GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Bioshock

[@thajocoth]

"Atlas" uses the family story because he knows Ryan is listening in on the call & that he will react to it.

[@Tedus987]

Further. "Would you kindly" has expiration timer. If atlas used the wood you kindly too early or out of character jack might figure it out early. The command to kill Andrew Ryan needed to be 1 believable and 2 near the intended target...

[@byrronmobley1602]

@@Tedus987 expiration timer?? He didn't use the phrase often because he didn't want Jack to see through his manipulation. Nor did he want to tip his hand and have Ryan and Tenebaum figure out who he really is. As far as it needing to be believable there are no auto diaries, information on the wiki, or anything on reddit that suggest Fontaine needs to say "Would you kindly" in a believable fashion. And being near the target? Jack only needed to hear the phrase and he was going to be forced to do whatever he was told. It didn't matter how close he was to the target. Did you forget he sent Jack from Neptune's Bounty to Fontaine Fisheries?

[@inebriationconversation4526]

@@byrronmobley1602 he doesnt even need to hear it. He can read it and gey hypnotized

[@byrronmobley1602]

@@inebriationconversation4526 that is right. Spoilers Jack the reason that plane crashed to begin with after reading WYK on that note.

[@Cman04092]

Hey guys, would you kindly stop taking these things so seriously? It's kind of cringe, considering game sins/cinema sins aren't really ment taken seriously, it's satire.

[@thefreshestslice4105]

Just want to point out that Jack isn't actually mute. There's even an audio log of him talking. It's solely a gameplay thing.

[@drewengel7073]

Where is this mythical audio log, played through the game many times, have never found it.

[@nicholaskoob2894]

@@drewengel7073 ​ not sure if we're thinking of the same one, but there's an audio log where Suchong tests the phrase on a boy, making him kill a puppy. If I remember correctly, that log was right under the bulletin board with the message carved on it. I've always assumed that boy was young Jack, but I can be corrected.

[@MaciekMaciek87]

@@drewengel7073 Jack speaks in the introduction to the game (on the airplane). You can find the log just before the big reveal - it's the one where Suchong uses the phrase to make him kill a puppy.

[@Carlisho]

Yeah he is like Link, he doesnt speak in front of us the players, but they do speak.

[@Fredomato]

Funny that this video even shows Jack speaking in the beginning, yet there are two 'mute sins'.

[@theleprechaun2123]

I woulda taken a sin off for the attention to detail with Atlas' voice on the dev's part. Fontaine specifically chose an irish accent that is associated with Ireland's working class, to reflect the ruse that he was an average working man fighting for the people

[@ripopol]

Isnt the reason Atlas pretends to have a family a need to minimise "open-use" of the triggerphrase? I always thought it was an attempt to prevent such things as a spy listening in, from turning his pet assassin against himself.

[@Zinlain]

Yeah i could have sworn both Tannebaum and Andrew Ryan could listen in... but i havent played it in years...

[@nybxcrotona]

I think in the audio logs it was pointed out that Ryan and/or Tenenbaum was listening in on comms (proof was during the first Little Sister, when Atlas tells Jack to just harvest, and Tenenbaum suddenly says don't do that). I guess they didn't know Fontaine lived, so he had to keep up the ruse.

[@Pysnpai]

In bioshock 2 there’s a portrait in Fontaine’s office of him and a wife and a son

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

@@Pysnpai I've always been curious about that, wondering what actually became of them. He seems completely alone by the time the events of the game occur.

[@byrronmobley1602]

Atlas pretending to have a family is simply because that's the cover he's established at this point. He doesn't want anyone to figure out that he's really Fontaine. That's why he using WYK sparingly. He doesn't want Ryan and Tenebaum to know who he is and he doesn't want Jack to see through his manipulation

[@jep1st]

There are tubes all over Rapture connecting buildings to each other like tunnels so people wouldn't have to take the bathysphere everywhere. They can also fit way more than just one person at a time. Atlas had to keep motivating Jack with the made up story so he wouldn't over use the "would you kindly" trick because he knew Ryan was listening and he could've figured out the behavior code too early from Atlas' point of view.

[@neilholmes8200]

That was my first thought, there's no way only one person can fit in there, it could easily fit half a dozen or so

[@reiddutchess9955]

Andrew Ryan and subsequently Jack are the only people who can use the bathyspheres, so yeah, there would have to be other tubes, just like what is observed in Bioshock 2.

[@Alknix]

Which begs the question of why keep Jack in the dark about the goal of his mission. As Dartigan says in the beginning, the whole plane crash idea was asinine. Absolutely nothing was stopping Fontaine from giving Jack specific instructions starting from taking the boat to the lighthouse and ending with killing Rayan, provide him with weapons and maybe even plasmids from the very start. Why be cryptic when Jack will follow it all anyway?

[@waterpillar1977]

​@@Alknixbecause Jack is a sleeper agent throughout the entire game he's being subtly controlling Jack and he was only being cryptic because Ryan throughout the game was spying on Jack

[@Alknix]

​@@waterpillar1977A sleeper agent is someone who doesn't act like an agent until they're triggered. Jack cannot be a sleeper agent because Ryan never trusts him and tries to kill him from the very start.

[@ostrichlord9097]

I'm convinced Jack's modifications make him very super-human. When he got frozen I bet his body temperature skyrocketed to keep him alive and ended up thawing him out

[@kevinrwhooley9439]

4:40 judging by the number of seats in the bathyspheres, I'm pretty sure each one could hold at least 8-10 people.

[@Mattd100]

Yeah I did find this an odd nitpick and would say the same thing. In the end the bathsypheres wouldd genelocked so only a select few could use them, Ryan and a few others I think.

[@jameswest6232]

I'd like The Medium please... and a Large and 2 Smalls with it. - As for the Atlas lie, I could buy that the trigger phrase really only works for specific instructions and the game even shows that jack is still conscious of his actions even if he can't control them. So arranging things so that Jack is willfully going after Ryan and the trigger keeps him on track as insurance.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

(8:32) well dartigan, it's explained in the game that main character jack was both mentally and genetically altered so that he would most likely be immune to the negative effects of ADAM.

[@superderfmen]

But that begs the question, if that were possible, why wasn’t there precautions like those before taking Adam. Basically make your body be able to handle plasmids before using them. Even if there are no regulations it just seems way too beneficial to pass considering the alternative is a broken chaotic city.

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

@@superderfmen well, I guess foresight want Ryan's specialty.

[@TR1PLE_6]

No mention of beating the crap out of Sander Cohen while listening to Tchaikovsky's Waltz of the Flowers in the background? I thought that was one of the best parts of the game.

[@danielgoodwin9811]

Yeah until I realised he needs to be alive to get into the locked door in his apartment

[@AlecDraven]

@@danielgoodwin9811 And if you kill him after he unlocks his door, you can go back down to his "masterpiece" in Fort Frolic, set it on fire..... and the game will let you kill Sander again. I fully recommend doing that.

[@danielgoodwin9811]

@@AlecDraven ik

[@superderfmen]

@@AlecDraven Wait really? Thats awesome.

[@AlecDraven]

@@superderfmen Yep. Feel free to try it on your next playthrough.

[@gattopazzo.2347]

Man this game Is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE, It should be admired as one of the highest points that the videoludic history had ever reached. Still waiting everyday for Bioshock4

[@ZenMonkeyGod]

I think a Bioshock 4 (or something very similar) may be in the works, actually.

[@Massolgy]

Dude Its not even that good relax

[@buildawall5803]

At this rate it won't happen

[@superderfmen]

@@Massolgy HOW DARE YOU!

[@schuylerevans5094]

I just finished Bioshock a week ago and now I’m playing 2! I love convenient timing.

[@thecommentsuperhero8578]

I finished it yesterday, although I think I'll skip to Infinite and come back to 2 some other day

[@IamaPERSON]

What did you guys like about it?

[@benpowell-punmaster1214]

@@thecommentsuperhero8578 I think infinite’s worth a play through. If you give it a try and don’t like it, you can always put it down.

[@Jonathontimblin7706gay]

@@thecommentsuperhero8578 you shouldn't 2 is really good the first one is obviously the best but two is really good if not better than BioShock infinite

[@hitmanlowe3562]

@@thecommentsuperhero8578 just play the whole series I never got how ppl just jump From a to c. Play in order don’t be lazy.

[@grizzakaful]

13:22 - Sin 31: Ryan is a extremist in his beliefs and is beyond insane. The guy would rather the entire city be destroyed than anyone else take it away from him. It's like asking why a cult leader would do what they do.

[@michaelmorton5698]

This is the same guy who owned an entire forest on the surface, and when the federal government offered him a very generous amount of money to turn it into a national forest, he burned it to the ground. Ryan is a devotee of the "sour grapes" doctrine: If I can't have it, no one can.

[@SuperLumianaire]

He is a libertarian taken to a very bad place. Sofia Lamb is a leftist. Comstock is an alt right heel. Their all bad and I enjoy taking them down.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@SuperLumianaire Sofia Lamb isnt a Leftist, as she encourages the Splicers turn her form of Collectivism into a religion.

[@SuperLumianaire]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 much as current leftists have done.

[@daviddiggens8841]

​​@@jakespacepiratee3740you JUST described the blatant definition of a leftist btw. Good job Edit: I'm sure the last two years have made you well aware of that

[@Mirai_the_weeb]

The vita chambers are explained, i don't remember if it's in 1 or 2 but they were made to "revitalize" you, hence the name. They were designed to not just respawn you they were made to heal wounds, cure drunkenness, etc, they're like a superpowers first aid kit which is probably why they were so commonly around, bc the health packs only helped so much 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Alknix]

Granted, but why they would be free in this hyper-capitalist cutthoat world?

[@bigbruno2232]

My only real question how is Jack suddenly transported back to the vita chambers? Are there drones that automatically pick up a corpse with the needed coding ? Same problem I had with System Shock 2.

[@IlNamelessKinglI]

@@bigbruno2232 Dont know about the teleporting bit but im pretty sure only Jack and Ryan can use Vita Chambers not anyone else. Mainly Ryan, but since Jack is his child, he has the same DNA. Same for the batispheres. In fact, when Ryan dies and you check the Vita chamber in his office, you can see its turned off, meaning Ryan figured everything out and didnt want to live, he just accepted his death. He could have "respawned" but refused.

[@edwiniseman4]

"If you don't call that family, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!" Damn you, Vin Diesel!

[@michaelmorton5698]

Wait a minute. I didn't see any cars down here.

[@MikeP828]

You didn’t remove a sin for Waltz of the Flowers playing while fighting Sander Cohen, nor did you remove *several* sins for Armin Shimerman’s INCREDIBLE performance as Ryan. *+500 sins*

[@jlev1028]

Wait, Dr. Nefarious voiced Andrew Ryan?

[@thelordofthelostbraincells]

@@jlev1028 WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?

[@SuperWiggler]

@@jlev1028 Wait... Quark voiced Andrew Ryan?

[@louisduarte8763]

@@SuperWiggler That's incredibly apt.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@SuperWiggler wait, principal Snyder voiced Andrew Ryan?

[@Brian-tn4cd]

there are explanations (mostly in the next games) of why most plasmids were made Combat focused, since their discovery and development was mostly made during the eve of the civil war, and the scientist were also on Fontaine's payroll and directed to make more offensive ones, and some like Incinerate, electrobolt, and the frost ones were repurposed

[@TheMeta141]

one of the things i love about games like this is that the most horrifying things aren't shoved in your face, you read about them or in this case hear them and it just does so much more than them showing it.

[@ryx1993]

Stuff about Jack gets even weirder if you read the book about Rapture before the fall. You find Jack is actually only a few years old, and was put through an accelerated growing process.

[@RealBradMiller]

You find that out in the game too, but yes, the John Shirley book is worth the read!!

[@giacomomasini6584]

I waited this video for so long and I finally have it Can't wait to see it, thank you Dartigan

[@rarestpepe3815]

Will you release a director's cut of this video with all the Epstein jokes put back in? Now that would be meta. And I vote for Halo 5.

[@Hellkidd1982]

Got to say the right words. Would you kindly release a director's cut with the Epstein jokes, Dartigan?

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I would genuinely be shocked if he didnt call every move Halo 5 did entirely bad and completely unredeemable, which is a bad stance to take. Im saying this as someone who hated the Didact and the Created faction initially, but you know what? I would much rather 343 trying to give us a unique new villian instead of retreading the exact same old ground like the Disney Star Wars movies. If they remove the Created out of existence in Halo Infinite, im gonna be a bit peeved, as it would be the 3rd time in a row 343 has done a soft-reboot due to giving into outrage mobs, and I hate myself for once being a part of it. Earnestly trying something new > Copy-paste nostalgia slop

[@sirocco2810]

@@Hellkidd1982 let's be real, it's 2021, a brainwash trigger command would most likely be something along the lines of "pwease daddy" these days.

[@Nigglet2023]

Hey

[@knaveofchalices]

There exists, hidden in the games files, an unused audio log suggesting that the plane Jack was in actually crashed accidentally, implying that Jack, unable to read coordinates, opened the box, found a gun without Would You Kindly instructions, and stared at it for the duration of the flight at a complete loss as to what to do with it until the plot caused the plane to crash exactly where he needed to be. The real sin is that Atlas’ plan was utterly absurd and only worked due to dumb luck.

[@WWEdeadman]

"Everything Wrong with Bioshock" That could legit have been a short xD No, seriously, actually finding 25 minutes of sin-worthy content in this game is actually an achievement.

[@frenchsoldier8485]

Half of it is dumb questions or jokes

[@OversoulGaming]

@@frenchsoldier8485 that's kind of the point of sins videos though. It's satire. If he's doing legitimate criticism then he's doing it wrong.

[@frenchsoldier8485]

@@OversoulGaming But Cinemasins isn't satire either since they occasionally point out problems

[@UnicornStorm]

@@OversoulGaming so why isn't he just lying about the game? c'mon, of course these videos are interesting because they point out flaws in the movies/games we love. And it's even more entertaining if it's full of nitpicks. Saying "it's satirical" doesn't defend him from being criticized when he's outright wrong

[@k54maclosky97]

@@frenchsoldier8485 1/5 of it not half

[@Neeina]

Random anecdote: When my bf and I go out we have programmed ourselves incase one of us is too drunk/being an idiot that “would you kindly” is our safe word to snap us back into getting to a safe spot

[@JustThinkForYourself]

Would you kindly, stop talking bollocks.

[@superderfmen]

That sounds fucking awesome.

[@MaitreMechant]

what if you're both drunks tho ?

[@Mothman1992]

The bathysphere isn't normally the only way between areas. They explain that ryan shut down the normal thoroughfares because he was paranoid

[@AlecDraven]

12:35 I always assumed that Atlas/Fontaine blew up the submarine himself to keep his lie going. Makes more sense than Ryan destroying the sub for no reason.

[@tempestflare4339]

The bombardier beetle is the animal you're looking for to explain the fire plasmid it does exactly that on the small scale. While the actual Fire part is a bit far-fetched the extreme exothermic reaction is what we're looking at here. The ice plasmid if you had mentioned that that was the one that could stump people as there's no animal that can produce that kind of cold liquid nitrogen from the air.

[@ZShogan]

No it does not. It releases hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide from two sperate reservoirs into a enzyme filled chamber, causing them to react and form water, oxygen, and 1,4-Benzoquinone. The resulting mixture is less than 100°C. It is not fire.

[@tempestflare4339]

@@ZShogan had you read the actual full comment you would have seen that I mentioned that the fire part was an exaggeration. I mentioned the extreme exothermic reaction.

[@ZShogan]

@@tempestflare4339 It’s not even an exaggeration. “This beetle can shoot a hot irritating chemical mixture from its abdomen, therefore humans can be genetically modified to summon fireballs at will” is a non sequitur.

[@tempestflare4339]

@@ZShogan you don't get exactly what I was trying to say there's a biological imperative for a severe exothermic reaction; meaning it generates a lot of heat. working that process so that it can actually create fire through genetic manipulation is something that is possible in the Bioshock world get air hot enough and it will self ignite

[@everything_popculture]

Wrong, bathyspheres can hold more than one person; you would know that if you played burial at sea dlc

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

Not even that far, Bioshock 2 has a sunken bathysphere with a recorder that features a couple trying to escape the city and they get torpedoed.

[@neilholmes8200]

Or just common sense, they're clearly big enough to hold several

[@Zinlain]

Isnt the idea that Rapture hasnt been ruined for 'years'? i havent played it in years myself, but with the reveal that Jack is far younger than his body would suggest implies it hasnt been that long. Lot of places leaking that would have been fully flooded if they were unattended for years...

[@neilholmes8200]

11:00 Atlas / Fontaine intentionally probably didn't use the trigger phrase here for good reasons. Tennenbaum had worked with Suchong on Jack's early development and may well have known something about the mind control and trigger phrase. Even if she didn't know the specific phrase, Fontaine probably didn't want to overuse the it, especially not in front of the highly intelligent scientist just in case she figured out that something was wrong. When he's your ace in the hole, you don't take risks about exposing him and ruining a lot of hard work.

[@Jlopezocasio]

I honestly don’t get why this twist is so beloved. I like Ryan’s speech reveal but how does the twist impact the story? Fontaine afterwards shows how threatening of a villain he is because of it and apparently it also explains vita-chambers, but does Atlas make you do anything you wouldn’t do otherwise? Ryan seems to have stopped other people from leaving so it’s fair to say he’d do it to you. Atlas wasn’t necessary to pit you against Ryan. You’d think you’d have to get rid of those running this place and the twist makes it so that one of the big two that was thought to be dead wasn’t really. Shouldn’t the reveal happen with some time before you’re cured? Heck it could give you an explanation to harvest a little sister and still get the good ending since he wants you to. You’d think you’d meet Atlas after I’m guessing two random people die in a submarine but he just disappears so you don’t get any mute interactions with him or have to rely on him in terms of gameplay. He just uses you and doesn’t do anything to help but with the twist he does the same thing. The only time you’re shown to not be in control is with Ryan and I don’t know how he found out or if he even knows you’re his son. Fontaine says he tattooed your memories of the surface and we know you were born in Rapture so what does it do? You’d have never left Rapture, you’d still want to get out because the place is a wreck, and you’d still be able to use vita chambers. I don’t even know what you lose from the twist. A friend? Sinclair from 2 respects you and supports your moral choices but Jack only has one moral choice and everything else is doing what he’s told and it’s treated as such. Atlas just saves you from a splicer, sympathized with your crash and sudden change in circumstances, and tells you to stay calm after taking the first plasmid. His ally who gives you the grenade launcher and tells you to get the camera is the only one who shows any effort to look out for you after the first drone as he thinks you’re too weak without it (but he still betrays you). Did Ryan have another submarine that Atlas said you could use to escape after killing him. Maybe I missed it by trying to listen to audio logs all the time but I didn’t know what would happen after beating Ryan I thought it was for Atlas’ revenge but it was still just a conflict between each other and nothing with you. The only characters to not screw each other over are those who don’t care. Tenenbaum only care about children, the plant lady only cares about plants, and the artist only cares about art and apologizes for being crazy. The ones who care about the state of the city all screw each other over because that’s what this city was made for. Only to look out for number one.

[@Cman04092]

"I don't inject myself with a can of redbull to keep my heart going, now do I?" No of course not, that would be just silly. You do it because it give you wings!

[@an-animal-lover]

I love this comment

[@nicholaslischko1734]

This list should only be two things. The repetitive hacking minigame, and the final boss battle. Everything else about this game is perfect.

[@UnicornStorm]

I think the fresh corpses and the still smoking drill were pretty noteworthy

[@Massolgy]

No it is not. There are so much more sins

[@bigbruno2232]

And carry the little sister. Tho still better than the handyman and feckin Siren in Infinite.

[@BriarKnight]

The re-spawning thing is one of those mechanics that I wish they just straight up didn't mention. If they didn't say anything about it I wouldn't care, it's just a mechanic, but because they did it's now part of the lore and immortality is way too big a can of worms to just casually throw in there. The second one establishes they can be hacked and you can resurrect someone who has been dead for years as well.

[@iceman1287]

The biggest sin is that even before Rapture went to hell the little sisters main priority were to harvest Adam from dead bodies throughout Rapture. Like there would just be dead bodies lying around Rapture?

[@ianmckee4726]

I believe that Adam addiction and general psychosis stwrted relaitivly soon into Raptures existance. Parts of the city became drug ridden slums a good while before Atlas and the civil war, as Splicers killed each ither over adam stashes. The little sisters came around to recycle the adam from those corpses.

[@Brian-tn4cd]

Also most little sisters were put to work during or after the civil war, so bodies everywhere wouldn't be that weird

[@Grunt-ko7to]

@@ianmckee4726 Wasn't that shown in Bioshock 2?

[@ianmckee4726]

@@Grunt-ko7to It may have been. I was thinking about the fall of rapture book mostly.

[@superderfmen]

And there was an audio diary from suchong that shows it was his idea. Although I don’t remember when it was that he was suppose to have this idea.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

I totally agree with Dartigan about the movie bullshit. Games need to stay games. We have movies as separate entities for a reason, because they're entertainment meant to throw a story at you with zero input on your behalf. Games should explore how your input can affect anything in them, like the story or how high an NPC can fly into the air from explosives.

[@UnicornStorm]

if there are interactive movies, can't there be less-interactive games?

[@sirocco2810]

The last of us is a movie of a game, still a brilliant game. Let's not bring up part 2.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

@@sirocco2810 Lolz, I never do. But TBH I didn’t care for the first one either. So sue me.

[@LAReyGo]

the first time I Played it, Played it translated and the "Would you Kindly" reveal was translated differently and had no impact, it was only the second time I played it in english that finally made sense XDDDD

[@naico144]

The same happened to me, the translation to Spanish of "Would you kindly" was just a common word that is closer to "can you" or "will you", so the reveal lost all meaning

[@sasir2013]

@@naico144 I actually thought that it was better in spanish. Due to "¿Quieres?" being a more common expression than "would you kindly?" it was more subtle and the reveal had more impact

[@UnicornStorm]

@@naico144 in german he says "wärst du so freundlich" which is a direct translation but sounds a bit more clunky, so it was a bit more obvious (him saying it, not the twist) but also, Atlas sounded a lot nicer and more amicable in german

[@naico144]

@@UnicornStorm I would have never thought that someone would sound amicable in German XD

[@UnicornStorm]

@@naico144 we either sound angry and barbaric or are polite and wellspoken

[@AmaroMalta]

Me: *Press play* Also me: *hugs Big Daddy plush*

[@landismithCOJ]

Thank you kindly for sinning this classic.

[@blackenedwritings]

That opening was a perfect description.

[@ghostydomo9534]

I’ve been waiting so long for this. Thank you😭

[@OversoulGaming]

I really like this one compared to some of your more recent videos. You actually removed sins and most of it felt like tongue-in-cheek nitpicking more so than actual complaints. Good return to form. Please more videos like this. Just please turn on the in-game subtitles in the future. For your hard of hearing fans

[@INSERTNAMExHERE]

I've played this game many times, along with bioshock infinite and it's DLC. And while they do have their ugh wtf moments and parts that make me annoyed to do, i still think they're amazing games. Especially when compared to games of today

[@lukelyon1781]

Other sins I would add are: Doesn't the fact that only someone with Andrew Ryan's DNA can use the revitalization chambers make killing him futile because he'll just be revived? If the plane at the beginning of the game crashed RIGHT OVER Rapture, wouldn't the debris from the plane crash into the dome that covers Rapture and potentially crack the glass, destroying all of Rapture and causing everyone to drown???

[@an-animal-lover]

It's funny cause' that second point you made about the plane crash debris destroying Rapture was exactly what I was thinking as I swam to the lighthouse

[@RealBradMiller]

There is no dome that covers Rapture... What am I missing?! Part of the plane does crash through a tunnel as you are making your way through. You could say other parts caused damage in other parts of Rapture and we just don't know because we didn't see it happen. Yes, killing you is futile! Lol

[@lukelyon1781]

@RealBradMiller dude wtf are you talking about? You literally see it in the game's opening cutscence and you can see it at certain points in the game. The entire city is covered by a giant glass dome. It's even referenced in the lore.

[@RealBradMiller]

@@lukelyon1781 Never seen or heard anything about a dome. Maybe I've been kindly asked to forget such a thing.

[@lukelyon1781]

@@RealBradMiller it's literally in the beginning of the game. You can see the glass when the bathosphere takes you to rapture the first time.

[@PrinceSheogorath]

Bro I just bought all 3 of these on Xbox and I’m gonna 100% them in honor of you. I don’t fuckin care how long it takes and it’s starting 8/11/23. Technically it started 8/10/20 for infinite because I was gameshared it but it was only “complete X area” achievements so as soon as I get to those areas and complete them I’ll count them at this moment

[@RealBradMiller]

Would you kindly tell me how you did? Which was your favorite? What did you think of the DLC?

[@PrinceSheogorath]

@@RealBradMiller so far I’m 80% done with 1, 60ish% done with 2 and a good 90% done with infinite. Just gotta do the blue ribbon shit and I’m not having fun

[@DestripandoVideojuegos]

I love your videos, I don't speak native English, so most of the time, I have to pause the videos and look up the definition of some words in the dictionary, however, I really like your work; I have a channel a little inspired by your work and that of GCN. Greetings from a Venezuelan in Argentina.

[@superderfmen]

Gosh that sounds exhausting! Is it really that worth it to you?

[@DestripandoVideojuegos]

@@superderfmen honestly yes, because it is one of the ways I have to learn English

[@kiwicami287]

Damn kudos to you because he speaks very fast

[@DestripandoVideojuegos]

@@kiwicami287 I good for the listening

[@royalkumar795]

2:02: GCN: attention all developer , this is how you write video game ,simple , easy and no 20 min cut scene before the main game, minus 1 sin 6:53 GCN : Clue # 01 that Atlus is no friend. add 1 sin 17:36 GCN: Goddamnn such brilliant acting , so exception deserve minus 5 sins 19:18 GCN : At last, surprising plot twist is not surprising to anybody who's been paying attention to the clues , sure , It was great plot twist back then 21:49 GCN: classic villain cliché #1. Torturing your enemy instead of outright killing them

[@qibcentricsplayground2043]

GCN's sin was better for this game tbh

[@thegreatnahwhaile]

I think it needs mentioning that a big reason why the sequel was hated by some fans was that there's no twist, but think about all the games looking glass and irrational games made with twists, thief 1 with the trickster, system shock 2 with shodan, bioshock 1 with Fontaine, and lastly bioshock infinite with Comstock and Booker, it makes sense that bioshock 2 has no plot twist because of how often they use them

[@coreymartin6363]

Point of the skyscrapers could be because most of the construction was prefab and, besides assembly, the foundations were the only major thing needed to be done underwater. This would minimize that.

[@talikajr]

Charter a boat and have a reason to get into the ship is exactly what they fixed on bioshock infinite

[@NRB10ful]

Surprised you didn't touch on the idea of rapture itself and how it is the free-market taken to an absolute extreme with the new government body and how quickly it all went to shit

[@UnicornStorm]

he didn't?

[@sirocco2810]

Mentioning Ayn Rand's and her non-existent cognitive abilities covered all that.

[@DShy96]

Still waiting for FF10-2 but this will fill the whole for now

[@superderfmen]

The whole of what?

[@DShy96]

@@superderfmen I meant awhile but it was auto corrected. I just didn't bother changing it since editing your comment is universally hated

[@superderfmen]

@@DShy96 I never understood that. Editing is hated despite their being no good reason to hate it. Especially when you have such incoherent comments sometimes. I have also never heard anyone ever question why I have edited my comment, much less hate on it.

[@DShy96]

@@superderfmen trust me, I stopped questioning the internet ages ago.

[@primmslim3802]

I've completed this game like 9 or 10 times and I never realized that the little sisters were older than jack

[@TheBestGamingCritic]

There's a prequel book about the construction of Rapture that also tells you that Frank Fontaine simply saw what Ryan had and wanted to take it from him. That's what he wanted and then figure out what to do with it later.

[@ExActa]

I am absolutely convinced I've seen you do an episode on this before and now I just question my reality.

[@RyanYeehaw]

Might’ve been GCN?

[@ExActa]

@@RyanYeehaw Nah I don't watch that, I believe now I was thinking of the Kilianexp episode :'D

[@discod992]

Bioshock is in my top 5 games of all time. It's a masterpiece.

[@scorpio0494]

10:00 for some reason, this gave me a flashback to playing fear and hunger, giving the little girl to the pocket cat

[@Spartan8676]

8:45 actually that does sound like something they would do especially in this time period

[@superderfmen]

Man the 1960s were a different time.

[@Spartan8676]

6:05 anyone with a sliver of common sense would know that immortality is a bad thing

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

Especially when there is no price for immortality in the game, unlike in System Shock 2. It means you can keep killing Andrew Ryan and laugh as he respawns for free, forever, to continue the cycle. SS2 made it so you had to pay up 10 nanites just to respawn, which I never bothered to use because I'm a glutton for quickloading.

[@Tedus987]

Why "Would you kindly" is not used to kill jack. The command is weaker the less agreeable it is... jack resisted shooting a puppy...

[@UnicornStorm]

nah, he didn't comply UNTIL Suchong used the trigger-phrase. Jack immediately obeyed him and broke the dogs neck. But yeah, I guess he would be able to resist killing himself, especially since, at this point, he was aware of the trigger

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

UnicornStorm That’s false. Ryan reveals to the player (more specifically Jack since the player is just... Jack) about the phrase “would you kindly” and Jack is still doing everything that Ryan says. And does the same when Atlas commands him to override the city’s self destruct, after being forced to dance for Ryan and kill him (though it’s very possible jack would’ve done this anyways out of self preservation).

[@UnicornStorm]

@@SomeOne-vf1rs still doesn't make it false. Of course the trigger still works but by being aware of it and how it functions, he is more able to fight it and try to break the conditioning. Add to that that self preservation is a pretty strong urge and it makes it more probable for him to resist. Not certain, just probable.

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

UnicornStorm That’s fair. I wish the game went into a little more detail about is the nature of Jack’s conditioning. You have to pick up plasmids to get rid of Code Yellow... so I’m thinking that it’s not just brainwashing, but plasmids that override Jack’s brain and force him to do what Atlas says. Jack can’t even enter an elevator to find Fontaine until the conditioning is undone, aka breaking the spell. If Ryan can make all the splicers in rapture loyal and useful puppets using only pheromones in the air, I’m sure a plasmid given to jack when he was born is very capable of overriding any free will or self preservation.

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

UnicornStorm The second game mentions tonics that make you smarter or sharper, so in-universe there are already applications of ADAM that affect the mind and thinking.

[@Tedus987]

Every atlas trigger phrase sin... Ryan figured it out near the end of his life. If atlas was gun-ho with it he might figure it out near atlas.

[@laynevinzent4031]

This is a bit late and a little bit of a reach, but as to you asking how gas cylinders would make the shotgun better: Gas pressure is a crucial and intrinsic part of how firearms work. It's what propels the projectiles they fire and, in most modern firearms (and a good number of older ones) is what cycles the action to chamber another round and all that. The more gas pressure you got, the faster your projectile comes out. Granted, this does not work in the way the game seems to imply that it does and that wacky device is still nonsensical, but they at least tried.

[@laynevinzent4031]

And to clarify that last bit: the gas pressure is generated by the gunpowder deflagrating inside the cartridge case of a round. The more powder, the more pressure. That gas has to go somewhere, and it will take the path of least resistance, which is to push the bullet out of the cartridge and down the barrel, and the cases usually have a "barrel fit", meaning the gas has no place to go but down the barrel, pushing the round faster and faster, and generating that instantly recognized "BANG". Some of this gas can be filtered through certain ports and tubes to cycle the weapon if it is semiautomatic or automatic, known as a gas blowback system. Some weapons are straight blowback, meaning the opposing force of that gas pressure in the barrel pushes the cartridge case and bolt back hard enough to cycle the weapon, but those sorts of weapons are prone to jamming and other feed issues. Since they are a popular video game staple, I will add this little piece of trivia: Suppressors ("silencers") work by letting a bunch of that gas pressure get filtered into the suppressor and through a series of baffles and sometimes water, then back out in small bits, thus reducing the noise output from the gunshot itself. If used with subsonic ammo, which does not break the sound barrier and make that loud "crack", this greatly reduces the overall noise and distorts the sound in such a manner that it may not immediately be recognized as a gunshot, and may also make it difficult for the target to know exactly where they are being shot at from.

[@anamethatsnottakenalready]

you gotta admit how much work, knowledge and time went into these videos. thank you!

[@CrustlessKing]

Bathyspheres hold more than 1 person, there are cushioned bench seats along the edges obviously intended for multiple passengers to sit, and Rapture in its hayday could have had hundreds of bathyspheres running along various routes interconnecting the stations to keep commuters moving throughout the city. Additionally, nothing in the game says there aren't other modes of public transport in Rapture such as the rail trains we see in 2. And of course there are all those glass pedestrian walkways we see bridging the buildings together. After Rapture start falling apart, some of these passages are blocked/destroyed, and Ryan has locked down the Bathyspheres and Vitachambers with his genetic key.

[@bondedcastaway3085]

I wish the Bossfight had four revitalize chambers inside of it. And the way you actually hurt atlas is by destroying the chamber before he fully respawns inside of it

[@transhumanistgamer8963]

I've seen the Medium appear as a choice over the course of several videos, and so I'm going to vote for it because it seems like you really want to do that one.

[@mistahl5350]

Ryan goes on about how life is returning to Rapture, but is also willing to just destroy it not long after. For a man do dedicated to his project, it sure is expendable to kill his opponents.

[@UnicornStorm]

he was an extremist AND an ideologue

[@nouprajy]

The stuffing every bit of food down his throat was your decision not Jack's, the video shows you while in control of Jack walking up to food, selecting it and choosing to eat it.

[@nouprajy]

You could also have chosen to stay outside the lighthouse and wait for the coast guard or something since you chose to enter.

[@nouprajy]

Jack thawed because winter blast is a timed debuff, that's just core gameplay mechanics right there

[@Terkiaz]

You forgot one more big thing: Big Daddies are the Guardians that follow Little Sisters around. Not once have we seen them take charge or speak or do anything but protect them. At best, they lift them up and put them behind themselves when under fire. And yet somehow, when we put on the suit, they lead us through the exact doors and paths we want, and then hand us their syringe when their part is done? And on top of that, an entire horde of them jumps and kills Atlas, and again, why? They've never tried to protect a Big Daddy before. They've never traveled in groups like that. The entire second half of the game left a really bad taste in my mouth, even though I liked the first half quite a lot

[@jalipeno97]

when it comes to the submarine plothole i like to think of it as ryan thinking that jack is about to leave rapture and tell the world about the place, so he blows up the sub, which may leave jack in the city, but prevents him from spreading the word

[@Eternal420ninja]

Weird thing, this video is making a loud high pitched hum when you speak while playing it thru my car speakers. It made it impossible to listen to fully while driving but I can’t hear it thru my phone speakers. Nothing crazy, but maybe it’s something to check in the next recording. Love your work man, it’s not enough to keep me away

[@SyndicateOperative]

I'd like to thank you for understanding the connection between system shock & bioshock. I mean, it's in the name, so it's obvious, but you'd be surprised how many people I've talked to about it become incredulous if I mention the idea.

[@destproductions9094]

Bioshock is the game I loved the most, I also have a wooden big daddy and as I saw this I screamed:" YOU DON'T DO THIS TO ME"

[@MonstrumAsylum]

7:03 My guess on how the plasmids vary from different powers is that they use cells from different organisms like mammals, insects, and sea creatures that gives humans the abilities Such examples are likely Electro bolt roots likely from electric Eels Swarm roots from DNA of a queen bee having the worker bees to protect you Incinerate likely roots from the powers of a Bombardier beetles Sonic boom is likely rooted from the pistol shrimp

[@ZShogan]

Bombardier beetles do not summon fireballs at will. It releases hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide from two sperate reservoirs into an enzyme filled chamber, causing them to react and form water and 1,4-Benzoquinone. The resulting mixture is less than 100°C. It is not fire.

[@smugbowkid9919]

You can like something and still point out it’s flaws. Also the fact that there were so little real things wrong with this game shows how good this game is.

[@kneeofjustice9619]

This really resonates with me. Like it’s hard to point out the flaws in things I love because everyone either thinks I hate it or have bad taste.

[@venomsnekko]

This channel is now my comfort zone on KZbin.

[@nathanvosburgh718]

one thing that kinda bugged me was that the plane crashed over the Atlantic near the lighthouse now if im not mistaken Atlantic waters are really cold so wouldnt have Jack frozen to death in the water?

[@robertmurdock1848]

Jack is genetically enhanced , he recovers from being frozen rather quickly later in the game , too.

[@nathanvosburgh718]

@@robertmurdock1848 true but still when the city went to shit and started to flood with all that cold water i still wonder about the people if they froze to death by the cold water

[@user-Jay178]

I love the bioshock series and love you video game sin videos. Great video

[@Nekucloud]

This game is still one of the best games of all time, and in my opinion is the only good Bioshock game I'll happily replay again and again!!!😁

[@TheUmaricanDream]

why did you think infinite was bad?

[@itskira1702]

@@TheUmaricanDream the story and atmosphere is really good but the gameplay is like call of duty

[@letsBrn]

@@TheUmaricanDream infinite just isn't good. Art direction was stunning but everything else was kinda "meh".

[@EmptyAltruism]

Yeah, maybe it was that they went too cerebral with the story, or maybe it’s because the plot was spoiled for me before I played it, but infinite just lacked the same punch that bioshock1 had. The art was gorgeous but the gameplay felt kind of repetitive and railroady. Also might be because I played them in order and was getting a bit fatigued with the formula by the time I got to Infinite….

[@davidjsaul]

Still can't believe Ryan is voiced by Quark 😂

[@GeorgAnkar]

I'd like to see a Game Sins video about System Shock 2 - my second favorite game of all times! (The first being Thief: the Dark Project)

[@friedrichderhohevonweedman6093]

7:01 Honestly don't see the Sin for the Plasmids being able to shoot fireballs and elektroshocks. The story states via audiodiaries that they were intended as weapons to sell to take advantage of the Civil War in their current form. You can very well assume that they started out as near harmless, the Fire Plasmid for example just being capable of lighting a cigarette or starting the Fireplace while Elektrobolt being only usable to start up generators and such. THe reason that you pretty much only find Plasmids geared for war is that Rapture has been in a Civil War for quite some time now.

[@BooBaddyBig]

I don't think Ryan actually blows up the submarine, it must be Atlas, since he has motive to do that, because he doesn't want his non existent family ruse to be uncovered. Ryan never actually says he did that at all, only Atlas claims it, which is easy to do.

[@LJAndrews1986]

I'm a simple man, this legend uploads and I click.

[@JakeTylenol]

He’s just a KZbinr man

[@LJAndrews1986]

No shit dude 🤣

[@revertedakali8551]

cringe

[@LJAndrews1986]

Wow thank you for adding your valuable insight pal

[@revertedakali8551]

Anytime dude

[@LeftoversGone]

babe wake up dartigan posted

[@themister.s-1st]

20:30: At least it is true, that man has no control. Not even over his own will…….

[@conlooka9356]

Wait, If only people with AR's genetics can use the vita chambers, then how can Delta use them in 2?

[@RealBradMiller]

Eleanor fed your DNA into the vita-chamber system. I am playing and just accidentally harvested a little sister after getting her to harvest Adam... Gutted!!

[@gozzythebat]

Whenever I hear Andrew Ryan all I picture is General Skarr from Evil Con Carne 😆

[@egalitarius8582]

The ending of 2 was powerful.

[@kingin2244]

Game sins would you kindly offer us everything wrong with bioshock 2 next *andrew ryan voice over*

[@SuperDead82]

a plane crash can be count as a random event no one knew would happen jack arriving on a boat would somehow make andrew ryan to realize somthing is up

[@superderfmen]

That’s actually a really good point. I mean if Andrew Ryan knew the plane crash happened then certainly he would know of a boat coming.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

@@superderfmen Fair point, though it still doesn't explain how Jack outright survives the crash when everyone else dies.

[@superderfmen]

@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 You know, I just thought of this. We don’t see any bodies from the plane crash. Maybe jack executed them all so there wouldn’t be any survivors. Then again we would see them in the broken part of the plane later in the prologue. You know, the one that crashes into the glass tunnels.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

@@superderfmen While Jack doing that wouldn't make sense, I do have to agree that there should've been a body or two around to show that you were stupidly lucky. Or maybe a body next to the sparking ruins of a turret to show that any other survivors might've been gunned down by Ryan to prevent intrusion.

[@superderfmen]

@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 ngl I was just playing borderlands 2 and thought you were one of my old comments of when I played the pre sequel on ps3. Man what a coincidence that would be if it was referring to handsome Jack.

[@Ponera-Sama]

I understand why you needed to reveal that Jack was brainwashed at the start of the video so the rest of your reasoning can make sense, but why did you have to also reveal that Atlas is Fontaine while you said this? You could have just called him Atlas and at worst just say he's Fontaine when it becomes relevant.

[@williamreely3455]

"Everything Wrong With Bioshock" [The entire gaming community hated that]

[@louisduarte8763]

20:33 Smoking in a medical lab? With children present? What kind of doctor are you, lady? But, yeah, I don't get mute player characters nowadays. Dr. Gordon Freeman's the only one I give a pass to, now.

[@Alloveck]

I definitely never liked the need for Eve, or Salts for that matter. Upgrading your DNA to have super powers seems like a cool idea not just for the powers, but for those powers being an innate part of you, as opposed to achieving the same normally impossible feats via technological devices. Otherwise, how are fire powers any better than having a flamethrower if the fire powers also need an external fuel source? Whether I'm looking at this from an in-universe perspective or simply as someone playing the game, needing a fuel source makes plasmids/vigors so much less cool. And beside that, the in-game advertisements for plasmids/vigors all make it seem like anyone who has them can use them freely without need for fuel, and enemies who have them can clearly use them infinitely. It just doesn't feel like Eve is anything anyone but the player needs. So I prefer to believe that Eve and Salts are just a game design abstraction, and in "reality" plasmids/vigors actually just require some degree of generic physical exertion.

[@nickmattio3397]

Atlas grew a God complex, what happens when you give someone some power, they crave more power, and when they get more power, they crave ALL the power. “Who Said Rapture Was Andrew’s Forever?!? He Was Just Getting It Ready Me! HAHAHA!!!”-Atlas

[@felixcorona13]

Finding logic in a fictional world....that's why I love this channel 🥰

[@boxxboyy3879]

Finally. Been waiting on this one lol Lost it at the Epstein joke.

[@kylonbell123]

That JE joke was gold👌

[@coconuthead1361]

First sin had me laughing out loud. Good stuff.