Destiny The Taken King: Patch 2.0 - The Weapon Balance/Tuning Patch Preview

[@meandmyfriends999]

TTK LFG be like LFG hard mode Oryx must have maxed out Hard Light

[@Garihoonter]

Lol

[@lucasteo51]

I like you, take my upvote

[@AinrehteaDalnalirtu]

meandmyfriends999 At least I'll get picked for those raid groups over not having a Ghorn even after 1500 hours of playing...

[@hectorwilson663]

Lmao hahahah

[@suedbybungie7876]

Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu Hey, if you're on Xbox 360, we can play together on Destiny very casually. Most likely, you're either PS4 or Xbone player.

[@MrFergusonVLOG]

This is why I love Datto, time for headphones and a good conversation!

[@Akirasamajp]

A Piece of Wood ikr

[@FlammYT]

Conversation are a way two way thing.

[@BlacKFooTBiggS]

FlammNation that depends if talking to or being talked at. Js

[@MastaShakeCSD16]

A Piece of Wood >conversation.. k

[@mclarenf1lm154]

I swear to God, if the Fusion Rifle changes affect the Mythoclast I will be pissed. Bungie somehow always fucks up the Mythoclast when it comes to changing Fusion Rifles' stats.

[@gardobasurero]

I'm sorry it will.. Vex's accuracy has been affected again when they brought back the nerf to fr that wasn't applied. You have to use smart drift control now just to make it fire straighter... and Vex pretty much has a high base range. So not only will its projectiles fire slower after the patch, its accuracy will be horrible to the point that you will be forced to use smart drift control and send it just to make it usable, when you want aggressive ballistics and the extended mag... I only use vex for the fusion rifle bounty... poor thing.

[@XROCMA]

Queen breaker's bow 😢

[@Foxtrot6624]

mclarenf1lm15 I'm pretty sure its only affecting non-exotic fusion rifles, last time they changed fusion rifles they said they changed vex by mistake so...

[@NeverwascooL]

I mean it is a FUSION RIFLE, technically

[@cesargonzalez3599]

+mclarenf1lm15 The mythoclast will be buffed because it is an autorifle.

[@mistertooter]

People- "Nerf Exotic handcannons!" Bungie- Nerf all handcannons? OK!" People- "Buff Auto-Rifles!" Bungie- "And Nerf Gally, Icebreaker, and Black Hammer to? OK!" People- "Make Fusion Rifles usable again! Bungie- "Make them harder to use? OK!" Bungie doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

[@the_jaded_rabbit]

mistertooter no they do, you just dont understand why.

[@silver2797]

Lol

[@mistertooter]

Darren Solstice Half of the nerfs were the result of their lazy game design. You wanna know why people sat in the back with Ice Breaker? They don't want to get butt fucked by ads and the boss as soon as they leave the back. You wanna know why people burned bosses with Gally? All the bosses are poorly designed and not fun to fight so people want to get that shit over with as soon as possible. You wanna know why they nerfed all handcannons and fusion rifles across the board? Yeah, I don't fucking know why either. Bungie doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

[@aotua1033]

mistertooter Gally, Ice Breaker, and Black Hammer were all problematic. If you cannot see that, you're a moron.

[@snucklebuckle8798]

Stop Bitching Its Only 3 Wepons It's Not The End Of The World There Are More Weapons Its Not Like Black Hammer,Ice Breaker, And Ghallajorn Are The Only Best Weapons In The Game

[@StriderDSC]

Shame they are waiting until September because the patch is desperately needed now.

[@tomkuypers2836]

Kaiser i know i refuse to do trials due to all the problems

[@rashidsiddiqui2932]

Agreed

[@TheEagel123]

Yeah especially because I'm pretty sure they won't let us level year 1exotics past taken king so the nerfs will be pointless

[@klustxr]

Michael Becker They've said before that your year one Gear can be carried with you throughout Destinys future, whether it's useful or not. It'd be dumb if they weren't because it's still basic Destiny, it's not Destiny 2 or anything else. It's pretty dumb to think that in an optional expansion they'll take away the ability to level gear you've spent a year earning. They'd get more a lashing for that than anything they've done recently.

[@peach2251]

Michael Becker I'd imagine Exotics are able to be carried through, just not legendary stuff

[@phantomninja01]

I think Xur left the weapons in his other robe this week.

[@balmoreblue7550]

Yeah. His stock is fucking garbage today.

[@burns0100]

Cameron Coile Its garbo every week if your a dedicated player... Xur is for New players.

[@evilbraden]

He has never sold celestial nighthawk doe, too bad i already had one with a better stat role

[@burns0100]

Evil Braden Week one of House of Wolves he has a helmet engram I think, everyone got one then mostly. This week though is a good stat roll, nearly max I think.

[@phantomninja01]

Cameron Coile Well Sunbreakers are one of two Warlock exotics I don't have so it isn't a complete loss. Plus a lot of people still don't have Nighthawk even though Xur has sold helmet engrams almost every week.

[@Lessdeth14]

Though I don't think the Thorn nerfs are enough, the whole "people shouldn't sit back and use Icebreaker" argument seems weak at best. They still can, and will, only for longer periods of time. Whoop dee do. FWIW, I've never once seen someone camp with an Icebreaker and thought to myself, gee, they should really nerf that guy's way of playing. Also, the Gally nerf will only lead to one thing: people complaining about PvE content being too hard and inevitable nerfs of content, rendering the weapon nerf relatively pointless.

[@joshdumont4928]

The_Infamous_Me bingo

[@Roosterz443]

Pretty much nailed it

[@frankendeed69]

The_Infamous_Me so what though the ghorn has pretty much ruined the game for people that never had it, because people had to rely on it to get through the damn game, just because i don't have the ghorn doesn't mean i should be kicked out of a skolas group even though i've killed him without it, they just need to tell players to use something else and get good and the game for once

[@nonmasri]

You sir, deserve a medal.

[@TheFallinhalo]

frankendeed69 well maybe you shouldnt blame the community for the Content in the game being so Bloody hard. Bungies excuses for the Nerf are retarded. ill quote something from the update. "Gjallarhorn was so strong that for many people it had become the only answer to getting through tough encounters" ya they pretty much said the exact reason why so many people use the damn thing. when you have content that is SO bloody ass difficult and impossible to beat. *Cough* Kaliks Reborn *Cough*. and see a weapon that is your solution to that encounter you WILL use it. Ghorn wasn't the problem it was a solution. the problem was Very hard encounters that Punish you so badly to the point it makes you want to give up. and i hate the excuse people make for not being able to do skolas when the burns were still around. "oh i cant do Solar Skolas because i dont have Ghorn Wahhhhhhh" my response dude you have 2 weeks that no one will ask for Ghorn. solar skolas is 1/3 weeks you have 2 more weeks you can participate in arc and void. then it becomes solar again. this was a much better system then what we have now with no burn skolas. because they made the issue worse for LFG groups wanting ghorns only. because when burns were around everyone no matter if you had ghorn or not you can do skolas. this update is more bad then good honestly. and they should make some serious tweeks. (Ex Black hammer, ice breaker, FR's, Ghorn)

[@morganduffy5317]

Am I the only one who is happy with the changes

[@Cloneme12]

Nope I'm Happy n so is my D wassup sexy

[@xranky9239]

I am

[@Matt-co7mf]

I hate the patch

[@fatlessgaming2512]

I'm happy with it

[@machinekillerbn9879]

No I'm nawt

[@ChickensovHolliness]

Let us have a moment of silence.. Black Hammer... RIP

[@tylerlynn69]

I have a ghorn and im glad its getting nerfed. I prefer using machine guns for heavys but as soon as i join a group its "if you have ghorn use it or we kick you, and if you dont have it later" so yeah nerf it maybe now my heavy machine guns will get the love they deserve

[@shamrockshnake1366]

Yeah but the nerf could backfire...horribly it might make kids want MORE gjallahorns instead of only a couple people with hardlight

[@isaiahwiseone4504]

Tyler Lynn One time I joined a group for Crotas end Hard mode. and one of them asked me if I had a Ghorn. I said no and He cussed me out. then kicked me.. Like wow. lol but I really dont mind Ghorn getting nerfed.

[@shamrockshnake1366]

Oops I said hardlight I meant gjallahorn

[@tylerlynn69]

Sean Snider i see what you mean but honestly im hoping it works out for the better

[@greendragon4397]

Sean Snider u can edit ur comments u know and it's gjallarhorn not gjallahorn (just saying although i seriously doubt you care)

[@Thegamerguy123tv]

Best Change: Necrochasm Worst Change: Black Hammer

[@lucaslagalo9649]

I totally agree

[@annuncirith]

Thegamerguy123 Steady hand and paced shots can result in infinite rounds. 40+ shot strings with no ammo loss or reload, all of which do more damage than Ice Breaker, it needed tuning and if you didn't see it coming a mile away... here's your sign.

[@QU67Reacher6]

Thegamerguy123 Yeah, it sucks that Black Hammer is still like any other Triple Tap weapon now, but... it needed a nerf. I think the best and worst change is Ghorn, because by god all the idiots are finally going to be exposed. I hope they bring Ghorn in line with Truth or Hunger of Crota. It'll be so great seeing the salty tears of butthurt Ghorn users when they're finally forced to learn how the Raids work. It'll be glorious.

[@danis.9326]

I used Black Hammer against bosses so I wouldn't have to be picking ammo. Now it'll be the same snit to use Efrideet's Spear and Black Hammer if I'm going to run out of ammo.

[@ShapCast]

To get that "infinite" ammo you need to be skilled enough to get that many headshots. It's does best on stationary bosses, like the fallen tanks or the cabal tank since it moves slowly. It's was a useless nerf that isn't needed. It's my favorite sniper but I never touch it in arc or void burn pretty much only on solar burn.

[@perepineda9524]

Was watching you edit and commend you on how much effort you put into your videos! Very insightful and knowledgable, looking forward to future vids man

[@Theoldman27]

I'm fine with everything especially auto rifles. Except one thing, why must they screw with ice breaker. To me this doesn't make ice breaker worth an exotic slot anymore but maybe it's just me.

[@dontme6996]

So, you like that auto rifles take 18 shots to kill. And you hate the 3 extra seconds that they're adding to the Ice Breaker recharge? I can't tell you just the ridiculous amounts of time I've spent in a death screen because a guy is camping our spawn. I think Ice Breaker is getting this nerf for the sole purpose of getting rid of camping.

[@Theoldman27]

Dade Pritchett I said I'm fine with everything especially auto rifle referring to the patch hence why I mentioned ice breaker. And I never use ice breaker in PvP. I'm talking about pve you'll be able to find far more ammo with a legendary sniper compared to waiting for ice breaker to regen. And if it's an issue of you can't pick up ammo because of a lot of majors or ultras are in the way you can just use a sniper with the perk of picking up ammo by shooting it which is why I don't see why anyone would use ice breaker when this patch comes thru pve wise anyways.

[@dontme6996]

Clear up what you're talking about next time. I thought you meant prepatch auto rifles. And honestly, every exotic should have some type of setback, just like Ice Breaker.

[@DoctorEviI35]

Key words, ice breaker is a special weapon. For uses in special occasions. It's not labeled a primary for a reason

[@Theoldman27]

***** the point is I can get a lot more ammo using a legendary so why would I use ice breaker and take up an exotic spot. The point of an exotic is it's supposed to be better then legendary's. I honestly don't care that much just simply stating I don't know why anyone would ever use it over a legendary sniper.

[@stryker5055]

Thank you for your vids Datto, you get right to the point without the overly used nonsense some KZbinrs have. Keep up the great content!

[@Upgraderednight]

Only things I'm not too happy about in this next patch is just ice breaker and black hammer, but I understand bungie's reasoning.

[@specktech314]

Mr Upgrade agreed, and HC mags though. If it's the mag, I still want close to 10 shots. If it's the reserve ammo (which makes no sense), they barely had ammo in the first place.

[@snellcrp]

What they need to do is spend time creating raids, expanding vault space, introduce a trading or marketplace, building whole new levels/planets...things that people actually want instead of pissing off the community by nerfing all their favorite weapons.

[@specktech314]

you are aware the companies don't work on a one-track mind right?

[@Upgraderednight]

I just felt PvE guns like IB, or BH (excluding gjallarhorn) made strikes less annoying then they already were and to see them nerf them like this, I feel will completely push me off striking, and raiding for a while.

[@pokemonmaster264]

Christopher C They were thinking of how much money they will make.

[@RyanGentner]

very well put closing statement! thanks for all the hard work you put into your videos

[@ChaosHFX]

Sniper Rifles: Final Round will only work on headshots SO TAKE THAT FINAL ROUND ABUSERS YOU ARE GARBAGE (I wish you kept that) Edit: By "I wish you kept that", I meant I wish Datto kept that in the video. He wrote that during his stream.

[@silver2797]

What's the point of final round then all the snipers have a impact that one shots in the head I would have made it so that final round never proc for snipers

[@specktech314]

Suros Regime because it gives it use in pve and nullifies it for pvp, aside from killing someone with an overshield or super active.

[@greendragon4397]

Suros Regime haha, thats what FR's deserve

[@HollowDesu]

Suros Regime That's the point. Ultimately making sniper with final round useless. Like he said "if you don't like this change, you are probably a dirty final rounder" and I got the original comment. When he was editing his videos on stream and he put that. Its the truth

[@yorkies4life318]

So what's the point of final round again? You need head shots to make it work you say ! If your hitting head shots then final round is not need it.

[@Oracle_-et5yo]

Seriously Datto, you are the best. All of your informational content is amazing and always enjoyable. Keep 'em coming

[@specktech314]

The only things that bother me about the patch are IB, BH, and HC mag size. Everything else I'm fine with. As long as TLW keeps 8 rounds in the clip I'm not gonna say anymore though.

[@burns0100]

Christopher C Its overall ammo amounts not mag size. and Sniper nerfs didn't effect the power of either one, only stopped people from cheapening the game by avoid danger in encounters like VOG Oracles and Fallen Walker on Devils Lair. You can no longer or atleast should no longer sit back and snipe them to get the activity done. Its faster to just go in close and use another weapon. Playing the game means more then pressing one button...

[@greendragon4397]

Christopher C agreed, i think TLW should at least retain 8 shots in a mag after the torrent of nerfs it's getting. But seriously, they're nerfing TLW so much more than Thorn when that's a bigger issue. They kind of buffed thorn if u think about it, i thought they would decrease the headshot damage of thorn to 75 or make mark of the devourer do no damage (so it just delays the regen of health)

[@burns0100]

Tony Lazer You don't understand things right... The Ammo nerf was overall ammo in reserve, not mag size. Thorn is nerfed hard, you can no longer kill in 2 shots, its now a 3 hit kill, the dot was nerfed if you only apply it once or twice, overall though it was buffed but that only effects targets that can survive more then 3 shots, so anything that is PvE... PvP was a straight nerf.

[@greendragon4397]

***** no, dot can be applied up to 5 times, but i still think that thorn's gonna wreck in crucible cause it's still got an amazingly low TTK

[@greendragon4397]

***** even after the patch, there's gonna be no way u could lose a fight against a scout rifle user if ur using thorn

[@mr.bentley347]

I always look forward to your videos - it's not a contest to see who can make a video first. It's about who does a better job and you win every single time. Thank you for your hard work and dedication.

[@BigPauleyD]

i can understand most of the nerfs but ice breaker , ice breaker will be useless now .

[@mr.bentley347]

BigPauleyD I think so too. Have to use Invective now to generate ammo for Ice Breaker???

[@AinrehteaDalnalirtu]

BigPauleyD I honestly don't see how adding 3 seconds makes it useless. It'll still out-perform most snipers.

[@flopre9213]

BigPauleyD it still regens ammo how is it useless its not like they made it so it doesnt regen ammo at all besides ice breaker wasnt even useful anyway because black hammer.

[@BigPauleyD]

Thomas V Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu true but 8 sec is long re-gen rate.

[@redlined8855]

[ICE BREAKER] -Max Range -High Impact -Effective Crowd Control Properties -Solar Shield Destroyer Its weapon to be used in a certain situation and with proper use with the rest of your loadout. Just like what Datto said. Don't be like that person who sits in the back taking potshots at a boss.

[@norsehorse1581]

Good video! And great job on explaining anger versus understanding. Nice job, and keep up the great work!

[@MrHandss]

DattoDoesDamageControl I hope you're at least getting paid for this.

[@locknloadband]

Well done buddy, great vid, watched you earlier on twitch making this while I was trying to work, now watched the final product while having 10 Friday night beers.....top man!

[@redohealer2]

Am I going to be the only person who doesn't find anything bothering about this?

[@Memelord-nm5zi]

haloassinate97 Tbh i don't even care about this update.

[@DEADtoRISE08]

Here to just say one thing "FUCK THE PATCH"

[@ImExrio]

Y?

[@jackallen663]

DEADtoRISE08 ? Why... I mean other than fusion rifles. For the fusion rifles nerf FUCK THE PATCH!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jackallen663]

***** How so? The white nail perk gives you insane dps and infinite ammo instantly. It clearly was only supposed to do insane dps which it still will. As for icebreaker I think it should have a 7,8 or even 9 ''magazine'' if it is gonna regen so slow.

[@mclarenf1lm154]

DEADtoRISE08 I sincerely hope your three words will completely change Bungie's mind and throw the patch out the window so that you can be happy and everyone else that is actually wanting this patch will be filled with sorrow and sadness.

[@silver2797]

Why is it because you were a final rounder or a ghorn overuser

[@Reinforce_Zwei]

Oh gee....because landing a precision shot with a sniper wasn't already a OHK 99% of the fucking time. Why would we want EXTRA FUCKING DAMAGE ON THAT!? Just remove the fucking perk if you're gonna advocate making it completely fucking useless. I guess Datto needs the money, that's why he's Bungie's little pegboy today.

[@heillinga]

***** Because it's now a PvE perk that's not half bad, and negates the OHK to the toe/body/hand/ankle/anything other than the FUCKING HEAD?

[@Reinforce_Zwei]

twelve pandas Lol scrubpanda....we're talking about Final round here, not white nail.

[@heillinga]

***** It's a PvE perk now, rather than the only way you are capable of killing people in PvP. In what way was having a OHK to ANY PART OF THE BODY reasonable?

[@Reinforce_Zwei]

Alex So why can you still OHK someone by shooting them in the foot with a shotgun? Why can you OHK someone by ramming your shoulder into their arm, but not throwing a knife into their skull? Even if I used final round, I would still be more skilled than some shotgun fuckwaffle using it like a primary.

[@heillinga]

***** Except that shotguns require you to be at point blank, shoulder charge is actually a lot harder to reliably land than people think and leaves you incredibly vulnerable, whereas final round operates at any range.

[@supergello2]

Really excited for the new changes; it should breath some new loadout diversity into the game. Now if only Bungie would address the stagnant state of damage and elements in general...

[@PvTNuclear]

You defend bungie as if it's your job....

[@number0017]

Well if he doesn't defend bungie, they won't invite him to play there game and other free goodies, plus datto been chasing youtube money since COD days. Try asking him about what happen to dattodoesCOD.

[@omegaxtrigun]

PvTNuclear Or because nearly every change makes sense.

[@TotalFailsChannel]

PvTNuclear Someone mad because they can't kill bosses without Gjallarhorn or can't do good in crucible without last word thorn and final round?

[@PvTNuclear]

TotalFails If you would take the time to look at my channel, you will understand that I dont need any of this shit. I will do just as good without ghorn bud. Don't talk shit to players who are actually good.

[@friendlyelites]

when i read the change log myself i was fuming with rage but hearing you talk about has been able to put me in a spot where i can understand the changes and simply must wait to see their effect

[@kneeltojesus8600]

Datto can you just change the name of this video to "Bungie invites me to special things so I will defend anything they do and tell you to get over it so I can go to more events."

[@yeahyeahyeah0yeah]

Great video and very sound opinions on the changes. Keep it up!

[@alfmato92]

I like every single one of these buffs/nerfs. Particularly the auto-rifle buff and the hand cannon nerfs even though I'm a huge fan of The Last Word and such. Pretty much every complaint is unjustified since all changes makes a lot of sense. But we have yet to try out these changes so I shouldn't praise it too much I guess. Thanks Datto for a very good and informative video once again. I actually watched you edit this on your stream earlier. Hope you got a good nights sleep, have a good day!

[@rylch44]

Once again a very awesome and informative video. I have to say you have the best destiny videos on the net. By far. Love your content.

[@Malaboermaters]

Amazing insights! I was reading a lot of hate over at reddit about this incoming nerf but I can't find any reason on why it was hated. It was pretty nice of you to explain everything. There was some things that I did not easily grasp while reading the planned nerf, with this video, I have now better understanding. Thank you.

[@AsimKhan-hm8gm]

Excellent video datto. Very concise and informative. Thanks for being such a great resource for the destiny community

[@shaym.9737]

Datto, this is Shick_Shadel, sorry about missing alot of your streams. This video is yet another amazing video on why YOU SIR.... Are a gentleman and a scholar. Also a intellectual and a baller.

[@troyannesmith7227]

This is why I love datto.....he actually thinks both ways instead of just being salty or complaining...I feel the same way you do about this patch

[@zacm9059]

Datto, I commend you as one of those rare examples of a gamer who is actually capable of forming a rational, moderate response to changes in a video game. Well done.

[@stevenm11920]

I was in the stream when you were editing this. It was fun

[@RayRay-ow1bb]

Thank u datto I was in blind rage with Ghorn nerf but I thought how bungie felt about some of these weapons great work Datto awesome videos

[@adambiewer505]

DattoDoesDestiny I know from your stream how much effort you put into this video. Thank you for everything that you do and don't feel afraid to share your opinions. Your informative and sometimes sarcastic videos are one of my favorite parts of Destiny. You are awesome

[@stevenmeier16]

i was worried about the patch but after watching this video. but i realized its not so bad. thanks so much for explaining everything. i feel loads better. all the changes are understandable

[@oatmealpdf4052]

cant wait for this patch to come out. great video datto!

[@ReggieBailey]

DattoDoesDestiny this is by far some on of your best work / analysis! Kudos...I'm glad you stayed up through the night to get this done lol now go get that rest!

[@colins.7626]

Hey Datto, you make great videos! Keep doing what your doing!

[@BoltCRNA]

Well said. I am a little sad about my Gjallerhorn but I understand the motive behind Bungie's choices.

[@bend107]

I was on your stream while you were editing this :')

[@briansanchez9783]

I watched you edit this for 2 hours!! Man your dedicated!!

[@SillyEngineer]

Well said, i liked the video you made about the state of crucible, hope you keep doing them even after the patch.

[@draven_sword7092]

I'm happy with most of the changes myself. Glad to hear your opinions! :D As much as I'm sad for the BH nerf, it's also getting an ammo inv. buff, so pretty much, as long as you start at full, just use a synth and you're good to go :)

[@Ryunn251]

Thanks - Great video - excellent dissemination of information.

[@kch12ful]

Great video, Datto! Keep ´em coming.

[@friskypikachuz]

Good job Datto, I loved the stream last night.

[@JunoBXRthesequel]

Datto it was great watching you make this video and I hope you can live stream more editing eventually

[@samb7467]

Watched him edit on stream, its pretty cool seeing how the video was made.

[@noxiabathys]

"Everybody point and laugh at the final rounder" that was some funny shit. This is why I like you datto

[@JayDude003]

I hope Vex Mythoclast doesn't get affected by the fusion rifle changes like last time.

[@prsdave22]

Very good video as always Datto, well explained. I reckon these adjustments are overall extremely justifiable, will hopefully make Crucible fun again...

[@FreddyHernandezbass]

As much as I love using Thorn and the Jake Gyllanhorn I'm always happy to see new changes. It gives me an opportunity to play the game in a newer more refreshing way! As each big balance change happens I've found that it forced me to change how I approach each situation and become a better player as a result.

[@SeraphSeph]

Have fun killing bosses slightly slower with your gjallahorn or lmg

[@TheComment2011]

Pretty lame comment. You are not forced to use thorn or Ghorn that is your choice. If perhaps you were any good at the game you probably wouldn't 'love' using thorn and used a different weapon that requires skill to get kills like no land beyond or an auto rifle.

[@FreddyHernandezbass]

TheComment2011 Ummm, they aren't the only weapons I use. Just because I love to use them doesn't mean that I'm bound to them. No need to be so cynical.

[@DoctorEviI35]

Great point of view on the patch, but you have to remember it's the internet. I'm pretty sure some people are payed to look for and start some hate. It's a sad world we live in sometimes

[@ascalhoun2]

Datto I really appreciate how you have stayed level headed through all of the changes this game. I too love this game and love to see Bungie working as hard as they are to make it better.

[@ciyborg]

very comprehensive analysis Datto, still pissed about the gjallahorn, black hammer and ice breaker

[@Eatsheepking]

I think thorn will still be a two hit head shot and 1 hit body shot. It'll just do less in one shot. Thorn currently does roughly 84 to the head and 56 to the body and then 42 DoT damage. They said it would do "roughly one third," of the damage over time. 42 divided by 3 is 14 and since it now applies on every shot 84x2 plus 14x2 is 196 which kills most people. For body shots 56x3 plus 14x3 is 210 which kills most people. I don't know exactly how much they'll reduce the DoT though.

[@dkcholo5281]

Love it all INCLUDING the part about GJALLARHORN

[@kevincarter6111]

Good summary. I appreciate you being upfront about your developer bias. At the end of the day, none of these changes "break" the game and several were very much needed. What is probably lacking from this video is empathy that because players do not have a lot of vault space, they have to make strategic decisions regarding weapons and this consistent rebalancing, while needed, is very frustrating. Moreover, Bungie appears to spend a lot of time on weapon rebalancing and less time on components that would truly benefit players such as a HoW Raid, an in-game matchmaking system, dedicated servers, etc. Nonetheless, great video. You covered the topic well!

[@phorque5891]

I have all those exotics listed and I'm only happy because there's a chance that Autorifles might be usable. I've been wanting to use Monte Carlo without getting destroyed by the 3 handcannons.

[@Kami-oj6om]

I WAS HERE !! And datto you're awesome.

[@Len0re348]

I gotta say, I'm really happy with pretty much all of these changes. The only thing I'm concerned about is fusion rifles, bu we'll only be able to see those and experiment with them once it comes. The Ghorn nerf was necessary, same with pretty much every exotic change (so happy about the Necrochasm and Hard Light). I get the Black Hammer and Ice Breaker changes, even if they weren't exactly necessary. And thank you, Bungie, for making a distinction between Hand Cannons and Scout Rifles. Thank you.

[@andrewsmith6772]

Don't pay attention to the people who hate on this video. First, it's a video about the facts. Second, it's an opinion. Also, the nerfs were justified. the fact that a weapon is used 200x more often than any others is ridiculous.

[@Watchman.kIvory]

Datto your a legend!! I hope you continue to make Destiny, and bungie videos until we are all gonee

[@mattsimmill8414]

datto your video's always make me smile please never stop

[@calebwarren5841]

Think that you hit the nail on the head with this video. Agreed with almost everything that you said.

[@Iceman10171985]

Loved the patch notes, I see where Bungie is going with this but in DESTINY i've truly learned to ADAPT or you can just do what other people do which is COMPLAIN. The update i'm waiting on is when Blink Strike Backstab's glitch with get destroyed. It's annoying getting one shotted in the face by a perk/ability that kills in one blow. But everyone's all trippy about a G-horn BAHHHH!!!! Me and my crew been sowed that convo knew it was coming, I don't always agree with Datto but on this, spot on.

[@davisjedd6667]

Datto, love the vid I don't like black hammer being nerfed but I understand why same with gally. What do u think Xur is going to sell??

[@davisjedd6667]

+dattodoesdestiny

[@theLoveRocketjr]

Davis Jedd No weapon that's for sure

[@JH-pj8nw]

Not a big deal but I figured I'd mention that the background noice/music gets louder during the GHorn talk. But just in the Crota clips.

[@matttaylor9800]

This is why I like you, Datto, because you think things through. You use logic, something 85% of the forums lacks.

[@paulohenriquelima4761]

Another amazing video Datto! What I am really worried is about how the fusion rifle changes will affect Vex Mythoclast...

[@TheMrericporter]

I'm happy that weapons may become more situational with this patch. It gets stale only running a few weapons in all situations, think about it all of our Vaults are FULL but we as a community only use a hand full of weapons consistently. I can't wait to see how this will unfold!

[@garrett2857]

Datto! Big fan here. Please answer this simple question. Will all year one exotics/legendaries become non existent/unusable in TTK? I ask because I am an avid fan of hawkmoon and alas, I have an Xbox one. Will this weapon now be obsolete because we won't be able to upgrade year one weapons any further or do you know of any plans that Bungie has to create a method for us to move these exotics to the next power level? Sincerely, A Concerned Guardian

[@iiDragonzz]

Nope year one exotics are still useful and will be upgraded in some way because there was some footage of a ghorn dropping in the new patrol area "dreadnought", hawkmoon will never be useless :)

[@garrett2857]

reav dragonzz Well yes I realize that those weapons will still drop but I wonder if they can be upgraded to the next power level.

[@TotalFailsChannel]

Garrett Swickard First of all, how would Datto know that? He doesn't work for Bungie, he's just another guardian like us, and second of all I highly highly doubt it, it is extremely unlikely that Bungie would make all the guns they worked so hard to create and balance completely pointless when the Taken King comes out

[@Al-cd7zg]

Garrett Swickard Yeah pretty much useless in PVE unless they can be acsended. PvP Will not change in terms of damage though.

[@707EvoX]

Thanks Datto, this video really calmed me down and helped me understand. My only concern is if the fusion rifle changes will affect my Mythoclast.

[@Vicrod23144]

They said they were "reducing" the damage on the Suros and the Vex. Look what happen to those weapons... So when bungie says they are reducing the damage of the wolf pack rounds it most likely means it's going to be shit.

[@burns0100]

Im happy with this Update, some things I think could have been done better or more but I think if issues persist Bungie will again look into them. Im just happy ill be an Auto Rifle guy again, Hardlight was my First Exotic from the Nightfall week one and Necrochasm is by far the coolest weapon in the game. I look forward to having a wide range of weapons that I can effectively use now. PvP should be a lot of fun come Taken King.

[@danielives5299]

Man I love Dattos Voice. I could listen to his videos for hours.

[@bonefat21]

R.I.P. Vex and Queenbreakers' Bow. If the past is anything to go by, these exotics are going to get absolutely railed by the fusion rifle nerfs, specifically the travel time increase. Both of these weapons are already grossly outclasses by TLW and snipers in general, so making them any worse will basically see them relegated to gimmicks and that's it. Sad to see them go because they are both in the top five favorite weapons to use in regular crucible, but maybe Bungie will remember that they are fusion rifles in name alone and put some sheep's blood on their door before the plague.

[@bonefat21]

Top five for me, that is. Regular crucible is for fun, trials is for winning. That's where the God-tier weapons come out.

[@heillinga]

bonefat21 They only referred to Fusion Rifle archetypes in their notes, so it depends upon which archetype they fall under, as well as whether or not they've remembered their previous mis-haps.

[@MagonTheConqueror]

And great analysis Datto, really showed that you're not a whiner like most other players and understand when OP weapons, even in a non-confrontational environment like PvE, need to be nerfed for the sake of the game's playability.

[@AdamHillikerLikesRobots]

Epic video Dat. Agreed on all counts. Glad your reasonable voice is a loud one in the community.

[@Evertonferreiraful]

Black hammer should have been made an exotic. The white nail perk is just as good (and better in some cases) as other exotic perks.

[@dustinsterling3248]

Datto, first of all i would like to say congrats on another very well made video. it was comprehensive and very detail oriented, i like details. you brought forward your OPINION and the FACTS that some people (angry children Kappa) will complain about. to me it is completely obvious that most of these nerfs/reworks were well deserved and will get me back into Destiny around September. i've personally been completely bored with the meta for the past months and am thrilled to see these changes coming our way. sorry if this was too long for you to read but here ya go lol. take it easy Datto, i'll see you starside ;P

[@deadwing7180]

Its great to know your opinion, there are a lot of noobs crying for the Gjallarhorn nerf. If something is OP, ITS OP. Doesnt matter if its in PvP, or PvE. Gjallarhorn isnt the only way to everything, just find out strategies and learn how to play instead of just burning bosses.

[@jasonh4991]

I love all of the changes and look forward to Necrocasm'ing a group of people on a control point in the future.

[@Fogodeluz]

now that i think 1 of the nefs for the last word is to reduce half of the range, so if you use smart drift control the last word ill be the first weapon with no range it ill do no dmg unless the enemy is 20cm our closer

[@Sabresieben]

I agree with the Weapon Balance Update in its entirety. Everything Bungie put in that update was stuff I have been preaching on the forums for a couple months. I literally whispered a "fuck yes" after every weapon was discussed by Weisnewski in the preview. Finding a singular way to nerf Thorn's pvp lethality while at the same time buffing its overall PVE damage output was just a great decision that deserves many cookies.

[@tickedoffclock4488]

This is one thing that people probably skipped over Datto, but lord of wolves is now going to be the best PvP shotgun. Here's why: it currently has the range and damage of a felwinters style shotgun with shot package. Shot package is getting a nerf, yet this doesn't effect Lord of Wolves in any way. It will still keep the same range and damage stats, and will dominate any other shotguns at a range

[@madsky421]

can anybody answer this question: they say they're decreasing base mag size of handcannons does that include hawkmoon and fatebringer or is that just handcannons dropped after the taken king? If so by how much do you expect them to decrease the magazine size, obviously it won't make a big difference in crucible but in pve im a little worried that my favorite weapons will become less viable because of they're lower mag size and somewhat slow reloads unless i spec for speed reload on the weapon or outlaw

[@stagnice]

Will most likely be in TTK . If it effects the Hawkmoon most of the Hawkmoon nerfs are ignored.

[@madsky421]

alright thanks

[@dindjarjarin]

thanks for this video, all the people I've seen complaining about this patch were so incredibly misinformed it was pathetic. My only complaint is that we have to wait so long for this desperately needed patch

[@Floyd-94]

Thanks for the video Datto, been waiting for it ever since I saw the update and knew you'd talk about it! Thoughts on this patch: Fusion Rifles do not need to be made any less desirable: they are already garbage behind Shotguns and Snipers. They needed a PvE damage boost and an overall stability buff (NOT range). Also, the fast-chargers should get a small damage boost to make them a little more viable as a choice to compare to Shotguns. Do keep in mind that the Mythoclast counts as a long-range Fusion Rifle, so it's getting hit by an accuracy nerf with it's shots also slowing down. Great, they already re-widened the spread with a mini-patch a month ago and they haven't addressed it, let's just keep abusing the weapon that took me 6 months to finally get. TLW takes a range and stability nerf? Are you joking? I get that it's effective range is too high, but that's across the Hand Cannon class: don't nerf it's already AWFUL range. Thank God they fixed the ADS-Hipfire bug, but these are the same people that tied your HIPFIRE to your RANGE, so no matter what "hipfire accuracy" buffs they apply, they essentially crippled it. Thorn doesn't need a DoT rework, it needs a motherfucking base damage nerf. Go look at it's RoF/Impact and compare it to the guide: it's supposed to be a Lightweight Hand Cannon, but it's got the stability and damage of a Balanced Hand Cannon and the range/accuracy of a Precise Hand Cannon. Since that first tick of +7 damage hits almost immediately as well, it's damage goes into the 90's on a single shot in less than .5 seconds: THAT'S THE AREA OF TIMUR'S LASH AND ILL WILL (i.e. Powerful Hand Cannons). Hard Light gets a buff? Call me when they buff it's base damage to make it not suck. Nechrochasm gets a buff? Call me when it's not a pea shooter. No Land Beyond gets a buff? I hope to god they fixed those sights and increased the bolt cycle speed, otherwise it's still garbage. Hawkawesome takes a nerf? Damn, just when I was about to get it over here on Xbox. Ice Breaker gets a nerf? Why is it's PVP bullshit (they listed the reason as it's camping in the Crucible) affecting it's PvE performance? Why don't they just penalize campers?! Why is it that every FPS refuses to penalize campers? Ballerhorn gets a nerf? I can live with that. I have 3 and they're maxed because of their effectiveness, but I can see how they outright break boss mechanics. High RoF and Low RoF PR's are basically remaining the same, which is good, because those are the best kind of PR's, although I hope everyone knows that Red Death takes a nerf from this: it's a Mid RoF PR. Shotguns get ANOTHER nerf? We already know they can penalize PVP or PvE independently, so can we PLEASE just penalize PVP for this one? I can take the -10% damage in PvE, it's still a net increase from launch, but Shot Package and Rangefinder let me down Majors at safe distance when shit like Exposure or Lightswitch are on, don't penalize my perks because the PVP bastards abuse them. Final Round is getting nerfed? I actually can't contain my excitement, I might actually be able to play a fair round of Trials now. Final thoughts: They still haven't addressed garbage Exotics. There's no reason to use SGA, Pocket Infinity, Plan C, Dragon's Breath, or Universal Remote. Hell, there's no reason to use MIDA outside of specific encounters, and NLB is not getting it's bolt cycling buffed or better sights (they can fix the parallax all they want, the sights look like shit and sway too hard). Until these weapons are addressed, I will never be satisfied: however... I like the overall changes being made to the primary weapon classes, besides HC's losing ammo. I like the tweaks to OP PVP tactics, such as Shotguns and Final Round, even if it hurts my PvE activities a little. I like that Ballerhorn is getting a nerf: it took me until April to finally get it, and even with a little over 2 months of use, I can confirm that it's a game-breaker. Crack Hammer needed a smack to turn off PvE's "easy mode" and Ice Breaker snipers won't have as much fun in the Crucible, which gives me great joy. I'm so glad that I held out hope for an AR Buff, my Pest Control Matrix (which, check the stats, is identical to Shadow Price) has Focused Fire and Rangefinder ready for TTK. I've got a High RoF Scout Rifle with some more power coming, some great Hand Cannons that will remain great (13 round Timur's Lash, eat my Field Scout Bungie), and I'm still hunting for the absolute best weapons to make sure I'm on top when TTK rolls around. Is it a bad patch? No. Is it a great patch? No. We don't deserve this patch, but it's the one we need right now.

[@MagonTheConqueror]

Hard Light buffs coupled with the AR buffs are more than enough. Hard Light's impact is already higher than others in it's RoF class with Agg. Ballistics, so it should stand out even more among ARs now

[@Dogtrio]

The problem with ghorn for me is that i have a 4 man raid group... so to bridge the gap we sometimes need a little bit of help. I havent needed it lately but when the new raid comes out now we wont get that little bit of a crutch to fill the 2 man deficite.

[@loganb9185]

Datto I can't agree more with everything you said. Great video :)

[@32nickyz]

Love the longer video content!