Voge DS900X Ride Review | Cheap, Chinese and ... good?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

If you're new to this vid I've since taken on the Voge as a long-term test bike, with the first update now live here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH2WqIeebqtpoJo More where this came from over the coming months so stay tuned, subscribe/hit bell for further updates - cheers! Dan

[@wesmccrum3575]

I sell these and have now 300 miles on my demo and i like it a lot .Not the best bike ibhave ever ridden but certainly competitive not only on price but build quality ,handling and performance.

[@hectorshouse7348]

I think these make sense if you want all the kit on it…certainly paying double for a similar BMW is crazy

[@kevindarkstar]

Well it is when you consider that voge parent company Loncin make the same engine for the BMW GS 900 😉

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

Hi everyone! Been a bit of discussion about service intervals in the comments thread here so sharing some info I’ve been given by Voge UK, confirming that after the initial 600-mile service it’s annually or every 6,200 miles. So, a lot better than initially thought. Thanks! /Dan

[@simonwalden131]

It always makes me chuckle when £9000 is classed as cheap. I realise it’s all context related but cheap to me is my 10 year old tiger 800 that probably does 90% of what this bike does for 35% of the cost. I’d still like one though!

[@nikosf3n]

Exactly, 8400€ was the price of my Honda XL700 transalp, full equipped with c-abs, brand new. The new one is a naked tall overpriced bike with no adjustable suspension, no skid plate, no handguards, and still TUBES FFS! The same goes to all bikes, more money for less necessary equipment such as skid plate, handguards, center stand, adjustable suspension , but with more bullshit like engine maps, connectivity, or any other gimmicks nobody needs. So a Chinese bike for 8-10 thousand is not cheap. It's just the correct price for this category. As for the build quality, i always had Japanese bikes, and every time there were problems, minor or not.

[@daddystu7046]

Agree completely. Trying not to get caught up in the marketing hype every time I come around to changing bikes.

[@jackworsley2562]

Last time I got a 1000 Sports bike it was like 7-8 k Time flies….. or someone’s taking the pi”” on prices 🤣 these days

[@anxiousappliance]

Yes - it is more expensive than a 10 year old bike. Now factor in inflation ...

[@451greenwood]

I was just going to add the exact same point 😢​@@anxiousappliance

[@jonlloyd830]

Great review, very interested in this bike and no issues for me regarding brand snobbery, you can’t deny the component value and if the sum of their parts just adds up let alone exceeds then it has to be a good deal.

[@FATBOY692011]

I'm very interested in this bike or the 525. Just need to do some research re insurance etc. I'm not bothored about deprecation as I would be planning to keep it for a long time. Even my non biking wife likes it and reckons the 900 is the better bet. God I love that woman 😁

[@patkennedy1]

I've heard it referred to as the "DS900X", if that matters, in the vein of CB900F, GS1000G etc from the '80s. But the points you make are correct: BMW may regret sharing their technology, and yes - it requires a 'leap of faith' to buy Chinese at this point. But the value for money is definitely there, with suppliers like Brembo and KYB, so time will tell how good they are over the longer run. Whether Brembo et al make these components in China may be another aspect. Certainly my Pirelli tyres now hail from China and Indonesia, although they still sport Italian prices... But I made a similar 'leap' buying the recent Transalp just over a year ago, a new model with no history in its current form at the time, whereas the BMW parallel twin itself has been around for a long time. Now almost 20,000 kms in on the Transalp I have no regrets, and of course the Honda represented good value for money when compared to its Japanese and European competition, even though it comes with a lot less equipment than the Voge. But the extra weight and complexity may count against the Voge in the longer run, as may any of these bikes with more tech than is really necessary, Transalp included. A spiralling list of tech offerings in this marketplace makes bikes intended for riding well away from civilisation perhaps overly complex, but again - time will have to pass before we can judge this accurately, just as for the dealership network, parts supply and their back-up on any issues, second hand values, etc. Thanks for your open-minded review of this new model, and its place in future motorcycling. If VW closing factories is any guide, it would appear the cheaper Chinese alternatives may really be changing the automotive landscape, as inflation-affected buyers seek better value for their money, and it would appear the same is now happening for motorcycles, as more are now prepared to buy Chinese.

[@kevinroberts2395]

If Honda offered the Transalp with cruise control, tubeless cast wheels and a few little extras here in Australia, I would buy one in a heartbeat. I'm in my mid 60's and want a comfortable upright riding position with a decent touring screen and comfort seat as standard. I'm not into 'off roading', but just want a sub 1000cc light weight daily ride.

[@Mr_wayne0805]

I really like the look of it. It gets my thumbs up. I wouldn't hesitate to give it a go. I can see it poking a hole in the adventure market.

[@colinharrison5501]

voge dsx525 and the 900 dsx are one the best seller in the e u with a waiting list to get one, as for switch gear ,i find as good if not better then some top brands of bike,

[@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles]

Bestseller in the EU? What part of the EU? Maybe they are available in a few EU country’s but not all models in every EU country. “Bestseller” isn’t really a thing tbh.. at least for now..

[@451greenwood]

​@@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycleshe's saying the EU.... What he means is Spain, and yes it's the fastest selling bike apparently in Spain, however dealership problems getting parts is not good, so then the question comes if Spain cannot get parts and they have a lot more dealerships than the UK by at least a factor of 10x then How's this going to work in the UK? I like this bike more than the CFMoto 800 but the biggest elephant in the room is as great as this bike is, all it would take to destroy this bike from existence is BMW to say, stop putting our engines in this bike or we will not buy them from you..... Suddenly this bike and all it's parts will just stop, and as for EU regulations on parts for the next 10years? When did China ever do anything the EU says

[@mars0030]

For that type of bike I think it's a really nice bike to look at, particularly in that colour. Taking the spec and component quality, I would certainly get a test ride if I was in the market for that cc range. Another 10-15 hp would really put it up against the big names. But hp isn't everything to everyone of course. I think it'll do well.

[@VStrom2019]

Such a pity there are no dealers within hundreds of miles of me in Aberdeen. Love everything I see and read about this bike and don’t give a toss about it being Chinese. I’m old enough to remember the same about the Japanese bikes early 70’s, now I ride nothing but Japanese.

[@stuste964]

In Elgin 😉

[@VStrom2019]

@@stuste964 guy hadn’t a clue about them when I phoned, zero product training obviously.

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

Having watched the Asian bike manufacturers improve year on year I’m considering my last new bike will one of the many to choose from now. Remember the uproar in the 70s when Japan had the temerity to produce good new bikes - look how that turned out! Think they may suffer the same fate at the hands of their old enemy and neighbours. I’d go so far as to as to say, as with cars, there are few genuinely bad motorcycles anymore just many more different ones to chose from now… Was seriously considering the new BMW F900gs - I’d be mad to now when a similar specced one would be damn near TWICE the price. I’m going to the Voge dealer tomorrow to have a look.

[@paulgates2527]

Belmont + bike = heaven 😊

[@adrianwalker7189]

To me this seems very, very good value for money to get all that kit for less than 10k, well that's got to be good, so it has voge on the tank to me it's the bike that counts.

[@AmbrosiasRideOuts]

Bearing in mind that all the major components are NOT Chinese then it may very well be an ok bike. I agree with you, brand loyalty will form part of most buyers buying decision and budget conscious new comers may very well opt for such a bike like this. Thanks for video, it was interesting to see this bike 👍

[@anxiousappliance]

Same engine and components as a BMW - BMW is making some nice bank.

[@Pollard77]

I've booked a test ride this weekend. 9/11/24. Bikes are now available in the uk. The price and spec have me very interested..

[@MrB1967]

I think it's a really interesting bike and worth a look. I do think they are maybe selling these at a loss to build the brand - which means the price may well go up in years to come. Then there's depreciation, a bugbare with any bike. That can be got round by keeping the bike for years rather than months, but does it have longevity? I have bikes with 10 years/40k miles on, worthless on the market but it doesn't matter to me because they are still great to ride, still doing their job.. of course most people don't keep bikes for years so longevity isn't an issue. But then depreciation is.. hmm.. if they ARE selling at a loss (for now) that will help with depreciation. What they really need to do is offer cheap insurance with it too, I think that's a major reason new riders are few and far between. Seems like there is a lack of new riders getting into motorcycling which is something the industry should surely be very concerned about.

[@geraldwood5636]

Ordering one, test ride two of them , awesome and thats coming from a GSA 1250

[@rocket3ful]

Anything coming from a GSA would be awesome!

[@davidparsonage1930]

Voge builds complete engines for BMW & partnered with MV Agusta from 2019 to build its 300cc & 500cc models. It's probably safe to say the electronics will be better than most brands, particularly from Europe. Most auto companies outsourced its manufacturing to China over the last 20 years, enabling Voge to build better bikes.

[@grantleyteakle634]

Need this brand in Australia. We need more variety

[@kevindarkstar]

15:20 I think you need to remember who the parent company Loncin is, their experience in engine and motorcycle manufacturing and their size 😉

[@mac22011964]

Plus also the automation and production cost at some 30-40% lower than Europe.

[@luckyphil6486]

I’ll admit I’ve been into my big branded bikes in the past and always sports tourers but I’m quite impressed by this bike. Just hope it comes with different coloured wheels lol

[@sverremoe4087]

great review, i think this bike will offer problems for other manufacturers when people get to know the bike a bit more, and if it is as good as it seems it will sell well

[@Jungleland33]

Truly incredible value for money.....once it works. Hopefully it will make make other manufacturers wake up and listen to what their customers are shouting for.

[@stephenhiggins5912]

As this bike been available in Spain for a few years?

[@kevinroberts2395]

Can't wait until Voge is available in Australia. I currently own a 10 year old BMW, and I would look at trading it in on a new Voge with little or very little outlay. This, or a current model CFMoto 800, which is currently available in Australia. My BMW indicator switch, also feels very 'cheap', as in, no feel. And don't mention the BMW R gearbox. It's probably the worst gearbox I have ever had the misfortune of owning in 50 years of owning motorcycles. The chassis however, is probably the best I've ever owned.

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@kevinroberts2395 Watch this space - riding the CF Moto tomorrow for a comparison vid going live soon! /Dan

[@nicholasjarrold8649]

Morning before I’d take a punt it would need to be couple years just to be proven before I’d look at one see what problems if any they might have but just looking at the bike first impressions I think it looks really nice five stars 🌟 for style anyway take care mate good video by the way take care

[@StygianX]

To be honest i was considering the 300ds, but the main problem is that there are virtually no aftermarket support for these bikes. I tried all named aftermarket manufacturers and noone makes aftermarket shocks and suspension for it, even though that model is out for a few years now. Exhaust only made by ixil. So besides the point that resale value is abysmal, you are very limited if you need to upgrade any parts of the bike. For now that holds me back the most.

[@MV-XD2]

I’d flip this around and say it’s BMW royally taking the mick charging Berlin money for Guangdong products. This bike seems to have an identical engine, exhaust system, wheels, brakes and probably many other parts. Just imagine the profit they’re making on each bike!

[@nabilalili314]

you found me thinking about the same think

[@guystevens162]

Yes think will to have a test ride. Have been looking at Transalp and KTM 790 Adventure. But it's what u get with this bike. For me name is a name but be interesting to look and have a go. 😊

[@anxiousappliance]

The 790 seems fairly priced even in comparison with this bike. They seem to be passing on the reduced labor costs. Good on them.

[@leovaldivia4185]

Any idea if it will be coming to the states?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@leovaldivia4185 I’m not sure but will ask and report back!

[@451greenwood]

So at £2000 less is CFMoto 800MT tourer with same tech but has KTM engine and has 4year warranty and not a two year like this on your reviewing, so question then is which do you buy, considering CFMoto has better dealership, services, which would you buy?

[@timothyangus954]

I wouldn’t worry about dealer cover. A few BMW dealerships have closed recently. Most Voge dealers are small and well funded, not downing in stocking debt.

[@tomtomvtx]

Thank you for Your review, I'm looking for lowering kit fot this bike , there is lowering kit for bmw f 850gs , do you think this set would fit?

[@ScotlandsGold]

Cheers. Would be good to see one in person,as last time I had my hands on a new triumph I thought the switches felt cheap also, suppose they are all made in china now

[@ogasi1798]

great bike - money on the table you will hear no unhappy owner reports

[@1couple4bikes]

The likes of Voge, CF Moto and Kove know they have to up the game to be successful outside of China. Look what Royal Enfield have done to get a market share. We are picking up two DSX’s this week after trying one a few weeks ago.

[@iankirkwood2110]

Excellent review well done. Like the bike and am tempted to sell my 2019 KTM 1290 for almost the money I would pay for a new bike....❤

[@motechRevolution]

After owning and reviewing the bike for nearly 8 months and covered 5k all i can say is i agree about the Indicator switch but its still working fine. The bike here in Spain is even cheaper than the UK. Would I pay double for its sister bike the F900GSA, no not even if i had the money, as you say the damage is done. If i won the lottery yes I would buy the 1300 GS because its still individual. The parallel twin BMWs will be hit hard.

[@vohannes]

It's the second bike from China at a super good price with loads of extras en quality components. The first being CF Moto's MT800. It proves that we have been robbed blind by the mainstream manufacturers when it comes to pricing.

[@daddystu7046]

They know how much they can overcharge us and we'll still pay it. Probably our own fault as consumers to be fair.

[@ibi.sofekun]

I have a question: On the electricals does it use an Alternator or a Rectifier to charge the battery?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@ibi.sofekun Very good question … to which I don’t know the answer! But I can find out and will report back.

[@anxiousappliance]

A battery is a DC component - pretty sure output from the alternator would run through a rectifier. LOL

[@MotoXplor]

Being in the USA, the only reason I wouldn't get a Chinese machine is the fear of getting parts in the future. The assholic government is so jealous of a successful China that they are making it very hard to do business with them. Tariffs and the like are going to get worse and I even wonder if we will get to see this bike here.

[@pstanyer1]

Couldn't get parts for my Honda to cb500x. Took 3 months to arrive.

[@mengaw-yong2490]

Agree they seem to block any cheap non us alternatives but apple were cover get their stuff made in china ship over under apple label

[@mengaw-yong2490]

A sensible no nonsense review thanks

[@kevindarkstar]

17:27 but the difference between radial and axial is really only noticeable on the track, but not really on road 😜

[@airotechuk7261]

The only thing I would be concerned about is the quality of the frame and wheels etc as Chinese steel and alloy parts tend to bend or break a little more frequently than say a more expensive brand, as they say buy cheap buy twice, but it does look a fabulous bit of kit

[@451greenwood]

Must say, the point you make is I'd say the biggest problem with any Chinese bikes, I've had two Chinese bikes and they have been great, but for the frame rusting badly, yes these bikes maybe fantastic in warm, hot countries like Spain,but we are in the wet UK and Chinese steal is poor at best, however on this bike, only time will tell

[@geoffgill3240]

Insurance for Voge is significanly dearer than it's peers and depreciation is way higher. Also as you say the BMW is the better bike (I've had both), possibly a used BMW is the better bet?

[@magaudion]

To be a tad pedantic, its not a BMW engine, its a Loncin engine that BMW uses in their 850/900.

[@kevindarkstar]

Very true, but therefore it's still exactly the same engine as used in the BMW 😊

[@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles]

@@kevindarkstarthe word “exactly” needs to taken with “a slice of salt” as we say in the Netherlands.. end control of European brands, BMW in this case, “might” be different (IS) than Chinese specific “end control” we have “some” experience with that TBH….

[@kevindarkstar]

@@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles yeah that's a fair point

[@jasperconrod]

If you look back in time I think it was a rotax engine

[@martinhughes9769]

I’m not a Triumph owner I have been looking at one. you’ve mentioned several brands you didn’t mention the Tiger,yes it’s expensive compared to this but a great bike, this looks great value, I wonder how it will last after a couple of wet Welsh winters will it deteriorate, is the engine a full BMW 900 or have some of the components been compromised,great review, what’s the warranty ??

[@451greenwood]

Two year warranty with this bike or 4years on the equivalent CFmoto

[@chrispack3131]

What would matter to me is what is the after sales service like & are spares easy to acquire?

[@wesmccrum3575]

Moto GB are the importer and will carry spares in the UK. Loncin the parent company are one of the biggest manufacturers in China

[@451greenwood]

​@@wesmccrum3575yes spot on so explain your points a correct then why are the having supplies problems in Spain? Considering they have 10x more dealerships for the best selling bike in Spain, yet parts are hard to come by, it's not unheard of to be waiting 3mths+ for shocks and exhausts, point being if they cannot supply the biggest market in Spain, then what makes you think they can supply anything like in the UK? I'm talking from experience of owning 2 Chinese bikes in 7years and parts have always been hard to get

[@wesmccrum3575]

@451greenwood I can't explain how things are in Spain sorry as I have no knowledge of the importer /manufacturer relationship.Inwould hope that Moto GB would operate in a more timely manner

[@kevindarkstar]

7:32 but at least it's a cross plane 270 degree twin, which sounds soooo much better than the other twins which sounds flat

[@timcully4706]

Bike looks good, and a bonus with all the tech, But only time will tell how good it is, It may well be top quality and I hope it is, though I don't see myself buying one anytime soon, until they prove themselves, I normally keep my bikes a long time, Honda CBR600 was 17 years old when I traded it in, looked like new excepted for some pitting on front shocks, now on Honda Crossrunner, 35K miles and 7 year old, Looks like new, So time will tell on the Voge brand. when I eventually change bike, I will probably have to leave Honda, as at the moment, they have nothing I really fancy. Interesting times ahead, especially with the Chinese bikes being developed.

[@allancnc]

What is the price, please? Mileage, please? How is it compared to Kove 800, if you know that, please?

[@anxiousappliance]

It seems that we now have a choice between KTM twin design, and BMW twin design. Life is short, and I would sure go with a KTM design for a little zest.

[@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff]

Some weight comparisons would be interesting, is it a little on the heavy side for this class?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

Sorry, yes, I didn't get to that in the vid. It's listed as 220kg, which is c. 15kg more than a Honda Transalp or Yamaha Tenere but on a par with a Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE, which is probably a closer comparison to be fair.

[@richardhretczak536]

220 dry I guess but with or whit out the luggage?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@richardhretczak536 Not stated in my spec, sadly. But that’s on a par with an equivalent V-Strom 800DE Tour so sounds about right. If I get any update on that I’ll share it.

[@Lakiozoon]

In the so called ADV market, assuming you would want to ride the bike all over the world, I think the availability of repair/spare parts makes a big deal. I'm not sure how the new brands deal with that, but would like to know more about it.

[@anxiousappliance]

How do established brands deal with it? In most of the world a 250 is a really big bike.

[@easydailytrades4205]

If the switch gear is the only real gripe that you just couldn't live with. You could change that for aftermarket for these than a grand. Still miles in front.

[@mac22011964]

Imagine them spending another £1000 retail on quality and the established brands have a real problem. The key is going to be dealer network.

[@markbrimecome3309]

I think the big brands need to be offering more for the buck like dash cams, heated seat, luggage, as standard otherwise what happened to british bikes could go the same way with all the big brand and the Chinese will only get better hopefully

[@guystevens162]

Yes look a good bike and some decent spec. Also like to know service intervals and what's lights like at night and is the switch gear back lit. 😊

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@guystevens162 See below for service interval info from Rod at Voge importer MotoGB - this corrects the info I’d previously posted!

[@guystevens162]

@midlifecrisismotorcyclist wow that's close. Hmmmm is because based on BMW platform I wonder.

[@rodgeskell4218]

The left hand switchgear is backlit - it's also exactly the same switch cluster as used by both KTM & Ducati...

[@rodgeskell4218]

Service intervals are every 6k kms (3,750 miles) or 12 months - whichever occurs sooner. However services alternate between an oil & filter service and a safety check - so oil changes are actually every 7,500 miles. It's not uncommon on a new model for the manufacturer to play it safe with short service intervals for the first 12 months or so...ie what Royal Enfield did with valve clearances being checked at first service

[@rodgeskell4218]

Full LED lighting and front driving lights / fog lights are included as standard which work well in all conditions and at night also making you very visible to oncoming traffic !

[@checker3694]

I bet less goes wrong with this, than BMW,s, notorious for recalls and releasing Tec that they have not developed properly. One case in point GS 1300 panniers that fall off and have no fix for, and are refunding cost of panniers, and won't have a solution till june 2025.

[@guystevens162]

@checker3694 ha ha sounds like another bike player that releases something it's advertised lol. And not a bike lol a well known phone 🤣 😂 😅 🙂

[@ZeFernandoH]

On your test ride you didn't use Sport mode to really feel the engine's power. I guarantee it's very different from Road mode...

[@chrismac5183]

I'm contemplating getting a 900 Voge, it's about time we as the punter get more for our buck, the big brands do tend to become rather elitist playing on there reputation of being the best. I think this brand is going to put fear into the big brands and when the sales start to drop they are going to have to rethink there marketing strategy, maybe adding the goodies as standard ?

[@jonmulholland4336]

We can’t know for sure at this point but I suspect that we are at a pivotal moment in the history of motorcycling, as we were when the Japanese motorbikes arrived. Scepticism, prejudice and outright racism at times driving some to dismiss the prospect that the Chinese can beat the Europeans in quality technology. But look at the EV sector. China have already become the world leaders in quality technology in this field. They are also a decade or more into manufacturing European BMW and KTM engines.

[@Potatoman7]

I’ve seen one video mentioning snatchy throttle, has anyone else encountered that issue?

[@midlifecrisismotorcyclist]

@@Potatoman7 Maybe a tad in Sport, which is why I mainly stuck to Road, which felt fine to me.

[@andycapp3867]

That has been almost eliminated by the latest software…4.4. My bike came with it already installed and it is a phenominal machine. I’ve had BMW in the main for the last 30 years and it doesn’t disappoint. Only had it for one week, due to other commitments I’ve only put 150 miles on the clock but in sport mode….it flies.

[@David-m7f3g]

​@@andycapp3867Sounds good, i will Pick up mine tomorrow. But! These Kind of Updates impact only the Display not the ECU. I think peopele haluzinating here 😂

[@packfan1946]

Not available on this side of the world. It sounds like demand is high from stories of waiting periods of four or so months. I can see why that is.

[@BraindeadChris92]

i thought i was watching a Tom Scott video when this came on lol but good bike that.

[@stephenwilliams1824]

If UK employees were paid salaries of Chinese workers for example building these bikes well, we maybe could not even afford these bikes on the road. There is a difference buying accessories and clothing from TEMU or Ali Express from £5-150 rather than £10-20K for a motorcycle. If it starts to corrode within 2-3 years of use, the resale value no doubt will crash.

[@johnpipping3848]

Can you get spares easily? No good if it’s laid up in a garage for the sake of a twopenny part.

[@anxiousappliance]

That's what I realized about my ducati, so I bought a Suzuki to back it up. LOL

[@stephenhiggins5912]

It would be nice to have the option not to have the luggage, which would make the bike more affordable

[@raybell7696]

Look at Datsun years ago, made fantastic engines but the bodywork used to rot.Now Nissan is at the top of the tree, especially for supplying numbers

[@Greggspies]

Legacy brands will lose sales through this machine it's great for the money, if your in the market and tour abroad it's the one! I'm selling my 1200GS and prob go for this

[@CaptainCaveman782]

Chinese bikes seem to divide people. On one hand you get the folks who haven't the ability to separate geo-politics or distain for a nation and its people, with the quality of a bike. On the other have folks, who think they are getting a near quality BMS at half the price I live here in China for 10+ years and well familiar with Chinese bikes. Its a mixed bag to be honest. All reviews like this channel here can only do a quick review on a new Chinese bikes and often many start singing its praise. Its understandable but its of very limit use. I browse the forums here in China and often popping into 2nd hand dealers or looking older bikes on the street. Take this voge DS900X for example, the controls are of very poor quality, that cheap plastic and rocker switch will break in a few years get clogged up with dirt. They all look great on day one. The Chinese forums often have complains of dead TFT screens in winter, loosening bolts excessive bear in steering head bearing , excessive handle bar vibration at 170km, leaking fork seals. I see 4 year old bikes on the street here, the paintwork is fading, premature rust in header pipes and exhaust. Alloys such as foot pegs snap with a fall Mine started to have pin hole leaks and exhaust almost gone after year 4, the glue holding the grips came loose after 3. I replace forks after 22,000KM. I dropped my bike on a mountain road at stand still and broke the frame carrying the side pannier I am not just talking about Voge here. The CFMoto 800MT suffers from broken fuel gauge sensor after two years, usb port susceptible to rain . Chinese bikes add on a lot of gadgetry to make it attractive to the consumer but they will break prematurely compared to a Honda, BMW, Triumph. I find with modern bikes the engine never really is the issue (OK KTM an exception ), its all the bits attached to it. Actually complaints on engines are not that common on Chinese forums, but its mainly because they are use other manufactures older models. Chinese bikes are inferior to Europeans and Japanese no question, they are far more popular than Japanese. For example in Beijing, Kawasaki, Honda, Triumph, Harley only have one little store each in a city with 25m people. CF alone have about 20 Essentially they are a OK budget bike but they are certainly not anything like a FS900GS or an African twin. If you want to put it though its paces like a real ADV you need to stick with the main brands but it you want to do look tours, potter about they are fine.

[@davidsandilands1285]

If you’re on budget and you intend to keep it for many years it’s no brainer. E5 only 🤔. Short warranty thou

[@richardhretczak536]

What’s the warranty?

[@andycapp3867]

@@richardhretczak536 2 years, dealer or vat registered garage using accredited parts.

[@Rider-EuropeanMotorcycles]

@@richardhretczak536chinese warranty is most of the time, you can sent it back at your own costs and then wait and see… maybe they replace it, maybe not… chinese make their own rules…

[@451greenwood]

​@@richardhretczak536two years on this brand, and 4 on CFMoto

[@joedudz]

Quick point. Japanese bikes did not copy British bike. They designed their own products and damn good they were too. Chinese bikes are unashamedly copies.

[@markwalding8205]

Competition can only be a good thing for us, the buying public. BMW and Triumph be warned, you're too expensive.

[@nationalinterest1]

Shame only a two year warranty.... CFMOTO 4 years...BMW 3 years and SUZUKI 3 (up to 7 potentially)....🤔 Are VOGE not that confident.

[@johnharris7353]

Glad you like it, I certainly don't want it! It's ugly!

[@andylewis210]

If there was a proper dealer near me not some backstreet dodgy looking place I’d get one

[@joedudz]

Im no supporter of Chinese knock offs of the bikes western brands have had built there. BUT. Those brands did not pass the cost benefits onto their customers so BMW, Triumph deserves all they get.

[@rustyblade5845]

I think they dropped the ball with the name sounds terrible. One more letter and it would of sounded better and cooler. Vogue, strike a pose...😮

[@michaelowen1591]

Beautiful bike is a fantastic value for money and no doubt about the quality made by China. China the country that robs other companies design and technology. The country that pays scant regard to workers rights. Has no crazy zero carbon taxation policies and absolutely brilliant at undercutting the competition. Smartest of all buying known brands names. The harshest reality is no one gives a dam as long as the price is right. Its almost impossible to buy anything from shops thats not made in China. Looks like motorbikes and cars going the same way. Trump as the right idea with tarrifs before the manufacturing back bones of country's is completely destroyed. Quality aside does anyone care about why the bike is so cheap. Obviously not.

[@Deertracks123]

Why China

[@volt8684]

£9000 cheap😢

[@kugangles9860]

Why do all these China bikes look like they come from the same manufacturer. No soul or unique designs behind these bikes.

[@marcusaureliusss]

You need to pay double for a bike with 'soul'. The rest of us can make do with this.

[@andycapp3867]

Because the Chinese manufacturers spend time and energy (not a lot of yen) on market research, look at what the public are buying, analyse the competition and repeat the Japanese formula of the 70’s.

[@MrB1967]

@@marcusaureliusss Guzzi V85TT is not massively more expensive and has soul in spades.

[@andyleeson6048]

@@MrB1967v85 TT is 12-13k

[@MrB1967]

​@@andyleeson6048 I got a 22 plate one with 1000 miles on it 7.5k... why buy new...

[@Deertracks123]

It's half the bike

[@austinrider5221]

17 inch rear wheel low seat, not much good for off road trail