Darth Vader VS Obito (DEATH BATTLE!) Review

The ability to capitalise on modern relevant media is insignificant compared to the attractive pull of Star Wars and Naruto. Once upon a time people cried out for Anakin Skywalker and some guy named Tobi to throw hands and today Death Battle have delivered. But let's see whether I think they determined a masterclass, a failure, or something inbetween.
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[@danielferrieri7434]

The "You Are Liberated from Hell, Find Peace in the Next Life." Is such a BALLER Quote.

[@ivrydice0954]

Doesn't he game end his soul tho? Is next life possible?

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

@@ivrydice0954 no, it isn’t

[@GhostlyMoonWitch]

Such a cold line tbh

[@diegomeinie9472]

​@@TheUncivilizedNationLad om sorry Obito within character should atleast think his soul just got incinerated since those Truth Seaker Balls/ Orbs do just delete the soul like Minato. Sorry saying Balls instead of Orbs is just funny to my teenage brain.

[@dualwieldroxas358]

I think once your mind and soul are taken by Infinite Tsukiyomi, you remain there even after you die. Thus the "eternal paradise"

[@kuribohbrother]

I was kinda expecting Anakin to choke Padme and say “No. This is all that there is now.” Akin to one of the comics then Vader makes a comeback. Since Palpatine told Vader he killed her before so it’s just something he’s accepted. Like the point is that Luke is the only one who can bring him back to the light, so I don’t think the idea of Vader not wanting to break free from the illusion holds up entirely well when you take a deep dive into his character. Probably would’ve been more tragic and emotional if Obito attempted to give him that peace, but the dark side is too strong with its hold on Vader, so he has no choice but to end him with all his suffering following into the next life. Overall a great episode, despite my nerdy what if rewrite. Analysis kept me engaged and the battle was very spectacular.

[@VexytheWolf]

I kinda like you're version of the ending.

[@kinjorex101]

I like the headcanon that's been spreading in the DB community; even on the off chance that Vader's mental fortitude was strong enough to recognize the final visions were fake and shake off a planet-wide Infinite Tsukuyomi, it's perfectly in character that he just legitimately wouldn't want to leave. Anakin had been through so much pain and hurt, and he always tried to get back to his wife. Now that he got to see her again, to feel happy one more time before his demise... he had no reason to keep fighting

[@error-4269]

Are you kidding me? he would be pissed off severely.

[@SoulGizmo]

It'd be hilarious if he force choked her again

[@TimeyWimey.]

Honestly, I thought it would enrage him to the point the illusion broke and his forcepowers would multiply because of that. He is not the type of character who would allow attempted emotional manipulation go unpunished.

[@kinjorex101]

@@error-4269 I might be wrong, but I kinda think that’s why the first genjutsu failed. Obito initially did it as a taunt to remind Anakin of his actions, like Palpatine has done in the past, and that rage only fuelled Vader’s hatred, and subsequently, his power as well In contrast, the Tsukuyomi at the end of Anakin seeing what he wanted most in the world (and has attempted to bring about in the comics) was just preferable to what he had to deal with in the real world. Even if he could’ve escaped, it would have been at the cost of never being able to see the love of his life again, and in that moment he didn’t have it in him to make that compromise once more But again, just headcanon

[@error-4269]

@@kinjorex101 fair enough I guess

[@AmateurAnimations65]

I think a good way they could've had Infinite Tsukuyomi be the kill is to have Vader's life support shut off on him. They shat on the suit enough in the analysis, and Vader had his suit heavily damaged throughout the fight. You could have it where instead of Obito saying "Nevermind fuck you" and busting out the DNA sword, everything goes quiet as Vader's suit gradually beeps slower. Soon, it stops, and as Darth Vader's body collapses lifeless, we glimpse back into the illusion where Anakin is embracing Padme, happy for the first time in many years. Cutting back to reality, Obito nods as his enemy finally finds peace, maybe delivers that "You are liberated from Hell" line, and dips like he does after smushing Vader in the actual fight

[@michaelraymon111]

That is cringy. Vader deserves a gruesome death not the cringe you post

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

through the fouce he can live through it. it wouldn't finish him

[@michaelraymon111]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 yes it would

[@leafyishere383]

@@michaelraymon111no it wouldn’t. From one of the comics he had he’s suit remotely shut off (life support and all. And he moved purely on the force and making his lungs pump

[@michaelraymon111]

@@leafyishere383 don't care he deserved a gruesome death

[@socialaccount0000]

My only major complaint about this episode is: Why does Obito get both the Ten Tails AND The God Tree when *both* had massive prep time required to summon and it was never anything Obito or even Madara could just pop out of their pocket. Makes the fight look cooler, sure, and while I agree that the Infinite Tsukiyomi would at least distract Vader long enough for Obito to kill him, I find it odd that they even gave Obito said Tsukiyomi. Overall this episode is bittersweet like Nemesis says. The episode is entertaining and the fight itself is really cool, but my mind cant let go the fact that Vader should have done waayyyy better. I do like Nemesis' compromise of Vader resisting the Tsukiyomi, only for Anakin to resist and this internal struggle giving Obito enough time to finish him off. I think thats pretty fair.

[@SRVaris]

"Why does Obito get both the Ten Tails AND The God Tree when both had massive prep time required to summon and it was never anything Obito or even Madara could just pop out of their pocket. " Because after finally completing the Ten Tails they could summon it at any time they wanted.

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

​@@SRVarisYeah. Madara did the same thing. Summoned it in two seconds and then immediately absorbed it

[@mariobadia4553]

​@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKythat was after absorbing all of the tailed beasts which did not happen in this death battle Sono ten-tails

[@blackmercury2796]

​@@mariobadia4553 Folks have said that it's implied that once he became one with the Ten-Tails, he was connected to it. I don't know the context but I assumed he lost the connection to the Ten-Tails due to Madara but I'm not well-versed into Naruto. Anyways, Ten-Tails is fair game as Obito possesses it, and only needed to prep for it once to keep it. So naturally, Death Battle would give it to him. I think folks are completely misunderstanding the idea of how Death Battle operates. Many characters have lost similar things (either due to irrelevancy or forgotten) or took time to acquire certain things, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're gone or can't be utilized unless the lore explicitly said so. Such as Goku using the Power Pole or Green Lantern using his other abilities outside of his Constructs or Wolverine being a Martial Artists

[@michaelraymon111]

No vader shouldn't do better you clowns

[@theelderscout0314]

If it makes you feel better, your the reason that I’m interested in getting into Fate. I love how passionate you are when talking about Fate, especially when explaining why you used to like Vader vs Saber, and especially when showing me how cool Gilgamesh is as a character. Hell, it made me like Dr. Doom vs Gilgamesh more than I already did. Honestly, I’d like to see you talk about Fate more often, because I can tell it’s a franchise your really passionate about.

[@auraemerald8434]

Fate is overly complicated and difficult to get into. I really love it but it can be rough sometimes.

[@theelderscout0314]

@@auraemerald8434 Trust me, I’m well aware how convoluted it is.

[@louaidz1929]

​​@@auraemerald8434t isn't honestly that complicated the "fans" overcomplicate it with memes and in general it just sound very insane out of context

[@s4g3sncere]

@@louaidz1929It’s not even that, people don’t like reading 💀 plus, Fate in death battle may not happen because it’s scaling way out there pay-grade anyway. I don’t trust they properly research, they have to go throught all of fate media, including the VN, LN and games. I doubt they ever bring fate into DB, and if they do? I’m not expecting much, I’m expecting that character to lose.

[@FieryMeltman]

You can avoid the complication by reading the Fate/Stay Night visual novel first. It's the best entry in the series and is also the starting point.

[@chaisonpeyton]

Darth Vader vs Obito Uchiha connection: -Both are fallen heroes connected to bloodlines with extraordinary powers (the Skywalker family/the Uchiha Clan) and were gifted students to honorable warriors (Obi-Wan Kenobi/Minato Namikaze) to become supernatural warriors (Jedi/ninja) and learned how to use naturally occurring spiritual energy (the Force/Chakra). They used to be close comrades to snarky mentors (Obi-Wan Kenobi/Kakashi Hatake) and had a childhood love interest (Padmé Amidala/Rin Nohara). -Both originally intended to bring peace to their universes (Vader was destined to bring balance to the Force as “the Chosen One”, while Obito wanted to become a Hokage to bring peace to the world), but after an aging and far older man (Emperor Palpatine/Madara Uchiha) recognized their actions, they would be influenced to turn to the dark side. -Both took part in large-scale wars (the Clone Wars/the Third Shinobi World War) in which they were mortally wounded (Anakin was dismembered and burnt/Obito was crushed by a boulder). After being saved by the antagonists, they abandoned their old identities as they were rebuilt as renamed, masked villains with prosthetic parts (Anakin was renamed Darth Vader and was rebuilt into a cyborg/Obito took the alias of Tobi and was outfitted with the same substance as White Zetsu). -After their fall into darkness, both took part in a massacre of their own people (Order 66/the Uchiha Clan Massacre), fought against their former comrades multiple times, and were responsible for the deaths of their mentors. Both also helped to create an organization and weapon (the Galactic Empire and the Death Star/the Akatsuki and the Ten-Tails) and led armies of white clones (Stormtroopers/White Zetsu Army) during another large-scale war (the Galactic Civil War/the Fourth Shinobi World War). -Both would later redeem themselves after being influenced by the main protagonists (Luke Skywalker/Naruto Uzumaki), sacrificing their lives to help defeat the antagonists (Vader helped Luke by tossing Palpatine into a shaft while being struck by Force Lightning/Tobi took an All-Killing Ash Bone from Kaguya that was meant for Naruto while using Kamui to destroy one aimed for Kakashi). -Both mentored another now-deceased antagonist (Starkiller/Pain)

[@Five_FingersofDeath]

Wait, when did Statkiller die?

[@jaieregilmore971]

​@@Five_FingersofDeathforce unleshed 1.

[@Five_FingersofDeath]

@@jaieregilmore971 He was my favorite star wars character:(

[@jaieregilmore971]

@@Five_FingersofDeath Well there is force unleshed 2 about his clone but to me I think he is the real galen.

[@Five_FingersofDeath]

@@jaieregilmore971 I played the one where he fought Vader and had two options at the end to kill or spare. If killed, you get killed by another clone of starkiller I believe, and spare is where starkiller doesn't dje.

[@Dragonzord571]

One tweek I'd have is Vader seeming himself and Padme watching Luke and Liea playing in the fields of Naboo.

[@chefbreccia2642]

I do like the idea of Obito giving Vader his perfect life and then walking away. If it wasn't _Death_ Battle, that would have been a great ending. Also, kudos for the effort putting ERB Hitler in Vader's eyes.

[@Awe391]

That’s so ice cold

[@patrickgowen324]

Like there is an other idea with Vader’s life system going out and could be incorporated into it like Obito giving Vader a perfect life and destroys or the damage from an earlier attack damages the life system and Vader soon dies because of it but Obito leave him like that and die in peace.

[@laurence_lookmyr]

An ending I would have preferred would be almost entirely as is, with two changes. After showing anakin first entering the IT they should have shown him giving in, maybe through the sith eyes fading on vader or body language from anakin, cut back to the dream one more time to show that anakin got to grow old as a jedi master surrounded by the people he loves, before being reminded that this was an illusion with “you are liberated from hell” and obito ripping his soul out “find peace in the next life” Doesn’t existence erasure vader, shows how insane the IT is (which can make you live a lifetime in less than a second), and adds a bit more emotional weight to the ending. Anakin finally got his perfect life, obito finally got to end the hell of the world’s hatred, and in the end goes to further obito and vaders characterization.

[@dorohime7001]

But you're sacrificing that cinematic shot with the DNA sword that is a reference to Juubito's most defining moment? And then you'll have all the star wars heads complaining about Force Ghost bullshit. He had to end it with the TSO's

[@laurence_lookmyr]

@@dorohime7001 personally would not call that juubito’s most defining moment. Id give that to first coming out of the cocoon or the barrier 10 tails blast. Star wars heads already complaining about IT, plus that community seems to be one of the biggest complainers whenever i see them lose a vs anyhow. No avoiding that.

[@Vandalieu]

Obito should be able to regenerate his eye as Naruto was able to use the Yang Six Paths to restore Kakashi's original eye which has been gone for years, plus Obito has nearly half of his body made out of Hashirama cells which have incredible regeneration.

[@fillerchannel7136]

As someone who wanted Vader to win, as someone who still thinks Vader wins, I loved this episode and people need to calm down. Vs is subjective and Dark Dimension Vader isn't a thing, chill out.

[@error-4269]

your opinion is a$$ in my opinion.

[@ORIGINALFBI]

Yea. Dark Dimension Vader was basically just a dream. It was him looking inwards at "What could have been"

[@3eve0n]

As someone who doesn't know much about this matchup outside of what was shown in DB, I'm curious why you think vader wins. Not saying you're wrong, I just wanna know what DB missed that would allow vader to get around kamuyi and the regeneration.

[@patrickbeer2078]

@@3eve0nI’d suggest reading the g1 prediction blog on it, it does hold a lot of information on everything the two held (though more detail was very clearly put on vaders side) and their members on vaders side gave much more convincing arguments than the ones on obitos, including ones that countered what DB would say in their conclusion.

[@redmartin6237]

​@@patrickbeer2078I'll give that one a read, thanks for the info I'm not really good with scaling either (first time with SW and Naruto as a whole).

[@luugyluugulite1656]

I’m so sorry that Vader vs Alter has been ruined for you, as well as Fate in VS in general for the most part. And the general waiting period being ass. I’m glad I’m not too deep in the community to see this stuff.

[@namelessvoid9725]

@Nemesis Bloodryche being a ten tails jinchuriki would allow you to regen your eye the only reason we didn't see that is because obito never lost one as a jinchuriki and madara was trying to get his original rinnegan back. Also kakashi wasn't just using lightning it was still chakra so it makes sense how it could clash with the saber just saying. Also madara did tame the ten tails near instantly in the anime just like in the fight because he's just better than obito.

[@darkron288]

Definitely one of those battles that will be overshadowed by its verdict. The episode is fine but this episode is gonna be very controversial amongst the versus community

[@godhaloknight6332]

Out of all the episodes, I didn't think Vader Obito would be the next Ben 10 v Hal Might regret bringing that up but hey, we're balling

[@dorohime7001]

Which is weird bcus the verdict was right and the community is just filled with bitches 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

​@@godhaloknight6332the difference between this and Ben vs Hal is that they were correct with ben vs hal, but they argued it poorly. Hell they wrote in the side bar that anakin overpowered the father and the son. Do you know how powerful those 2 are? They are physical representations of the light and dark side on a universal scale.

[@auraemerald8434]

⁠@@KEEPTALKIN8215Personally, I think Obito winning is fine considering how debatable it generally was. This is one of those rare battles that ended up being a 50/50 in the community with a slight preference towards Vader. Even the g1 blog ended up favoring Obito just slightly.

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

@@auraemerald8434 Meh is disagree with the episode, but I liked the episode itself. I also don't like that they used both canon and legends material when both scales and the internal scaling is different.

[@phantomfalcon8104]

One of my all time favorite episodes, the amount of passion and love put into one of my favorite matchups fills me with a lot of joy

[@error-4269]

😑

[@godhaloknight6332]

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[@error-4269]

@@godhaloknight6332 🍆

[@dusky5535]

@@error-4269 what

[@Westley6578]

Dude video was super half assed it was shorter than most the 3-D animation. It’s just OK death battle done way bette and n the power. Scaling sucks for both characters.

[@whyareyoureadingthissmh]

Waiting periods like these are exactly why I don't think "toxic debate" is a good argument against joker vs giorno anymore cause at this point All debates are toxic Even for matches everyone loves

[@MinecraftWorld1954]

I cannot help but compare this episode to Trunks vs Silver. EVERYONE was all up in arms about the winner that they completely ignored the quality of the episode. And, much like Trunks vs Silver, this episode... OH! MY! GOD! I! LOVE! THIS! As for the next time... honestly, I've warmed up to the matchup. And I now have an excuse to rewatch Teen Titans Edit: when I said "I cannot help but compare this episode to Trunks vs Silver", I meant compare the reactions of the episode to Trunks vs Silver. People getting pissed off at the outcome and overlooking just how amazing the episode itself was

[@error-4269]

What? that episode was also 💩 at least in my opinion.

[@MinecraftWorld1954]

​@@error-4269 If it's because of the winner: shut up. If it's for other reasons: ok that's fine. Either way, I f*cking loved it

[@error-4269]

@@MinecraftWorld1954 who won that one I don't even remember I just remembered the taste of puke in my mouth after you reminding me of it.

[@somedude9450]

@@MinecraftWorld1954You know after reading error’s past comments I think the bloke hates just to hate

[@MinecraftWorld1954]

@@error-4269 Are you not watching the video?

[@FireSonic225]

I honestly really liked this DB. The fight with Obito and Vader just felt Raw, and they both seemed really powerful, so much so I legit didn’t know who would win until the KO screen appeared

[@markmagician2471]

Pretty sure Death Battle didn't want the Naruto Fanboys to cry and complain when someone outside their Universe beats them so they made Obito win

[@staticsoul]

Butthurt much?

[@olp3850]

They made other charaters win against naruto charaters? Roshi beated Jirya Toph beated gaara Sanji beated Rock lee Obi wan beated Kakashi Hiei beated Sasuke

[@gokubread2733]

The way you described how Obito killed Vader had me giggling man, like holy hell, good review 👍

[@dannylopez5976]

Unfortunately for the Naruto community it has filled up with Gaslighters, and critics who i'm 80% never watcher the series or fail to understand it. The ones hit the hardest are usually Obito, Itachi and Naruto.

[@Neo-925]

14:36 just to answer this point we see in the sasuke vs deidara fight that obito can make people feel like they hit him without actually hitting him The context is that sasuke slices through obito and says "One down" and is surprised when obito gets back up

[@AniSwiftTVRecaps]

No he cannot the hell, he cut through a guy and saw him fall so he thought he was dead. But everyone who faze through obito doesn't feel anything but air

[@Neo-925]

@@AniSwiftTVRecaps why were the clothes not cut?, why was there no visable damage at all?

[@AniSwiftTVRecaps]

@@Neo-925 read the last part

[@Neo-925]

@@AniSwiftTVRecaps that means that he can choose to make people feel like they touched him or not

[@cherechesalexdaniel811]

I also think that Vader should have won but they explained it well enough so i don’t really care much. The major thing that i had an issue with is how exactly Vader lost. Firstly: Vader’s precognition was sometimes treated as non existent (like when Obito took his arm off with the truthseeking orb) Secondly: Vader can and has broken out of illusions on the scale to the infinite tsukuyomi (even in canon) i personally would have prefered if this failed, Vader kills Obito, Obito uses Izanagi to survive and kills Vader by barely outspeeding him. Other than these its probably one of my favorite episodes.

[@Vladit0r]

Don't forget that Vader has finally unleashed his true potential in Cannon which I actually wanted to see seeing as it is cannon, and the fact that Vader can dominate brother and sister. However reasons against them would include the fact that it's often and it was a one time thing for the full potential. The dominating brother and sister definitely should have been included in my opinion then again that just shows more force potential. He has broken out of illusions but this one was so peaceful for him that I can understand why he'd stay there. He can break out of other dimensions in comics but isn't really shown anywhere else I guess. So for me I would have liked to see some more things included for Vader, but for what they give I get it. Obitos feats feel slightly stretched in some areas, like the final illusion while definitely cool takes a lot to set up and it comes out of nowhere for me so I have a few things that bug me but nothing major enough to take away from enjoying it.

[@cherechesalexdaniel811]

@@Vladit0r I completely understand. Funnily enough Vader would likely have a tool to drain Obito’s chakra. As the 10tails’s chakra was compared to a small planet but Darth Nihilus was able to effortlessly drain larger planets of their life energy. Vader is far stronger in raw power than Nihilus, knows about force drain as an ability from his jedi days, had more than enough opportunities to learn it, possesses both energy tutaminis and consume essence both of which are extremely similar abilities, and has been confirmed to have abilities that he never used on screen. + DB did give Hal the ability to time travel which he has never been shown doing it or implied to be able to do just because another gl could. So i think giving Vader force drain would have made sense and could have been a compelling argument for him winning. But eh…the episode was still good. I just wish they would have thrown Vader a bone after pretty much feeding him to Dr Doom.

[@Vladit0r]

@@cherechesalexdaniel811 I completely forgot about his draining technique, that would definitely be interesting to see. I still wish there was more shown for Vader yeah again it's not awful, for what they showed it made sense and it was a nice animation.

[@Wattson19]

The fight is not meant to represent how the fight would exactly go, it's just an illustration to keep people entertained.

[@perrufotrollin1749]

​@@cherechesalexdaniel811Canon or legends?

[@mattiismouse1086]

I thought the episode was just good but it's probably going to hold a special place in my heart since I saw the preview at RTX with my boyfriend Keith which was also the first time I met him IRL. Good episode, next time is definitely a match

[@Voidedreaper]

I'm not the only one who saw this scene as so much more wholesome. the infinite Tsukuyomi puts the one captured in it into a perfect dream. one where it's exactly how he would want it. and yes while you can resist against it... it will continuously try to soothe you into the dream. to become at peace in said dream. and while yes Vader would absolutely try to fight against it. Padme would be the moment he loses to it. he loves her and a lot of his rage is over her death. seeing her alive and still caring about him would absolutely cause him to quickly lose his anger ( not without maybe killing a few people in said dream. ) edit: I forgot to mention that I do agree the ending could have been handled better but the ending works for what it is. if he can resist than he would fight ( more or less ) and would have to be killed. if he can't resist have him enter the dream and his body just get covered by the tree as a power source ( which does happen in the anime. ) and have it end with Anakin walking away with Padme and obito sighing before flying away. and with the both happy and sad moment. all he would really need is a simple sigh. a sigh can be seen in many ways. annoyance, relief, grieve and a pained sigh could be seen with the grieve while a saddened sigh ( which would be best here. ) can portray exactly what obito could feel. saddened that vader has to die but relieved that he gave him a peaceful end.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

exactly @@roobyrne3075

[@adididavidi6185]

@@roobyrne3075 the infinite tsukuyomi also manipulates memories so I'm not sure how they will interact

[@noahgreenbelt]

Genjustus in Naruto have warped perception of time before so that someone lived a full life in a second, so I like to think Vader did in fact get to experience a full life and passed on peacefully with Obito just destroying his physical body; and on a similar note, I think the TSO weapons only destroy soul matter if the soul is exposed in some kind of spiritual way; just killing someone normally with one wouldn't destroy the soul.

[@Dragonzord571]

Sakura got stabbed by one and she was relatively fine after healing herself so, that may be the case.

[@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy]

​@@Dragonzord571Well actually rinnegan users can use rinnegan ro ds which basically look just like TSB. And since we know TSB disintegrate matter as eell but didnt disintegrate sakura, its evident that she git hurt by a rinnegan ro d.

[@naruto78961]

@@Dragonzord571You’re confusing the truth seeking orbs with the black receiver rods of the rinnegan.

[@DrakeVagabond]

3:15 I think you need to look up what objective means. Because this description you gave to disprove it is literally how objectivity works

[@Universal_Fro]

Yeah it was an animation error, you can even see in my boards that I always made sure to draw Jubito with his sharingan eye closed for the rest of the fight.

[@mechamanw668]

Yeah, I can agree with the shade being thrown by vader fans. I commented on a reaction video that I think it's ridiculous that people were surprised that they wouldn't give Obito the ten tails when a portion of his analysis was dedicated to his jinchuriki form, just so have a dude rant at me about how they wanked Obito and that Vader should've washed I basically responded with, "regardless of how accurate the verdict is, this literally has nothing to do with what I just said" I don't care if certain fights should have ended differently or if they don't have all the info, I just like the vids for the same reason I like Game Theory. It's just fun

[@mariobadia4553]

I mean it makes no sense and breaks the rules of no prep. He needs prep time to use that s*** which he shouldn't have had in this death battle so no ten-tails

[@blackmercury2796]

​@@mariobadia4553 I already replied in another so I'm gonna ask a question. If the Ten-Tails took prep time for Obito to become its Jinjurriki. How come Madara has it and nobody said anything about it?

[@iguanaboi3921]

I immediately recognized the usage of "Never Second Best," in your video. One of my favorite tracks for one of my favorite match ups

[@TimeyWimey.]

I feel like the ending is out of character for Vader as emotional manipulation would likely just piss him off more than anything, which would feed into his power.

[@jerrythemike3584]

I consider it more to be a case of the IT being stronger than Vader's Mental Resistances (As per DB own conclusion) than him actually accepting the dream...but holy shit, that doesn't works at all with Vaders Character

[@freetoplayking7362]

18:04 they say that he managed to regenerate after half his body was atomised, and it's shown that he kept the eyes post-regeneration, so yes, he can grow it back/recover it

[@opalander]

Reincarnation is a thing in Naruto, though I'm uncertain if Obito is aware of that. I like to think he meant "Find peace in the next life" as in Vader reincarnates into someone with an easier life.

[@heyguysxd]

I think the track from link vs vader from crossover colosseum is also called "That's no moon". Funny coincidence i guess.

[@agentboi4794]

My problem with this Death Battle specifically is how they just gave Obiti 10 tails and infinite Tsukuyomi. Like unless you've only watched Naruto from Tik Tok and Instagram reels you'd know that these both need a whole lot of prep time.

[@jibbobdion5072]

@Nemisis When Obito first became a Jinchuriki he was heavily wounded and bleeding to death, but than his wounds were healed once he became a 10 rails host, so no, this would not be an animation error.

[@woo3371]

I hope that the next star wars match is a blaster user, like Han vs Kirk or something. That being said, a more modern analysis of Luke would be pretty cool.

[@thatlegodude1920]

This might be stupid but when Vader broke obito’s mask I thought that was starkiller

[@SoulGizmo]

I was like why's he seeing rei

[@michaelcollins4534]

Dude I fucking thought it was starkiller too, that padme model was so fugly

[@VexytheWolf]

I do agree, I was in the camp where I was bombarded by the Vader , I personally love both characters, but I thought Obito would win. The wait for this battle was really rough, and I felt like I was bad for thinking Obito could even win. Obito is my second or third favorite Naruto character, and Vader is one of my favorite Starwars characters, so I thought the battle, including the fight, holy crap I loved the fight so much! My issue is that I think Obito's eye coming back made sense he could regenerate thanks to the Ten Tails, I find it cute that he regenerated a Sharingan who knows if that's his Kamui Sharingan. I was happy they left out Izanami, it would mean Obito would have to choose one of his eyes to sacrifice to cast, where in the fight Vader crushes his Sharingan, personally I think it's a bit more crazy. (Obito using his Suck in Kamui to cause a Typhoon infront of Vader kinda annoyed me thought, like his Sharingan was glowing, he was using it, but it was a tornado failing to push Vader away when his Kamui doesn't do that? Idk) I do agree with most of what you said, I think Vader taking Juubito's limb would be insane. My only disagreement, is that I don't know at all where it's said the sword of Nunoboko takes away souls, I agree it is made of TSO's, but in the anime, Obito used it against Naruto and Sasuke, never saying it destroys or takes souls. On a funny thought, my head cannon is the Infinite Tsukuyomi. In the anime, another Uchiha named Itachi's Sharingan gave him Tsukuyomi, a Genjutsu that transports his foe into a mind space where Itachi controls time, in the anime it was used to put Kakashi into 72 hours of continuous torture for only a second. In the cannon light novels, Itachi used Tsukuyomi to put his girlfriend into a world where she and Itachi lived 70 years together, her perfect dream. So my headcannon is that the Infinite Tsukuyomi, besides hitting everything on that planet, even animals, putting them into their perfect dream world, where any desire they wish happens, such as for Anakin, being able to see Padmè again, but in the anime what we see is every character is living a life's worth of time, so I think once Obito used the Infinite Tsukuyomi, it trapped Anakin in his perfect world forever, even in death he's in that dream with Padmè. That makes me happy personally. Also, to anyone mad, the Infinite Tsukuyomi can be used by a Ten Tails Jinchuriki. Even though Madara used it, Obito said he was going to be distracted. I loved the fight, its the first one in so long I honestly enjoyed, I dont care about x-men though, and my partner said Phoenix wipes Raven...so I'm not too excited for the next one. Anyway, love ya, man! amazing video as always!

[@the_vengeful_one6040]

I thought that the Padme illusion when Vader crushed Obito’s mask was actually Starkiller.

[@skyslasher2297]

This episode blew me away it was almost perfect in every way

[@dresdenlancer9012]

The Boomstick voice at 6 minutes was so good. Lol. Also, yeah... there are a *lot* of Vs Debaters who don't actually try and Vs Debate. They just want their favorite action figure to win and refuse to accept any feats of others, writing them off as outliers or just ignoring them, and then using their *own* outlier info to puff up their side. This happens everywhere, but when you're just being an ass about it, you can gtfo. Vs Community doesn't need your idiocy. (Not talking about you, Nemesis. You're great.)

[@hattoripool1533]

With how many Vader fans were acting rude and snobbish I got to say they would make good Sith characters. Cause there are some Sith characters who acted like that

[@godoitops]

Wait people were being ass with you about Saber vs Vader? Sheesh man, is personally one of my favorites matchups ever, but even then Jesus Christ why people act like this? Fate is MY most wanted franchise on the show, but i completely get your point And yes the waiting period was ass, people were treating Obito like a fucking weakling that would die just by Vader blinking, and shitting on his character and show, one of the main motives on why i was super happy when Obito won, the community literally made me root for a character for pure spite (Obito is my favorite Naruto character, but i like Vader more)

[@Vandalieu]

What's even the connection between Saber and Vader? Neither really have anything in common.

[@godoitops]

@@Vandalieu did you not see Nemesis video that he mentioned it? It was the every new opponent for every combatents in Death Battle, and he put Saber for Vader, there he explained everything (it's pretty big so i can't just put a sum up, is better you watched it, is probably the biggest section in the video)

[@godoitops]

@@Vandalieu kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJWqiIFqgdiYiK8 20:27

[@darkreflection9087]

I was really hoping Vader would finally get a win outside of DBX Edit I enjoyed the fight though

[@gio78954]

This has been one of my most wanted episodes for awhile and Im really glad it turned out as great as it did

[@o0bookwyrmknight0o]

Commenting to help boost and I did enjoy the episode, even if I think they could’ve gone more into other power scaling from the Anakin and Darth Vader achievements.

[@hntrRundas]

The gummy bears and echo fighter jokes had me and the crew rolling😂

[@mechamanw668]

3:27 and as for this point, I fully agree that vs discussions are very subjective and up to the individual. Personally when I think of vs matchups, I like to equate the power systems as more one in the same and merge the rules of both. So in the Asta vs Deku match, quirks like Black Whip would have counted as magic, even though I know it isn't. Discussions are more fun for me in that regard

[@NeutralOffensive]

YES. VS debating is ultimately a game and it’s rules are subjectively decided by the people playing it. It’s purpose is to determine who makes a more convincing argument, not who is “objectively” correct. There are objective elements in vs debating, but the ultimate results are marred by far too many subjective elements to be considered objective overall. I think the vs community has a lot of egotistical, narcissistic people who unfortunately care less about having fun and more about making themselves feel intellectually superior to everyone else at any cost. Fortunately, there are plenty of people who aren’t like that, and I’m glad at least some people are calling it out for the damage it’s doing to these fanbases. People really need to learn that you don’t need to force everyone to agree with you to have a valid opinion. Some questions can have different, conflicting, yet equally valid answers.

[@redmartin6237]

​@@NeutralOffensiveSame here tbh, I enjoy vs matches because I get to see characters on a way I would never have seen prior to that, sadly the toxicity in the existing fandom ruins it and a fun debate transforms on a literal war zone. With this episode in particular I feel that the main issue was the analysis and scaling itself, they used Composites for both and their arsenals weren't used at their fullest or had some mistakes. Overall, I feel like if they used Canon Vader vs Canon Obito no one would've complained aside from those who didn't like the result or that noted a few mistakes here and there, but alas, this is what we got and the discussions boiled harder than Godzilla swimming through Magma. This was a good episode, but the analysis and scaling needed some work or deciding on a single version of each character.

[@NeutralOffensive]

@@redmartin6237 I was more so talking about the community in general rather than this episode specifically with my little rant. Though as for your criticisms, I think they’re all reasonable. I definitely think Death Battle struggles with handling Star Wars materials and I can completely sympathize with the irritation of them not being able to commit to a single version of the character. It makes it a lot harder to follow their reasoning when they pick and choose from two incongruent continuities with little rhyme or reason. They’ve had that problem for a while and I’ll be right there with you in hoping they can be a clearer in their methods going forwards. As far as mistakes go, they’ve done that plenty in the past and I’m not going to give anyone flack for getting agitated at seeing something they like be blatantly misrepresented, so long as it isn’t too overblown.

[@redmartin6237]

@@NeutralOffensive Yeah sorry about that I got a bit sidetracked and you made a big point there. After all it's the community that doesn't feel that one version of the character is enough for a vs or DB feels forced to include more than one version, they have to make these episodes on a deadline after all. From my part I just stopped looking the analysis on my first watch whenever a new episode drops, I enjoy the fight and just watch the analysis another day or if I feel that something was off. Again, apologies for getting so side tracked and for my little rant there 😅

[@NeutralOffensive]

@@redmartin6237 Nah man, you’re all good. I’m just glad to see there are people who can have reasonable discussions and make criticisms without getting too over-emotional about it.

[@aidenmb7932]

This was one of those episodes where i didnt care that my preferred character lost, because the episode was really f***ing cool

[@valydendor4472]

14:45 It is inconsistent but it also happens in Naruto where Sasuke cuts through Tobi, and only realizes his attack didn't work after Tobi got up.

[@CyberDalek17]

Yeah, this was a fun episode, definitely favorite at the moment, at the end of the day all that should matter is finding enjoyment in the episode and boy did I get that in Spades, the Amazing animation, Great score that I really want to listen to on it's own, Fantastic Writing, and Brilliant Voice performances

[@demonarcher1661]

I say while this is my second favorite episode of the season i was shocked with how the community acted Maybe cause i just dont have a strong opinion on the large side of the modern vs community. This season really showed me how childish it really is and how snooby people act about fictional characters. As some whose been in vs for over 9 years and see the newer side just become this more exaggerated version of how the outside audience sees us makes me sick. Its why people like you (who i do see as a chill pal i knew for years) and the small community im around is the small reason why im still here

[@jayhyperstarx6113]

I can’t help but agreed with this honestly

[@redmartin6237]

​@@jayhyperstarx6113Same, as I have been saying, if the analysis for both used a single version of each character (mainly canon) the discussions wouldn't have been as hard as they are rn. Mostly thanks to Legends power scaling and some of the crazier feats they've both pulled. This was an episode that I really liked (the ending quite literally touched my heart), but the scaling used for both characters kind of made people go rampant on this match. Overall, my style of doing versus is most of a game way, where I sit on the middle in terms of a characters power scaling and listen to both sides arguments to learn more of a character that otherwise I wouldn't see as deeply. It's sad how the increasing toxicity of these fandoms ruin a good experience, as something that is a discussion becomes a heated debate more akin to a war. This is kind of the reason I just settle on universes with more grounded scalings or just avoid universes like Naruto and Dragon Ball altogether, the debates they present just stopped being fun and are literal wars on who's better or who wins.

[@jayhyperstarx6113]

@@redmartin6237 I couldn’t agree more with you It’s almost like people expect someone to be accurate in their own research and i’m someone who doesn’t really put trust into death battle’s research or think of them as professionals because some of their claims are wrong in their research and I assure you the vs debate community is much worse because people always be too serious and toxic for no reason look I get like having your favorite characters lose in a fight can be understandable but starting wars with someone in a comment section is a waste of time all because your characters lost in a fight is beyond me this is exactly why I will never become a vs debater because of toxicity I don’t understand why people be serious with this stuff man because we got better things to do rather than argue with someone on the internet is just a waste of time and it won’t do anything at all the only thing I don’t mind is debates that are chill in my preference

[@redmartin6237]

@@jayhyperstarx6113 Same here man, same here. Kind of the reason I've been ignoring the analysis of DB and focused only on the fight itself on my first watch. I used to be one of the guys who went hard on a vs debate but I went for a more chill approach as time went on. After all, each one has a different opinion, we can disagree with it yes, but not disrespect it or disrespect who gives their opinion. I'm just thankful that not everyone is like this and there is people who indeed, have passion for this kind of thing (it warms my heart seeing people just converse things out, it's really satisfying to read) and will be chill about different opinions and offer some points to the argument given. Well, I will be around I guess. Take care pal, it is nice knowing that people like you are on the vs community, it's what motivates me to stay and enjoy the game. Have a great day :)

[@jayhyperstarx6113]

@@redmartin6237 Man I gotta say not bad with your expectation and thanks you take care as well 👍

[@montizima]

When I saw that Padme model, I genuinely thought it was Starkiller. It’s only now that you mention it that I went, “Yeah, Padme makes more sense.”

[@brownwindedangel]

18:12 but Odito had regrown his eye remeber in the analysis they bring up how he had half his body destroyed and he regenerated, eye included?

[@faytwind3913]

This 3D fight was just acceptable. I find myself watching the 2D Madara v. Aizen battle over and over again.

[@TrexGamer.]

No one should’ve been harassed at a matchup getting revealed and who won the episode. Nem I am so god damn sorry that you had people hounding you cause it wasn’t Saber vs Vader. I wish that upon no one and to all the people who hated on Obito’s character cause “He was a worse Vader” grow the fuck up.

[@Studio-ur2ud]

I’ll note some things for this episode. 1) I wasn’t looking forward to it cuz of the fans, yeah I’m sorry that y’had to endure that two-week hell. But I liked it too. I’m sad you couldn’t enjoy the waiting period as much as possible. 2) I’ll say Obito’s was more of a nice kill. Think aboutmit like this- Obito can see Vader’s gone through a lot. He feels similar to him in a way. So, what if the final blow was a mercy kill? A blind-handed act of mercy to ensure Anakin didn’t have to suffer with living anymore? It’s a possibility given the final quote and remnants of humanity through the lost limbs. Even with the pose of anger and the earlier genjutsu scene with Pademin I think it was? Either way, that’s how I see it- a mercy kill. Stuck in a paradise with a lovely dream, all the while the final blow isn’t even painful. 3) Yeah I do agree it’s a fun episode, not perfect but still enjoyable.

[@4dojo]

There are definitely several strengths for both characters that were more or less ignored, but the battle was alot of fun to watch and ultimately that's what matters to me the most.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Idk, feels like they were super generous with Obito, can he just whip out infinite tsukuyomi and 10 tails form? Like didn't it take a prep to do all that? Vader felt underplayed to, def should have won but it's whatever

[@zenkaiforms]

26:47 maybe a similar face to Goku during namek when frieza tried to kill him after giving energy and goku had no choice but presumably end him

[@HUMANHUNTER205]

It was also because they seen Kakashi lose to Obi-Wan

[@jecrex8349]

21:40 the only limb Obi-Wan didn't sever from Anakin on Mustafar was his right arm, the one he lost to Dooku in Attack on the Clones. This is confirmed as he can only use his mechanical hand to try to avoid the Lava mere inches away while Obi-Wan chastises him.

[@MeteorTribe]

The wank on that bijuu bomb was crazy

[@ThatBigChillSimp]

Wasn’t mentioned but what a episode to send off devil Artemis’s sfm animations on.

[@deadakus]

I'm an idiot but I know vs debating is subjective.

[@justsomeguy6336]

What’s the Chosen Born video he’s talking about?

[@imcheesedtomeetyou]

goomba is the best mario enemy (I'm talking out my ass)

[@andrewzeshypikamander1120]

The closest thing I had to a problem with this episode is that they black boxed alot of important information that they should've had wiz and boomstick say ALOUD. Other then that. 10/10.

[@ultrasonic4220]

So for the longest of time this was my most wanted, and it lived up to the hype. Sure I may not agree with the episode but that’s a small minuscule part of an episode. 9/10

[@ogopogoagogo]

31:53 Who is the guy that made the art?

[@Lorddrago_69]

I like how every other community the most popular youtuber would be respected and loved but only in this community does the most popular creator other than the official channel get trashed and disrespected like this. I actually feel bad for you getting all the terrible fans in your fanbase. Us real fans still love you nem

[@megatennepster3833]

Ok but is Jean grey getting to 5 bars or nah

[@jeraldyt0317]

Am I the only one that thought that it was starkiller shown instead of padme during the beginning of the fight when obito’s mask got destroyed? Yeah? Alrighty then

[@Thomastheguy-dg7rt]

Is it just me or did the effect on vaders voice change when his helmet got damaged in the fight

[@boxytheboxmaster1452]

I apologize for the waiting period

[@oritheguardianspirit3702]

21:02 I personally would’ve preferred if after Vader rapid fires Obito with the ship and force pulls him close to him, Obito would’ve loss an arm and his legs then after Obito traps vader in the illusion it can be implied that he regenerated while vader was trapped. It honestly would’ve made more sense for Obito to trap him in the dream rather than just let vader choke him and not fight back

[@audriclloyd8947]

That versus debate take is really bad because it only works in matchups that are vague. If there’s a guy in a show called the mountain crusher known for destroying mountains. And I had another guy from a different universe called the star eater who’s known for eating stars and I said star eater is objectively stronger than mountain crusher and you said well there’s a level of context missing. You’re just oblivious to the fact that some what if questions can have objective answers

[@Lordmewtwo151]

15:26 That wasn't "some alien" (okay, it technically was,) that was a predator. That's like a Wookie, Xenomorph, Dalek, Skrull, symbiote (and yes, I'm aware that Venom and Carnage both had battles), etc showing up in a death battle and being referred to as "some alien." Sorry, that was a bit distracting. Othwerise great video so far.

[@NathanTruby]

One thing i liked from the Vader analysis is the offhand comment on how Vader is basically horror movie villain with an army. Incredibly based and got a snicker out of me.

[@kyle666man]

6:10 that impression was SPOT ON 😂

[@kingced741]

14:36 thats an aspect of Kamui it feels like you made contact but you actually didn't, it leads to opponents putting their guard down.

[@ultrasonic4220]

So in Naruto Obito sword can destroy souls but to do that Yin-Yang release must be added. According to Speedy, (one of the researchers), Obito didn’t add Yin-Yang to the sword at the end.

[@unrestrainedclown2808]

Touching on the rant in the beginning, it’s really sad how much internal toxicity is in the versus community, like I literally had to explain to someone in great detail why opinions in general are not objective. Like I have this friend who hates the matchup Luke Skywalker vs Shirou Emiya, I however I’m quite a fan of it. Now here coned the crazy part, despite this disagreement we are still friends and can exist in the same space in time without feeling the incessant need to factually prove the other wrong. Such a novel concept that most of the community can’t seem to understand.

[@unrestrainedclown2808]

I have since come around to not liking Shirou vs Luke since I made this comment but my point still stands

[@helios_is_my_name]

the ERB in vader's eyes was hilarious

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

The post-summary makes no sense. Anyway it was okay and I'm eager for a waiting period that doesn't suck. And we've already lost that on Bird Girls...who's excited for Episode 7?

[@colefayard6049]

Oh my god you put the ERB in vaders eye, that's hilarious

[@yandereneko5523]

Couldn't agree more with not wanting Fate/ in DB. Love it too much.

[@lordraiden7397]

That genjutsu death wouldnt have even worked because Vader already went through these types of illusions and even seen his own alternate futures.

[@Capsirus]

I’m gonna be entirely honest, after watching this episode, I think Obito might be my favorite Naruto Character

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

that's dumb af lmao

[@Naz1Killer]

He started the 4th great ninja war because his crush died.

[@flomegames7662]

While it definitely isn't the end all be all i like that it seems like most of the matchups this season are pretty debatable at least so far

[@fishnewt1331]

Please, please, please god, let the Phoenix vs Raven episode be incredible. Jean Grey is by far my favorite character and win or lose, I just want to see her in an animation kicking butt. (Because no one uses her in fight animations aside that one Danger Room Protocols one that got cease and desisted by Marvel).

[@dorohime7001]

Ppl are saying Obi Wan vs Kakashi is better... what do you think about that?

[@thedodgeviperacr5935]

14:06 I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to think it was Rey

[@thechompymage6432]

Deathbattle is the about Celebration of our favorite Characters, not about which Character is better. People should be more Chill about this Show.

[@t5hammer871]

Let’s not forget that Obito’s body had hashirama’s cells in it before he went 10-tails on the side that holds his sharingan. Even if he couldn’t repair the eye, he could likely heal the damage

[@crest_o_razors]

The Anakin model was from Battlefront 2, tho

[@julianrodriguez8730]

Yo nemesis I just notice the ERB Darth Vader vs Adolf Hitler video in Vaders eyes that’s fucking cool and funny at the same time

[@Mr.Voiddweller]

I hear the song name for darth vader vs obito is the exact same song name as the link vs darth vader battle song.