Might be an unpopular take, but I'm pretty sure that if Curze had actually killed guillimom that no amount of foresight or warp shenanigans would've saved him from Guilliman. The Lion has said that he wondered if Guilliman's mediocre individual combat prowess was only because he was never able to focus on just one thing. Now imagine someone kills his mom. Quantum supercomputer demigod brain that is used to focusing down entire campaigns is now suddenly, wrathfully, focused on just one thing: kill that psychotic freak that masquerades as a batman, even though he's nothing more than a sanctimonious sadist.
@OverLordRiper5 ай бұрын
People call Guilliman a mediocre fighter, but look at his actual combat record -Despite Lorgar being amped by Chaos and having considerable psychic abilities, Guilliman was beating seven shades of shit out of him even after Lorgar cracked his skull with his mace (one of the most insane Primarch durability feats, that blow would have felled a small Titan) -Immediately after has to fight berserk Angron, and despite losing, Angron is described as looking little better that Guilliman, with wounds all over his body. This is right after getting his skull cracked by Lorgar. -Magnus and Mortarion had to use their chaos juice to overpower him, in Mortarion's case he was actually winning in the weapon skill portion of the duel before ol' Morty just started flying and spamming warp blasts. -beat many greater daemons including Scarbrand -the Custodes were stunned by how strong and fast he is, even Tribune Colquan who is strong enough to 1 v 1 greater daemons was left speechless His only real bad loss is Fulgrim, but that's a fight VERY few would fare in differently. Yes, he is not a renowned duelist like The Lion or Fulgrim, but he is still a primarch, and still one that likes to take part in personal combat (unlike, say, Perturabo). Also, Bobby never lost a war in his life. Which is far more important for a supreme commander.
@Scylla_real4 ай бұрын
Long story short guilliman would beat the breaks off of curze
@dr_yeet93992 ай бұрын
@@OverLordRiper People also tend to forget Guilliman's history with letting himself get a tad too angry, he has consistently shown that he has a subtle but very noticeable cus it reoccurs often enough trait in spiteful rage. You wouldn't think it based on the memes and his absolute chad-worthy feats like tanking Anathema which fucked up Horus, or murdering marines in space without his helmet. Plus the Ultramarines used to be the War-Born, and those guys ALSO had a 'small' issue with getting exceptionally and almost irrationally pissed off while fighting. A quirk that no doubt kinda brushed off on G-man while he trained them into the current setting Ultramarines. He's a ticking time bomb of rage waiting to blow and I honestly think he's gonna completely hate stomp whatever demon Primarch tries to get in his way next just to prove a point he isn't sub-par at duelling them since in his mind its him alone currently against ALL his fucked up brothers at once.
@Th3KingismАй бұрын
Guilliman would've killed Curze and likely every single Night Lord. Root and stem.
@brotheralaric717711 күн бұрын
simple, roboute would have gone in such fury, even khorne would have gain a super erection, just imagine the scene of the movie man of steel when zod threaten martha . . roboute have seen his adoptive father die and could do nothing, to me roboute have the mentality of a normal human, he unintentionaly restrain himself . If Tarasha had been killed, Khonrad would had been reduced to just warp dust .
@harmonicajay916 ай бұрын
People go Lotara Sarrin this and Lotara Sarrin that, but to me, an old woman who stood up to one of the most horrible murderers in the galaxy is more of a badass than Sarrin.
@anzaca16 ай бұрын
Lotara would shit herself in Tarasha's situation.
@WendingWyrd6 ай бұрын
@@anzaca1 Respectfully, I think Tarasha is Lotara's equal, if not her better. But if Lotara reached that age, she'd just sneer and say, "Get the hell off my bridge."
@esmith88186 ай бұрын
Sarrin knows what she can get away with, and how to stand up to and impress, World Eaters and Angron. Game recognize game, and also she's always in her seat of power where she is the most valuable person in the room. She tries it with Curze or another primarch, or other Astartes, she gets ignored, pushed away, or gutted depending on the faction Euten, she's just a normal person. But I think she has no fear of primarchs. She's scared of Curze because he's a huge muderhobo, but there's no awe in her due to WHAT he is, only what he can do Both of them are normal people standing up to demi gods, but Euten is far more flat out courage, while Sarrin is brave because she knows she can get away with it Sarrin is impressing gods, Euten is standing up to monsters
@dkbros15926 ай бұрын
@@anzaca1 Na they will just fight Lothar will be disappointed in her
@inwit5946 ай бұрын
@@esmith8818 Sarrin was intelligent because she knew how to play up to the World Eaters. Euten was principled, and thusly didn't let people intimidate her easily, even though she would undoubtedly still be scared. But courage is not the absence of fear: It's the ability to act because of it.
@codysing12236 ай бұрын
The Wolves knew where Curze would be, being Hunters themselves. It's admirable how they certainly knew they would all die, but fought the monster Konrad anyway to protect a human, truely living up to the Emperor's proclamation... "They are the Defenders of Humanity, they are my Space-marines, and they shall know no fear"
@minhducnguyen92765 ай бұрын
I also think Gulliman's talent in diplomacy especially when dealing with tribal cultures was a factor. When the Wolves arrived and declared they were there to supervise Gulliman and execute him if he showed signs of treason the Ultramarines were furious as some space marines had the audacity to doubt their primarch's loyalty and implied that they can take down a primarch. But Gulliman brushed it off, saying that even if they wanted they couldn't take him on. And to show his loyalty and cooperation he let them stay in his hearth near his mother. It is a matter of honor to the wolves that they must repay such hospitality from the host, he literally trusted them with the life of his mother.
@WendingWyrd6 ай бұрын
One of my favorite parts from this book. The other: "You do not come to my world and do this," said Guilliman, stalking Curze. "You do not enter my house and do this." I could hear the spectacular outrage, the barely chained wrath. This was Calth-level fury.
@willowravenwright55182 ай бұрын
Can @DOVO please do this passage?
@LordCommander-ui2fw6 ай бұрын
9:22-This is easily one of, if not the greatest moments of Tarasha Euten. She is an old woman, worn down by centuries and barely kept alive by Rejuvenant treatments, possessed of no weapons or martial talent. She stands before a Demigod, the most frightening and cruel of his kind, known and feared throughout the galaxy for his depravity and savagery. Her domains are politics and statecraft, of managing the households of lords and kings, of tending to the gardens that are their realms. His are the domains of shadow and blood, of murder and torture on a scale unimaginable, of sowing pain and fear into the hearts of all he encounters. And yet, she does not lose her cool. She does not fall to pieces. She stands tall, with the strength only a mother can muster, even after hearing of her son's supposed death, and tells this fiend, this monster, this _nightmare made flesh,_ to go back to the pit where he belongs. If death has truly come for her, then Tarasha Euten will meet it with the dignity and grace that befits a Lady of Macragge, the Champerlain Principal of Ultramar and the mother of Roboute Guilliman. And you had to end it on _that_ cliffhanger, didn't you? Even though I know what comes next, it still made my heart skip a beat. Cannot wait for the next part, when we see the Winged Skull give way to the Dragon's Head.
@bobbyrabii61196 ай бұрын
The wolves coming in followed by Vulkan is my my top 2 or 3 moment of the heresy novels. It’s just pure epicness
@monkeyskitz6 ай бұрын
Out of all the heresy novels, the unremembered empire is probably my favourite, and its filled with bits like this. The bit where dantioch hauls pollux through the pharos and tells kurze hes such an asshole that reality itself intervened is also a top pic 😂😂
@griffionwyvrus90636 ай бұрын
Big W for the Space Wolves on this one, especially because this is the 30K Space Wolves, they obviously know they don't have a chance but still fought like true warrior.
@etinarcadiaego74246 ай бұрын
I love the idea of Konrad just flying at people out of nowhere like a small town meth addict lol
@bobbyrabii61196 ай бұрын
And a book or two later the Lion would go Bane on Konrad ass and basically “your tricks are old and lame and I’m your big brother” then shatter his spine
@canderoussnurd42656 ай бұрын
The Lion has always been the greatest.
@Its_Cannon6 ай бұрын
Lion: I heard you've been messing with one of our only Aunties. You're done.
@JoaoPedro-sm6oi5 ай бұрын
@@Its_Cannon the lion did try to nuke her It was to kill Curze but still
@chasemcnab76102 ай бұрын
Oh lord, when you realize it’s a space wolf you wanna feel relief, but then you hear “he’s here…stay down.” In that low, cautionary growl, like the wolves just discovered a bear in their den. Add the atmosphere change with the subtle anxious horror music and you’re just dreading when Kurze will jump out. Brilliant.
@dillene6 ай бұрын
"Get a haircut, you Beatnik! I can't *believe* they made you a Primarch."
@codysing12236 ай бұрын
Curze was jealous of the family Roboute had, this was a cruel attempt to get back at the Lord of Ultramar.
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen6 ай бұрын
Excellent. She is another of Abnett's successful attempts to inject more humanity and "normality" into the setting.
@TheBriarWolf28 күн бұрын
If you want to hurt a man, you threaten what he loves. You hit him at his home, at his hearth. “We do not leave the Hearth” The pack never leaves the hearth unprotected. Never, thank God for the Space Wolves, and hopefully Papa Smurf learned a valuable lesson from these “barbarians”. God this was such a good book. Thank you for this! 🫡
@tommasocreatini25136 ай бұрын
Dude was laughing the entire time while taking axes to the chest.... Lord of Terror indeed.... even Leman was unsure if he could beat him for 'He has the power of the insane'
@mranderson7186 ай бұрын
Sanguinius is the only one that for sure could beat him. I think Angron and Leman probably would but would be close.
@Keram-io8hv6 ай бұрын
@@mranderson718My money on Lion too
@andrewbyrne21736 ай бұрын
@@Keram-io8hv in his prime yes, now he’s a bit slower due to old age, not so sure.
@inwit5946 ай бұрын
@@Keram-io8hv He and the Lion did fight during this. Kurze got the upper hand, but they were trading blows.
@OverLordRiper6 ай бұрын
@@mranderson718 Lion broke his spine after beating him.
@canderoussnurd42655 ай бұрын
Anyone else think Michael Fassbender would make an excellent Konrad Kurze? Seriously watch him when he smiles and watch him whenever he plays a villain. He would be the perfect casting for Kurze.
@11thLegion-5 ай бұрын
Kid: I want Primaris Marines! Guillimom: We already have Space Marines at home
@codysing12236 ай бұрын
Vulkan coming through and tackling Curze out a window saving her life, proceeded by a mentally Insane Vulkan hunting and regenerating from each death faster and faster as he runs down Konrad.
@unclesam52306 ай бұрын
This truly encapsulates the true horror of facing a Primarch as a normal mortal Human
@brotherhoodz976 ай бұрын
Remember, when push came to shove, the barbarian marauders who were sent to see if guillicringe was traitor died to save his mother without hesitation.
@TheColosiss5 ай бұрын
Somewhere, the Great Wolf is very proud of his loyal and defiant pups...
@drgonzo3056 ай бұрын
And this is the moment Curze, seeing the strength and love and womanly power in her turns his act around and comes back into the Emperor’s light
@MisterSmith006 ай бұрын
Konrad Curze is perhaps one of the singularly most disturbing individuals I've stumbled across in fiction. ...and it was very entertaining hearing your interpretation of him.
@blackrose_2216 ай бұрын
Bro said gullimom then goes into the most serious deadpan gory shit ever
@heirwolf69296 ай бұрын
Totally off topic but I still think Fafnir Rann needs to give back his name to the Space Wolves 😄 Superb voice acting as always DQVO!
@mranderson7186 ай бұрын
I’ve been wanting you to cover this scene for so long, so glad you finally got to it.
@souplesssoup29036 ай бұрын
this stuff is what I listen to at work every Saturday, thank you for making it
@freddiebates57956 ай бұрын
This part was one of my favourites of the whole HH, so glad you’ve helped relive it!
@notme98165 ай бұрын
Great stuff! Liked and subscribed.
@danielquintonvo5 ай бұрын
My thanks!
@kaon84606 ай бұрын
GUILLIMOM
@jonathonappleby8236 ай бұрын
Your Fenrisian is fantastic
@dillene6 ай бұрын
Well, DQ lived on Fenris for a while and got to know the accent.
@Malvok4 ай бұрын
Great reading, I think your voice is fantastic for Curze.
@WestSideGorilla19802 ай бұрын
What kurz did to that scraper ship captain for 2 year after found in stasis. The assasin tried to kill him, dint work. 2 years to get to seglusa, cut the mans arm off. Built an augmented one. Every week kurz removed another half inch so his stump never healed. After reunion with his legion, he let the captain be flayed by his sons and cared not. The assasin said don't let yourself get captured by night haunter...shoulda listened.
@mach10mitch46 ай бұрын
LOVE IT
@shadow20006 ай бұрын
The Chad Wolves
@shyneus97736 ай бұрын
YEEEES. YEEEEAAAAAH! MOOOOOORE! YEAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
@menes72526 ай бұрын
Awesome vid loved it
@captianmarmoo47066 ай бұрын
I love DQVO, he's a nice guy, BUT THE CLIFFHANGERS HURT MY VERY SOUL
@t-yindigo893 ай бұрын
As a Night lord fan this is the only time I pleaded that Curze would be stop.
@gasmonkey10003 ай бұрын
Space Yiff Jarl: "Protect grandma!" Guillimom: "I'm not even your au-" Space Yiffs: "For grandma!" The schizo hobo of the primarchs: "Whats a grandma?"
@KingLich4513 ай бұрын
😂
@anxiousearth6802 ай бұрын
"Space Wolves! We hold this ground in the name of the Grandma!"
@austinjohnson66426 ай бұрын
I need part 2
@chasemcnab76102 ай бұрын
Hol-up. That bit about space wolves hunting down another primarch…is that a reference to the lost Primarchs of the II and XI legions?
@badassgibus27 күн бұрын
Brother why didnt you just pick her up and run?
@andrewbyrne21736 ай бұрын
Hello algorithm. You have hidden my friend’s videos from me. Yet I have pierced the warp, to make planet fall. The Khornate Berzerkers you sent, were no match for my fury, the dying whine of their chain weapons, a last temporary monument. The plague marines killed many of our brothers, diseases bringing wrack and ruin. Flame and fury were our allies, and we prevailed, at a terrible cost. I will not speak of the horrors and depravity of the Slanneshi followers, except to lament the loss and sacrifice of my brothers to get me further to our objective. As the sole survivor, it is my duty to finish it. The sorcerers of Tzeentch were too powerful for me, and I became their prisoner. Yet their paranoia and their false God’s reputation for betrayal, armed me with the weapons I needed. Words filled with subtle poison, turned ally against ally. Foul sorcery flashed like multiple strikes of lightning until there was one weakened sorcerer left. He never noticed I had freed myself until my plasma pistol vaporised him, a pool of goo his last remains. At last I had won my prize, my friend’s video, watched and hit the sacred like button. Now I prepare the hunt for the next video. Why? To quote the Lion, “Loyalty is it’s own reward “. Hello Daniel! Hope you enjoyed my little turning of the tables to entertain you for a change!
@robertopompa_6 ай бұрын
Kurze is the Underrated GOAT!!!!!!
@canderoussnurd42656 ай бұрын
Kurze is a beast of low cunning and no honor. He deserves no respect and his spawn deserve their place beneath our boots. (He’s a fascinating character and I liken his fall to that of the most common tail of Dracula/Vlad the Impaler. A poor soul who had no chance to truly develope a conscience beyond that of a feral beast that twisted justice into a parody of itself. And yet deep down he wasn’t truly a bad man. Merely a twisted and broken man who never had that guarding hand of a father. He’s a truly tragic character and I loved reading his stories.).
@robertopompa_6 ай бұрын
@@canderoussnurd4265 brother is sounds as if you "FALLEN" for the propaganda, Kurze is top Goat. He took on Two primarchs at the same time and left them second guessing
@canderoussnurd42656 ай бұрын
@@robertopompa_ ah ha I see what you did there. The fallen have received the Lions forgiveness……..for now.
@canderoussnurd42656 ай бұрын
@@robertopompa_ but seriously I enjoyed his story a lot. In some level I can relate to him and characters like him. As a functioning depressive I know the feeling of feeling alone and definitely know the feeling of being the outsider of the family. So him turning on his brothers definitely makes sense and made me sympathetic towards him. (Ironically I also relate to the lion too for the similar reasons as Kurze. Being the necessary evil and the responsible one while receiving none of the praise for doing your job well is definitely a big brother thing as well. The Lion was just lucky to have been found by Luther and the Kinghts order of Caliban so that he could be raised correctly instead of winging it like Kurze had to.). I fully believe that if Kurze had been found by a loving family and raised with love and a sense of honor, he could’ve been this settings Batman. (Flashpoint Paradox Batman). The guy got a raw deal and was screwed for word go. And yes I’ll grant you he was one tough SOB. He landed blows on the Lion far more dangerous than even Lemun Russ did and that’s saying something. Kurze was a bad mother fucker. It just comes down to the Lion being the best as he was meant to be the fall back to end all of his brothers if need be as he was the Jack of all trades.
@robertopompa_6 ай бұрын
@@canderoussnurd4265 Unremembered Empire is always a good read. in the story kurze gets teased by an Iron warrior and a Imperial Fist then Fighting his bros in a room rigged with explosives ( when did he have the time?) Guiliman assassination attempt! Vulkan falling out of the sky, Konrad ruining The lions and Guilimans dinners, The Lions Lying lmao, whole thing was spectacular. hell Tarasha rounding up all of the Astartes against Kurze just to piss him off put a smile on my face. Then Vulkan as the Mad Chad he is Storming out of his cell Then making it in time to save Guili-mom was top tier! I agree a Truely Loyal Konrad wouldve been Unmatched in the setting vs the depressing state theyre in right now :( if he had gotten the same upbringing as Guiliman or Dorn and hell ill even throw in Jaghatai Khans origin to help the Dudes mind properly adjust but anything wouldve been better then sending the poor guys to nostramo. A man can dream of a Loyalist Kurze cant he? Either way i blame Fulgrim for Snitching!!!!!!!
@mikemoore27913 ай бұрын
I get it its fiction but... Tactics. Whilst three astartes attack why dont two others shoot him in the head. Lets see him block two bolt shells from two different angles whilst deflecting axes and swords...