£50 for an Indian meal for one - Really?

[@DarrenJohn]

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[@alanbrown6628]

Another great vid DJ

[@angelagraham9533]

If you enjoyed it why not? You deserve a treat once in a while ,you work hard enough for your money.

[@chrisphallheatlover9848]

Great to see you back in the Indian's darren, Very expensive though only bad thing about London. Great vid mate.

[@thegrantcooley]

Hi Darren , great vlog as always. £50 is a bit steep but it looked fantastic. Have you tried the Goodwhich pan-asian restaurant down New Row by Covent Garden? Extremely tasty curries and bao-buns , we had their signature katsu masala. Thoroughly recommend, reasonably priced aswell. OTC 👍🍽

[@ronwall5429]

Yes I agree that £51 fir that lunch is far too expensive

[@darrengrimmer8541]

Lovely Darren… Chicken tikka jalfrezie.. my favourite dish!!!. Nice heat but lots of flavour

[@clubdechick]

Great vid as usual darren . what is the name of the music thats playing while you are eating.

[@Raylufc]

Hello Darren, We took a few of your recommendations, and they were good recommendations. The curry hut The golden plaice but the best one was City spice by a country mile. I paid about 70 quid for the both of us with popadoms for two 3 pints of beer, a shared starter, and 2 mains. Now, the quality was fantastic we have been back 3 times since but 50 quid for one person no not me

[@michaeldennis6724]

Lovely music, You've played that before, what is it and who is it by? Great video Darren, yes 50 quid is a bit steep but there was enough grub for two people so eat, drink and be merry!

[@ralphthebulldog5163]

Darren, have you tried Ping Pong St Katherine's dock? it's delicious mate! well... if you like Dim Sum

[@sharonchapman5948]

I can't afford £51 dj..but looks fantastic...I can only dream 😢

[@FART-REPELLENT]

How much would you be willing to pay for a Smoked Barbecued and Chargrilled Fart-Kebab?

[@stevenpason3758]

Outrageous

[@AlVlogs1603]

Its all relative DJ £50 is a lot for lunch but then again if you feel as though the value is there because its exceptional then you say for what you get.Anything with a Kingfisher is good by me

[@CARPY77]

I think you should go and do a price comparison with a couple of other restaurants 👍🏼

[@Jay-Leigh]

This is a tough one regarding the price, I have to say the food look superb and you certainly let us know the quality was of a very high standard. Would I have paid £51? I would have preferred £40 tops. So I guess that’s one to swerve in the future Darren. But I must say an amazing Vlog just rather expensive for you 😞 Isn’t it funny how people get interested in the right hand left hand “thing?” I’ve been called south paw, cack handed and all sorts in my time, funny thing is… as a left hander I put the folk in my left hand, obviously! So it makes perfect sense as a right handed person you’d put the folk in your right hand. Anyway, Shukriya 🙏🏻 ❤

[@peterdnreynolds777]

Wow, the food looked amazing!! Hope all is well and hope you have a good bank holiday weekend and happy Easter

[@davidgreen6848]

I used to go to my favourite Italian restaurant in North Kent for lunch and evening meals when I was working. I'm retired now and have hardly been there post Covid and during the cost of living crisis. I went back recently, had lunch and like you had a fit when I got the bill! 70% + more than I used to pay. I can just about afford Subway now! Sad, but I'm being priced out of all the things I used to enjoy!

[@georgenathaniel324]

Looked really nice DJ I am a oap in Canada that's 86$cdn, little rich for me down my local pub I could get four dinners including pints

[@Glyn001]

You get what you pay for ? Excellent 👍👍👍

[@sarahjones7383]

Hi DJ another great vlog, food looked amazing yet again and has really made me hungry. I eat the same way as you with my fork in my right hand I have tried having my fork in my left but most of my meal went across the table. I also write with my right hand and it's definitely my prominent hand. All the best and look forward to the next vlog x

[@violetlilly9644]

It did look lovely and fresh to be fair. Though £50 is expensive even in London, at least you know that the food is great, you could easily pay £40 and be disappointed! ❤️

[@martinmcgrath1985]

Darren all you can eat is nothing to rave about let’s be serious!

[@Healthierthanyesterday_forever]

All these foods costs hardly 10£ here in india in tier 3 city,I lives in ranchi,state of jharkhand in india 🇮🇳

[@Healthierthanyesterday_forever]

And from a good restaurant

[@martinmcgrath1985]

Daylight robbery..but sure it was lovely.

[@corrinaastley6044]

The one thing I love about Indian restaurants, apart from the food is they still use tablecloths. They take pride in their place and in the food. £51 is a lot of money especially at the moment for 1 person but you do get what you pay for. If the food is that good I don’t mind paying that but it would normally only be for a special occasion. On the flip side if I fancied a Indian I begrudge paying less to get a cheaper Indian if it does not taste good. Great vlog

[@chrisdowning7543]

Hi Darron, yes I totally totally get you. Eating out is ever so nice. Lunch or dinner. I do strongly believe that restaurants, hotels and the whole hospitality industry are really playing the back end of covid AND this nonsense of the new cost of living crisis! I totally think as you say a casual lunch on your own should simply not cast that amount. You are fighting a losing battle I’m afraid with restaurants now as they ever so sadly will rip you off.😢😢

[@ryanhorow4590]

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[@Mickman007]

I'm the same, right handed and use my fork to eat with my right hand, glad to hear I'm not the only one Darren 👍👍😄

[@clarea1801]

I'm the same, my mum says I'm cack handed but I know I'm special 🤣🤣

[@shanewilliams3453]

Hi Darren the food looked delicious another great video thanks mate happy Easter Shane in Sydney 🦘🇦🇺

[@darrengrant780]

Great vidéo as always just à stupid question were the prices not marked on the menu when you ordered ? As that would of given you à clue of how much you were going to pay or is there extra chargés you did not know about stay safe mr John

[@andybrooks7908]

Fantastic video again darren food looked great but as u said that price tag was definitely 15 to 20 pounds to much

[@MattWilliams482]

Food looks great but agree bit pricey, then it is central London! Have a great Easter Bank Holiday weekend Darren 👍

[@stevesirkett4310]

I love a ruby like your good self, but £50 is lumpy, I feel. Yes, the food is, as you say amazing, City of London prices as well. I think you could get a similar meal for a more reasonable price elsewhere, but it's been a while since I last lunched in the City. Great vlog's Darren, so addictive, keep up the good work.

[@alfredhanley1691]

Darren that looks,s Marvelous mmm..Alf..enjoy

[@lindsaygedling4979]

Mad prices, that is expensive Dazza J 😮😂

[@bobharriss416]

Hi Darren, plays the electric guitar music on your videos.? Cheers Bob H.

[@eagle9665]

Now that is to die for Indian! I could lick the plate right now. That is a star quality meal and worth the money. Regards..USA!

[@mark120964]

Hi Darren love your vids, thought 30 quid would of been good, it was expensive Mark

[@AlexCordiner]

I was in London a few days ago for a city break with family. I made a special visit to City Spice based on yours and Macmaster's videos and was pretty disappointed. They only changed the table cloth when I insisted, food was mediocre and service was pretty poor. Perhaps I have been spoiled by the quality of Indian restaurants in Jersey but give me a shout if you're ever over here and I will take you to a good one. On balance however, I will let you off as I visited Pellici's last year with my daughter which was 11/10 and The Regency Cafe a couple of days ago which was a solid 9!! Cheers

[@DarrenJohn]

Regency is a great cafe

[@AlexCordiner]

@@DarrenJohn certainly is, also wanted to take my wife and son to Pellicis having been there with my daughter last year but unfortunately closed over Easter. Next time! Keep up the good work

[@sparkymarky9883]

Hi there, another great video like always the food did look really good I do agree that it is a bit expensive £51 for one person that seems quite expensive to me but the food looked really nice. Like I say to you all the time I do enjoy watching your videos and when we do come over London, I will ask you some good spots to try and do some videos. Keep up the good work

[@DarrenJohn]

Thanks for watching!

[@jasonpetch9403]

Food looked really good DJ. fantastic place. Good to see you as always.....hope you enjoy your Easter weekend. Looked good value for what you had....in central London. Like you say....it's all about the quality.

[@leebarrett9581]

I’m pretty sure the brick lane boys would be shaking their heads!!!!

[@karlbalshaw9127]

Looks great, I too am right handed but eat *left* , used to live in Southall, but favorite was a place in Harrow, which does Rocket Naan, I love to go specials as they can be amazing over menu items.. 🙂, or Clay Oven Ealing Broadway!

[@chrisaris8756]

Must admit, I thought you’d had a dupiaza first off. Don’t think the £51 was too bad for London after all there was pappad, starter, main, what looked like palak (sag!) aloo, rice, naan and a big Kingfisher. That’s ok - I paid that much for a similar meal in Dublin about 7 years ago.Just booked our trip to Delhi and Kolkata in October - shall we bring you something back??? Cheers have a good Easter mate.

[@chriscoughlan5221]

Kolkata?

[@MingsFishingAdventures]

My go to dish is a chicken tikka jalfrezi, cant beat the balance of heat and flavour👌 Looked amazing but as a tight Yorkshireman I would have fallen over at 51.95 for 1 person. 25-30 maybe. Love the honesty & integrity with your reviews though its refreshing.

[@cdeldn2012]

You need to try Needoo in Whitechapel, best curry in The East End and also BYOB!

[@petermaher7182]

I think that although the food was excellent I thought about £30

[@andybiddle3034]

What was the big building at start please,great video,again thank you.🎉

[@keithfenwick5502]

At the top of Brick lane across the road on the other side of the building there’s a two level Indian restaurant, on a small one way street I can’t remember the name, I worked on a photo shoot outside a few years ago, there’s four of these restaurant’s in London… please do try to find this amazing experience…. and it will not cost you £51 , in the evening there can be queues up to 50 people deep 🍀👍🙏 great show as always thanks

[@julianboon996]

Hi Darren, £51 for one person lunch seems pricey however as you say you had starters, sides and a beer so it all adds up and the City is rarely cheap in any restaurant. We did follow one of your recommendations and when to The India. I think we had the fixed price lunch for myself and the Mrs and that came out at around £55 for both of us. I'd like to try the Rajasthan but they don't seem to offer set price lunch, perhaps they should consider it.

[@sandradowling4605]

Wonderful..a must try. At a top place we usually work it out to about £50 per person. We like Poppadoms with the onions and chuckney, i love Chicken Tikka Jalfrazi..onion rice. My partner always goes for Chicken Tikka Massala. Though i am partial to king prawns.

[@mattandrew4614]

Very Nice Darren... I'ts making my mouth water...

[@nige3801]

Love your content and the way you present it to us, looks great DJ Ps..have picked up on your saag aloo side dish, so good, have had it a couple of times from my local restaurant/takeaway

[@AlexSmithy36]

Most of these "Indian" restaurants are actually Bangladeshi/Bengali so you'd get their spices and flavours thrown into your food but if you want a more authentic experience and way cheaper food not skimping on the quality then venture to West London areas such as Wembley, Harrow, Southall or Hounslow.

[@DarrenJohn]

It's the plan

[@angierobinson5570]

Far too expensive for lunch 😳 but looked good DJ 👍🏻

[@hargravegas]

I love the Rajastan’s (the original you went to, plus II & III all relatively close together). I always have Jalfrezi! Just heard you mention the other two whilst typing, the original I think is still the best of the 3!

[@colinrattray816]

I personally would struggle to justify that price up here in Tayside, I imagine you may pay close to that in Edinburgh or Glasgow, but if I’m in my favourite Indian where I live I reckon I’d be around £35-£40 for all that lunchtime or evening!

[@rickydavey5666]

A tab bit expensive for me that Darren, keep up the cracking vlogs mate👍

[@dennismanning7691]

I'm right handed and do exactly the same mate

[@johnbarbour7749]

the food and your response was off the charts, if i was hit with a bill like that i would have to do a runner, in my days of working the emplyees that worked in London got an allowance, i take it much hasnt changed, if you want to eat there you have to pay for the name that is serving you, in all fairness costs have soared and if these people want to stay in business the money has to come from somewhere, thanks for the vid.

[@AllanNeaves-qn3zr]

The food and the restaurant looked great. The crisp clean table linen. The food a tadge over garnished for my taste,but that said it made my mouth water.But the price made my eyes water! If you look you can still find "cheap eats" However if the food is Off the Charts, and the meal makes you happy,it was worth it. I used to say don't look at the right side of the menu,today it's a must for most people. Eating out is a treat,be it your local cafe or a 5 star restaurant or hotel .Enjoy a meal with family or friends ,even a solo trip and a snack can kick start any day.

[@gavinbiard3745]

I’d expect to pay £15 main dish, £5 for each sides and probably £6 for the beer. £40 tops even if in the heart of London. But at least in didn’t disappoint. Great content as always Darren

[@mikewilliams4499]

Gavin you forgot the starter and the cheese naan. First one was around 15 pounds, naan was £3.40 then there is VAT, service charges. Sides were 5.40£ per side.

[@leemc5646]

Lamb Tikka £7.40 Rice £6.80 Saag Aloo £6.80 Jalfrezi £14.90 Cheese naan £4.20 £40.10 Poppadum's £? Beer £? Service charge ?

[@gavinbiard3745]

@@leemc5646 oh well it looked the nuts anyway 👍

[@willshearer7028]

Great vlog as always 👍🏻 The dishes that you have reviewed at Rajasthan always look good and yes I bet the taste is sensational, but £51.95 for a late lunch and only one drink, sorry but for me the price is too excessive . Would gladly pay the price on an evening with friends and family though. As always ❤✌🏻

[@We.are.determined]

I visited on your previous recommendation - food was very oily staff were not very good and a bit overpriced. Cinnamon Tree Exmouth market ec1r is a bit better and a bit cheaper with really lovely staff.

[@carlwragg434]

Cracking food Darren, even if I could afford that I morally wouldn’t pay it even in London for lunch evening meal special celebration possibly. For lunch I would have had a curry you posted some time back from that small Indian curry street vendor that looked quality for a good price

[@therestaurantguru1961]

3.5 on Tripadvisor, says it all DJ I know you are a fan but I would only pay that amount for a Michelin-starred Indian.

[@francishudson3974]

I think I would need oxygen after being presented with a bill for £51 for lunch no matter how good the food was.

[@nevillechant27]

Food looked lovely but agree that’s expensive but everything has gone up so much , Tesco want £7.75 for 30 Birds Eye fish fingers

[@kenblackman128]

London prices, they have higher overheads(so I'm told), but still expensive in my mind. Not my sort of food though

[@dannygeorge7909]

It all looked tasty….a tad pricey and the starter was a bit on the tight side!!

[@ThePensta81]

The food did look amazing (as I assumed it would going off your previous visits). As for value for money, the most I've spent on myself for a meal has been around the £60-70 but that has been for the fancy all you can eat buffet or an afternoon tea here in Melbourne and both have been amazing and completely worth it in my opinion. If I'm ordering set dishes off a menu I'd expect to spend around £50 for 2 x people (give or take) but London may be very different to Melbourne.

[@DarrenJohn]

I think the world are having to increase...... everything

[@hwallen9316]

I am in regional Vic but had a quick look at a central Melb Indian (Gourmet Curry Hut, Little Collins). Appetizer, main curry, rice, bread and a beer AUD$58 which is around 26 GBP. I love visiting London but really wonder how people on minimum wage survive there.

[@johnwallis96]

Great food so it seems from your video ,good has it looks and i know how much you like your various taste's . Still expensive by London prices

[@andywrong3247]

Hi Darren, unless my eye sight is getting better or I've upgraded my mobile phone. Which I haven't your picture quality was best I've seen it. Now the food not to fussed with large tortilla crisps for pre starter, the starter woeful 4peices of lamb. Mains seemed OK. I wondered if they serve a garlic & cheese nan. I'm not disputing it wasn't off the charts but £52 for lunch with no dessert was a bit extravagant. You could of vlogged in the savoy. In a cost of living crisis you maybe alienating your core subscribers I appreciate your search for top quality services & products but I won't be trying here, maybe one weeks worth of street food & still get change from a £50 spot. That's right Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. That was a full day's wage in the north not that long ago.

[@milsteadonmovies]

Do you ever come out to West London? Lots of great places here for you to discover

[@DarrenJohn]

I try to get around

[@annemarieelton2069]

Another great Indian restaurant Presentation looked amazing & again food heaven for you going by your expression 😋but seems bit too spicy for my taste buds lol🌶️ TBH think it was overpriced which would be the only negative Great vlog as always xx👍👍

[@janw1746]

We're you buying a meal or shares in the restaurant 😮

[@geosmith3436]

Good looking food but they need to tighten up on the prices- that’s a bit too rich for me at lunchtime.

[@nigelspencer6030]

2 x Rajistan Lunches = 1 x Storm Watch You make your mind up DJ..

[@cliffboulton8763]

Not for me I'm afraid but it did look amazing and colourful. £50 is way out of my price range but if one can afford it, go for it.

[@Happyheart146]

Right next to the Tower, with a drink. Too right I'd pay for that! It looked bleeding lovely!!

[@nandptravels3757]

Hey DJ , don't think £51 is out of the park , ushered in leeds you can pay £40 for garbage!! Was there a 10% tip with this , keep up the good work 😊

[@butterflydiva1]

No we don't get what we always pay for ... But I believe we should all have a treat. The curry looked sooo delicious dimples xx

[@davidnm21]

Amazing looking food and top quality too DJ. It’s most likely £51 well spent and as they say quality not quantity. I do love a good curry and jalfrezi is one of my favourites. Top quality vlog too Darren.

[@angelahardy6217]

Brill as always darren

[@anneperry9014]

Oh my word. Looks amazing and my mouths watering. My fave naan is a keema 😋

[@mephisto00100]

Alright D gotta be honest that's a bit much as its not exactly the Cinnamon Club or Benares!!! As we know you like chinese food..... round the corner from Tower Hill is Murgerhan (look them up on here the 12 ft noodle :0.......they are banging and cheap too got a couple a places in london now but really give them a go....Phillpot Lane....As for £51 for lunch I really dont care what I pay if its worth it and the service produce and execution are spot on... Its was my Bday Monday just got in from lunch and mine come to £148 BUUUUTTTT it was fresh shellfish, truffle and caviar on some of my dishes and obvs the drinks rack it up!!! Plus it was Mayfair so I knew what i was getting into.....was it worth it ???? FFFFF Yeah had a lovely time great company and food at Saltie Girl was amazing so yes all day long if you enjoyed it!

[@anderson-coletheresa4453]

❤❤❤❤This Indian spot looks very good and clean and the food looks off the charts WOW. If it is really good and your enjoying it then I would pay any amount to treat myself. thanks for sharing DJ😊😊😊

[@CS5663-z5q]

🤔 bit pricey 💷, but pleased you enjoyed the food .x

[@daveyeddie8176]

Well summed up Darren, quality food, heavy duty prices, special occasion job for me, but 10 for the grub, looked delicious.

[@DarrenJohn]

🙏🏼👍🏼

[@edwardjones7065]

Well Darren, we went to Dishoom in Manchester. Just had 2 mains, no starter etc and only two beers. Mutton curry fantastic. £68. So no problem, you get what you pay for. That was for you a good deal in comparison to the suburbs.

[@pauljennings8432]

There are tow dishes that I really like at the moment and please consider trying them if or when you can, they are a Pattia and Laal Mass and btw a Jalfrezi is very nice!

[@andrewgalt3964]

Another amazing video food review dishes looked delicious but would struggle to justify paying so much for a lunch shows the true value of your recent street food reviews 👍❤

[@ianm2170]

The food looked delightful, the price was absurd. I taught in India from 1984 to 1991, and had incredible culinary experiences. The inevitable pappadum and dip nonsense is bizarre; it's found in very few areas of the country, yet now it seems to be compulsory in most of the UK.

[@858493]

And here Down Under in Ozz..yep agree

[@mikewilliams4499]

Not sure you can compare prices in India 30 years ago to London prices today

[@ianm2170]

@@mikewilliams4499 Well, I wasn't doing that Mike! The comparison to India was in reference to the now ubiquitous pappadum and pickle combo in the UK, today.

[@felixcornelius2577]

Always wondered about how and why and when pluppadumms entered into the menus of British curry houses , Iove them especially if some thought has gone into making the dippages more exciting and original, must be similar how chicken tikka masala was invented, my first wife was of Pakistani origin her mum an excellent cook of Lahori cuisine and never once saw pluppadumms (sic on purpose) served by her

[@nige3801]

@@felixcornelius2577 I had my first Indian curry in Manchester with my dad, 1971 and yes, poppadoms and dips!

[@charlespatterson6037]

Good video. Thank you. £51.95 is pretty steep, considering the majority are on minimum wage and/or benefits. However, it is all relative. If the basic ingredients were purchased and cooked at home, accounting for time, it probably wouldn’t be too different to cook for one. I guess wholesale foodstuff has risen in line with supermarkets and many items have doubled over the last couple of years. £4.50 for Heinz Ketchup. £9.95 for a jar of instant coffee and over £5 for 500g of Lurpak spreadable ‘butter’

[@kizzyfarrell6156]

Good point not to mention gas and electricity Hard times if you on budget But the saying The rich get rich the poor get poorer 52 pound a week shopping for me

[@hwallen9316]

@@kizzyfarrell6156 Yep,I am ex UK and live in Australia and although we are (as yet) not doing it as tough as the UK, 52 quid (AUD$104) in Aldi here can look after me for several days and I don't mean beans on toast. When I visited UK last Sept/Oct I noticed that people on zero hours contract/minimum wage are struggling to survive; I say survive and not live. I love Darren's videos but I do feel that this one ..in the current situation..lacked a little community awareness.

[@patrice58]

@@hwallen9316 I would disagree as he didn't know he would be charged that much for a meal, give the guy a break.

[@hwallen9316]

It was not live. He edited it and put it up. I love his videos as I said and it was my 2 cents worth...no need to go to war...we have enough to deal with. I started watching the channel when it was pie&mash and fish&chips; a good hearty cheap feed and some sights and history of London with nice music.

[@patrice58]

@@hwallen9316 No war here, remember in a sit down restaurant you often don't know the price of the final cost of your meal until you receive the bill at the end. I could see he looked shook in the conclusion part of his video. It's not funny but I can still see his face in my minds eye wondering what did I do to deserve this? 🤣

[@johnlocke5265]

Yes London prices mate 😂 For me such a lunch is perhaps £40.00 max

[@flyinghedgehog3833]

I eat at Nasi Kandar restaurants in Kuala Lumpur often..normally around GBP 2-3 for rice + 2 sides + either beef/lamb/chicken/fish + 3 or more curries + poppadoms+ drink. ..impossible to exceed 5 quid !There are a couple places in London I heard ..I guess also a tad more $$$ ....City boys around there on 100K ++ take their clients there on expenses.

[@alvinryan2694]

That Was top dollar but I had one on the royal Mile in Edinburgh price was about the same

[@mikehandy6625]

Oh crumbs 😮 seems a little steep the bill for one person eeekkkk love the videos Darren keep them coming

[@junemccann5981]

Hi Darren. Always appreciate all the fab information re London. Food looked lovely. Most places are more expensive now. I'd probs say £40 I could swallow for one but if my son's paying when I come over I'll try it lol!! 😂 Have a lovely Easter weekend. 🥰🌞🥰Xxx

[@DarrenJohn]

🙏🏼👍🏼

[@johndonnelly597]

I do be about in London if i see you Darren I will say Hello and buy you breakfast /Lunch or a coffee i enjoy your KZbin channel its very laid back a good watch away from the noise and racket you get on most youtube channels. Well Done👏

[@DarrenJohn]

Very kind John, thank you

[@johndonnelly597]

The bill for the Indian meal was a lot for one customer but the meal is 1st class. In the city of London there are establishments who are there for people who want to pay for the service. The price alone keeps the riff faff away a bit harsh but true.

[@bobharriss416]

Very expensive Darren,But if it’s quality then its up to you to decide beforehand. At least you know what to expect next time you fancy going. Keep up the fantastic content mate,cheers, Bob H

[@EvilSie]

Food looked amazing. But I was shocked at the cost. £51.95 would get us 2 meals in the North East.

[@daniellatheczarina2u915]

Sadly, I'd have to agree. Too expensive!