Dark Souls 3 Story ► The Nameless King's Betrayal

/ vaatividya
LORE NOTE: It's not 100% confirmed that Havel is the "Brave Dragonslayer" who served both Ornstein & the Nameless King. It's up for speculation. Personally I think he is the most likely candidate as:
a) Havel Knights are summoned by the man-serpent summoners
b) Havel is rumoured to have an occult plot against the gods
Another likely candidate is the wearer of the Dragonslayer Armour. I confidently say it is Havel for the purpose of storytelling, as Prepare to Cry is about interpretation - not speculation.
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[@vin8754]

Nameless: Dad, I love dragons. Gwyn: GET OUT OF THIS HOUSE

[@joshuaolsoncook]

GiantDad: Children, please; stop arguing.

[@dprince1987]

LMAO

[@chimedemon]

Nameless: dad, I love dragons Gwyn: *slaps nameless* GO OUTSIDE.

[@zenfirdaus5065]

That's how you get Movie : How to Train your Dragon

[@Ry91415]

Gwyn: that’s okay I’m obsessed with fire.

[@LBEfication]

Nameless King: Spear Ornstein: Spear Havel: ...TOOTH

[@kindahungry8505]

Havel is a man of culture

[@xXGamerRoyaleXx]

Whack!

[@nikostsavousakis933]

White Knight nice pun

[@Cooky_McGee]

Truly, the doomguy of darksouls... But with dragons

[@razor27]

@@Cooky_McGee bonk and bonks untill it honks

[@mavil64]

Ah... the nameless king and his most powerful weapon. The Camera

[@domikarus5237]

I would say for the Nameless King himself the camera is okay, but for the King of Storms it's a hole other story

[@mavil64]

@@domikarus5237 Yeah you're right

[@dayannayanez1933]

the prould, it is you?

[@sinogaris9854]

For the most part I would agree with you, except for when he does the fast quarter circle around you which breaks camera lock, that move killed me the first time he did it as I didn't know the timing of the inevitable attack.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

The camera is flawless, just don't lock on during most parts of the first phase. They gave you all the tools you needed long before this fight by giving you bosses such as Wolnir, the Greatwood, and even the Old Demon King and Sulyvahn. Your mistake for not picking up on it. These days I like the first phase as much as I like the second. It's grandiose like nothing else.

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

NK: i have a swordspear that does a lightning damage Ornstein: i have a long spear that resembles myself as a dragonslayer Havel: *lmao dragon tooth*

[@erlonbrunosouzamiranda8525]

Why does this comment make me picture Havel with Siegmeyer's voice?

[@huskytzu7709]

Bonk

[@ncrranger3299]

Haha toof go CLANG

[@fulviopontarollo2952]

Is dragon tooth just the ancient version of a large club?

[@edeworabraham2761]

Dragon tooth go brrr

[@huskytzu7709]

Smough remained at his post because he was too fat to move

[@Kyosuke700]

or to fat to get out because the doors where to small

[@mythicx_2851]

True

[@syaboku4811]

And yet, can still jump and slammed his ass in the area. Sure.

[@armintor2826]

Under his armour hes actualy mega ripped, just his armour makes him appear fat

[@adoringfan1924]

huskytzu thicc

[@noisemarine561]

The nameless King was banned because he leveled up dexterity.

[@themrcrow2901]

B*TCH, I LEVEL UP DEXTERITY!!! Don't you shame it! please?

[@themrcrow2901]

@@misterredacted5417 I use wanderer, want to keep close to how wanderer is when leveling. Note: wanderer has high starting dexterity.

[@themrcrow2901]

@@misterredacted5417 and thief

[@themrcrow2901]

@@misterredacted5417 Not exactly a casual, but yeah, definitely could be better.

[@misterredacted5417]

@@themrcrow2901 wat rings u got bithc

[@dave3938]

That final shot was cool but someone’s getting sent back to the bonfire there

[@Derperific]

The vigor gang humbly declines your request

[@clitcrusader4897]

Imagine getting one shotted by nk lmao couldn't be me bruv

[@puncherofbread]

YOU'RE GOING TO BRAZIL

[@blue_caduceus592]

Wait a minute... The Nameless King is the god of the Warriors of Sunlight, yes? And Ornstein is a knight of the Nameless King? So... Ornstein is a Sunbro!

[@themrcrow2901]

*praise intensifies*

[@blodcraftx6338]

\[T]/

[@le_mothman]

Damn straight.

[@SacredSwordOfJovan]

*joy*

[@hilomorajivera900]

And would that make the Nameless King name, Farran?

[@RouRa9]

You didnt mention that you find Ornstein's armor right after defeating the nameless king, which suggest he did find him in the end :)

[@RouRa9]

QUEENDOM That was an illusion made by Gwyndolin. The real Ornstein left Anor Londo to look for the nameless king.

[@jacquesuren2048]

Not on a corpse. It's just laying there. Meaning he probably just threw it away, so he could transform into one of those emaciated demonic deer creatures in the next room. Another theory is that Orestien is the King of Storms. The dragon The Nameless King is riding. Everybody else was trying to turn into a dragon, Orestein could of just got it right.

[@matiidesign]

RouRou but u can take ornsteins soul if u kill smough first

[@DaPsychocat]

I like that theory. It's poetic and nice.

[@ezzreacts9791]

RouRou and the Nameless King. kill Ornstein

[@owendiaram3870]

Nameless King was actually cast out of Anor Londo because he had a better hairstyle than Gwyn. Calling it now.

[@Ahill060606]

owen diaram ...but that's just his crown

[@georgevanderslice9720]

Yeah, the Nameless King wears a wig. You can even get it after defeating him.

[@bostontowny4life744]

That hair is not really his hair... it's part of his armor...

[@iWillWakeYouUp]

It is his hair

[@thelma5081]

no he is bald i was surperisd too

[@gabrielgoes0]

We should've let the Nameless King alone, really. Being the player we sometimes are the biggest villains of this series.

[@Soma-vd3lp]

"But so it is, that Ash seeketh Embers"

[@elsinernixan7539]

@@Soma-vd3lp "When the embers are two, a flame is born, such is your nature"

[@mikemerchant9242]

I let him be, i just wanted the dragon stone.

[@OhImSaucy]

Mike Merchant u just didn’t feel like fighting his ass don’t lie

[@ImmortuiRex74]

@@OhImSaucy he's not that hard of a boss tbh. Beat him on my first try.

[@revtheapex]

The thought of Havel going around giving dragons concussions and blunt force trauma by bopping them on the head has always been my favorite thing to imagine about him.

[@cvampaul]

That made laugh out loud 🤣🤣

[@BigHummer1994]

Why Ricard is naked is the deepest lore.

[@Jonathan-hl5il]

lol I knew someone was gonna say a joke somewhere on here.

[@shaeveria5218]

He's naked cuz he lost his armor in. Ds1

[@Sad_Mercy]

I think that's cause he was having sex with a serpent. He is a prince after all.

[@ingonyama70]

...the play is called "The Aristocrats."

[@triplebog]

BigHummer1994 I always thought it was a sort of "throwing off all earthly possessions save only his blade" type thing. Like he goes to this mountain castle and becomes super enlightened and has no need for the armor any longer.

[@Dragonlover553]

People who fight dragons invariably end up allied with them... he's not wrong. Look at Gwyn himself, allied with Seath the Scaleless since the beginning.

[@elwen9477]

It's more like Seath allied to Gwyn though, by betraying his kin

[@rickriot8743]

Look at Hiccup from httyd

[@baruchjauregui188]

It was the other way around foo, Sleath the scaleless allied with him , betraying them, the dragons

[@rileyholloway9182]

Look at the dragonborn in Skyrim

[@thomadenglish7892]

I didn’t want to kill seath

[@minecraftmaster12245]

8:25 in that cutscene in game you can actually see his hand tremble a bit before killing his dragon

[@auroralevasseur8567]

That's so sad

[@tacticallemon7518]

I’ve seen someone talk about that detail how NK seems reluctant to power himself up using his companion’s carcass, and how Smough doesn’t show the same reluctance when crushing Ornstien’s corpse Which, i feel is fine because Smough is an executioner, and a cannibal, no less He could very well be a psychopath or sociopath, or maybe just an extreme sadist

[@risaYilA]

Why does he kill his dragon??

[@prince_nox]

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention how, right after defeating the Nameless King and exiting the battle area, you find Ornstein's armor just lying there on the ground, suggesting that was his final resting place, reunited with his master ; n ;

[@rhysjonsmusic]

@Lorenzo Giampietri nah the sacred oath miracle implies that Ornstein was faithful to nameless.

[@AttiMatter]

@Lorenzo Giampietri no, as it is one of the few items in the game lying on the ground *not* near a body.

[@AttiMatter]

@@josephgold208 Yeah, I actually think that theory may be the case! I was replying to Lorenzo.

[@Junglehunter677]

Ornstein is one of the dragon statues upon arch dragon peak. When he found the nameless king, he forsook his armor and fully embraced the path that his king had started.

[@dumbwhiteguy9704]

Well there is no body that you find it on though. It’s just there on the floor

[@TyagoMS4]

"War is supposed to be waged for what we believe in. Not to erase our opposition from existence." That final bit (along with that shot of the Ashen One clashing with the Nameless King) is just GOOD writing. It must've felt good nailing that bit. You did the character's nature justice. You go Vaati. You go.

[@NobleDankLord]

you know what the truth is? nameless king oneshotted the little shit. and the poor guy started again from the belfry bonfire.

[@farrel_ra]

@@NobleDankLord HAHA lol, i did it on my 1st try. Thunder speckleplate ring+ring of steel prot. + Winged knight set + spirit tree shield + fire buff works well for me.

[@TimesConflux]

i agree that shot was badass, a very well put together video indeed. I just started playing dark souls (dark souls 3 being my first souls experience) and all of the lore is super interesting

[@calliecalamity8787]

That line was the best conclusion

[@aztecgoldmontizuma]

I felt the same way, I even saved the quote.

[@Gigas0101]

Gwynevere was born to soothe the kingdom... Gwyndolyn was born to maintain the illusion of the gods Filianore was born because Miyazaki watched and old movie and wanted to steal a design.

[@cazmoken8181]

I assume that movie is Angel's egg?

[@phantommaster7965]

@@cazmoken8181 I'd assume so considering the resemblance

[@Ajay-dy3xw]

Nameless was born to like dragons

[@GmanTheTank]

90% of Dark Souls is stolen from Berserk lmao

[@momojaykins]

@@GmanTheTank no shit?

[@Saanteru]

Havel Ornstein and Nameless king, this trio reminds me of the pillar men

[@cthulhuisgamer373]

One is of true honor another uses underhand tactics to get his way and the other is just immortal but has been subdued

[@b3rz3rk3r9]

Then who would be Santana in this dynamic? Smough?

[@Saanteru]

@@b3rz3rk3r9 Probably

[@Monsoon440]

@@b3rz3rk3r9 or artorias

[@solidsalt3412]

3 people?!?! Must be a jojos reference!!!

[@Summon_Aery]

I just realised all of Gwyns family have their eyes closed, covered or hollowed out. Wonder if there is any meaning behind it.

[@truedamagetype]

Ash Have you seen how eyes looked in the series, everyone would look like a derp in cutscenes.

[@seijitheicedrake9487]

they gained too much insight

[@huanquatro]

Hard to animate eyes

[@Summon_Aery]

Maybe, seems like a bit of a cop out though.

[@beeholder1160]

They didn't ask Kos or any

[@chesterstevens8870]

False: the Nameless King was banished for losing Lord Gwyn's Van Halen mixtape.

[@adeade3978]

Cyborg Gunslinger after all this time, the only thing that nor ends, neither wither or dies, are the Souls' memes

[@Shibbymatt]

Sunlight4lyfe

[@MacTenGaming]

False again: nameless king is not gwyns first born but gwyn himself

[@thomasstadler6259]

False again! The firstborn was really sent to find a meaning to life, he never succeeded.

[@MacTenGaming]

Thomas Stadler FALSE AGAIN gwyn is actually a sentient being from blood-borne which means connected universe

[@novelgalaxydoesstuff6379]

I don’t know if this is a popular theory, but I believe that the Stormdrake is in fact, Ornstein. We all know that you have to remove all your armor to use a dragon stone, and Ornstein’s armor can be found not on a corpse, but on the ground, discarded. This could mean that he joined the Nameless King and became a dragon.

[@david95ms]

That's crazy. I would like to believe it but storm drake is too colossal to come from a human. Also, using the dragon stone would give him a more dragonic from, not wywern like

[@justfrog_]

This theory is bullshit, sorry but it is. The famous DRAGONSLAYER literally known for KILLING DRAGONS just say "hey i want to be a dragon" ?

[@ajayrathee7081]

​@@justfrog_ Did you even watch the video or are you just trolling?

[@froginabucket7294]

I think it’s more likely that he went “probably shouldn’t talk with a dragon ally while dressed up in dragon slaying gear”

[@emergensiexit]

this theory is so cool but I think its just Ornstein refusing the dragonslayer armor and joining the NK.

[@nanoflower4202]

0:00 Don't even try and lie and say that your eyes weren't immediately drawn by Gwynevere's beautiful.... pillow.

[@user-gg1eo9tg8u]

It is a pretty cool pillow

[@aymanelkadouri8235]

Be wary of amazing chest

[@vergilthedeadbeat5474]

Yep its a nice boo... Pillows

[@Paleo_P1anet]

Imma be straight honest I WAS STARING AT HER "PILLOWS"

[@Rubbish_]

I wish I could rest my head on that huge soft pillow

[@mrelite8519]

Funny, how Gwyn allowed the world a right to an end, but when his end came he refused it, causing a repeat of the age of ancients, until one of three powerful undead turn their back on the cycle, and allow the world to progress.

[@MrMhtmht]

Dragons + Heide + Nameless King are the true rulers. Gwyn hated dragons and humans, Vendrick had good intentions but ended up being corrupted by Nashandra. Aldia and Ornstein are true heroes (and Velstadt for his loyalty of course). Long live Heide and the ancient dragons! Can't decide between Way of Blue/Blue sentinels and Sunbros.

[@friskreynolds8885]

@HeavyArtillery6 opinions.

[@marcthomas4488]

Awesome analysis! Thanks, Dude

[@radityakevin6352]

The undead are just nature’s pawns

[@ASmartNameForMe]

@@radityakevin6352 until the ashen one came around

[@DeepFreeze172]

Vaati - "Becoming the third member-" ME: "OF THE DK CREW"

[@warbreaker88]

DeepFreeze172 CG! Coconut gun!

[@nyclurker603]

Praying for another kong game like DK64

[@TheWoah]

HUH!

[@michaelwall9961]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h36ch4ilh96Znck

[@LovelyHick]

getting some cringy memories of dancing to this with my cousin, aaaaah yea that sweet nostalgia thanks xD

[@tanveersakib2494]

From countless hours in the game and doing soo much research I finally figured out why nameless king betrayed gwyn and sided with the dragons. It was because of two reasons from which the main one was because gwyn sacrificed fillilanore to trap the darks souls in the ringed city, nameless king had undying love for his youngest sister, now how does this make sense ? If you look closely at fillianore's church you'll see circle like curvings on the walls, ground which matches the ones at archdragon peak where nameless king stays. This proves his dedication and love for his sister even in a state of hollow. Second reason is he somehow realized that the dragons were the only creatures that can consume the dark of the abyss and stop its spread, just like darkeater midir. Gwyn couldn't believe and for being racist against the dragons he exiled his firstborn and stripped off his title as the god of war. For me I think Gwynsen's (NK) betrayal makes sense and if I were him I'd probably have done the same. He sacrificed everything for the greater good and if only gwyn would've listened all the tragedies wouldn't have ever happen in the first place. But oh well, its dark souls soooo.. 😬

[@torchoclock]

I love your theory and agree with it. One thing I’ve been thinking of is the floressa lion knights. The pledge themselves to a unknown god of war. I dont think gweynsen did nothing after his exile. Maybe he fought i other wars in different lands earning him the name Faraam and the floressa lion knights worshipped him. Only a theory but i think it checks out.

[@lailaisaidit2223]

Good job dude that really make sense now👍🏻

[@AdeptKing]

That does sound interesting. I like how it makes him seem more like the honorable king that his father believed himself to be.

[@plinplinplonbutwhole6908]

Imagine naming him Gwynsen without realising that the Sen's Fortress was actually named after him. A theory from your theory

[@theonewhoismany8072]

Gwyn exiling his son is the most innacurate thing ever.And there is proof in game in both the japanese and localization that proves that the Firstborn was exiled after Gwyn's death most likely by Gwyndollin.

[@RuskiFuze01]

I like the theory that Ornstein turned into the stormdrake that nameless rides on. Makes sense with how the whole area is about people turning themselves into dragons, the fact that bits of ornstein and smoughs boss fight music is used in nameless kings boss fight and that would explain why nameless hesitated when absorbing the drakes power. Also helps that O&S do the same thing in their second phase

[@drip5952]

nah it says nameless king tamed him in battle so the theory doesnt make sense

[@RuskiFuze01]

@@drip5952 it does in English but sometimes it doesn’t translate over correctly. I had doubts when watching this video but then hearing the bits of O&S theme in Nameless’ theme kind of makes the theory a little too “coincidental”

[@drip5952]

whats the correct translation then@@RuskiFuze01

[@tyranidswarmlord9722]

@@drip5952 These are the Warriors of Sunlight we are talking about, specifically the Patron Deity of the Sunbros and the OG Sunbro. Fighting to tame, after Ornstein transforms himself into a dragon, is exactly the kind of thing they'd do.

[@drip5952]

idk i find it highly unlikely orenstein is the king of the storm its more reasonable to believe hes one of the dead half dragons@@tyranidswarmlord9722

[@monadamus42]

"For war is supposed to be waged for what we believe in, not to erase our opposition from existence." VaatiVidya What a beautiful quote Vaati! I even googled it thinking you may be quoting some awesome warrior king. Great video, but this quote is the gem. Thanks buddy

[@lostfool2827]

The song that’s playing when he says that is our home among the stars

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

VaatiVidya: ''War is supposed to be waged for what we believe in, not to erase our opposition from existence.'' Nazi Germany and Islam: Hold our beers.

[@Blurrybob]

@@TheStraightestWhitest Muslims aren't allowed to drink alcohol. Not that they don't, but not allowed.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@Blurrybob Huh, I didn't know that. Interesting.

[@Blurrybob]

@@TheStraightestWhitest if you don't know, now you know

[@kaidanardono2691]

So it's a darker version of How to Train Your Dragon. Those bred to kill the dragons eventually find out that the dragons aren't so bad after all, and befriend them. Gwyn is basically Stoick the Vast and Nameless King is Hiccup.

[@gankness]

Except Stoick ends up forgiving the dragons, he also didn't exile his son...

[@BansheeKing22]

Xtazic He would have exiled his son if he didn't kill him first. The parallels between the two are minor but they do exist. Dragons is more of a kids show as we all know so of course he forgives the dragons and doesn't exile his son but if we look at it with the eyes of logic and reason then we begin to see that given the chance and option which he had in the movie, he would have exiled his son for his perceived betrayal the same way Gwyn did with the nameless king. Like I said its a kid movie so some kids wouldn't understand the concept of betrayal or banishment. Us adults and some kids would however. Just my thoughts on it.

[@gozinta82]

That's a really weird theory, but whatever.

[@nickjackson7853]

Kai Danardono lol except hiccup can't smite Stoick

[@ryanschur8730]

And patches is shrek.

[@THExRISER]

2:53 Gough's spech coupled with that score is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

[@karaciho]

You know thr music?

[@mokyaffe]

This confirms Ornstein as my favorite character in the souls universe

[@80808]

The combination of your narration and choice of background music, always makes me feel like I'm watching a genuine documentary. Thank you.

[@0NodMan0]

*_"Amazing Chest Ahead!"_*

[@MarkofO]

NodMan Kane lives

[@commandershepaaarrrdwrex2881]

*"Try but hole"*

[@9piecewood]

"Amazing Trap Ahead!"

[@youngedge746]

Beware of losing sanity :v

[@donatepotatoes7675]

Is Gwyn's wife ever mentioned anywhere in any of the games or did he reproduce asexually

[@Minskara]

We may never know

[@shashemption]

He probably had multiple wives and Banished them, as well.

[@MertOguz]

this is a japanese game, so you know, its probably weird as fuck. Especially since his all children named after Gwyn-combinations. I don't really wanna know.

[@themultiversalassociationo9746]

We know he had wives and multiple of them

[@weedwizard6306]

yep

[@takikarin2330]

Normal person: Gwyn has 3 children Anyone who knows lore: But wait! THERES MORE!

[@hobodjura481]

Who would win? The ancient warlord son of the most powerful god ever known who literally rides a dragon? Or some tiny person who can roll?

[@backstabboi4559]

The feckin ashen one

[@jackcluff9271]

But along with three button he has Max poise

[@dprince1987]

LMFAO

[@luchi02luchi02]

The ancient warlord son and his secret and most deadly weapon the camera

[@adorablecenturion8436]

It still kinda baffles me lmao

[@alexandernance6332]

I just had a loregasm

[@Svidrigailov1]

Great portmanteau

[@alexandernance6332]

William H. Bonney Danke

[@Mitsuru-Miki]

3:12 Gough: The dragons teased out our dearest emotions, thou will understand one day” Me after dying to Kalameet, Ancient Dragon,and Midir for the Millionth time: *Sniffs* and rubs nose.

[@T4ZSK1]

- "Dad, I'm a Scaly..." - "Get out of my sight, this is strictly a Furry-household!"

[@arthyyyr8401]

Wait so scaly is the reptilian version of furry? Is there any other "thing like this"?

[@0la_N0rdman]

@@arthyyyr8401 you are asking "for a friend" right?

[@arthyyyr8401]

@@0la_N0rdman i won't jerk off to it but im somehow interested

[@0la_N0rdman]

@@arthyyyr8401 There are a small group of people who are into Arthropods(humanized insects). They have not adopted a specific word to describe themselves, most likely because of their size in numbers. there have been usage of the word "Buggy" to describe them, but rather sparingly.

[@arthyyyr8401]

@@0la_N0rdman oh okay thx

[@hoppingbird1588]

Yes but the real betrayal was was nameless king's own skin, like damn that shit turned on him.

[@youreokayboah2128]

Dark souls suks Cod is better and requires morre skill

[@Basketfullofcrabs]

Now that's some quality bait right there!

[@youreokayboah2128]

Vaato Go away bot

[@TheKnivingComplex]

Nameless is my favorite character in DS3, its a pity he hollowed by the time we get to him, would'a been cool to have a seriously OP summonable, but after that fight I think you deserve it. Great vid Vaati

[@Mr1worldin]

The Kniving Complex Is he even hollowed? We know only humans become hollow, not gods. And he doesn’t seem to be insane, as he is quite calm and collected in his cutscene. It’s true that he is withered and has a skeletal appearance, but he does seem to be aware.

[@felipecosta-kv2fx]

@@Mr1worldin Maybe he got his skin burned

[@purpleheart9160]

@@Mr1worldin Gwyn hollowed, didn't he? And he's the OG god too.

[@willbrown3694]

@@purpleheart9160 his soul was burnt away tho. Hollowing is just the loss of soul. Gwyn burnt his soul to rekindle the first flame and consequently became hollow. gods can become hollow if their soul is destroyed, but do not "naturally" (or rather unnaturally) hollow as humans do as a consequence of the undead curse. The undead curse was created by the Gods themselves so it would make little sense for it to affect the Gods

[@astavas8341]

Gods could become hollow, but not as undead. Only human able to become undead.

[@Necrophite78]

"The dragons tease out our dearest emotions" - Finds Kalameet, Sinh and Midir and realises Gough is totally right.

[@tarantula_7u863]

Havel: I slayed a massive, powerful dragon and stole his tooth in order to fight with immense strength on my side! Nameless King and Ornstein: *lmao pointy stick*

[@doomslayer2937]

Havel: Toof

[@landenhays6562]

Clever twist on the meme. Nice.

[@dragonslayerornstein2361]

Mam literally ripped a tooth from a dragon and proceeded to beat him with it

[@notjohncena6492]

@@dragonslayerornstein2361 buck from ice age: i see you are a man of culture havel

[@RoboticTrexRus]

@@dragonslayerornstein2361 Beating him with his own tooth? That doesn’t seem physically possible!

[@AnakinTheWeird]

That was one hell of a final shot...

[@krpajda]

one hell of an opening shot too

[@Malrune]

"Alas, an unkindled would eventually find his way here to archdragon peak" Luckily optional bosses are always spared in the lore.

[@deadwaffle7532]

Wait, so Midir's still alive? What the hell, man...

[@bustinarant]

Elijah Gonzalez IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING!

[@JD-ey9gw]

Was Oceiros optional?

[@solaris4022]

Kalameet.

[@therealweebmain2102]

7:30 how that guy ran straight into the camera view was to funny. :D

[@b3rz3rk3r9]

NK, or Gwynsen/Faraam, is my favorite boss in DS3. I treated this beautiful bastard like something requiring a major prep session. Readied a Drakeblood Greatsword +10 for his Stormdrake, and the Onyx Blade +5 for him. He truly befit the image of a God of Lightning and War. And his weapon is my favorite weapon; worth a Faith/Dex build.

[@Darkjustifier]

What saddens me most is with all that power...he still couldn't see why kids loved the delicious taste on cinnamon toast crunch. a tragedy really.

[@Mayhzon]

Also the reason he eventually just had to die! Such grave sins never go unpunished in our world.

[@adeade3978]

shad slayer we are made by the crunch

[@ozfairdy]

undone by the crunch

[@MaxxsHandle]

uhh... dad... I kind of lost the annals of history.... that's okay, I still lo-- -aaand your Van Halen mixtape... get oooouuut!

[@schmittybacall1655]

Maxx R brings me back. “How’s it feeeeeel seethe... to be a bitch?”

[@godshollownutsack9272]

@@schmittybacall1655 How's it feel seath..... To be forever... Allloooone

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@schmittybacall1655 ''Ain't even got legs!''

[@nightscout9979]

While this video is nicely presented, I think you're underestimating how purged and brutalized the dragons really were. As we can discern from Seath, the Everlasting Dragons were a sentient, sapient species much like the "gods"/humans who had souls. After the war, the only dragon-like beings present live in tiny numbers at the fringes of society, such as the Valley of Drakes, and they only have two wings -- some don't even have arms or forelegs anymore. Even the Nameless King specifically "tamed" the Storm Drake rather than allying with it like one would a fellow person. Added together, this means that Gwyn so thoroughly devastated the dragons that the remainders literally regressed (or negatively evolved in their case) into mere ANIMALS. Their sapience was lost, as well as a chunk of their sentience. The dragons themselves were forced into a sort of hollowing that removed even their limbs and turned them into not just slaves, but beasts of burden. As such, I don't think there's any kind of begrudging or hypocritical alliance or coexistence in cases like the DS II Dragonslayer and the wyvern outside his arena, or even with the Nameless King and the Storm Drake. There is only a constant reminder of how far the dragons have fallen. Even worse for the dragons, the one possible survivor of old might not be a real dragon. As per the Dragon Head and Torso Stones' descriptions in Dark Souls III, warriors who partook in dragon worship "from ancient times" visualized Archdragon Peak as they meditated. This is disconcerting, as the Stone Dragon at Ash Lake is in this exact same pose, and as such may merely be a transformed human. This would certainly explain why the Bonfire down there is already Kindled, as well as why Maneater Shells, seemingly Seath's creations, are down there but the area is otherwise abandoned by the world above. As we can see from the deceased, crumbling dragon people all over Archdragon Peak, this meditating transformation ultimately does nothing to make someone everlasting. That revelation might explain why the Stone Dragon is left undisturbed by Seath, as well as why the Stone Dragon's presence, even through acolytes, vanishes after DS I. Even more worrying is that the Twinking Dragon Head Stone might be saying that the mirage head is of the first human to become a dragon-like being, meaning that the entire root of the Path of the Dragon groups is just worshiping fellow humans, not even the dragons themselves. What's especially damning is that this mirage resembles the giant stone dragon on the mountain that oversees the altar with the Twinking Dragon Stones, meaning that even this colossal stone life form might be a human after all. With that in mind, the Twinkling Dragon Head Stone's note that only one person can complete the journey to the old dragons is suddenly not knowledge, but a deranged guess of a cult that can't produce results, and that would further explain the inherent violence of fighting to the death to "ascend" -- something that certainly hasn't seemed to help the adherents stay alive any better than the genuine dragons did. Taken together, this might explain why the Nameless King, who seems to have been afflicted with the Darksign, is hollowing at Archdragon Peak. He may have realized how thorough the genocide really was, how utterly lost the dragons, their beliefs, and everything about them was, and that there was neither no one left to apologize to nor anything to potentially gain from the denizens. With time, he learned that there were only cultists who became miserable goat-like things, cultists who became pitiful snake men clad in rags, and a bell that pretended these transformations and Highlander-esque fights to the death were worthwhile. Perhaps that despair might be why messages warn that ringing the bell is against the Path of the Dragon, as the Nameless King now decides to just strike down anyone foolish enough to pursue that wasteful endeavor.

[@VERGILGASM]

Someone made a theory that the Ash Lake dragon is actually a true Everlasting Dragon, and that, since the bonfire is Kindled, maybe even a Firekeeper. Also, the last time I checked, it has a tail which can be cut off for a weapon. Only true dragons can do that.

[@nightscout9979]

@@VERGILGASM It's more likely that a Firekeeper was sent down there first then became a dragon than a true Everlasting Dragon being made a Firekeeper and left alone by Seath. The Hellkite Drake drops a tail weapon too.

[@katrinavining8672]

The dragons were sadly victims of their own might and brutality. Humanity knew they would have to utterly devastate the entire draconic race, the humans couldn't just beat them and sow for peace with them afterwards. The dragons were far too ruthless for such a thing, instead beings like the nameless and Ornstein fashioned not just a war upon the dragons but a merciless Holocaust. The dragons were so adamantly annihilated, pulled down from their lofty seats as it were, that it literally changed them on a genetic level. They carry with them a racial scar that had been ingrained so deeply by humans, so as that no living dragon would ever dream of trying to subjugate the human race again. Mankind humbled the draconic race so utterly that most breed of current dragons are mindless animals, where once even the least ancient dragon would've been deemed a god by the ignorant. But like I said, the dragons had to be beaten down like this, they ruled far too cruelly and possessed far too much power, the Lord's knew that so they had to grind the ancient dragons into dust so they could never rule over humans again. It's really interesting stuff.

[@nightscout9979]

@@katrinavining8672 We don't really know if the dragons ruled anyone, let alone in a brutal manner.

[@UKJohnWa11]

i love how you can see his hand tremble as hes about to force the spear through the stormdrakes head

[@irfanyang7343]

My theory on Nameless King's name: "Maelgwyn" Maelgwyn is Welsh (like Gwyn's and most of his children's names) and apparently means something like Battle and Prince. Can you think of a more suitable and likely name? It's in line with the tendency of most of Gwyn's children to carry "Gwyn" in their own names. Not to mention, it sounds like Mal-Gwyn, like a malform of his father's ideals.

[@cameronsmith1288]

Heard a lot of people argue for Gwynsen - as in the creator of sen's fortress

[@irfanyang7343]

OOooooh now that's interesting!

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

Maelgwyn? Male-Gwyn, Plottwist.

[@vlasov18]

Some random guy on facebook told me that by ethymology, the nameless Kings real name must be "Gwyndalf" (given the danish root, and paternalist conjugation; thats why it's "Gwynevere" for the female, also i was shocked that a Lot of girls in denmark actually go by that name :o )

[@ingonyama70]

"Gwyn" doesn't necessarily have to be in the name -- Filianore and Yorshka are his daughters, after all. Plus, if his real name is actually Faraam, it would pair nicely with Filianore, Gwyn's youngest.

[@meeranhaq9479]

anyone else a little taken back at the type of universe Miyazaki made..... like manz got no chill wtf 2 years after last game and we still trying to piece together shite

[@billygoatguy3960]

Probably one of my favorite videos that you've created, blends the stories of all the games together with wonderful presentation

[@todolist411]

"Hello, my name is (N/A), you killed my father, prepare to cry." -The Nameless King

[@petracheravis9793]

man i miss dark souls.... i want another deep lore game... just because i cant get enough of this ancient beings and ancient dragons and wars

[@spacewolfblackmane19]

Try warhammer 40k that is an extremely lore deep franchise that is extremely dark as well

[@Flametalon163]

warframe

[@ketavis3880]

Spacewolf Blackmane name checks out

[@AdAstraPerAsperae]

Hollow knight has good lore

[@GrayFullB]

elden ring is comin

[@s8theninjawarrior916]

Nameless King is probably one of the sadest story in the series, he sacrificed everything to save the dragons, made a safe haven for them and the ones that worship them, but was killed just for more power... I mean, seriously, there is absolutly no point for us, the ashen ones, to go there and murder all of what he has worked for... I say we boycot the Nameless king fight to save him !!! At least he is an optional boss, not like Sif... poor Sif...

[@AstralMuffin105]

Yeah, most of my runs through DS3, I only go to Archdragon Peak just to get Ornstein's set and the Dragonslayer Spear, and leave the Nameless King alone. He just wants to live in peace with his dragons and those that follow the path of dragons.

[@bigbluered2654]

simon rodier nelson Yet he died in the best way he could have died. Unlike his father, he fought the protagonist at his full power, and was defeated even after becoming even stronger.

[@s8theninjawarrior916]

AstralMuffin105 but you are obligated to kill the Nameless King to get Orstein's set !!! LOL

[@s8theninjawarrior916]

BigBlueRed 26 but he still died for absolutely nothing !!! Yes he dies with a last good fight, but for nothing... which is pretty sad in my opinion !!

[@AstralMuffin105]

Yeah, and I only did it once and felt bad about it. He was a worthy foe though, I had to summon help to beat him.

[@lordofinnistrad8757]

I’m so glad you mentioned the theory that Faraam is the Nameless King’s true name. It makes the most sense out of the theories that I’ve heard

[@Serafina_]

I don't know about you, but I've always believed that the nameless king betrayed his family because he knows that what his father did to the dragon was unjust, that's just my opinion. To me, dragons are not the "real" bad guys and never will be. The way of the dragon is an honorable and brave way. By the way, I love your videos, they are so detailed and accurate, and then you translated my mother tongue :) it's just great.

[@wadaessam3744]

If you look at the nameless king blade (after defeating his dragon) you will notice that it's shaking before he killed it. Animation mistake or something deeper?

[@AstralMuffin105]

I think that was meant to show us that the Nameless King, even though he's long since Hollowed out, still felt some semblance of kinship for his trusty steed and didn't want to kill it, but did so to gain the strength to avenge it, to make the Ashen One pay for stepping foot into their sanctuary.

[@Silas-Inservio-Pax]

Night Light 94 nice observation and answer

[@allanon64king10]

Also notice the way he braces himself before hand on his dragons horn

[@Mepphy99]

Something deeper nameless King befriended his dragon and to use him for to power up makes “him” sad

[@saccure0128]

AstralMuffin105 the dragon was dying he just made it quick

[@VBandit47]

Vaati's alive! :O

[@vitato]

I know it's almost 3 years after this video was posted buuuuut I think Ornstein found Nameless King, and took his point of view about dragons, that's why he's cooperating with them in Dark Souls 2 (he drops Leo ring, which is "beloved ring of a dragon-slaying knight", and his soul says that he was mentioned in old legends, so he's someone important, not some random dude with similiar armor). Don't know what he was doing there, though. Also, when defeated, if we fallow to the balcony, there is a guy from Sentinels of Blue. His halberd says that there is "to others, the distinction between the two [good and evil] can be quite unclear" and that this knight was shepperd to a lost souls. So what if Ornstein found Nameless King, learned his point of view, and then got confused, cause he didn't knew what's right anymore. He was great dragonslayer with his, let's call it, friend, and now his friend is dragon's ally. I think he searched for answers, and that's how he found Targray. I know it's late conclusion and maybe someone already found this out, but I'd like to share my thoughts. Btw love your whole work with DS lore.

[@addahiatarot]

Man, you are an spectacular story teller. I have never played this games since i do not own pc nor console but i have watched al your bloodborne vids and now am going through the souls vids and i am fascinated. It feels like reading a novel, a deep, profound, philosofical and poetic novel. Thanks a lot for your work!

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

The Nameless King's hand trembling in that cut-scene gets me every time.

[@cthulhuisgamer373]

You mean the mercy kill of the drake

[@Werkvuur]

No nut november was going great... ...until I saw Gwynevere's great chest.

[@flup1303]

another man has fallen to Gwynevere

[@toxic_unknown6969]

Loaf "The Hardscoper" Bloke dude same but it's not November anymore 😂

[@clintonwatson1295]

Lol! Nailed it

[@darkestwolf6640]

Naaa I don't like gywnavere I like a other dark souls character that I'm hoping she's in the remastered

[@ikasuki1]

Well she is an illusion so... thooses humongus things are a lie (or a wet dream of her brother... who knows?)

[@Crowborn]

That ending still gives me goosebumps, best editing in this entire channel

[@thedragonking1216]

Just the way you format your videos makes everything better, and your voice is perfect for what you do.

[@Volthoom]

So, basically, Nameless King was a massive badass that inspired some true fucking loalty. And we killed him. Fuck it, he's optional and i'm skipping his fight in the next run, he deserves to rule the world after the age of fire ends.

[@adeade3978]

Sulfur don't worry, if you don't kill him Gael will have a nameless king feast

[@xnikolasbs2230]

Not sure dude, the Nameless king is apparently so powerful the sun always shines when he is around. The age of dark may have almost covered everything in Lothric by the time you kill the Princes but Archdragon peak will still be as it was. Gael with the entirety of the dark souls could beat him I suppose but I am not sure.

[@BansheeKing22]

As the Lord of Hollows I would accept the nameless king as an ally. We'll set up trade agreements, visit each others kingdoms for gatherings and shows of good faith in our continued alliance, set up arranged marriages between our children who will grow up together as kids and friends first so it's not entirely against their wills. Well will also fight many a war side by side as allies and crush all who oppose us.

[@Shad0wCK]

Where the hell is Prepare to Cry Slave Knight Gael? *Spoilers* He sacrificed himself to create the pigment of the Dark Soul for the Painter Girl. Gael's consumption of the Dark Soul was motivated by a necessity for the creation of a pigment. He wanted a better world for everyone. He is the hero we don't deserve. He is literally one of my favorite characters in the entire series...

[@raven1579]

QUEENDOM the dark soul is in every human being that was created from the darksign when Gwyn sacrificed himself to restore the age of fire. If he got the dark soul blood then that would be the blood that was from the darksign which would allow him the painter girl to create an entirely new world thats peaceful and nice without the darksign or dragons

[@Lexender]

OGRaven Wolf2 The dark soul wasn't created by Gwyn, the dark souls was the Lord Soul found by the furtive pygmy, every human has fragment of it as every human is a descendant of the pygmy. All Gael did was gather every piece of the Dark Soul by killing every human.

[@amscarpi]

ShadowCK he slaughtered the ancestors of humanity in rage, so more like prepare to sentence him to eternal torture

[@user-bx9ri2qv3y]

Amscarpi Not out of rage. He ate them to devour the dried up blood of the dark soul, so he could use his own blood as the pigment for the painting.

[@themrcrow2901]

Ya mean other than Solaire? lol

[@nixionchang3966]

Theory: Ornstein actually the storm drake. (Explanation) Lighting = storm and in order to turn into a dragon you must take off your armor. And all of it is just a fun guess. Edit: Also the Nameless king stabs the head of the dragon to gain a lightning buff which Smough did as well, but one problem is, is that The storm drake breathes fire instead of lightning.

[@skipper7055]

imagine getting killed by your duo companion twice

[@nixionchang3966]

Pickle Skipper oh yeah lol

[@temporaneo617]

There's also some moments in the ost when you fight the storm king that vaguely sounds like the ost during ornsteins and smough's fight

[@icelordotis]

At least this time, the nameless king seemed to show his respect to Ornstein before killing him for more power. This also helps me accept that smough would so quickly kill the still moving Ornstein in DS1, because that one would’ve just been one of Gwendolin’s many illusions

[@jada90]

The most amazing thing about these games is that I love them all even though I have no idea what's going on. I figured Miyazaki's style was leaving tidbits here and there, to flavor the world and leave us speculating about what could be. So I figure, "the Nameless King is a cool boss fight; I wonder what he's all about" and then watch your videos and realize there is a huge, well-constructed plot beneath it all. I have no idea how you constructed the timelines and all this information, but mad props, these videos are so entertaining. I almost wish I watched them before playing, so I could appreciate the weight of my actions on the story more.

[@DJSummers101]

I liked this video really do 150% I just feel there is 2 things that is off or not actually given about this however. 1.I don't think Havel was just a Single knight,I believe that Havel was Infact the first person to have the armor,shield,and weapon to fight off dragons. and within that more and more people joined in causing a bunch of others to become Havel Knights. This would sort of make sense to why we find Havel armor and or Havel Knights in such places. 2.I'm quite surprised you didn't bring up that the Nameless king id the Founder of the Sunlight Warriors which could speculate to being that his inclusion in Dark Souls 3 is what lead to Sunlight Warriors being even CAPABLE of invading other worlds. This would add on as through 1 and 2 we had all assumed it was Solaire and Sunlight Warriors during that time were just a cooping covenant.

[@NK-ik4ci]

I don't think Havel was just a Single knight,I believe that Havel was Infact the first person to have the armor,shield,and weapon to fight off dragons. and within that more and more people joined in causing a bunch of others to become Havel Monsters.

[@IJustAteYourGrapesBro]

Maybe that's because VaatiVidya deals far less in speculation than you do. And when he does, he makes very sure to say so. This is why his videos are so good. His lore is easy to follow because he doesn't assume massive leaps like this, even if there is some evidence suggesting it. Some evidence is not the same thing as IS. Vaati knows this, you don't. That's why he's sitting on over a million subs.

[@Loominaty]

Bishop Havel ^^ The man that hated magic so much he created this armor against his nemesis seath - ^^ What you are up to is the description from havels Set later in the series

[@MrMhtmht]

Dragons + Heide + Nameless King are the true rulers. Gwyn hated dragons and humans, Vendrick had good intentions but ended up being corrupted by Nashandra. Aldia and Ornstein are true heroes (and Velstadt for his loyalty of course). Long live Heide and the ancient dragons! Can't decide between Way of Blue/Blue sentinels and Sunbros.

[@menkaragamble8175]

Anybody else wince for the end scene where he jumped attack right into the boss attack?

[@luxrion5179]

at first I checked you out because of mossbag and now I'm loving your dark souls videos

[@noraomne8739]

9:46 “It was only a matter of time until Gwyn’s Age of Fire would burn down to ash. And dragons have both time, and patience, in abundance.”

[@urialmazan9822]

Another excelent video.

[@A7OldRscplayer]

Oh you've watched the whole thing?

[@NerdOracle]

i call bs

[@Uursll]

Preach Sir!!!!

[@slawking8048]

Glad to see you in my notifications again Vaati.

[@patchzeigler6562]

I love how they put little details in their games.

[@Nazo-kage]

9:04 there is another connection of one who wanted to destroy all dragons and yet allied with one; Gwen himself and Seth the scaleless. Because if it was not for his help and Gwen would not have had the ability to ultimately defeat the ancient dragons

[@creecher1118]

You are my favorite provider of Soulsborne content. Please do more Bloodborne when you get the chance!

[@StolenSpoon2]

Hope we can get a vid about Lady Maria soon lol

[@valentinpavlov8082]

My favourite souls lore master is plague of gripes

[@StolenSpoon2]

No, I'm talking about Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower in bloodborne. Vaati said he would do a prepare to cry on her but hasn't yet. However i welcome any new video vaati makes

[@tasin2776]

There's still so much to bloodborne that vaati hasn't covered

[@ann7060]

Haven't clicked on a video so fast in a while

[@sage6764]

Andorra same

[@masa5300]

Dizomic Dude hasn't even spelled Vaati's name properly lol

[@michaelperez8785]

same i think i broke my mouse lol

[@s.irwinfan6446]

But Gywnevere isn't in the thumbnail

[@palkinator]

I don't even remember what I was turning my computer on to do. Probably nothing nearly as important as watching this video

[@HeavyPilot83]

Well done, good sir! Great narration, great voice, great background music, and great game clips!

[@steinfliege9912]

Your way of telling stories is so beautiful i adore listening to it

[@tpa7640]

The finishing of this story is just fu**ing amazing, you're absolutly the best lore investigator of all youtube, you deserve my like

[@spiralhaze2070]

Yeah but, how does Edwad feature into all of this?

[@8jesusramirez9]

Edwad is the Furtive Pygmy.

[@namelesso.g484]

0_0 (having some ancient war against the dragon's flashback)

[@franknoriega6246]

Use cars

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO'S REFERENCE?

[@gunjeebus3453]

UnsungHeroRising no

[@Jinseng]

You are one of the best story tellers I’ve ever heard god damn good work

[@dinocha0s]

That ending tho....pretty epic and *respect* at how much effort you put into this~~

[@zeca1421]

What about Yorshka? She says Gwyndolin and Gwynevere are her siblings

[@ArkhanTheMack]

I know I'm super late, but I feel like it's more likely that Yorshka shares the same mother with one or more of Gwyn's children rather than being a daughter of Gwyn.

[@ekopermana7150]

Yorshka is gwyn adopted daughter, she was a product of gwyn's experiment toward dragon and dragon birth. But, gwyndolin is very nice with her (based on yorshka story), and somehow manage to make yorshka got a place in royal family

[@terminidwithinternetaccess]

Ornstien is one of my favourite characters in the entire soulsborne series, along with gherman and the nameless king. Ornstien seems like such a noble and admirable character.

[@adorablecenturion8436]

Gwyn's 4 Knights are the only people I'll ever feel guilty about hurting *Also Sif. And Gael. But well, you kill Gael to make a new painting that'll be better to live in than the real world, sooooo it's a good thing.*

[@theberserkerarmor6511]

ツAdorable Centurion What about the Ivory King?

[@danielreilly7904]

I only recently got into playing Dark Souls and I'm absolutely blown away by the lore behind these games. This video is very interesting and well put together, well done!

[@vencelfoldi8236]

Backstories like this give boss fights a whole new meaning on top of their sheer difficulty.

[@benh8457]

Ahhh I’ve missed these videos

[@redtitancinema429]

I seriously felt like I was back in preschool sitting in a circle with my friends at story time this piece is well put together the ending took the cake my eyes where are watering as the ending came to a close as the two Warriors Clash..... beautiful💯💯

[@andrewproffer4934]

Now that was a good video. You take a simple video on lore and turn it into art. Awesome man.

[@retryhikaru184]

This video is easily perfect. I really enjoyed this while you connected the dots between all the things I respect the Dark Souls series for the most.

[@Suhaibhh]

Damn i cant wait for the next souls game hope we get some more info about the nameless king

[@allahnigga4434]

Lauxe you're gonna be waiting a very long time

[@mattmurdog4686]

Allah Nigga thought they were done with Souls.

[@v616sirius]

Hate to break it to ya

[@uptonogoodashe7764]

Dark Souls is over most likely over after the ending with the fire keeper were you let the fire fade. I think thats the end of it and they will move on to a new IP or a sequel to BB

[@mattmurdog4686]

There might be another Bloodborne at E3. Hopefully

[@Tetsujinsei]

Like Destiny, Dark Souls has a good amount of people telling the lore of the Dark Souls universe. However, unlike Destiny, Dark Souls is an interesting game with a lot of substance.

[@biguwu2599]

Sad but true

[@alut-c-f3883]

SageK Yes, so much yes...

[@soulsborne8292]

SageK Unlike destiny the dark souls serie is a legend,that never dies, DS2 too.

[@writingaccount6399]

SageK the shade 😎

[@TheRezro]

Especially after they cut core twist from Destiny. Traveler was evil!

[@recordingstudiotech]

This is a very well put together video, must have taken a long time, hope people appreciate the amount of effort this must have taken.

[@rolandshorter1515]

I must say, with your tellings of the stories of the souls of all the soul series, you have granted me importance. This is what I live by. The trials and tribulations of everyone grasped by souls, you have given me meaning. I thank you, and take the meaning to heart. I will continue to live my life by the souls that have passed before me. Thank You.

[@donali1792]

I wish VaatiVidya was my history teacher

[@ingonyama70]

Wouldn't be able to concentrate on the info, I'd be too relaxed/aroused.