Daniel Schmachtenberger - Building Better Sensemaking | Modern Wisdom Podcast 348

[@ChrisWillx]

Yes team. The timestamps are below. And my first chat with Daniel is here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnu0kpaVicSlhtE 00:00 Intro 00:25 What is a Sensemaking Agent? 14:53 Decision-making in Politics 18:43 Becoming Better at Sensemaking 22:44 The Underlying Principles of Sensemaking 44:12 Comfort in the Unknown 45:05 The Lab-leak Hypothesis 51:15 U-Turning Politicians 55:26 Common Pitfalls in Sensemaking 1:01:30 Fixing Consequential World Problems 1:12:15 Will Human Emotions Limit Civilisation’s Potential? 1:27:47 Should We Slow Technological Growth? 1:39:40 Impact of Social Media on Humanity 1:44:46 Sensemaking in Legislation 1:51:46 Creating a Silo Community 2:00:15 Constraints of a Mars Community 2:02:11 Where to Find Daniel

[@michaelhazel6899]

Keep up the good work Chris and Daniel.

[@RandolfPinna]

1:20:00 sounds like "Spiral Dynamics"

[@TheListener01]

Thank you Chris and Daniel-can’t quite get enough of this-my sense making for sure needs refining, I still believe that the vaccines are not something I want a part of, I am for sure a moron.

[@Sherifaga]

Love the fact that Daniel is getting more and more mainstream

[@ChrisWillx]

The Church of Schmachtenberger is now in session.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Been thinking this. It's been interesting over the past few months to see him growing on my radar. Saw that he'd been on Bret Weinstein then listening to other stuff and his name started coming up so I listened to him and Bret and I am now watching just about every podcast and talk he's been part of. This is just the beginning. May the Church of Schmachtenberger reach the tipping point. Tim Ferriss Joe Rogan let's make it happen whatever it takes to get as many people as possible listening to the mindblowing eloquence and breadth of knowledge of this guy. Blows my mind everything

[@Sherifaga]

@@c3bhm yes. Jamie Wheal and Jules Evans are important people to be heard too

[@HughDavison]

@@ChrisWillx not sure he would be into this descriptor, but I see your point. I play my plants Schmachtenburger podcasts instead of Mozart

[@macthomas8899]

@@Sherifaga as well as Jordan Hall and Forest Landry.

[@jessekoptie1]

Daniel has one of the best real-time quality control mechanisms I’ve seen. Each question asked of him gets passed through an incredible honesty filter. I sense no scripted BS, he actually deeply considers each idea as it comes.

[@cathybliss3681]

yes sometimes we see him pause and contemplate before he gives an answer

[@nicknomski8399]

He appears so familiar with so many realms. One gets the sense he learns, reflects, contemplates, refines, learns, reflects...

[@papagraltz]

Albert Einstein said 'The more I learn, the more I realise I don't know' and my oh my does Daniel make you realise how true this is in the best way possible!

[@ChrisWillx]

Yep. Terrifying isn’t it

[@wasdwasdedsf]

the irony being he doesnt understand that himself

[@AaronMartinProfessional]

There is a huge reframe in this conversation of how we relate to reality that I hadn’t heard like this before. I want to mention it and write it out because I feel its value, I would like to share it and I want to remember it for myself. The reframe is about the heuristic “get okay with the unknown/ be comfortable with being uncomfortable” and starts around 1:00:00 Daniel begins his reframe like this: “Get okay with the unknown. There is an even more beautiful and poetic way to say it that I actually feel and think everyone feels, if they drop in… - is: - Actually connect to your love of reality. - If you didn’t have a love for reality you wouldn’t care if it got hurt. You wouldn’t care if you lost it. The fear of loss is because of something meaningful to you that you don’t want to loose. The anger you feel at anyone doing the wrong thing is because they’re harming something you care about. Care and love are the origin of all the other emotions, because otherwise you would just be apathetic and not give any shits. So ultimately I give shits about things because I have a care and love about life, my life, others lives, reality, that’s real. There is a love of reality, that is at the basis of the meaningfulness of anything. And reality is mostly unknown to me - I know the tiniest fragment. […] [There is a] love of reality and it’s mostly unknown […] - this is the spiritual sense of faith and trust - it’s extending the love of reality into the fact that most of it is unknown.” (I edited / left out parts in a way I felt serves the spirit and flow of what Daniel said without leaving out information.) I am aware that many spiritual traditions have similar underlying frameworks, but hearing it in this pragmatic, 21st century-long form KZbin-conversation-context had an impact on me that I wasn’t expecting. Just being uncomfortable with being uncomfortable seems like a heuristic that can easily be abused - and especially in the original crossfit example, by itself it’s obvious that it can lead to injury and harm. But noticing in that particular way that love/care is the original emotion in a sense - and that I can expand that care into the discomfort that is often accompanied by seeking out unknown spaces in the pursuit of finding out what’s right and what’s true, that was meaningful to hear. I am curious to find ways in which I can remember this and let it inform my actions. Thank you for this conversation Daniel + Chris. 🙏

[@EnemyOfEldar]

This was an incredible capturing of the gestalt of something Daniel goes on about often. Well done man! It really helped me and focus on that mark. Around 1hr was when it got good in the way you -- a reframing of a fundamental human religious instinct in logical 21st century terms that honours the discoveries of science and honours the fact we all exist and suffer and don't really know why. Thank you Aaron! You upped my game as well.

[@AaronMartinProfessional]

@@EnemyOfEldar Oh thank you for writing and I am happy to hear that it was helpful. I will relisten to that part again. :)

[@flowstategmng]

I'm glad to see that at least someone caught this brilliant concept of Daniel's. If I can, I'd like to add to this by way of something else Daniel said in this very conversation. Daniel pointed out the fact that most humans are all or nothing. They work hard at something, then when it appears they were either wrong/don't understand/is failing, they revert to nihilism. "I give up, I can't do this, I don't care anymore." The way to beat this is to both admit you don't understand, but to still work hard in that ignorance. This is the resultant disposition of someone who truly loves their reality. He talked about how someone sent him a fringe study on the evolution of humanity, and his friend wanted to know what he thought. Daniel's response was, "I don't know, but it seems interesting." This frustrated his friend, because he wanted David to come down in some place of certainty with his thoughts. But, Daniel was okay with not having a final answer, and in no way did that ignorance derail Daniel. This was difficult for his friend to understand, but it's the underlying power of loving reality. Not only must we be comfortable with the unknown, we must not let said ignorance deter our resolve to continue working at the problem. While we can reach a point were we are ok with being not ok, we must also allow that to be the driving force for us to keep at it, and not let FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) deflate our sails, but rather fill them up. Great to see more people hearing Daniel. If you want more of him, find a KZbin channel called "The Seeking". Daniel regularly shows up there and goes far deeper than he does in these interviews. I would also recommend the Concilience Project as well. Keep growing, my friends. Cheers.

[@sonikgoat]

@Gunnplay sorry to be 'that guy', but you mean Daniel, not David right? My sense is that you'd like to edit your post, or maybe I'm just being too pedantic 🙂

[@flowstategmng]

@@sonikgoat Yep, huge mistake on my part. Thanks for the heads up. 👍👌

[@SadPanda94]

Daniel never ceases to amaze me with his thinking and articulation. Ty for the podcast Chris!

[@boniknik1981]

Chris W. is such an excellent host / interviewer and Daniel S. is awesome as always. I love this duo. ❤

[@TwoHighways]

Daniel is a sense making sensei! The breadth of this guy’s knowledge is remarkable. Big picture processing/principles is so much more valuable than specific expertise.

[@nicknomski8399]

Sense making sensei, nice! 👍

[@manisandher]

It's so refreshing when an interviewer allows a guest to actually finish their train of thought without interrupting. And some excellent summaries by Chris - I loved his "cultural conditioning masquerading as human nature in the modern world" summary. Showed he was really listening. And of course Daniel was excellent... as always.

[@kaiserchief9319]

Downloading this and heading to a private island in two weeks. That's the only place where I can make sense of Daniel Schmactenberger. God, I hope my reptilian brain can understand this.

[@nicknomski8399]

One of this planet's most brilliant minds

[@rpjswish]

Whoa.. I don't do drugs (except for caffeine), but this discussion makes me feel high.. glad to hear that some of the moves I've made are in line with Daniel's suggestions: curating my feeds, exploring topics that fundamentally interest me, narrowing my focus to the needs at hand, knowing that I don't know a lot. His point on how becoming a parent changes you dramatically, forcing work that you didn't do for a higher purpose is so spot on; I'll add that most large changes do this.. so make some changes. Thank you Chris and Daniel!

[@Deliadaliadoo]

Schmactenberger always says so much in so little time. To unpack the first 10 mins would take 10 days!

[@mikepaulus4766]

The most interesting thing about Chris is that he will sit and listen to a brilliant, and intellectually honest guest without saying a word.

[@rafaelfonsecaaugusto3438]

Daniel words, if we listen to them, beg for a deep analysis of our own minds. Ive noticed a lot of things in me (retrospectively) during this conversation, i know, as of now, that i cant put the same effort for the narrative that is less atuned to my sensemaking, but instead of feeling bad for it i noticed the value of being conscience about those tendencies and the value of making that fact part of the process of creation by humans. Very cool and love the effort in filtering and making easier to understand and thinking in a broader perspective than most common people arent used to.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

OUTSTANDING. Really really excellent conversation! You have made a permanent record of some of the best instructions for individual sense-making that I have yet seen ANYWHERE. On a scale of 1-10 for usefulness and meaning, this conversation scores a 12. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@joedavis4150]

... This is the most substantive content I've seen in a year or two. Thank you, Chris Williamson.

[@brikenavokopola7198]

Thanks Chris and Daniel

[@ChrisWillx]

Yeah, imagine trying to do that in real time where you’re expected to reply with something cogent too 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[@brikenavokopola7198]

@@ChrisWillx haha, i feel you. :D

[@OfZeitgeist]

57:17 let every person on the planet hear Daniel's words. He holds the keys to the Enlightened #ConversationsThatChangeTheWorldStartedHere

[@henrykkaufman1488]

Thanks Chris, thanks Daniel! it's great having you talk again so soon!

[@ChrisWillx]

I’m gonna make it an annual tradition, that’s how long it takes to absorb the last episode

[@henrykkaufman1488]

@@ChrisWillx yup, the guy is lightyears ahead with insights of quantum precision. AND he's genuine.

[@ladyshaya]

Even if I deleted my social media and try to be very selective with my sources of news and information, most of what I come across give me nightmares and anxieties. Podcasts like these are balm on my tattered soul

[@nicki4515]

Loved this, felt like taking a slow, deep breath for my prefrontal cortex.

[@jmoney1941]

My fav public intellectual by far.

[@rotolandoverso688]

Chris, thank you for this interview. Honestly, I think it's the best interview I am yet to see with Daniel. You gave him ample space to elaborate his ideas, as well as thoughtful and discussion-stimulating questions. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and looked forward to each segment as I watched it over the space of a few days. Also commenting to appease the KZbin algorithm, in the hope that it will mean other people might come across this kind of content. And that it might enrich their life and improve their perspective, in the same way it is slowly, (due to my own shortcomings..!) doing for mine.

[@onlyrealstuff9704]

This guy is such a genius at human psychology/philosophy

[@jezdavis1865]

Excellent podcast, thanks. All the more so because you weren't doing what so many interviewers try to do with Daniel and trying to catch the eye of the audience with your 'stunning questions that reveal you to be on the same level as Daniel'. Very few are. On the contrary you asked important questions that genuinely need to be posed, because after expounding his own thoughts for so long Daniel also needs to be given the opportunity to address the massively important but f**king stupid questions along the lines of 'Do you think humanity is capable of that?' They're very 'English' questions but they're absolutely brutal in their world-weary cynicism; they prevent us from making progress because there'll always be some tw*t who comes out with them. You gave Daniel the chance to address these destructive attitudes, and to smash them for six. In addition, well done for taking his hits on the chin and keeping the humour so positive throughout. He started out looking a bit weary (he must be after saying essentially the same thing week in, week out for months); but by the halfway point here he was smiling, and that's not something he often seems to do. Again; excellent work. Thanks.

[@tensevo]

Such a good analogy, when two people can see a cylinder, one will see a circle, the other will see a rectangle, and there is truth in both view points.

[@olivergilpin]

Thanks for timestamps! Note to self to come back to: 51:15 U-Turning Politicians 1:12:15 Will Human Emotions Limit Civilisation’s Potential? 2:00:15 Constraints of a Mars Community

[@robwindsor6373]

Awesome vid. You both are men of integrity and very appreciated

[@mygirl737g2]

another really great conversation!!! i am guilty of switching from certainty to nihilism in one step - just recently began the journey of becoming comfortable with uncertainty and I've found it's relaxing/freeing.

[@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus]

Chris! I haven't read Seven Eves yet but it's waiting (im)patiently on my shelf. If you're enjoying (or at least being engaged by) the thoughts and ideas that stem from the idea of a siloed community, I can't recommend highly enough Hugh Howey's Wool trilogy. Especially relevant/prescient with a lot of trends and events happening this decade and beyond. If you haven't read it already, I implore you to at least write it down, put it on your list, etc. Thanks for another great conversation Chris - I always love to listen to Daniel Smackdown-Burger regardless of the forum, but I've especially enjoyed this interaction between the two of you and seeing his perspective on some of your recent ideas. I was particularly intrigued by the concept of gaining social standing relative to how much you allow your perspective to be challenged and influenced by oppositional forces. Perhaps only because my social standing in our current world is approximately 0.32/10 and I feel perhaps I could scrabble up to a solid 5, maybe a 6 under such an ideological development-based social media algorithm. Regardless, --- Wool Shift Dust --- Go.

[@Jack_Parsons-666]

Daniel, how can we get you to be a keynote speaker in Davos? Or perhaps the next meeting at the Council on Foreign Relations?

[@danielzzmm]

Thank you for this mind opening conversation. We all have heard that common sense is the least common of the senses, about time to start changing that.

[@jdelaplaya9678]

Decided to re watch as was distracted first time around. Chris does a reply good job of getting the best out of Danie👍👍

[@tensevo]

Conflict is rarely, if ever, about making the world worse, it is almost exclusively a battle between two individuals or groups that want to make the world a better place, but each group (actor or agent) has radically different ideas about how to improve the world and make it better.

[@MoonChildMedia]

@ 27:34 - 28:20 He says the most important thing in this video. I wish everyone understood this.

[@jedjedjedjedjedjed]

Good to see you guys chatting

[@ryantuohy6890]

You’re kicking ass Chris! Thank you and keep it up 🤠

[@tazldn6463]

Thanks Chris, two more hours of my life that I now feel compelled to spend listening to your podcast!

[@ChrisWillx]

#addicted

[@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus]

@@ChrisWillx I see what you did there

[@leedufour]

Thanks Daniel and Chris!

[@lilyroa1960]

The emotional or wounded is how most show up!! Spiritual Bypassing! 🧠🤝❤️

[@nicknomski8399]

47:00 through to 50:00, analysis of the narrative surrounding the lab leak hypothesis, provides a very clear example of how constructed narratives, appealing to innate biases, 'capture' people (to use Daniel's phrase). (I only mention it because I have a bias in that direction, but the point is a great one and dang it if I'm not going to pay more attention to all my other biases and shit from here on in forever more!)

[@joedavis4150]

... The great teacher, Stephen Gaskin, said that real morals is taking care of the energy when no one is looking.

[@kellanaldous7092]

My strategy is the same idea but the opposite. I just never click like on any news videos. I've been doing this for years and I regularly get the news from all sides in my feed.

[@theseeker7616]

Daniel actually admitted D.U.M.B.s are real. Love it!

[@dillonjohnlane]

Fantastic! great questions, very sharp discussion, many thanks.

[@HiJackShepherd]

13:23 "We should all be pretty dubious of our own certainty." 14:25 "So there's a lot of reasons to have everybody double down on their worst traits of unwarranted certainty and sanctimony." Each of us has a perspective and worldview with creates a MAP and yet we too often forget that THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY. To update our map to be more accurate and complete we first have to admit it isn't completely accurate and then add information from direct experience and/or other people's maps. Is humility the first step to wisdom?

[@abrahamelgin4620]

It'd be great to watch you two talk in person

[@ChrisWillx]

Next year hopefully. Watch this space

[@joedavis4150]

... In friend circles and information we need to be both comprehensive and accurate. Get everyone, get all sides.

[@OfZeitgeist]

1:26:00 Touché Daniel

[@OfZeitgeist]

Bravo! Gentlemen 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@orsoncart802]

Eye-opening! Stunning! 👍👍

[@gundy9641]

"If you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice." - Neil Peart (Rush)

[@gundy9641]

@Lila James I think Neil plays better drums. 😉

[@karl6525]

Wow you could start a busy "clips channel" with only bits from this conversation alone! x') Damn good stuff sir

[@karl6525]

Like 1:33:30 ish for ex; The amoral nature of techne, like human potential/nature, and how pathological conditioning results in a spiral of perverse incentives thats exacerbates the "trajectory". But that, equally, by choice and through wisdom, maturity and compassion the "opposite" is possible.

[@karl6525]

And then 1:35:00 Daniel corrects me with an interesting point of how it is in fact not (necessarily) amoral, because the tech innovation has downstream consequences that I might be able to account for only ex post facto. Epistemological Humility is todays lesson...

[@joedavis4150]

... A narrative camp is regimentation of thought...

[@tensevo]

Regarding the hyper-zeitgeist formation. Perhaps speak with Mattias Desmet, I think it has something to do with the free floating anxiety, that people are seeking to quench with certainty. It is referred to as the pre-totalising state, where mass narrative formation occurs, and no amount of counter-reason will affect it.

[@dzikdziki2983]

Confirmation bias is extremely strong. Sometimes i can't even look at opposing argument without feeling sick... And I want to look... How much time you have to expose yourself to look at these ideas and analize/ factcheck them. Who has time and fortitude? We naturaly don't make friends with people of opposite ideas ..

[@jezdavis1865]

It’s important to remember that, if we phrase it in Daniel’s words, there’s nearly always signal in the noise. So if someone says they hate non-white people, we don’t focus on that, we focus on the insecurity. What do they fear that they believe non-white people may bring about? Do they feel their education inadequate in the workplace and that someone else may do a better job than them? If someone has a pain in their knee, focusing in the pain might help but addressing the cause is always better.

[@HarryBalzak]

He said all Libertarians are okay with the military draft... WTF? I don't know a single Libertarian that is okay with the draft. This is my gift to him.

[@joedavis4150]

...... Daniel's shirt is exactly like one I wear a lot!

[@martynspooner5822]

Little wheels spin and spin and the big wheels turn around. The best sense making seems always to be done in hindsight. Strange that.

[@myneolithicself2009]

The blue shirt made me realize that he reminds me of beast from the X-Men

[@MrAjwin]

Could a small group of enlightened individuals with the necessary power make idea decisions for a large society? Are there thresholds? What are they?

[@Good_Horsey]

So glad your channel is on Odysee. 👍

[@ChrisWillx]

They’re really looking after me! I’m very impressed with them

[@redlipmarketing867]

59:59 Reminder!!!

[@ShariLikesFruit]

Daniel! 🤗💜

[@OfZeitgeist]

14:00 but what is right and wrong changes, half life of truth etc. Admitting you may be wrong is just being open as opposed closed

[@joedavis4150]

... Mark Twain said that all you need for success is ignorance and perseverance.

[@joedavis4150]

... Concerning values, it is important to listen to the doctor Hook & The Medicine Show song, let the loose end drag.

[@mrjones7222]

Genius both💪👍👍🙏

[@joedavis4150]

... Values are crucially important...

[@johnnarogers2088]

Personally, under the current circumstances, my sense making is telling me to cover 'thy own ass'. We have went as far as to liquidate, buy land, build a house and go offgrid. We took our $$, kids and are investing in ourselves. Also in this plan is outreach in our community.

[@independentinstallations8419]

I respect your courage and strength to put your families importance above the convenience of suburbia . Your kids will benefit greatly by your decision and your value structure will naturally shift back to what is most important for our limited time on this planet! Love to hear an update after 1st year !

[@ffl0]

Great stuff!

[@joedavis4150]

... Refraining from acting can be as positive a step forward as acting...

[@nicknomski8399]

1:46:05, sounds like a pun: "Yeah, ve are!"

[@elliotm]

YA LOVE TO SEE IT! #schmactmeup

[@jjuniper274]

How can anyone down vote this?

[@terrishajames9212]

50:40 “What was the driving force that wanted it [the idea of covid not being a lab leak] to be certain and push against the other narrative so strong” - you get called a conspiracy theorist when you ask this question but it’s the most important question in my opinion

[@Trazynn]

I love Daniel but I really wish he wasn't riffing through the same points every podcast. That said, should he ever write a book I'd buy a stack of it and give it to all my friends.

[@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus]

@reflector I definitely hear you here. Perhaps Daniel drifts back to these same topics and points because they are what he sees as important for the world to be thinking about and considering at this time. Perhaps we could field questions and/or assemble a list of different topics or challenges to forward to Chris for the next time he interviews Daniel?

[@EnemyOfEldar]

Good stuff. I think it would be good assemble a Google Doc of important questions discussion point that the Schmachtenberger bandwagon can post to nearly any podcast he appears on.

[@independentinstallations8419]

@@c3bhm I loved that discussion! It showed another side of Daniel rarely captured . Almost a more relaxed and playful demeanor I think Lex brought out perfectly. Especially enjoyed hearing him describe his relationship with his father as well as hearing some genuine laughter made the gap in my intellect seem smaller. This one im back to feeling like a small child listening to the grown ups talk.

[@leebrown1049]

A self sufficient community living away from normal society....are you wanting to go back onto Love Island Chris? (Joking) Great interview. keep up the great work

[@ChrisWillx]

Imagine Daniel on Love Island

[@bSMith266]

can i ask a question? Are you procrastinating face to face podcasts. Do you fear them. Face to face is the next level.

[@ChrisWillx]

I live in the UK. Daniel is in America.

[@bSMith266]

@@ChrisWillx Didnt realise all your guests were from abroad

[@joedavis4150]

... Viva la rationality and anti rivalry!

[@nicknomski8399]

Chris's question at around 13:25 about aliens 😂

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[@andrewdavid7070]

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[@OfZeitgeist]

22:00 what happens if individuals of a large number don't have the cognitive ability for sense making? How are they identified and managed in the dialectic to ensure they don't negatively impact the Group?

[@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus]

Man, trying to think about responding to this question goes south really quick. I understand the intent behind the question but "identified and managed...to ensure they don't negatively impact the group" gives me the willies. I think you're just putting a sense-making spin on the 'uneducated masses' class propaganda that Daniel mentioned. I think what he was saying was that we should all be equipped, to the extent possible, with the best tools for sense-making, at the level at which it is relevant to and supports and improves our own lives and those of our families and communities, and at the level we are willing and capable of engaging in. It's unlikely to expect that you would ever get 100% of the population on board with *anything*, let alone intellectualization of Daniel's caliber. I think the intention is to lay the ideas and tools out and start teaching more people how to pick them up and build with them rather than just allow the current technocratic dopamine harvesting regime to roll completely unchecked down the path to Huxley's Brave New World.

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus exactly.

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@AnIdeaIsLikeAVirus your response alone proves my point. There are swathes of people who would not be able to understand what you just said. Now what?

[@OfZeitgeist]

I guess I'm trying to highlight that the humans who are Captured by the virus of bad ideas don't have the ability to do what you are suggesting. Not because they are bad people but because they don't have the capacity. I see this as a crack in the bow of the ship that is sinking.

[@robertmacdonaldch5105]

@@OfZeitgeist this is one of the great flaws in Libertarianism, because it rests on the Humanist ideas that we most definitely can .ake man ascend to higher and higher planes. While we certainly can do better and have a better average, Daniels argument rests on many assumptions, it assumes all humans are physical and biological equal, which they most certainly are not. And you yourself cite most dont have the "capacity " to in this case reach a level of self governance for an enlightened society. I dont just mean mental, many people are too busy, or trying to care for family, or damaged in some way. It's silly to claim something is propaganda when it can be found among nearly all peoples, though recorded history. That consistent of factor is far deeper than simply a lack of education.

[@joedavis4150]

... A lot of podcasters would rather have Praise heaped on them in the comment section, t h a n to have intelligent additions to the discussion.

[@joedavis4150]

... To grow the wisdom, we need to stop the heavy regimentation in school. School is largely to condition us to report for work everyday, and to obey without question. And to be very rivalrous. Have you ever been at a school sports event? Kids die driving across the state to sports events.

[@anonymousthreader269]

Awesome convo! QQ

[@kellanaldous7092]

All the people I know that don't already think critically are the type of people who would never have the ability to absorb this. What's the solution?

[@joedavis4150]

... " unwarranted certainty"... we see a lot of this in the war on cannabis... we are conditioned to Value certainty over continually seeking a more accurate truth...

[@joedavis4150]

... In ethical Behavior, Force should be avoided. We should use Force only to defend against physical attack.

[@OfZeitgeist]

16:00 Govts don't care if the decision is wrong. They are short term planners. Without a change to the governance system, nothing will change.

[@OfZeitgeist]

It seems sitting on the fence or inaction can result in no progress if everything is considered in the sense making process. There are always unknowns. And sometimes unknown unknowns. No decision is still a decision with consequences

[@OfZeitgeist]

18:00 how can everyone be on board when the Public has been purposely divided?

[@robertmacdonaldch5105]

Why do we assume a "new" system will fix the problems when flawed people have messed up every system tried?

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@robertmacdonaldch5105 good question. I guess because the chaos is less when the slate is clean.

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@robertmacdonaldch5105 good question. I guess because the chaos is less when the slate is clean.

[@joedavis4150]

... One should do a sufficient amount of entheogenic plants and fungi....

[@etfacetimehome]

1:34:16 tech coding values into people, game theory, spirit of buffalo example

[@joedavis4150]

... Let's hope that showing up in KZbin comments is sufficiently substantive....

[@IK_1980]

Daniel comes very close to a 'structuralist' view alike Peter Joseph around 1:20. Interesting.

[@joedavis4150]

... education is largely regimentation. Regimentation has an inertia that is hard to change.

[@OfZeitgeist]

10:00 Daniel the "success" of totalitarianism currently could be less to do with the structure and values and more to do with the kinds of people that enter politics in non totalitarianism states. The kinds of people in now are moving towards totalitarianism with apparent ease, with no dialectic on values. Values are being imposed in the West now.

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@c3bhm i don't think i ever mentioned left or right

[@swingset1969]

@@c3bhm How dare anyone criminalize infanticide. Who could support that? Anyway, on with your infantile comparison.

[@Lexrezende]

@@swingset1969 Infanticide? That response only proves the point of the guy that was talking about the impossibility of dialoguing with the far right. There's no dialogue possible when people consider forms of life unable to feel, has consciousness and think like a zigote, a morula, a blastula, a gastrula and a neurula, that are almost indistinguishable from other species embryos at these stages (animals whose adults and even infants those people kill and eat possibly daily without any remorse) the same as a human baby. I'm particularly against abortion for religious reasons and would never do it, but I know that my beliefs aren't the same of other people and that science isn't on my side in this topic. It's exactly what Daniel was talking about reality and the unknown. People have to be able to find balanced solutions, question their beliefs and make concessions or the result will be war instead of harmony.

[@joedavis4150]

... 2021, Daniel keeps mentioning Facebook.... I think Instagram is absolutely the cat's pajamas.

[@joedavis4150]

... " actually connect to your love of reality"...

[@rayuk3939]

Perhaps this anti bias algorithm will show 1 opposing view per 5 videos. This particular algorithm can be imposed by the law so that every private company needs to run. This anti bias video would be the highest most trending video of the opposing view.