Dave Rubin: Monarchies Are Good For Society

Dave Rubin babbled on about how he really respects monarchies. Ana Kasparian and John Iadarola discuss on The Young Turks. Watch TYT LIVE on weekdays 6-8 pm ET. kzbin.infolive
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"DAVE RUBIN (HOST): Now, Prince Harry - I've talked a little bit about the royal family before. I always say, it's not one of my main things I love talking about the royal family. I think there's something interesting about the crown. Actually been watching the show on Netflix, The Crown. The idea of a monarchy, that something remains over generations, over hundreds and thousands of years so that there is a continuation of something, I think is a deeply stabilizing force in societies. Doesn't mean that everything they do is good. But there is some value in that as opposed to what we have here, which is every four years we just, sort of, pick a new team and then all our norms change, right? We had four years of Trump, four years of Biden - it's like, this massive flip. That was after four years of Obama. There's something to be said about a little consistency. "
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220111__BE01DaveRubinVsMonarchies

[@jackanarchy9946]

Has Dave Rubin forgotten that the United States fought a war to free themselves from a monarchy?

[@internationalrtg5602]

Right-wingers in the south were the counter-revolutionaries in that war.

[@meanwhileinsooke]

The GOP were on the side of British

[@jw1415]

He didn't read that far...it became to complicated.

[@shock_n_Aweful]

John hit the nail on the head at the end there. They know democracy is not going to give them what they want.

[@noel7777noel]

Tying to explain a democracy to oxymorons is like trying to explain color to a blind man. A oxymoron; a monopoly train route in the private sector. Because one company will snach up a more profitable route and discontinue a less profitable route. Imagine if the government mail service did this. AKA socialism. Imagine if a hamburger chain did this, discontinue everything but the more profitable fountain drinks and french fries. Because of the oxymoron; Because the monarchs think the capital investment doesn't belongs to the community but the top 1%, though the share of means of production called stocks.

[@jwbjpb1338]

Mark Twain was right. “It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt." Dave Rubin proves this quote to be spot on.

[@gagaplex]

"Let's hope we pick a _benevolent_ dictator." That sounds like a flawless plan that would never go wrong. He's even wrong within his own concept: Only the first monarch we'd need to get lucky with? What happens when they die? People die.

[@roberthunter6927]

I bet Ivanka is glad she has kids! Woe betide any Trump dynasty females who can't produce a male heir! ;-) Presumably when Emperor Trump dies Don Jnr will inherit, but Ivanka is Trumpy's favourite so maybe Jarad Kushner will be the Prince Consort?...sooo... many questions! :-)

[@bravoalley228]

Shows his limited understanding and contemplation 🤦‍♂️

[@BlondeManNoName]

In a monarchy Dave Rube could have been a court jester. Not a good one, but still a jester.

[@sawtooth808]

If Dave Rubin was Peter Thiel’s court jester, Peter Thiel would have Dave fired…from a cannon

[@PadraigG8]

"Monnarchies are inherently satabilizing" Has this dude never seen Game of Thrones, or The Lion King?

[@7TheWhiteWolf]

@@commenter3615 Look no further than late 18th Century France, Monarchy and Aristocracy brought the entire country into collapse out of pure greed. Rubin is full of shit.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

@@commenter3615 That part. 95% of European history is dominated by endless wars to appease the bloodthirst and egos of monarchs. WW1 was such a stable period of human history.

[@sawtooth808]

Has Dave Rubin not read Dune (from Dune to God Emperor of Dune)?

[@DOIPhotos]

That awkward moment when you realize that England's monarchy doesn't rule the nation.

[@sawtooth808]

Even in Canada King Charles is pretty much a figure head, the representative of the King in Canada (Governor General) different story.

[@persuasivebarrier2419]

He’s like a character from the movie Anchorman. He’ll read anything you put in front of him for a paycheck. Zero life behind those eyes or words.

[@that1guy335]

He's a beady-eyed tw@t

[@Plato86]

Kids always complain “why do we have to learn history?” The answer is so that you are not ignorant like Dave Rubin. Neo-Monarchies? 😂

[@realzachfluke1]

Exactly lol.

[@hudsle]

Cuz nothing says "proud American patriot" like being a Loyalist

[@TheBlommel76]

Does he know the history of the royal line of England? There's a lot of blood there.

[@shadowjudge921]

he doesn't care. He just wants an authoritarian government. Or, at least, that's what he's paid to advocate for.

[@knowjusticeknowpeace15]

@@shadowjudge921 💯💯💯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ReeRee_is_watching_you]

A lot of blood shed and the consistency of the same blood mixing with the same blood and the same blood only... one might call that inces...

[@roberthunter6927]

@@ReeRee_is_watching_you To be fair, not all monarchical systems were incestuous. The Egyptians sure, they kept it really tight in the family, where brother married sister. The Japanese feudal system was different in another way. If you were the adopted son of a Lord or Shogun, it made no defence than being a natural offspring. The Germanic scheme from Henry the Fowler to Charlemagne [it started to break down after that to some extent] nobility only got you the ticket to make an "application", you had to be voted in as king from the class of nobles. In other words, not only a good politician but a good leader, and an able administrator and successful general. That was the reason why the Carolingian dynasty was so successful for so long. The Spartan kings were also very merit-based. [In their case, "merit" being efficient murders of peoples in other cities]. But basically, kings were warlords, formalised in status by god-warlords. Of course the Roman Emperors didn't need god's OK but nominated themselves AS gods! In theory they did consult the Roman gods, but somehow high persists seemed to agree with the current tyrant's opinion that he deserved the top job, and was indeed, divine! :-) Not mentioned so far are Queens, who on average, far exceeded the talent of Kings. I guess with the misogyny of the day. A so-so dude would do OK, but a lady had to be exceptional to survive and thrive. Most people know or can name Queens more than Kings, despite the fact that there were fewer of them.

[@matlight9593]

So much blood

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

Imagine calling yourself a "patriot" and then simping for the system we broke away from when this country was founded. What a joke of a human being Dave Rubin is lol. 🤣

[@DoomMomDot]

I'm a Canadian, and we are technically ruled by the King of England. A monarchy is good as a symbol, as long as the monarchy has no power.

[@HalfBackCrack]

How would Dave feel if the monarchy was leftist?

[@wafflegodpiechrist]

How long before they start suggesting people vote on which corporation should take over the executive branch instead?

[@georgeglass3680]

Too late

[@lukedorianblackwood4189]

If Rubin knew anything about history, he’d know monarchy is hardly “stabilizing.”

[@mrharry448]

?? The US Republic and Presidential system has presided over the bloodiest Civil War, genocide, the maintenance of slavery 40years after being abolished by all monarchies. Interference and overthrow of the leadership of multiple sovereign countries and declaration of war for economic gain in several instances. So abolish all Presedencies and Constitutions.

[@keithmiller9665]

I live in the UK and would get rid of the monarch TODAY. A working democracy is far more important. In the UK we have a king that has announced he would promote religion ahead of the wishes of the 52% of British people that are not religious ( see British Social Attitudes survey 36). This is the same king (when he was a prince) that defended the paedophile bishop Peter Ball. The king is also Supreme Governor of the Church of England, which also supported Peter Ball. In 70 years on the throne the former queen never met with the 12%-20% of British people that are atheists, not once. Monarchy? No thanks. The US fought a war to escape the UK monarchy, keep the benefits of being on the winning side.

[@shanegates678]

This proves Rubin knows nothing about history.

[@stackhat8624]

The British monarchy wasn't that stable around 30th January 1649. Especially Charles I's head. It was very unstable

[@jaynecobb6711]

That is what happens when your head is on the business end of a pike.

[@juintevrucht6079]

I have read that some of the Founding Fathers wanted Washington to be a monarch instead of President. He reminded them about what they had just fought against.

[@sawtooth808]

You would think someone like Curtis Yarvin would remember that 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@nickmccabe2327]

Didn't Dave brand himself as a Libertarian at one time? A monarchy is one of the least Libertarian things ever

[@justatiger6268]

Libertarian ideology in it's ultimate completion does in fact result in feudalism.

[@scarletwitch6023]

As a Brit, it’s a really conflicting topic bc on the one hand the history of England- Henry VIII, war of the roses, Elizabeth I etc is so closely linked to the royal family. I’m a history teacher as well, so I can’t help but know a lot of royal history. But on the other hand the monarchy and colonialism is the blackest mark in British history.

[@kriswillman2779]

Monarchies are the opposite of small governments or what conservatives claim they like

[@BlueDotEric]

I thought real conservatives hate the idea of monarchies, Dave?

[@andreasalm3620]

Real conservatives as in American conservatives? Because in an European context, conservatives are (or have been historically) monarchists.

[@BlueDotEric]

@@andreasalm3620 yes thank you for clarifying. That's what I meant with my statement.

[@andreasalm3620]

@@BlueDotEric No problem. Many political terms are often used very different depending on country. In my country (in Europe) a “liberal” is considered to be right wing in many cases, in opposition to a more socialist wing on the left.

[@BlueDotEric]

@@andreasalm3620 Really? Interesting.

[@grahamjones5400]

By Dave Rubin's analysis, Saudi Arabia must be better than California.

[@16driver16]

We HAD dictatorships/monarchys for thousands of years... why didn't it work in that time?

[@dominicdeshazo2285]

Seems pretty anti American to want a monarchy Dave

[@BooksForever]

Rubin says the word monarchy in each place where a rational person might say Constitution or Rule of Law instead.

[@katydidiy]

And all those beheadings - where would we be without them?

[@Palindrome78]

Then he can move to a country with a monarchy. What is stopping him?

[@nextchancenow7153]

Dave ate lead paint as a kid.

[@jeffreymarra231]

Lmao

[@sterlingfury]

Gotta grind out those greenbacks Dave

[@jonigarciajg]

Dave doesn't realize that royal families feuded with each other and the people suffered for it.

[@sps000111]

How can monarchy be permitted under the Constitution when the Constitution explicitly disallows titles of nobility to be issued by the government or accepted in any official capacity?

[@WaLTeRDeFiNiS]

To be clear, Dave is ok with a ruler, monarch, dictator, as long as that king has his political right-wing views. The irony here is that Dave wouldn't be part of that kind of monarchy.

[@D-E-S_8559]

These people always confuse traditional cultural values for their version of political conservatism, and it id from there that they get everything wrong, when they try to force their political values on everyone else via their policies and laws....

[@WaLTeRDeFiNiS]

@@D-E-S_8559 I don't get why tradition is so revered, when usually it halts any kind of progress in society

[@rickysargulesh1053]

Are people on the right still listening to Dave Rubin? I am curious. Let me know all you TYT hate watchers.

[@andeladeur2747]

He shouldn’t think out loud.

[@chocomojo9552]

" let's Hope WE picked the right dictator" does not sound like a great plan.....6:05

[@sawtooth808]

We would be _sooo_ f…ed

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

Dunkin' on Dave Rubin 👍 💪🚽💪🚽💪🚽 Greetings from the muscular class

[@antoe18]

I live in Birmingham, England and I dont think this guy realises that the Monarchs here (The British Royal Family) have any say in our modern laws and the way the country is governed. LoL

[@GeraLares]

The spirit of Michael Brooks lives in Rave Dubin's brain. iDeAs!!1!

[@conrradotorres4653]

Our Founding Fathers fled Europe because of monarchies

[@IrateTurkey]

No they didn't. They fled because of constant sectarian clashes between reformist and puritanical Christians.

[@mattbosley3531]

A monarchy is not the antithesis of a democracy. Many countries in Europe have constitutional monarchies. Don't make stupid statements. I frequently agree with you but this time you're completely wrong. It's not like our government is any better than the U.K., or Sweden, both countries that have monarchs and voting.

[@tylerbailey9329]

Lol, giga cope. Guess that justifies taxpayers dumping millions into funding figureheads then, eh?

[@dilionbananto]

@@tylerbailey9329 Our taxes fund figureheads and wars in America dumbass

[@andyking7949]

TBF you've already got a total Princess in Donald Trump

[@roadcalm3303]

The same thing applies to dictatorships that are passed down from generation to generation. How is that consistently working for North Korea?

[@philliphessel6788]

Perhaps Rubin has never heard of the Wars of the Roses or the War of the Austrian Succession - but George R. R. Martin certainly has!

[@sawtooth808]

So has Frank Herbert

[@gabrielsatter]

God. I wish we could get rid of some of these clowns after 4 years.

[@rogermiller6457]

Actually monarchy does not ensure any consistency except that the monarch has all the power. Every time a monarch dies and is replaced by an "heir" the fate of all laws and policies are at the whim of the new monarch. All laws and rules can be changed by the new monarch, or by the current monarch if he/she has a change of mind.

[@seppo532]

You are so incorrect it hurts. There are different types of monarchies. Magna Carta, look it up. Hamlet-the whole play turns on the fact that Hamlet is not elected King of Denmark.

[@mrharry448]

What are you talking about. The examples are UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Spain, Norway, Monaco. All have higher democracy index ratings than the US.

[@rogermiller6457]

@@mrharry448 they not full monarchies. They are constitutional monarchies with no governing power. Are you saying that he wants the USA to spend millions of dollars a year, minimum, to support a ceremonial monarchy with no governing power. I thought conservatives were all about keeping spending down.

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

He's read too many medieval based novels.

[@lucyross5478]

Just 25 years ago, my parents' right-wing friends scoffed because someone had a British ceremony on the television, a ceremony in which an official backed away from the Queen in a low bow (because you don't turn your back on the queen, I think.) "We came over here to get away from that nonsense," one of them said. Now, the ones who are still alive just want to be a subject to some strongman. As long as they can fly an American flag in their yard.

[@jacklarson6281]

Dave Rube obviously never studied the history of the Roman Emperors.

[@markbenjamin1703]

Denmark, Norway and Sweden all monarchies

[@CputtockDthomson]

Omg that Curtis guy is somewhere between looking wasted and I was expecting him to pop out from under a bridge and ask me riddles 😂

[@MyPetZombie84]

Have to say, I enjoy this channel, but you're off on this one. The UK monarchy is a constitutional monarchy and having the head of state stay the same can in fact be a stabilizing force in the country. You can still have a democratic government with a monarchy. You're confusing an absolute monarchy with a constitutional monarchy. And if you want to argue against the unelected holding positions of power indefinitely, I would start with your supreme court and work your way down all the way to Sheriffs offices in some states/counties. Amurica is weird

[@calisto9856]

Your own gov. Right now is a total shit show. Might wanna focus on that

[@barbiedahl]

Uhm, Sheriffs are elected, not appointed.🤔

[@MyPetZombie84]

@@barbiedahl depends on the state and county

[@MyPetZombie84]

@@calisto9856 not really 🤷🏼‍♂

[@VP_A-Team]

You beat me to it (by 3 days... late to the game). I just left a comment that Ana and Dave are talking about two different 'animals'. I also added that the Founding Fathers (some) tried 2 1/2 times to snag a monarch when they realized the mess they made. Cheers from Canada.

[@Jonathan-ic9ef]

The funny thing is that a lot of countries other than England actually do have royal families. These countries include Spain, Japan, Monaco, Malaysia, Morocco, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands, just to name a few. The reason why many of you have probably never heard of these royal families is because they aren't the attention whores that the British royals are and the only time you ever hear about them is if one of them marries, dies, abdicates, or is coronated. The relationship that monarchs have with modern society should reflect the etiquette expected of one when meeting a monarch: they should not speak unless spoken to.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

They aren't attention whores but that's because most of them are corrupt (like many insanely wealthy people) and utilise their position to gain benefits an ordinary citizens would be unable to do - the Spanish king literally abdicated and fled to country to escape corruption charges. Monarchies NEVER reflect modern society because they are literally a relic of feudalism.

[@davidbonilla7770]

“The idea of a monarchy so that SOMETHING remains… so that there’s a continuation of SOMETHING” real substantive thoughts dumb Dave.

[@loesweenink2940]

Modern monarchs just have ceremonial functions and exist within democracies with chosen prime ministers and parliaments who have executive power. I live in a constitutional monarchy (The Netherlands) and our king doesn't have any real power (thank god). It is a ridiculous institution, but quite harmless and a lot of Duth people like it.

[@barbiedahl]

Ever notice that the brightest shining lights of the Right are ALWAYS the dimmest bulbs in the string?

[@pwesiti]

That’s an Overton window shift over the period of like five hundred years.

[@edwardgobbo9685]

"The Empire brought order!" (Star Wars).

[@sophiophile]

If you want the absolute antithesis of a monarchy, you would want a meritocratic democracy. We do have dynastic families of powerful politicans and leaders, the most recent example being the Bushes.

[@Derti-fu6qu]

“Dave Rubin is a dumb man.” Succinctly put.

[@MaJoRMJR]

The monarchy is good for tourism, I'll concede that, especially given that I'm guilty of visiting many castles and Royal buildings, the Tower of London, Edinburgh Castle are marvellous examples. But I was a member of English Heritage last year and went to a number of castles, including the battle of Hastings site.

[@SionynJones]

No it's not Chester zoo gets more visitors than the royals. Moreover that certainly isn't a good thing to keep a bent monarchal system because tourists like it. France doesn't have a royal family anymore and that hasn't stopped tourism.

[@bravoalley228]

What is the evidence for that monarchy is good for tourism?

[@johnchricton6470]

Ummmm, the Queen or King over there don't have any law making powers right? Isn't it just a fancy for show title?

[@USARMY1682]

Yea, remember all those revolutionaries screaming save the monarchy. 1776 was apparently confused AF lol

[@adamrutherford8523]

The entire show the crown is about how monarchy is a bad idea, which is probably the show Dave rubin watched to learn that monarchies are good.

[@darhooster7739]

dave rubin is a court jester

[@kaleidoset2569]

This world is hopeless. People have become even dumber than before.

[@eatmorenachos]

So I guess Dave Rubin never heard of the Declaration of Independence, the Boston tea party or the Boston massacre.

[@suedavis3525]

As a Brit I can see an argument for a titular apolitical head of state. There is no argument for a hereditary monarchy Of course even in supposedly egalitarian societies a privileged wealthy class inevitably emerges.

[@carlpeberdy9086]

I'm British - The Monarchy is bad!

[@ovispeech]

Shame

[@LJ_nowandalways]

THIS

[@carlpeberdy9086]

@@ovispeech Indeed, the monarchy has a shameful history, especially from 1066, when the last English king of England was killed. Intrigue, murder, exploitation, colonial crimes, profiting from piracy and slavery - the royals endorsed it all.

[@ovispeech]

@@carlpeberdy9086 if you think it was the English that came up with all those things you are extremely wrong. Evil did not start in the world in 1066.

[@carlpeberdy9086]

@@ovispeech Don't be daft - I'm talking about some of the evils of the British monarchy - where did I say that evil was started in 1066 by the English? These evils are characteristics shared by all monarchies and elites in most power structures, especially when there is little to no accountability for their actions.

[@tonyrock5313]

If there was a republican king Dave and Boyfriend would be in jail.

[@captainadams8565]

Monarchs are meant to be separate to political parties. That's how it works in Great Britain.

[@VP_A-Team]

@@captainadams8565 Far more stable and resistant to abuse like in Canada.

[@treeblaque9991]

Harry and Megan are the perfect picture of royalty and I think thats why so many HATERS know it and are jealous because she's black, beautiful,graceful, and just a icon for women of color all around the world. I look at racism as a form of jealousy. To hate someone you don't know,never met, has done nothing to you is completely ridiculous. It has everything to do with their own low self-esteem and why they fear people who don't look like them and have surpassed social,educational, economical status that is equal or above their own. They feel so insecure of because our truth about history and how whites wealth is 80% profit from slavery. How the British stole the diamond from a child prince's crown ( on the queen of England crown now) over 400 million dollars stolen all from India. The united states profit from slavery is 6 billion dollars alone. So I can see why some people never want the past to be discussed in the present, but all that hate derived from a passed down history. It may not be a bad idea to know what our history books taught us but it's a good idea to know what the the truth about history really is. I'd rather know history truth ,being the good and bad , rather than pass on the lie I grew up with. The monarchy is fine because that's what you believe nothing but the funny thing is with Diana and Charles and they can divorce, Fergie and her husband can divorce, but Harry and Meghan don't want to deal with that crap, so they leave. With time comes change and the good people they, made William and Kate look less than. They were popular, devoted time to projects of charity around the world( like Lady Diana) and that wasn't William or kate, and so the Haters set in to do what they do best.... The sad backlash is Harry's & Megan's children won't receive any royal titles is ridiculous... All because they don't know how dark his skin is going to be? 😭 The world we live in

[@4idhero798]

Rubin is already living in an imaginary monarchy where he's king of grifters pretending he's loved and accepted by the kingdom of the right.

[@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031]

Now they can change the name of the republican party for "the old red coated party".

[@gagaplex]

The French had the right idea.

[@shadowjudge921]

The guillotine?

[@kaleidoset2569]

French Fries or bread?

[@kaleidoset2569]

Ohhh, French Toast? Gotcha!😂

[@redmed10]

So this is what some people in usa have come to conclude about the American president. Abraham Lincoln said, "Democracy is a rule of the people, for the people and by the people" means nothing to them. Conservatives are always happy with the current state of affairs because everything has run in their favour all their lives. They don't take kindly to their influence being diminished.

[@ezOqekuRitusohI]

A Constitution is also "something that remains over generations...so there is a continuation of something."

[@illsaveus]

Do you know what remains over generations and generations? the constitution

[@SpaceForceCommander]

I think the British Parliamentary System works better in countries like Canada, Australia & New Zealand but it’s worse in Britain itself because of Hereditary Peers.

[@markbenjamin1703]

As a Brit, I would love for the sole governing body to be Hereditary Peers, they have a genetic and engrained love for England compared to here today gone tomorrow politicians

[@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts]

@@markbenjamin1703 No. No they don't. Their 'love' completely evaporates once it means them giving up their ill-gotten gains.

[@markbenjamin1703]

@@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Hereditary Peers are some of the finest people in the land, experienced across the board from Military Officers, Business(wo)men and Jurists

[@ElCatrinMuerto]

"Dave Rubin is a Dumb man" 🤣🤣🤣

[@deborahneale7048]

Presumably he's never lived under one so how would he know? by the way you can have a monarchy in a democracy as we in Britain have. It's a constitutional monarchy . we still elect prime ministers and members of parliament that actually make decisions on laws etc.. However I wouldn't recommend having one family as head of state .

[@poplife123]

Well he is an old queen 👑.....

[@4boutTime]

tyt ought to check their jealousy.

[@doritofan1002]

Wait I thought monarchies were the reason we needed the 2nd amendment?

[@robertdickerson8195]

Of course Rubin would be all for monarchies, after all, he is the queen of his own castle.

[@michaelbuehler3897]

Monarchies are a *BAD* idea.

[@aliayatolla1419]

agree

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

It's sad that, that has to be said in the 21st century, but here we are.

[@tmcd5049]

Magats want Don Jr to rule after daddykins? But he isn't even orange enough! He makes Diaper Don look like a member of MENSA!

[@deeznutz7064]

This guy has the nerve to say the left disagrees with the founding fathers. I love due process, free speech, promoting the general welfare and The Republic!

[@MonsieurBjornReddy]

We’ve been living under the same economic dictatorship for almost 200 years.

[@zengergazette9738]

You failed history

[@b.a.60]

"Why are you so obsessed with me?" Dave to TYT

[@anthonystewart3185]

They just waste money that could be used to help others like the billions in lobbying and political donations

[@antmagor]

Yes Dave, monarchy is so helpful for society that we being such a loyal subjects in 1776 rebelled against King George the third of house Hanover just because we thought he might be bored. We gave him so much amusement with that Mary little war that we decided to keep it going for the past 246 years so that our future sovereigns would not be bored. God save the King (Sarcasm).

[@ecatskid]

So I'm guessing he isn't considering that the king would make him and his family toilet cleaners for generations. They never think that just maybe that they would be peasants under this new rule .

[@oliviamoore3426]

I think this is something the right and the left can agree on monarchy is a bad idea

[@antinatalope]

A monarchy is only good if it's a constitutional monarchy. Heavy on the constitution.

[@mlggamer5296]

My thoughts on this thing he clearly wants a monarchy based on how much respect he has for the people in Britain the Royal Family. If you ask me he's just one big kiss up

[@TheTilitus]

Some people just needs to be ruled. Thay sould just get a dominatrix and get with their kink insted of puching it on all of us.

[@lizzybennet5726]

Damn... That's a proto-conservative take right there!! Rubin pulled an argument straight from Marquess of Halifax.

[@amyjones2490]

Well I’ll tell you what, going one step forward and ten steps back every few years is doing nothing for the American people. Because of this nothing has progressed for people in decades.