Evolve Hadean - I don't get it.

[@DanielKwan]

Will you get the Evolve Hadean?

[@OliverKempel]

hwellll naw

[@sharky1854]

yeah when i win the lottery and than il buy this maybe or just 3 wowgo at2 or 2 exway atlas 2wd's

[@ye11owb0y21]

fawwwkkkkk noooo

[@mattbaillargeon]

Nope, I’m happy with the lonestar I got. Anyone who gets this is an evolve fanboi

[@mrreddington777]

Hells fucking no. Unless you’re a KZbin influencer and get this board for free, there should be no reason why you’re even reviewing this. Unless your viewers are all rich.

[@ClarkDroneFilms]

I don't think they will be sending you a review unit 😂

[@colealgeo2785]

Yep…

[@ssslade7052]

he could go back and change a lot of peoples mind if its worth it now at this price

[@TheTanelChannel]

@@ssslade7052 Ive ridden the GTR for years and this summer got to test the Hadean... Im getting that shit! The range is insane but the acceleration is just ludicrous.. absolutley bananas on the 97mm street setup... even though the GTR already felt insane.. this thing is like beyond crazy. Very fun board to drive on.

[@Bearforceone]

@@TheTanelChannel Now ride any other brand board at this level and you'll never touch an evolve ever again.

[@TheTanelChannel]

@@Bearforceone I dont see why unless I want to go AT wheels finally and then 50kmh is slowish yes. But Hadean offers pretty much everything you want and has the best remote out of everyone by far, the user experience is nr1. I get if u ride AT then its not as fast but for street setup 40kmh is sketchy as hell and you get to 40kmh in like 1-2 seconds on the Hadean which is insane fun.

[@MentalEdge]

The reason you haven't had to re-calibrate other remotes, is because other remotes re-calibrate themselves EVERY TIME YOU TURN THEM ON! If you hold the control-wheel off-center while you turn a remote on, it will actually tell you to let go. This is because it needs to re-detect center on power-up to make sure acceleration and braking always works correctly. That the evolve remotes don't work this way, and have to be calibrated manually, is beyond me.

[@silvercrypto4284]

Didn't know that but I can see how it makes sense. 👍

[@haku4841]

That’s disgusting

[@rusinsr]

Love hearing your insight! As a DIYer, it blew my mind to learn that Evolve boards before the Hadean used a square wave input to drive the motors (BLDC mode). Like, what?!?? Not what I expected from such a big electric skateboard maker.

[@ArizonaJewell]

Same here for sure. I’m also a DIY guy and I can’t believe that evolve hasn’t been using FOC. Hobbywing ESCs are FOC capable and are dirt cheap. You can buy a hub motor hobbywing ESC from ownboard WITH a remote included for $29. I have no idea why evolve would shoot themselves in the foot by not using a sine wave ESC.

[@rusinsr]

@BigFatCone Yup. Single focbox was the first vesc 4 based esc that could do FOC reliably, and basically every vesc based esc since then (definitely vesc 6 based ones) handle it perfectly. BLDC is loud, and braking can catch you off guard. 99% of people use FOC these days.

[@ArizonaJewell]

@BigFatCone Yeah FOC has become the de facto standard these days. I will say though that I have tried out a couple evolves before and I never would’ve guessed they were running on BLDC mode. It’s a tad jerky, but in lower speed modes it really doesn’t feel like BLDC at all. Still have no clue why evolve didn’t switch to FOC earlier though.

[@DarkBloodyFoxy]

I guess it means that there is no real difference in practical application like esk8 between FOC and BLDC :D

[@jimmysyar889]

Pretty sure it's trapezoidal not square and technically it's not a bldc anymore its a PMSM or permanent magnet synchronous motor.

[@RCSkate]

Everything you outlined is great and 100%. Thanks for sharing. Why did Evolve over price this board? It may be a move to get people talking, but that strategy might not work out in their favor.

[@phoenixprimus]

If I hadn’t just bought the GTR a year ago, I would. I understand all the frustration with the pricing but since I’m NOT a manufacturer… I really can’t have an opinion on that. All I know is that when I wanted a electric skateboard, only 1 company had one available within days of me wanting it. I don’t know if that plays into the pricing, but what good a great affordable board that will come to me in months? If you can wait, great. If you have the money and don’t want to, Evolve will get you carving up the street in days.

[@TLPagut]

The MIL-STD-810G drop test tests the resistance to shock of electrical equipment on surfaces. In total, 26 drops from about 4 feet (phones, laptops) are necessary to perform the complete drop test.

[@DanielKwan]

Thank you

[@charlietube7165]

@@DanielKwan I like the electrical motorbikes from China much cooler

[@AlexKnappy]

Your video was instrumental in my refusing delivery of my ordered Hadean Carbon, and using the money instead towards the Endeavor Pro (of which your video also did well to convince me)! Keep up the great work steering folks in the right direction! :)

[@speedbagwizard9880]

I just ordered mine anyway , Mr negative pants

[@boneheadnumber1409]

How did it go? Are you still riding it?

[@speedbagwizard9880]

@@boneheadnumber1409 unfortunately I had to move back from new Zealand to UK, so cancelled my order last moment, but I'll be still getting one at some ne point

[@boneheadnumber1409]

@@speedbagwizard9880 consider acedeck. What Daniel said in this video holds true today, really for all of evolves products. Ignorance is bliss tho.

[@AkiraSumida1]

At $3k, may as well go with a Trampa and get 6376 motors with gear drives... Easily leave the Hadean behind like a relic of the past lol

[@CraigTaylorYT]

Great to hear your thoughts. 🙏

[@ryanberardelli2363]

Personally, I love double trigger remotes. For that price you can build a banging DIY with at least twice the range and performance

[@chris_panda]

Hadean vs Exway would be an awesome comparison! 🤟🏻

[@MaVeRiCk77]

Exway gets smoked.

[@darrenmalone9602]

@@MaVeRiCk77 Fair enough ..U speak firmly...like a little (what vs proof do you offer?) im...if have it? A righteous maker of that remark should be helping us to get closer to the truth whatever it may be. I don't sweat either brands as they are kinda strong & weak in various department(s)... Better than the Atlas?...hmmm🤔 $890 dollar (approx.) price difference.

[@kieras255]

Exway all day..

[@darrenmalone9602]

@@kieras255 Yeah...I own 2 X1 Pro Riots..I beat em up & run them all day 365 days a year...they perform well & never gave me problems other than expected...The 🔋 is not ideal...However they sell a really good fast charger. The only way for us to do better is diy one to our liking...otherwise all the other board makers are gaming us with under powered esc's & batteries so we keep coming back. Sooner or later one of two things will happen...DIY gets way less expensive or the big name companies that survive do the right thing & make a board that strong and fairly priced...until then keep your old board & clean it up...fix & upgrade what you can & should. Chances are you knew this already. Note: I made a basic board from 3 leftover boards parts...I runs decently...carves good but needs alittle little more work on the rear suspension control & comfort. (That's where a Exway really shows it's excellence in performance and handling...) first generation Hobbywing ESC -12 miles range runs 24 mph...30° inclines no problem on a WOWGO 2S HUB drive all other components bushings bearings etc have been purchased on sale on eBay...or FB MARKET PLACE. It runs...its not top shelf...it take 2 hours to charge... If you got 3 thousand to spare then buy what you like...if your not holding big money...build a basic commuter board...You will be running while the high priced boards are waiting for parts😒😬😜.

[@patricktrinh9389]

@@MaVeRiCk77 bruh exway atlas pro destroys evolve

[@ryan.2327]

"woow, foc, just like hobbywing" "sign wave, wow, just like pretty much every other motor controller." LMAO diy had foc like forever now. pretty sad chinaboards had foc before this premium company. smoking motors tell me they r going to overheat like last 2 gens. now imagine all the fan boys saying they have foc when everyone else had it for a long time...

[@yucelsifontes8184]

Great critical review from someone who is incredibly knowledgeable and understands the importance of the board being affordable to the everyday consumer.

[@goontheracoon]

they use less in carbon deck than other boards.. thats why.. it doesnt save space, it saves them cash, and it costs 1k more than other boards, has smaler battery pack, same engines and same vesc.. sooo yeah..

[@burned_esc]

did anybody noticed that all the guys from evolve look like crooked cops on a dishonored discharge ? 🤔

[@davidmcgowen9527]

IIt sounds like a POS for the price as the original evolves aren’t that good anyway compared to other products way less of a price

[@darrenmalone9602]

Hey Dave when you have a free moment...would you name what you believe is better...It helps us defy the urge to purchase overpriced boards And that is what EVOLVE is banking on...You may be able to educate & save us $.

[@robras2850]

Acedeck for example out of nowhere better and cheaper, even meepo are better 🤣 and Tynee is awesome

[@apokalypso2163]

The 12 dislike are evolve fan boys for sure ahah

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk 😂

[@jl8096]

brace yourself more fanboys coming!

[@maxdagosti94]

@@jl8096 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ66kqaNrM6Hd8k

[@barelytrine]

Evolve is gonna be the next Boosted, they're going to price themselves outta the market. Go #Meepo!

[@ryanschulz9893]

i hope so. i find it hilarious when people think its worth the price

[@rumihayes6907]

And Go Exway!

[@nycjt6267]

at least boosted wasn't sh1t talkers

[@robras2850]

Go Acedeck or TYNEE

[@contorta960]

The other advantage of a chassis is it makes it harder for people to upgrade down the line. Can't easily put any other motor controller in there, who knows how the plastic and fibreglass will wear. Stops evolve customers DIY'ing their decks because they're not decks anymore they're a chassis and plastic. One interesting thing is those air vents seem to be purely aesthetics as the bamboo varient has no air vents lol. So it just runs hotter or they're just for show on the carbon? If they've addressed the issues that plagued their previous motor controllers then this board would be sound at the right price point. This board should of been the GTR .. you pay 3k for this thing and next year it's going to be years behind in the industry. Wrong price and wrong year.

[@pjortmaszyna]

the thing is whatever evolve comes up with there'll be people smart enough to make their way to put a proper ESC (VESC obviously) and get rid of their idiotic bms just to make their board usable again after it dies, cause it's crap. even gen 1 carbon got modified so hard evolve can only learn, but hey, it's premium price, so it's got premium service, right? lol, not after guarantee expires, just buy a new, better one. i just hate them so much for trying to be (bad) Apple in this business. it's ridiculous how they brainwash their customers. over 3000 dollars for a board this outdated is a pure joke.

[@jasonzheng5839]

“On a concrete surface with a plywood layer” so on plywood, lol

[@LORFCASTER]

The remote would never be dropped on plywood in a real world scenario, so this was silly. Should of been concrete ( not asphalt since thats softer ). Also, the precise number ? lol...

[@alexlittig7927]

@@LORFCASTER they ran it over with a truck and threw it 25 feet on to asphalt. also they did take away the plywood and dropped it a few times. did you even pay attention?

[@denondebonde]

yea, twice, did u not see the video ?

[@WiFeYBurGLeR1]

I hope you go in on Exway like this with the whole battery swap they did to customers that bought boards and waited 2 months to receive them.

[@ElGuapoDeSantoPoco]

Can't wait to see a full report on this !!! Finally we will be freed from the Premium Power joke 😂

[@Sosh_euc]

2k+ kms on the gtr. That new remote looks sweet! That board is definitely overpriced for what it is

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk😂

[@darrenmalone9602]

@@maxdagosti94 Agreed upon...That remote really looks durable...In the end who knows for sure?...All boards kinda have issues of one kind our another...budget or high end need adjustments from time to time. Buy whatsoever pleases you...money permitting this is the most fun a human can have on land...(in the sport or hobby department😝)

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ66kqaNrM6Hd8k Honest review of the HADEAN

[@gavinsayer5260]

Glad I clicked on this video made me laugh so much thank u Daniel.

[@thetunows]

Asked evolve and still they don't want to tell what battery brand they use

[@matthewwheatley4740]

Nailed it. You get most of this in other boards for at least a thousand dollars less. This is all hype. Off to rip on my onsra...

[@rbrdly]

Careful. Cost depends on the market. I'm in Aus and considering an unknownboard m5 (UK built). They rabbit on about it being 1000GBP cheaper than the Hadean. But in Australia, they're only a few hundred dollars different after currency conversion and shipping. So yeah, the rest of the world gets screwed when they want an Evolve. We get screwed the other way.

[@streetscholar1986]

Dan you the man and you crack me up

[@twelvewingproductions7508]

14:50 Does that surprise you? Previously they contracted to make their decks in China and there was a Chinese knockoff of their board on the market before they were even done developing their new remote. So I think it may be time people woke up to what China is doing as far as intellectual property theft. Sure, as you say, it leads to boards that are "comparable" at half the price... but what about the components? I've yet to test a Chinese cell that actually matched what was written on the case. China... needs to get it's shit together and start actually playing by the rules of international commerce. So yeah.. it shouldn't be any surprise to you that they don't ship to China. China... owes them a lot of money... and an apology. My gut tells me that these new boards are made in Australia or some other country that actually honors intellectual property. But I haven't looked into it. It would explain the price hike.

[@actionyakson]

Really enjoyed this one!

[@JoeyCbr]

The only advantage, if you bottom it out and damage the under tray, it won’t cost as much compared to replacing the carbon 😂

[@BlankofMaterial]

Evolve appeals to people too afraid to buy direct from China. These people are so insulated from learning about what's available from Chinese companies, they think evolve is leading the pack in tech, when they are in fact trailing by 3 years.

[@Saltinator]

Agreed. Evolve is just an Australian idea. They're manufactured and assembled, aka made in china.

[@MaVeRiCk77]

Some people just don't like Chinese boards.

[@maxdagosti94]

@@Saltinator kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk

[@dmr3e]

@@MaVeRiCk77 but it is a Chinese board 😂😂 that’s the whole point

[@MaVeRiCk77]

@@dmr3e Yeah I know, my comment includes Evolve boards too.

[@J0eMega]

Hot damn, the shade thrown lmao

[@9DmgDone]

I like it lol

[@KK-ol5ov]

The Evolve shop in london used to be out in Dartford, now it’s in the newly trendy Stratford Olympic park area I guess people living and visiting there just have much more disposable income, so you buying effectively 2 boards (warranty) for the price! I do like the Haeden board but now that I can build my own I would rather just do that.

[@jamesfarquhar8507]

Come on, Daniel! Whenever you’re ready to take off the kid gloves with hadean I’m here for it.

[@andrewlloyd-seetim1271]

Purely down to the company ethics and what I perceive (perception based on Evolve's own content) to be the arrogance of the employees, I would never buy an Evolve product. It's a shame, as I quite like the Hadean.

[@cloudcity2012]

I'm just a noob TeamGee H20T cloudwheel rider. This Evolve brand just seems too overpriced.

[@HamishScottWilson]

I just want to see Hadean vs. Atlas 2WD. If atlas wins it will make my year ( waiting for my atlas).

[@peteempiales5812]

Aww lucky bastard haha I’m planning to buy the atlas in the future but the flex is my baby until then🤙🏽

[@hoeliris7984]

I want to see that comparaison too, would be interesting. I hope somebody does it.

[@scottdaviesyoutube]

@@hoeliris7984 I will,

[@MaVeRiCk77]

No way the Atlas wins.

[@maxdagosti94]

@@MaVeRiCk77 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk

[@jamiecarter59]

Savage video , finally an honest person telling the truth about the gtr , my own board beats gtr for half the price and nobody is talking about it except you. Thanks

[@DarkBloodyFoxy]

Evolve boards are pricey but they have dealers in many countries and very good and fast support. I bought a GTR Bamboo month ago and it’s totally ok for me. I like it’s very flexy deck. I wonder if Hadean bamboo is as flexy as GTR… But selling GTR for Hadean is no-no since terrain is mostly flat in city I live

[@robbieschweigert2700]

Exactly why I bought one. When I got issues with my Chinese boards it was a nightmare to get help. Now I can send my gtr for repairs if needed

[@DarkBloodyFoxy]

@@robbieschweigert2700 lucky you. There will be no Evolve anymore in Russia :-(

[@electromatic6769]

Say what you want about evolve but there customerservice and shipping is spot on. This is coming from someone that’s owned around 30 different electric skateboards in the last nine years . So I’ve dealt with most brands out there from high-quality to mid quality . Evolves our sharp looking and very good carving machines . I’d say their reliability is around the same as most big electric skateboard manufacturers . the difference that sets them apart is there shipping speed .when something goes wrong,It’s very fast..At least in the US. this is why I’ve continuously bought their boards over the years. Though I will 100% admit their pricing is on the high side and I usually find used boards to buy versus paying full retail . Ps I only payed 1200 used for my Haydean. Atlas Pro 1100 for a 4wd

[@iEkimmu]

I asked Evolve during the premiere of the video about the speed at which the tests were conducted, here is their answer: "Average 22kph on the calm, average 35-45 on the hill one." btw. it's too expensive. I like new bamboo deck shape, but.. I mean, for the cost of one hadean you can buy exway atlas + verreal rs.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk😂

[@forrestmondlane6069]

What’re your thoughts on Exway’s battery scandal? Would you still recommend investing in their company after this and what do you want to think Exway should really do to address the issue?

[@DanielKwan]

BUY BACKFIRE

[@MrBunitj]

I was considering getting a Hadaen until in saw the price. I have been looking for a second board and i live in Queensland Australia. My first is a GTR. At about 130kg I have been rather brutal as my commute involves some decent hills. So i am interested in what i should be looking at instead. I enjoyed your break down and am interested on your thoughts. Also I will be subscribing.

[@lukedudgeon8699]

Also interested in alternatives with a higher maximum weight. From memory, atlas was 100kg. I'm at 120kg and looking for my first board. May go down the diy route.

[@MrBunitj]

@@lukedudgeon8699 So i struggled with that as well before i got my first board, eventually I called Evolve and asked them about it. Bear in mind that is what Evolve told me and I can not speak for other brands. So the GTR has a 100kg weight limit but that is a performance limit. This is basically them avoiding being sued for false advertising. The limit is the the weight where you can reach their top speed and range. The GTR with AT wheels is meant to get (from memory) 37km/h and 30km range. I cruise at about 33km/h and my range best range is about 25km. So i figure most boards can take a lot of weight but the businesses just need to put a limit on to protect them self. Also i did get some warranty work done, I came into the store to get it done and they never asked about my weight for it. Maybe they would if you snapped a truck or the deck.

[@lukedudgeon8699]

@@MrBunitj makes some sense. I was also worried more about deck fatigue, or component limitations.

[@MrBunitj]

@@lukedudgeon8699 well I have the GTR bamboo. I commute to work on it every day. I ride to the gym and shopping. It is not unsual for me to run the battery down, come home recharge and run it down again. I live in an area with quite steep hills. And at 130 - 140kg, depending on backpacks and steal cap boots etc, it still just goes. On the big hills it slows to 27km/h. I have had it for a year. The deck shows no sign of fatiguing. I thrash it. I am basically seeing how quickly i can burn the motors out. The belts seem to be holding out. The AT tires need to get swapped out every 4-6 months as they lose tread. My goal was 2years with this board because thats about how long i calculated the cost to bring me out ahead of the cost of driving my car. I did wear out a bearing in a motor, but that appeared to be because dirt got in somehow. Most likely moisture. Not sure. If you are 120km, my personal experance would suggests that the GTR Bamboo will not struggle with your weight.

[@P.Subaeruginosa]

@@lukedudgeon8699 if you're looking at a high performance (1k+ board) you should just go diy, all of these pre made boards have good parts but there's brands out there making better diy parts

[@wilsonmeredith5517]

Review is spot on too many boards out there with similar specs that are way more affordable. I agree with DK, with $3000 I can build a monster DIY or get a KALY NYC.

[@lpt2606]

lets just say that i am never going to buy 1.

[@stephangerz5767]

fyi they most likely drop the remote 26 times at different angles from 1.2 meters, as this is described in mil810* testing procedures. panasonic toughbooks and other rugged electronics also do this. evolve does not mention compliance with mil810* standard, which is probably a bad sign, as in the remote most likely not beeing rugged enough in other areas (humidity,salt fog,temperature,water,...) to actually market it this way.

[@LORFCASTER]

Details like this really need to be noticed and brought up more often

[@phantyon]

one thing is clear .... evolve should go to college or start listening to their engineers; at least put someone with some mathematical knowledge at PR. It is paretic to listen to them trying to sound smart. Those controls issues are crushing them across the web. let's hope they nail it this time.

[@brandonbennett9128]

I think the only people who will ever own this board will be the employees of evolve.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ66kqaNrM6Hd8k

[@Pelang8]

I was thinking the same as you about the price and I was thinking on getting one but at almost 3k for a carbon it is too much. I live in NYC in East Harlem I’d rather just get a NYC Kaly board I’d get more for my money and also their shop it’s only a 15 minutes ride from house and Ernesto -the owner- he is a cool guy met him once at Randall’s island, he is always testing his boards there

[@SlightlyDazed.]

And now evolve is trying to claim only they can make carbon boards in Australia, I think they have had their day

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmiuln2QhZ6ekMk 😂

[@zerofox641]

2900 is like 4 months rent for me. Hard pass Plenty of more affordable options on the market that are just as good

[@travistravis7190]

Like what?

[@Ian1329]

@@travistravis7190 everything like anything else

[@travistravis7190]

@@Ian1329 to be honest bud, no skateboard should need to go 50kmh. The people that ride these speeds already know its only a matter of time before they are in the hospital ward.

[@robbieschweigert2700]

@@Ian1329 can you send those other boards in for repairs?

[@bread12678]

I need you to look at the BKB Duo!!

[@brucexue]

He can't get it…he is living in China it's the pain in the ass to ship anything to China

[@msulkey]

Dude, you should totally build a version of this board and compare it with this one. Of course cheaper. Perfect video idea. Like you said, you have access to quality parts… Keep up the excellent content!

[@robm425]

I have an Evolve GTX which does everything I need. Board is still fun when I take out on rides. Finally my Zealot S arrived after 2 months (issues with ordering from companies like Exway and Backfire is the shipping times) and while I enjoy the ride of my Zealot S; I liked my Evolve came within the week I ordered it. Hadean is priced too high for me to stay with Evolve I rather put that amount of money to a Kalyboard

[@leovmajestic4024]

Or save up for a lacroix board!

[@robm425]

@@leovmajestic4024 been reading about issues with Lacroix boards from owners. Haven't heard much from Kaly owners

[@Heisen-burgerr]

I’m not an evolve fan but your bias against them makes this so annoying and hard to watch

[@9DmgDone]

? Have you ride one of these? Lmfao wait you could if you drove any hovviewing. You're annoying to me

[@maxdagosti94]

Fans boys will always love Evolve skateboards, no matter what’s wrong with Evolve board. 🤣😉

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk 😂

[@maxdagosti94]

@@acvRider kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmiuln2QhZ6ekMk I am an ex Evolve owners, just injured by the Evolve skateboard. 😉😎

[@eboardextrem358]

But yes Evolve comes to Late with this Board and Specs China Brands have this Specs a Long Time.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk😂

[@antoinepageau8336]

Video suggestion: pick a high end board and price out the individual components as available to you in Shanghai.

[@paulcostache6733]

A bit harsh on Evolve but pretty much spot on. The bamboo Haden is a Wowgo AT2 for 3 times the price.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk😂

[@xavierreigneau41]

Can these ride in the rain though?

[@ankjaers]

This type of board is still spec’ed like a hot hatch. You pay a bit more because of brand value and in the western countries actually able to get service and warrenty.

[@KenTVtw]

i normally dont like to hate on boards but if its gonna be priced at 2800 then it deserves to be compared like this

[@TheTanelChannel]

For me the GTR remote feels the best remote ever made for eskate.. once you get used to it it is so much better then the chinese roll back or fourth remotes. So even if other boards perform a bit better.. a good remote is unbeatable. Also never had any issues with my GTR remote although I do have it in a 3D printed case that makes it a bit bigger and better to hold on to.

[@MrBerett315]

As other people, I don't usually LOL while watching KZbin videos. I literally cracked up laughing at "that looks familiar"

[@alexshi9320]

Makes zero fucking sense. I can get a really good honda cb 750 for that money, Imagine making an electric skateboard that costs more than a lot of decent used motorcycles

[@markbezzy]

2% gradient.. "those hills were relentless" hahahahha

[@TheLordofdrift]

Looks great! I’ll buy one!

[@jarydneethling4696]

I think you have a secret man crush on Matty.

[@contorta960]

Not that waste of hair! 😹

[@acidkhmer]

2800usd!!! Wtf, compare to scooters like the vsett10 or vsett 11 cheaper with 28ah battery!!! Suspensions, hydraulic disk brake, 10inch hub motors, all this techs cheaper than the evolve rapes

[@kevinadvincula6450]

I should have waited this year. I bought my hadean BAMBOO 2n1 [2022] for (2,399) now it is 1,849. I could have bought the CARBON 2n1 this year for [2,149] and still SAVE money. Also. Hadean battery shut off around 30%

[@Dog-Girl-Defect]

"I'm not trying to shit on evolve, ehh maybe a little bit."

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmiuln2QhZ6ekMk 😂

[@Adanacon]

Couldn’t agree more …. My TRX 2.0 has the same battery capacity at 1/2the price! ??

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmiuln2QhZ6ekMk 😂

[@esk8spirit362]

Trampa Orrsom board costs 1250 Gbp without a battery. Evolve is a joke

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk 😂

[@Taxobell77]

*Dear Daniel, Please tell us the best all terrain travel board that is allowed on airplanes. It will help me cook and feed more families in third world countries and transport the food to them faster especially in villages with little to no roads and you have to walk a lot. I was wondering what the cheapest one is. I bought one for $420 like 5 years ago but it broke down and only worked on streets in the US but feeding the poor here isn't one penny per snack or 8 cents for a full meal like in third world countries where you can feed thousands with less than $100. I was hoping you can find the cheapest, hopefully around $500 and also one thats good for the price hopefully under $1,000. 10+ miles of range 18+mph. Most airplanes dont allow more than 160W :(* And i would love to see you make a DiY one. Maybe one that goes 50-100 miles of range at 30-50mmph. A board that is more elevated so it can hold an enormous battery. Maybe you can build an affordable one to sell around $500 that I can buy lol and travel with. im hoping the yecoo gts 6.6Ah is legal on airplane its $620. but i cant fell.

[@djstripnyc]

The evolution for any real E-board rider goes like this, 2018 Boosted V2, 2019 Evolve GTR, 2020 KALY/Lacroix. There's no going backwards only looking backwards at guys 10 blocks behind me struggling to keep up when ever I host a group ride still riding slow ass boards with pathetic range!😂

[@EsEm13]

Almost, I went from a GTX to a Boosted V2 and now a Kaly XL50 (with a few others in between) ... and I have kept the Boosted V2, it is still the nicest board I have ever ridden.

[@jlove24]

What’s the best e board in your opinion under 2k

[@ramtintashakkor7311]

now THAT"S A REVIEW! great video.

[@NatesEscape]

Finally someone that's honest... I can't stand evolve will never buy a board from them after owning a GT with countless problems

[@Steven-qm1xo]

I guess you didn't get an offer to review the new Hadean Diablo 😩

[@ExplorewithZac]

Yeah I travelled to Bali with my GTR... Remote broke over a year ago from a minor accident, haven't ridden it since because they don't ship to Bali.

[@ExplorewithZac]

I will say, I DEFINITELY prefer two triggers... I feel way more confident with two triggers. More range for each trigger means better control.

[@AGuamsk8er]

I get the feeling that they're trying to squeeze everyone on the first couple batches to recoup development costs and then bring the price down. Not an Evolve fan, but I was kind of looking forward to the Bamboo Hadean. I like the look and was thinking it might cost $2k and be more reliable. Oh well, time to wait on price drop or bamboo Atlas.

[@RSMethodology]

Prices won’t come down until the Hadean 2 drops

[@AGuamsk8er]

@@RSMethodology They dropped the GTR prices in the past due to competition, so it can happen. Either they drop prices or simply fail to compete at $2500-$3000. People with that budget who want performance will opt for a low end Lacroix or a Flux Motion over a Hadean easily. For perspective, a $3000 Flux Motion has 80 miles of range over Hadean's 25 mile range for the same cost, which is shameful. People in the $1500-$2000 range will simply get an Atlas 2wd/Onsra BC2/Eovan etc. Close or better specs for nearly half the cost. Even my Eovan ($1600 board at the time) has an 852Wh battery that exceeds the Hadean significantly, and it has a VESC which is superior for customization.

[@PAIN166]

I'm surprised that you even had some positive comments on it, despite your hate on Evolve 🤣 I would love to see it in comparison to your other boards, maybe someone can lend it to you in the future for doing tests.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk

[@Mobakar]

Can the brakes fail if im going down hill and brake all the way down

[@ALTRON3]

I don’t get it either 😟

[@esk8journey664]

Where did you get the information on the motors? I've been in contact with a few places and it have been informed this isn't the case. looking at the video, they have the whole length of the battery really compact. I guess if you were to have that battery case inside an enclosed deck it would have made it a fair bit bigger. it's also the same length as the GTR by the looks, which is cool

[@DanielKwan]

From e-skate manufacturers in China.

[@solomonjenkins9505]

the GTR's acceleration is really good imo it's just the price and build quality that piss me off

[@twelvewingproductions7508]

It was their remote that pissed me off. How is it possible that they made one of the world's best out of the box boards and then coupled it with the industry's worst remote? Unreal.

[@solomonjenkins9505]

@@twelvewingproductions7508 in many ways it is an awesome and innovative remote, they just have a few issues that need fixing. Unfortunately, these issues can be quite dangerous...not sure why they went all blingy and flashy before getting the basics down. And the build quality of both board and remote leave a lot to be desired. The hardware is soft as fuck. The charge port flap is annoying, how hard would it be to have a screw on one? The motors are shite. The esc is shite. A plastic heatsink? Really?

[@twelvewingproductions7508]

@@solomonjenkins9505 Plastic heat sink? On the new one you mean? Mine is aluminum on the early example of the Carbon GT I have. I haven't encountered build quality issues as of yet, but I've seen others where the board de-laminates. The rubber flap cover for the charge port was silly as you pointed out. There are also additional niggles but my main gripe has been with the remote. Even their reworked remote was terrible. Going with a smaller battery? Seriously? And a rounded screen so that now no matter how you hold it you have glare? Just silly choices. And then yes, as you pointed out... the way it did its handshake with the ESC was dangerous. I am actually still using the first generation remote with that board for those very reasons. The "upgraded" remote is actually too dangerous to even use as a back up. I still carry it.. but should I ever have to use it as a back up... I'd not use it to go any faster than 8 miles an hour to get me back to my car or home. I do see that they seem to have fixed the remote on their new board. Perhaps I'll get one of those and do a full on comparison review between the two boards. The focus for my channel and my reviews is on electric mobility... not so much e-skate specifically.

[@akalia_07]

Who came back to this video just to laugh at Evolve? 😂

[@atarkovbot123]

Love how im sat here trying to figure out how to repair my esc (evolve) but instead watching this vid 😂😂😂

[@race512]

Hello Daniel. Thanks for the review, now I want to buy a board with street wheels that do all that this board does for less price. Does it exist? Cause I haven’t found any. Seems like most of the high end brand only worry about the off road tires. Looking forward to the feedback

[@stephen0406]

I got a Backfire G3 with Cloudwheels. Works well and extremely fun.

[@camomaster6316]

If all those motors come from the same factory would that happen to be the flipsky factory? Always wondered

[@DanielKwan]

Dongxingwei

[@camomaster6316]

@@DanielKwan does this company make the flipsky motors too?

[@NerfBytes]

I feel like their commercial was targeted at people that have zero idea what any of those terms mean

[@thetunows]

Did anyone find out the cells used for the Hadean

[@ajplant96]

40T in the demo units, probably Lishen cells in the production units, all the hadeans I’ve tried out in the wild sag bad after like 70% to where you might as well have bought a gtr bc it’s hardly anymore powerful than that

[@lukedudgeon8699]

They will sell. There are people who are only hobbyist(not enthusiasts) who don't want to build a board. Want more local support and warranty. Just want to show it off. Or other reasons. Se reason people buy a Ferrari. Can build a quicker car cheaper, but people just want to walk in and walk out locally with the product.

[@MaVeRiCk77]

Yeah, nah. That's not the reason someone buys a Ferrari.

[@coreythewolf1]

I'm really excited to buy the flipsky knock off of this remote in 3 months hahhaha. Totally build your own board at that price

[@AKA_TY37]

a huge disappointment, 2021 dxw6368 with 12s4p 40T(mostlikely). And for 2800? Evolve did evolving backwards for sure lmfao. Let's hope Fred won't come after me on YT this time lol.

[@DanielKwan]

That moron is banned from this channel and will be banned again when he creates yet another account.

[@mrreddington777]

Who is Fred? Lol

[@DanielKwan]

@@mrreddington777 nowadays he is known as ESK8UNITY. When enough people ban him again he’ll make a new account again.

[@AKA_TY37]

@@DanielKwan oh he spam my IG with his private acc after I banned his esk8 acc lol

[@ericmnr]

I own another brand, but I have drive a GTR and I really like the remote. The Evolve remote feel a better technology than the average remote that don't have any information.

[@lukecheng3819]

can you make a video about rules for estate in different city and if it is not allowed, how you deal with it?

[@urbanmenace]

I've seen heaps of people have issues with other remotes, quite predominantly recently the Puck remote, including needing calibration.. any info on when Atlas will be shipped? they seem to be playing the same old Exway game of delay after delay. I heard on the vine there were issues with them trying to change to 21700 from the 18650 set up. I've been looking to order but holding off til i confirm this and see boards actually going out.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk😂

[@urbanmenace]

@@maxdagosti94 I don't understand what you're trying to promote? I'm not talking about evolve, I don't care. But I will say the video makes you look like an uneducated troll. Posting random images of issues with old product and relating to brand new equipment. Could do exactly the same with absolutely any brand. It's not informative, it's not relevant. But okay. I also don't get why you used it as a reply. You seem to have a big bee in your bonnet against evolve. I'm not even talking about evolve so I don't know why you posted it to me. I don't care.

[@ElGuapoDeSantoPoco]

@@urbanmenace Max is posting this nonsense on every e-skate channel .... He apparently beyond any reason, thinks it's funny...

[@lunchtime2960]

Me neither bro. It is way too much for minor improvements. I appreciate your opinion Dan. Boards aren't bad by virtue of being "Chinese" and boards aren't good by virtue if being "Not Chinese". I'm sure this board will be a fine product. It's just not worth as much as a used car IMO.

[@sharky1854]

yeah at least Chinese boards are not overpriced like evolve, i have an exway wave and its very good way better than the evolve stoke

[@lunchtime2960]

I have been on a wowgo 2 s for more than 3 years and it absolutely dumpsters hills and goes really fast. Never fails on me. Probably could ride it for another 3 but thinking of selling it and going over seas for a trip. If I do buy a new board I'm looking at Onsra. I really like Fabian and his board looks like it's great quality. He has "local" repair guys in the USA. But wowgo at looks killer for the price also. My brother has a wowgo3 and it is also a great board.

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk

[@wadafup]

Evolves boards look way better appearance wise than any other board but the prices are crazy

[@maxdagosti94]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHPFmmuLqKiGgNk

[@wadafup]

@@maxdagosti94 what can I say, premium power comes with a price 😩😂