[@independencearmschannel2170]

@thatonegearguy agreed 💯

[@rogersturges2399]

👍👍 I love my PSA and BC after your torture test I really respect both and trust them for their intended purpose (SHTF) I couldn’t do what you did to any of those firearms but it does answer a lot of questions about ar toughness thank you for having the courage to do this so I can learn from it and no that my gun will perform even if it gets used hard ah abused!!! Keep making informative and interesting videos only thing missing was the Trump dance at the end of the video 😂

[@boomerak4774]

You should try the Ris 2 with the carbine length gas system

[@bonvaicu]

ouch / this is expensive test / nice video ,

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Yes it was lol thank you!!

[@frankhernandez6651]

That price sucks for gun that won't work

[@inkland2003]

This is not a right way to handle a firearm!

[@michamichaowski8375]

Just watched the BCA test - the rail did not came loose. A cheap generic rail, while the superexpwnsive DD MFR went loose as a goose. That is super disapointing. The RIS 2 and 3 rail 6 bolt lock-up system is much, much stronger. The 4 tiny screw lock-up is a joke. The MFR rail went loose on every torture test I have watched. Junk. Do not buy

[@garythompson1371]

HEARING PROTECTION?

[@independencearmschannel2170]

What about it?

[@JayWilliams-mq2jl]

Do a Scar-L

[@mikerichardson3918]

I’m sure this extreme torture test is going to make the DD fans a little butt hurt that the DD didn’t fair better than a BCA. I can hear them now, “But you should test the DD and BCA in a combat situation and see which one fairs better”. News flash, if the DD can’t perform better than a BCA in this test then what does a combat scenario present that this test didn’t. LOL. But, but, but, the DD costs $1800 and the BCA is $600 so there’s that. LOL.

[@independencearmschannel2170]

Yeah everyone keeps telling me to shoot 20,000 + rounds through both and see with one has more failures. I personally don't know anyone with the time or money to put towards 40,000 plus rounds to prove something.

[@chaoticcaninejb]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@independencearmschannel2170]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AR-hv8sq]

2000 for a charging handle that brakes when you drop it and are troops use this crap

[@michamichaowski8375]

A Radian, BCM or Geissle would brake in the same situation also. All are just pieces of aluminium on rolled.pins. KAC makes a nice ambi charging handle that is one piece. That should hold up well

[@independencearmschannel2170]

We shall test that 🤙🏻

[@w.w.9047]

DD sucks. Next

[@michamichaowski8375]

The MFR rail is weak junk. The cheap BCA rail was rock solid and the super expensive MFR rail went loose, and it did it in every test I have seen

[@downwithbiden6970]

Bodily

[@independencearmschannel2170]

I know lol 🤣

[@deathtothewageslave]

So BCA is just as good😂