GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With L.A. Noire

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L.A. Noire is a hard game to sin. Not because it is without them, but because they are buried in a sea of details and scrunched up faces that digging them out took forever. But I'm a good sin detective so here are the sins of L.A. Noire.
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[@jameswest6232]

Honestly, I would have loved it if Phelps' affair was actually just a frame job by Roy taking advantage of Phelps tailing Elsa to her apartment for the investigation. Up until Phelps floundering excuses with his wife, I actually thought that was what was going to happen since it was so underdeveloped

[@1ofthe7dwarfs]

Same here the first time playing through the game I just thought the whole affair was a set up job

[@pkingglazersout6665]

Same the way he was portrayed up till then made me think this was all just a misunderstanding but when he didn't disagree to those claims I was shocked in a way, disappointed too.

[@forgetit9421]

When he was tailing her first I thought he would question her more, or make an argument about "making the world better" and get some character development and maybe some backstory for elsa, even if he got with her, more scenes of the interacting and connecting would make a huge difference

[@Univer3eTwist3ers]

Phelps should've framed his wife for all those fires in the most sigma male move

[@DestinyKiller]

I totally thought it was going to be a red herring, too

[@samuelbrunkow7737]

"such as a lack of search warrants or attorneys when it comes to interrogations" It's set in 1940s LA. The Warren Court was in the 1960s. A SHITLOAD of legal protections we now take for granted just didn't exist back then.

[@samuelbrunkow7737]

Warrants are mentioned in 4A, but for the longest time 4A only applied to the Federal Government. And practically speaking, a lot of this stuff got ignored when you were dealing with the young, poor, uneducated, immigrants, or people of color.

[@GAshoneybear]

Yeah when I mentioned that on twitch it got ignored.

[@Cruddy129]

@@GAshoneybear Pretty much confirming that Dartigan never listens to criticism when we catch on his mistakes

[@nathanmeagher7869]

@@samuelbrunkow7737 yeah imagine how much cops get caught lying and realize how much tech we have to catch them lying didn't exist in 1947. The only narrative was the cops' narrative unless the cops were so incompetent to be bastards in front of everyone

[@zombieslayer2016]

Clearly something existed back then as the game makes a point to mention and at least a couple times even if it does get hand-waved

[@naughtycicero1460]

To be honest, having the final boss fight be a lawyer would’ve been hilarious. Especially if it went Ace Attorney on us.

[@miraculousmememaker2986]

Lmao final boss, Phoenix Wright

[@a1kev]

The final boss: *Binger* too ez

[@avocadothecat]

omg yes xD

[@brettwallace7687]

Call it a hunch, but I think Dartigan wants us to follow him on twitch.

[@arid1233]

Only around a hundred people watch him on twitch. Of course he’s going to promote his twitch channel

[@MrDalisclock]

But then I'd have to watch twitch.....

[@MTdaBlacking]

"That's absurd! You've got no evidence to prove that statement!" -Dartigan

[@CareBonezy]

I follow him on Twitch, his streams have been hilarious so far.

[@stuartdollar9912]

@@MrDalisclock Therein lies the problem.

[@boonies4u]

Check cashing places aren't banks. They're typically for people who don't have bank accounts.

[@Bound4Earth]

I was thinking the exact same thing, when he claimed they were called banks. I was like... He couldn't be that ignorant, how does he not know that check cashing places exist, just to cash checks?

[@megadeth-1a885]

Yeah the guy has no clue such places exist. Must be nice to never had money problems in life.

[@jamesondrums7355]

When you realise the scripts are written, and read, by rich kids. Who don't seem to do much if any basic research on their critiques.

[@mojabaka]

@@Bound4Earth Maybe he‘s from a country where they don‘t exist. They sure as hell don‘t exist in my country. I actually never heard about checks in teal life ever, I only heard about them from American movies.

[@megadeth-1a885]

@@mojabaka I don't think so. Hardly matters he is sinning a place in the USA. So he did no research. But i think he's from the US or Canada regardless.

[@IDK_James]

45:12 I mean that’s kinda of element of noir films, with the protagonist failing in their goals

[@essidus]

The shoe size thing drove me insane. Like, it was a cute bit of paranoia to find another guy with the same shoe size, but basically every shoe you look at has a size 8, which ends up making it really pointless.

[@jameswest6232]

Also gets dumb when even the game points out that size 8 is significantly smaller than average for an adult man. Seriously, where was the sin about the astronomical odds of half a dozen being connected to the case and ALL of them having baby-feet?

[@Cmbtsnpr]

This is only an issue if you assume it's coincidence, but it isn't. Mason has size 8 feet. He's a serial killer, and a clever and well-planned one at that. He only kills women that have men in their lives that have his shoe size and a shaky alibi on the night he kills them so that he can frame them for it.

[@Danofcanada]

Like Dartigan, I was noticing all the inconsistencies such as that and were never addressed. I was good at this game because of Phoenix Wright of all things.

[@kanabis134]

@@Cmbtsnpr if you review who exactly he frames, this plot makes even less sense since to know and frame those fellas he needed to be omnipresent and deity-like. The whole subplot is incredibly poor and r3tаrded

[@matthewgilbreath7312]

One guy had size 11 that was the 1st guy to the wife in the beginning of The Homicide Desk. The Red Lipstick Murder. Wife Celine Henry & Husband Poor Long Suffering Jacob Henry. Then Celine's Side Piece/Dude Alonzo Mendez.

[@juniorjunior5884]

"Get back in there and raise some lumps boy! I need a confession!"

[@WSFMontana]

Yeah, that one line still makes me laugh to this day 😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@souloftherisingsun8274]

Best character in the game

[@WitchingHourInOsaka]

Yeah, the bad guys won. Welcome to Film Noir.

[@Kumo5980]

Yeah it’s dark to think for a rockstar game because if I look at it correctly gta V optional final mission death actually tied up loose ends even red dead did that although in all fairness Jack seeking revenge is satisfying but it really makes you think of the consequences of killing an retiree agent🤔

[@9696gamer]

It's almost as if these videos are entirely subjective and not really criticising the game in any serious manner. One could go so far as to call it satire.

[@ryansmuda6753]

It’s mostly just a joke, he’ll go “that’s why this game is bad” and then 5 later minutes will remove a sin and say “the reason I love this game”

[@jobrakai9395]

I hate this game

[@AC-hj9tv]

fr

[@DavidElkind42]

11:15 Dartigan's never heard of a Check Cashing Place

[@djmindcrasher]

I wouldn't hear it neither, checks are things of the past in my country.

[@dondadabih1389]

@@djmindcrasher well it’s a good thing it’s set in 1940?????

[@drewengel7073]

Your ideas on the 5th Amendment would not be applicable to the game in the time period it is set in there were no Miranda Rights, search warrants were not used that often, and pleading the 5th is only possible in trial. The game makes use of these facts to make it an easier game to play with you not having to wait for search warrants to search places or question people. Also the use of forensics was not largely in practice at the time which one can see if they look at the Black Dalia case, which is part of the game.

[@No_nameOG]

Yes, exactly! Many cases from this time period went unsolved specifically because of a lack of procedures that would preserve evidence. In one case that I remember reading about, the media showed up to the crime scene first and took evidence while trampling all over taking pictures. Journalists would even answer the phone in the police station!

[@Kommiekiller]

Dartigan is really like cinemasins, he does 0 research and sins whatever he feels like in the most retarded way

[@nybxcrotona]

@@Kommiekiller I give cinemasins a pass here because they intentionally dgaf, which is fine. I hold everybody else on point with knowing the details of whatever they sin, because they're presented more as pointing out inconsistencies over being jokey about what they don't like.

[@JThePervertedSummoner]

@mrcristofer 2013 It pretty much tells you that by the people asking for a warrant and the detectives interrogating, breaking in and searching whatever they want without one

[@Bound4Earth]

Right, the fact that he ignores the 1950s era and pretends like it was no different then 2010/2020. I was looking forward to a good picking apart, but one of his sins was literally Check cashing place, you mean bank... This man doesn't know that check cashing places exist. You could remove at least have of this sins if not more because he just tears at surface level shit and ignores parts of the story to make other sins exist. For example, the killer was sabotaging some of the places where the clues were hidden, he missed that part in the story and talks about Cole not being Indiana Jones, like wtf are you talking about. They clearly called the clues a test and it started with a rigged chandelier. This game has so many flaws, but this video was infuriating because he glanced over a lot of them to talk about stuff that should have been included like police brutality. At least half of his sins can be explained and easily taken away.

[@BNumbersStation]

I find it odd that Dartigan says that this game isn't a Noire story, but in such stories that use cops and detectives as characters it's a story where the rules don't really apply to them. Cole routinely breaks rules to solve his cases. If he did any of this in real life even in the 40s he would've been kicked off the force, if not sent to prison. It is a Noire story in that regard. Cole is an example of a common Noire architype of the quick witted loose cannon who always gets his man by not playing by the rules (not having warrants, questioning without an attorney present, etc.).

[@CT_Phipps]

Honestly, I don't think so given the amount of police brutality and corruption that was actually true during that time period. The cops got away with a lot of beating of suspects, framing, persecution of minorities, and other activities. The game doesn't really exaggerate it for its time period.

[@stuartdollar9912]

@@CT_Phipps If anything, it soft pedals it. James Ellroy and Joseph Wambaugh made long-lived, successful writing careers out of exploiting the corruption and brutality of the LA PD, and they were hardly alone at it.

[@avian12311]

I absolutely love this game! Fingerprinting (and the "real detectives" part got this wrong too) wasn't a thing for decades later, so evidence could usually be handled with bare hands. Wearing gloves at a crime scene was done more for hygeine than data collection anyway.

[@Jwatchdizzledrip3003]

@ Porras It’s like he doesn’t understand basic time period answers, like does he really think a game set in a period that was 71 years has any detective bearing before now??? Damn I know this is for comedy but his other sins videos are better at sinning.. guess he don’t like time era accurate games..

[@arshadzaidi4667]

@@Jwatchdizzledrip3003 But its still inconsistent because they reference that fingerprints were removed with gasoline, meaning that the game is saying that fingerprints ARE relevant in that time period.

[@kanabis134]

Except fingerprinting existed for decades at this period and they totally had a register. The game even refers to it by stating that BD killed soaked the letter in gasoline to erase the prints.

[@Tanglenose1]

Tsk, didn't even take a sin off for Cole pulling his gun on Roy and screaming at him

[@darrennew8211]

I was infuriated that I found that gun at the beginning on the roof before seeing the reflection in the window, and it wouldn't let me pick it up or anything. I had to go back down and wander around until I saw the reflection, *then* I could progress the story, which was blocked before then because I wasn't as clueless as Cole.

[@justicedunham4088]

There is a chance the “MPs” are not actually military. Just yesterday, I was talking to a former Air Force MP and he said that the most secure locations on base usually use private security rather than military personnel.

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

I propose a drinking game based around every time D says "L.A. Noyer". 😉

[@StephenCena]

OMG it's driving me CRAZY

[@StephenCena]

and "Vij in ettes" at the 8:15 mark. It's "vin yets"

[@jbiehlable]

It's Juicehead all over again.

[@jamesc2763]

There also weren't any abortion clinics in 1948. No LEGAL clinics, anyway, hence the term abortion clinic wouldn't be used This would ironically come into play in LA in 1949 with the disappearance of Jean Spangler, a case that actually may have been related to the BD killing. Instead, Bondi decided to mix in the Cleveland Torso murders

[@Moshuun]

11:17. No, it's called a check cashing place. Literally. lol.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

I'm glad someone else knows what these are. They are literally just places to cash checks lol. Game Sins guy must be too young to remember them, or he grew up in a neighborhood that didn't have them.

[@williameedubsix]

@@Seoul_Soldier too rich to need them

[@DmanDice]

@@williameedubsix Yeah. Those are usually in inner city urban areas. I didnt step foot in a bank until I was about 20 lol

[@Zynet_Eseled]

@@Seoul_Soldier I presume then that nowadays, those cash checking locations have been merged in with banks.

[@darionblack4434]

@@Zynet_Eseled nah there’s plenty of check cashing places in my state still

[@Grantofglyn]

21:48 for a second it looks like Sheldon's head gets inflated when he responds

[@evryfckinnameistaken]

Lol that facial capture tech was really fancy in 2011 but it did look extremely awkward at times

[@Grantofglyn]

@@evryfckinnameistaken I remember it looking creepily real and it is still quite impressive in it's ways but "experimental" should definitely be one of the keywords lol

[@Leechwife]

So.. I've played this once on PS3 and I never talked to the bartender. In the end I was like who the fuck is this guy. Overall the game is alright but I was very confused at times and my face detection skills were crap to say the least.

[@zakrowe1301]

Pretty sure that cutscene automatically happens

[@vargknight]

Straight off, I would hardly say L.A Noire is "largely forgotten about" it still sells moderately well to this day. Also, for quite a few of these scenes you seem to be rather naïve about how much oversight there was for how the police acted. In the 1940's, even right up until the 1980's, (and some might argue even still now) the police were very much able to get away with things like having no warrant or beating suspects in custody. It wasn't like today where you have people within the police force itself that ensure those kind of things are complied with.

[@SorryFace]

To be fair. His complaint isn’t solely that they break procedure and the law, it’s that there are seemingly no consequences. In the real world, even at that time, if an attorney made an argument in court based on a serious breach of the law and/or a defendant’s rights, it could get the whole case thrown out. Attorneys were still zealous advocates, even back then.

[@jlev1028]

"Unlike today's police" *insert murders of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc*

[@mappingshaman5280]

@@jlev1028 the killer of geroge floyd is currently rotting in prison. You can't say justice wasn't given for that.

[@ChaoticVampire]

@@mappingshaman5280 lol this didnt age well, also yipee ONE crooked murdering cop got sentenced out of hundreds.

[@user-hx9po6ft5j]

This had lots of potential, needs a sequel. If it they removed the open world & made it scripted non linear levels it would drastically improve

[@TheStormbringer8751]

Now ask yourself, in the decade since this game was released, have we decreased or INFINITELY INCREASED the number of open world and sandbox games?

[@LucMantique]

@@TheStormbringer8751 We have to thank Ubisoft for creating the trend of mass producing pointless open world games without any depth whatsoever. And microtransactions too.

[@johnriley4425]

I say keep the open world and fill it with more stuff to do. Random encounters rdr2 style and what not. Make it a TRUE open world

[@jobrakai9395]

The sequel should have a better story and better main character

[@visassess8607]

The development was an absolute mess. The game director was a petty asshole.

[@TrippleBPlays]

I really like L.A. Noire. The cases and facial animations were good to me. I had fun replaying and getting the Platinum trophy in it on PS4.

[@ArcaneSorceror]

This game was rough, it has interesting ideas with the tech they were trying to develop, but Cole Phelps clearly has bi-polar disorder, and apparently short term memory problems. Hardly a promising set of flaws for a police detective.

[@jameswest6232]

Honestly... having "bi-polar disorder and short term memory problems" as a canon part of his character would have been a funny way of explaining why he makes so many dumb mistakes.

[@LeeEverett1]

I always got a kick out of doubting someone just because of how bat shit crazy Cole would be

[@Leechwife]

Cole making an all of a sudden aggressive comment just to say "I'm sorry, it was a mistake, carry on."... Okay...

[@Bound4Earth]

Yeah Brendan McNamara thinks he is a genius writer and it shows in the story full of massive holes. Hell it shines down on everything that piece of shit did when he ran Team Bondi into the ground.

[@brandonpartain10]

Gamespot actually wrote an article that shows how Cole passes the personality test for a psychopath. I have no idea how to post links on KZbin but you can just search “is Cole Phelps a psychopath” and find it

[@Xander77Ru]

"This noir plot ends with the bad guys winning" - oh yeah, that's definitely a sin.

[@Serpentar9000]

Everybody's gangsta until some mean dude in fedora and a 3-piece suit comes up and says "Hey,is that a size 8 shoes you're wearing?"

[@Callum-M.]

Luckily my size is 11

[@pranavvarma5097]

Dartigan is the KZbinr who uploads a video that I watch, and then forget about until I get a pleasant surprise in the form of a notification from him

[@queltanis93]

Giving subtlety backhanded praise *ding*

[@thatguy4995]

that describes almost every video I watch.

[@WSFMontana]

Facts

[@pastorgainz7230]

Funniest thing is he weren't joking L.A NOIRE is legit under the adventure genre

[@brianrecinos3914]

30:46: Candy wasn't shot, she was stabbed. The gunshot you heard was from Candy packing a small revolver.

[@dawnthemoonchild5409]

24:39 that's implied to be where Mason drained the blood from The Black Dahlia, it doesn't have anything to do with his other victims.

[@tomascasterwell2279]

This game taught me that mostly all serial killers or murders have size 8 shoes. Minus 3 sins for wrecking the traitor from Vices car.

[@haziqtheunique]

The only real hangup I have with the game is Cole being demoted because he cheated on his wife. In addition to the aforementioned lack of development between Elsa & Cole... it was also the late 40's, post WW2. There were way more important things happening at the time. No one would care about some cop committing infidelity.

[@jameswest6232]

It's sort of implied that the affair is exaggerated by the higher ups to better smear Phelps and adultery technically was a criminal offense in the 40s. The demotion was both to take him off Vice and bury the investigation and try and keep him out of the way until the trial and they could properly fire him

[@sebastianalhares]

@@jameswest6232 Considering it is one the major plotpoints, maybe they should have done a bit more than just implying it.

[@CT_Phipps]

Every cop probably cheated on his wife there. It was just that Cole got caught (by the cops).

[@Xander77Ru]

A demotion sorta makes sense. Using him to cover up other issues doesn't, as the game never establishes him as a celebrity cop the papers would give a shit about, certainly to that extent. And as to other police officers treating as a pariah and refusing to shake his hand over infidelity... yeah. That's probably a leftover of when the script had Cole framed for the Morphine heist (mostly a theory, there's not like an interview from a developer that confirms that)

[@nt3753]

u miss elasa character she is a) german b) a drug addict Anti german resentiments were big in the 40s and he could support her addiction by stealing drugs while on duty (happend in reality) . THose things would make him a risk at vice so getting rid of him is sensical

[@jessicaybarra535]

The bathtub was a nod to the black dahilia killing. It was believed her blood was drained in a tub and then later moved to the field.

[@Death0Row]

Love this game,still hoping for a sequel.

[@evryfckinnameistaken]

there was supposed to be a game similar to it set in china but it got scrapped or something

[@pretends2know]

If I remember correctly, the studio that Rockstar sub contracted to help with this game went belly up a few years ago, so any sequel has been abandoned.

[@andrewscheelar9656]

@@pretends2know true but rockstar did purchase the rights to it and took over development when it went into development hell.

[@abdulhaseebqadri9122]

How many games that say "it's a interactive movie" but sometimes the choices don't matter

[@Bound4Earth]

Or in this game, none of them matter, unless a star rating is included in that. Nothing in the game changes based on any choice made.

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

Red dead redemption 2.

[@ma70er]

7:31 For a game that prides itself on sticking close to police procedure there are some curious admissions. Omissions?

[@mjf2891]

He means adding things that shouldn’t be there that violate police protocol

[@No_nameOG]

This game takes place in the 1950s, so arguing that no one invokes their 5th Amendment rights is historically ignorant. Miranda v Arizona wasn’t argued until the 60s. Prior to Miranda, not many people outside of the court system knew their rights, so Police took all the advantages they could. That overreach is specifically why Miranda became a thing. ALL Police from this time period were prone to violating people’s rights, and getting away with it. There were very little legal protections for average civilians, and God help you if you weren’t White and was a suspect (again, the exact reason for the Miranda case-Hispanic dude was falsely accused, denied an attorney, and wrongly convicted on a coerced confession). As far as the historical context of the Police actions you see, they pretty much nailed it.

[@No_nameOG]

Also, taking evidence, or searching without a warrant is still a common problem. Police will just break in, claiming that they may have heard a cry for help, or claim that they saw evidence of an ongoing crime through the window, both of which would render said evidence legally admissible. It’s still a thorny issue in Criminal Justice. Look up Plain View doctrine and compare it to Fruit of the Poisonous Tree.

[@jbiehlable]

*1947

[@No_nameOG]

@@jbiehlable oh, ok. 1947. I wouldn’t know since I haven’t played the game. I based what I said on the attire and vehicles in the game. I was off by 3 years. And?

[@jbiehlable]

@@No_nameOG No need to get pissy over someone correcting you....and you were being historically ignorant yourself...but since you haven't played the game, I'll let slide. Have a good day, No Name.

[@fieryrebirth]

Wait, that kind of society was different from the present?

[@zakrowe1301]

La noire might be my favourite game of all time, this is gonna be a tough watch lol

[@Intentionallyfrogged]

damn and its 45 minutes too😂😂

[@salvadorherrera709]

@@Intentionallyfrogged I ain’t even notice

[@frostdemen1]

I actually like how they mixed the dlc cases in now, I have to admit I haven't played this version yet but in the original it just didn't make sense to me that I would want to go back to the other desks for them after finishing the story

[@Dark_Mishra]

I liked when remasters do that too. I think what would’ve fixed his complaints about them in this game is that some of them should have remained optional while others seemed to be very poorly placed in the campaign. That last DLC case being shoehorned in during the game’s finale definitely feels out of place.

[@DisneyLuver97]

I’m mad there was no comment on the fact that Coles kids didn’t come to his funeral.

[@Henlak-]

45min of Dartigan? Must be christmas

[@galvatron3214]

The woman who played Margaret Green played one of Carmella's friends in The Soprano's. I also know that Chinatown and LA Confidential played noticeable influences in this movie.

[@archstanton9073]

Check-cashing places aren't necessarily banks. There are places (usually in poor areas of cities and towns) that just cash checks.

[@DmanDice]

he's probably a rich kid.

[@iamnothuman5066]

Every time you make these videos I either replay or buy and play the game so thank you for being right most of the time

[@kidflashiv]

Real question is why did every husband act real suspicious or did real suspicious things, even though they were innocent?

[@WSFMontana]

Some real life for you. Most people dont like being accused of something they did but ALOT of people make themselves look guilty even if they're innocent

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

@@WSFMontana nah its just to confuse the player with a possible red-haring.

[@WSFMontana]

@@edgarallanpwned6666 ohhhhhh. Shit I've never even played this game lol, but I always wanted to be a detective...... When i was younger tha is

[@terminallumbago6465]

Because the serial killer framed people who the evidence would point right towards, usually the victims’ spouses or other people they had tumultuous relationships with. Those suspects knew the evidence pointed right at them (even though they were innocent) and they were understandably nervous. At least one of them openly said that they knew the detectives wouldn’t believe them.

[@philiphall3626]

Fucking hell, even just attempting to sin, Dartigan now takes a 5 minute monologue on each one.

[@OversoulGaming]

I miss when he was more like CinemaSins. I don't know why he changed his style from self-aware satire into cynical bitching but it has definitely hurt the quality of the content

[@philiphall3626]

@@OversoulGaming Definitely agree with that.

[@Shantae1188]

@@OversoulGaming I personally think this content is better

[@t.v.rockwell4504]

@@Shantae1188 I do too, but sometimes he could follow the Kevin idea of "Why use lot words when few words do trick?"

[@OversoulGaming]

@@Shantae1188 Some people prefer true pessimism over tongue-in-cheek comedy I guess. But I don't see how, all he does is complain anymore. He barely removes sins either. He's ruined the whole point of this. It's supposed to be funny and stupid not serious. Ever since Kingdom Hearts though he's kind of turned into a crotchety old grouch and all he ever does now is complain

[@Captain_Midnight]

I know this game is fiction, but seriously, what's with the historical mix up? The box says this is late 1930's Los Angeles, but obviously Cole was in WW2 which started in mid 1930's and ended in 1945 and everyone acts like it's the 50's, yet you never see a car in the game past 1938

[@jbiehlable]

*1940's You misread the box.

[@jlev1028]

"Mid-30s"? You mean 1939. Or do you think the Italian invasion of Ethiopia was the technical start of the war?

[@jbiehlable]

@@jlev1028 Speaking of Historical Mix-up.

[@Captain_Midnight]

@@jlev1028 that's when the Americans joined the war, the war was already going on before we got involved Edit: my bad, I stand corrected

[@brendencroup8310]

Sin no. 28, “a check-cashing place is called a bank”- there are non-bank businesses that cash checks, Western Union is one example, but saying “check cashing place” avoids having to pay WU for the rights.

[@DmanDice]

in most hoods and in some citties there are many places simply named "check cashing". We call them "check cashing places". Think Dominos Pizza vs Tony's Pizzeria

[@poodlemeister22314]

Was Dartigan purposefully mispronouncing words to elicit a reaction or was he just slipping up? *scans face for clues*

[@victorwagner2423]

(X) Doubt

[@Callum-M.]

*A C C U S E*

[@TheDennys21]

@@Callum-M. you got proof?

[@daniel280699]

3:28 Back in that timeline Dna was not that big of a deal. Dna finger printes was first a big deal in 1986 in our time world, so it makes sense that Cole and the others do what they does.

[@queltanis93]

1902 first time fingerprinting was used 1910 first forensic lab O.o js

[@RavensSoTired4081]

Some of that is true but back then cops used hankys or gloves to pick things up, no cop picked something up with there bare hands

[@RavensSoTired4081]

@@queltanis93 no it want dna didnt not exist in cases until the 80s try looking it up before making a fool out of yourself on KZbin

[@queltanis93]

@@RavensSoTired4081 Alright who said anything about DNA? it wasn't me, and it wasn't Dartigan either so not sure where(perhaps my initial comment should have been, Nobody said anything about fingerprinting) .Doing more digging i realized i was wrong on the year, it was 1892 in Argentina the first time fingerprinting was used in a criminal murder case. And if you want the first USA use of fingerprints in a court of law was Thomas Jennings's. but hey what's an educated fool on KZbin know? PS. at least this fool uses spell check before commenting, js

[@DeadPizza]

@@queltanis93 uhm one of these things is not like the other

[@alexahegao842]

34:00 How is that a sin, that's literally what's happening in the scene

[@churchquinones6066]

It gives away a plot twist

[@R1ckDeckard]

I was surprised you didn't sin the moment when Argentinian diplomat calls Cole a mad man. Aaron Station famously was in "Mad Men". Great video, as usual. Greetings from Poland

[@TheDennys21]

Why would he sin that? It's awesome, a win not a sin.

[@leafyisqueer7155]

I feel this game could be excellently re done if they actually fleshed out the world full RdR2 style and you had all sorts of places to go and things to do in down time where you could run into side story's and additional investigations and encounter random crimes you stop and report, and explore the stories of all the people in the city working like an actual noire investigator

[@Zack97.]

I've been looking forward to this day since I found this channel, this is gonna be great! (L.A. Noire is easily one of my favourite games so this should be great.)

[@Kvs-vf9nt]

I like the game too men. It's something different, and it's fun especially the homicide cases.

[@Cman04092]

Damn, I gotta sin you man! Im sinning you for arbitrarily sining the girl who mentioned a check cashing place downtown. Check cashing places are different from banks. Banks do cash checks, but so do payday loan places like republicash for a fee, and people generally refer to them as check cashing places. People who don't have a bank account generally use these places. Yeah, some silly people still don't trust banks and would rather stockpile cash on them or at their house where it can be lost, damaged, stolen, or their house can catch on fire and they lose the cash.

[@wetube6513]

Theres 0 difference.

[@Cman04092]

There is 0 difference between a bank and a payday loan place? Are you smoking crack? Lol.

[@Hippyhop888]

There could have been a robbery desk in this game and we didn't get it? :(

[@jessicastrike5640]

Can you sin the Saboteur? It’s honestly one of my favourite games

[@MMORPGFreaky]

Imagine a second one .. the game is so fkn good

[@thoohtofficial3132]

Shit that’s the first time I see someone mention the saboteur. Honestly one of the best games I’ve ever played

[@quesocfh6080]

yeah that was a great one! soundtrack was really good as well.

[@terminallumbago6465]

@@thoohtofficial3132 I would love a remaster of that.

[@LeeEverett1]

I really want another game like this set in the same era, LA in the 1950s is just an awesome setting to roam around in.

[@Usagi393]

It is the 40s. They may legitimately not know their constitutional right to shut up 😂

[@ninjalivesmatterprogod1144]

I love this game

[@bchtvbigcheese9307]

Same

[@tristanjones7682]

One of the funniest moments in this game would be when cole gets clotheslined and screams despite not falling off the building!

[@catdogfan732]

Not to go down a historical tangent but the invasion of Manchuria wasn’t the inciting incident for the American embargo of Japan as it was already a Japanese puppet in the early 1930’s. Apparently it was the Japanese invasion of Indochina (Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia) was the final reason for the embargo (although obviously Japanese expansion in general was a major factor as well) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

[@louisduarte8763]

@@ivanasukjadic1423 Like how the Soviet Union "liberated" Eastern Europe from Nazi control and set up Communist puppet states there?

[@gordonpeterson678]

It would be better if Phelps was a corrupt cop, like Roy. I was prepared to go with Fontaine and Monroe's plans.

[@v0rtexbeater]

On the first sin Cyberpunk 2077 is named after the original Cyberpunk 2020 board game, so in this particular case the genre is named after the game.

[@SuperWiggler]

Noire existed long before this game did.

[@LucMantique]

I actually like 'Nicholson Electroplating' case. Not only it's based on a real life incident, but it's the most interesting case in the game. Plus, Arson lacks some cases that needed to flesh out the story better, made Phelps' fall from a Vice cop to an Arson cop more impactful, as Arson cases are very hard to deduce in real life, so that he has to deal with dead end cases without any fame. Biggs needed to have more character to reflect his judgement and his choice to follow Phelps.

[@jbiehlable]

And not recite lines from other partners.

[@sagelaw5997]

I also love the case, but I feel like it's placement in the story isn't the best. It's sandwiched between the second to the last and the last case, which doesn't help the games pacing

[@zakrowe1301]

I love the case but it doesn’t fit in with the flow of the story. I don’t think there was Anywhere they could’ve put it to make it work. Arson is kind of when things start to wrap up. Maybe as a first case it wouldn’t have felt so shoehorned in

[@kanabis134]

"Most interesting"? Lol

[@EllieC130]

78: I figured the murder bath was where he washed his own clothes and bloodied up other people's.

[@dawnthemoonchild5409]

Nah it was where he drained the Dahlia's blood.

[@masonallen3961]

@@dawnthemoonchild5409 My thoughts exactly. In the Elizabeth Short murder case her body was cut in half but due to the lack of blood at the crime scene it was believed this happened somewhere else and her body was moved there. So yeah. That's probably what the bloody bathtub is referring too.

[@jellehavermans]

@@masonallen3961 A not well known fact is that they actually found the place she was killed two years after her body was found and supposedly drained of blood. You can find the news article in the (public) FBI report.

[@Fulllife3.2]

3:27 Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think fingerprint collection was really part of police procedure during the 40’s. It started becoming a thing in the 60’s.

[@Texelion3Dprints]

Doesn't take much to verify : "The French scientist Paul-Jean Coulier developed a method to transfer latent fingerprints on surfaces to paper using iodine fuming. It allowed the London Scotland Yard to start fingerprinting individuals and identify criminals using fingerprints in 1901. Soon after, American police departments adopted the same method and fingerprint identification became a standard practice in the United States. The identification of individuals through fingerprints for law enforcement has been considered essential in the United States since the beginning of the 20th century." Apparently it was used even before the 40's.

[@user-jv8mg9gi2s]

They mentioned checking for prints at the beginning of the quarter moon case. The examiner said the murderer soaked the notes in gasoline so they couldn’t lift a print.

[@TheGLORY13]

I was wondering how common place Fingerprinting was back in 1947. It was something was occuring, but I imagine they weren't CRAZY thorough about it considering the "data base" was strictly file cabinets full of paper assuming you happened to have said persons finger print on file. God forbid they were from out of state and you had wait for it to be shipped to the data base location.

[@Liltwilightprincess2]

And that's if the cops even wanted to COMMUNICATE with you at all sometimes.

[@Hammerhead547]

Back then fingerprint and blood type evidence was the best forensic evidence they had to offer because DNA tech was still 50 years away, they had entire divisions consisting of hundreds or even thousands of civilian employees within the PD whose job was to spend their days hunting through fingerprint cards with a magnifying glass to find a match. If the cops had that against you along with a weapon and a good motive then it was a pretty short trip for most defendants from court to the gas chamber in california.

[@vancebocas7626]

I think this is your best one! I laughed so hard so many times. I love the "Kneel before Zod" option. lmao XD

[@brucenatelee]

I may be wrong, but I don't know when fingerprints became a way to investigate crimes. Okay, after some research, it turns out that fingerprints were used in 1911, which means that since this game takes place in 1947, they are ignoring a crucial element discovered 36 years later. Unfortunately, I was a year off from being born when DNA was used in evidence: 1986.

[@Dovahkiink_]

Been looking forward to this.

[@egalitarius8582]

I love that they put bloopers in this game.

[@christianthrasher8677]

As someone who studies criminal law and criminal investigation the amount of times that evidence was miss handle hurts me

[@brianrecinos3914]

32:55: Because Cole only came to see her sing at the club in the beginning. Cole wasn't having an affair with her until this case. Hence the reason why he tailed her.

[@lolpwner789]

Rockstar didn't make LA Noir, they distributed it if I remember correctly. I love the goofy reactions in this game but it is such a slog

[@Julenattstarzan]

Another thing: Deidre Moller had not been visiting any bar on the night she was murdered, nor was there any mention of her doing so previously. How did the murderer known she would be at the high school parking lot at that time?

[@GAshoneybear]

To me, Homicide needed one case not linked to the same killer. Deidre Moller should not have been included in that and have the husband be the one to actually kill her.

[@DustinSchneider]

Fingerprinting wasn't done at the time. I remember looking that up when it happened on the first mission. My reaction was basically the same, "well, guess you're not checking THAT for prints." As memory serves, finger printing in crime scene investigation and forensics wasn't mainstream until the sixties, a decade after the game takes place.

[@DustinSchneider]

And that line about checking for prints in the game is completely out of place, considering that it wasn't a thing yet.

[@jlev1028]

Yes it was. Fingerprinting had been investigated by police for 40 years by the point of the game.

[@omfgitsfat]

Regardless of Jack's sins he's still a much more likable character than Cole. He has way more charisma.

[@KurtAustin2448]

Sin 29: That's not a bug, it's a feature. Just looking at US history as a whole. Lots of talk about freedom, lots of not following through in reality.

[@vermilliontoaster3063]

Really took your time bro. But I can already tell this is great.

[@michaelgibbons4738]

Been waiting for you to sin this for sometime, knew i would disagree on certain sins but a good video still

[@LamiNalchor]

The first video I had enjoyed in a while.

[@flozenen6468]

I remember playing this game when it came out, I was blown away by the facial expressions but the plot was very forgetful

[@SomethingSpecial.]

Sin at 4:40 Cole was not a soldier he was a Marine. A soldier is someone in the Army. Someone in the Marines is called a Marine. Likewise someone in the Navy is a sailor and an Airman is someone in the Air Force.

[@LJAndrews1986]

My favourite satire game dismantle artist returns, this will be fantastic I'm sure

[@arturotorres4561]

LA noire is still better than Cyberpunk. Hasn’t crashed once and better cinematic sequences. Love cruising around classic Los Ángeles.

[@beastyyypie]

Hey can anyone tell me how exactly do you vote for the next game as asked at the end?

[@thatguy4995]

I know there's a pole on KZbin for members only, and I think there's one on patreon, but other than that, I don't know if you can.

[@Audiojack_]

The 40's were a very different time.

[@GlennDavey]

I thought the game succeeded best at evoking the period

[@TFFgeek]

Just thank you for covering this. 😃

[@rbswords2353]

Dartigan's goofs:1.Moller wasn't drunk,she went to pick her daughter at a dance.2.Guys do razz one another on things like size,3.No mention that they can hold the pedophile,the communist,and the crazed homeless man on other charges.4.Cole doesn't try to arrest Roy Earle for assaulting Elsa earlier in front of four people himself included.5.Floyd Rose's name in that notebook in that patrol case is never discovered what he was involved in.

[@Julenattstarzan]

The cutscene where Cole starts the homicide desk mentions that Rose had just retired. Maybe the original intent was that you'd find out exactly what shady business he was involved in during the cut fraud section that was supposed to be between traffic and homicide.

[@iceman1287]

Remember when he was so quick with sinning video games? now he takes his sweet time.

[@OversoulGaming]

It's because he's overthinking things now. He used to be more like CinemaSins where this was all just tongue-in-cheek but now it comes across like he's legitimately cynical all the time

[@kutstupid5480]

@@OversoulGaming no. It's because his quality is way higher than cinemasins. So he Is taking more time with his scripts. Now he has actual criticisms that are covered with some cynicism. Also, the games he's been sinning recently are either ungodly unjustifiably long (like goddamn ac valhalla) or are hard to siin, like this one. You try making a video focusing on a plot of a game where that plot is barely existent and the rest of it is made episodic adventures

[@OversoulGaming]

@@kutstupid5480 legitimate criticisms is not the point of the sin videos if that's the case just do reviews. He's ruining the whole idea behind satire

[@OversoulGaming]

@@kutstupid5480 if you're not going to follow their style then don't straight-up copy their format. Otherwise you're just a discount version of the better Channel. Sin videos are supposed to be satire and comedy not whiny bitching

[@RavensSoTired4081]

@@OversoulGaming Exactly

[@justinclark7843]

I've waited years for this to be sinned. Nice work

[@paranoyd70]

The problem I had with this game is that many of the suspects the game wanted you to find guilty ended up being innocent, which just pissed me off. What the hell was the point?

[@BigSisterNeko]

Art imitating life, my friend.

[@mullaoslo]

I may be alone in this but when Rockstar finally added missions where you don't do the driving /riding with Rdr1 and gta5 they solved a HUUGE open world pet peeve for me.. Ever since gta 3 and mafia it annoyed me that I always had to do the driving.. Don't get me wrong I like to drive as well but I want to feel like I'm part of a crew not just the Wheelman gunman all in one combo.. Sometimes it's nice to relax before or after a mission and let the story sink in.. If we got that from LA noirs barren open world then at least it did something right

[@gandalf_thegrey]

Great video, very entertaining I have just one issue with the start of the Video: I really don't think LA Noire is forgotten. It's a game with many loyal fans. It was never a game changer but its a great little title

[@waldothewizard6743]

This game is a masterpiece and underrated.

[@Kvs-vf9nt]

I agree

[@quiettimegaming3642]

It’s so strange whenever Rockstar Publishes a game they didn’t develop, as they so rarely do it… I do like their choices as the bulk of them are pretty good or at least interesting in premise… but it says something that they haven’t published a non-rockstar game since this has come out… so in a decade.

[@Bound4Earth]

Does Dartigan not know that Check Cashing places exist and are not banks? Also to pretend that beating a culprit was an easy win for a defense lawyer ignores the timeframe. Police used to do much worse than they do now and they got away with it. The universe of L.A. Noire is ~90 years in the past, police brutality was a lot harder to prove back then. He kind of fails to realize that times were a bit different back then and you can include at least 3-4 sins directly under this and a bunch more indirectly. He then talking about the movie set collapsing, pretending it should not, except that ignores the first few clues where they say these are tests. The chandelier didn't randomly fall, the killer rigged it just like he rigged the set to collapse. Not saying the writing is amazing or that this is even a good plot device, but it was explained just minutes earlier. He either ignored that part of the story or missed it. This game has a lot of sins, but at least 40-50 of these (if not closer to 80-90 questionable ones included) could be removed. Not saying the game is great, but the sin count on this one is massively inflated as he removes easily accounted for factors, like the era of the game. Do some research, this video was poorly researched or you just didn't bother and have no clue how police work was done in the 1950s. Police Brutality should have been included because it was a part of that era, perhaps it could've been written better, but to include any of it as a sin is ignorance. I was looking forward to this one, but you went so far beyond missing the mark on this one.

[@Gattancha]

2:55 - 'Pixel Hunting' - Yep, I remember that well from my days playing Discworld & Discworld II on the PC.. Fun Times!