Dave Smith VS Vaush HEATED DEBATE On Ukraine, NATO, Nuclear War

[@tatianalyulkin410]

The minute some " expert " says the conflict started with Russia invading in 2022 I start getting nauseous.

[@priyogopalsingha3487]

So, will you say the same for a premeditated murder where "the reason" was justified then we dont the condemn the murderer and instead justify it. Seems like similar case here, whatever led to the invasion cannot justify another bigger country invading a sovereign nation at this day and age. I am from India and China is doing the same tactics everyday but India has developed as a good enough military power so we can handle China on our own if there is an attempt of an invasion in our country, cannot say the same for Ukraine.

[@jaymakak]

The latest invasion is simply when Putin's acts became criminal. Until then it was just a skirmish over Crimea. A place most counties still do NOT recognize as belonging to Russia. Currently, Putin has an arrest warrant issued from an International Criminal Court for alleged acts in Ukraine.

[@satyadasgumbyji8956]

​@@priyogopalsingha3487Western Kool-Aid, friend! How much Bezos, Gates stake in ole Hindustan these days? SMGDMFH!🙄 🤘🌎❤️

[@TommyGunz327]

@@priyogopalsingha3487 You’re clearly not very bright. 🤡

[@TheShalalai]

Russian “volunteers “ were active in the area before 2022. This tactic had been used by both sides, for example ww1 and ww2 American volunteers were present at the conflict zone, without Americans officially being at war.

[@Curse44]

Straight to comments.

[@cleb5558]

😂 💯

[@Ren-ns3lo]

😂😂😂

[@InsanityCorps]

Not disappointed in the least

[@firerose7936]

Exactly! 😂

[@fredgarvinMP]

Same. Confirmed, I am not crazy.

[@Kloutkulture]

Dave Smith stop ducking Destiny

[@kjakarice]

This is a joke. You’re supposed to be serious news and have on Vaush!? Good lord you guys suck now

[@TheKustms]

The one thing i took away from this is… “this dude has a 2000’s republican approach to world politics.” And that is NOT a good thing.

[@marketingIdeaslol]

Dave smith “vas uh stop interrupting me!” Cause: 😶

[@jordanpalmer5283]

Remember when leftists used to be against war ?

[@reykomi6327]

Yeah, sad to see people like Dave, who call themselves leftist but unconditionally side with fascist regimes invading neighbouring countries

[@petri2767]

Rightists have always consistently simped for foreign authoritarian dictators

[@boomboomskidskid]

Being against Russia invading sounds like that

[@ericsuarez834]

We have always being against war, that's why we support Russia

[@boomboomskidskid]

@@ericsuarez834" I'm against war, so I am pro offensive war" is the craziest take I've ever heard

[@lastmanstanding1636]

Russia didn't started the conflic in 1962. Cuba's missiles were placed in Cuba by the USSR because the United States placed missiles in Turkey and in Italy. So, it was still in reaction to the actions that the Americans started against them. Again.

[@geehod_jimmy3544]

(((Americans)))

[@samexoldx]

blah blah blah bot

[@lexiusugrymius9392]

​@@samexoldx it's soooooo deep.( nope).

[@alexanderboulton2123]

Wait...if that's the case, was the Bay of Pigs Invasion and all those assassination attempts on Castro justified? Because those were all examples of the US taking action in response to the USSR expanding its sphere of influence to within that of the US.

[@alexanderboulton2123]

And the US implemented the Truman Doctrine because communist expansion would have threatened their capitalist regime. And we return to Square 1.

[@smoki2021]

Note: Pre- Bay of Pigs the US placed nukes in Turkey aimed at Russia. Ultimately, behind the scenes, Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed that the US would remove nukes and the Soviet Union would withdraw. Stipulation was the agreement never be made public.

[@edwardtora]

Beat it, nerd. We're talking about Vaush's 'tax' folder.

[@alanbeam7187]

​@edwardtora Even though what that guy said was true and relevant, I stand by your response! There's a time for "facting" and there's time for "vaushing" 😅😅😅

[@smoki2021]

@@edwardtora 😂😂❤️

[@smoki2021]

@@alanbeam7187 I would normally be jumping on that too. I was just so pissed off about EVERYTHING today.

[@smoki2021]

@@edwardtora 😂😂I’ll join you for a proper Vaush bashing next time! Was just really bent out of shape today.

[@dustinhessel9605]

Bringing up the bay of pigs without mentioning US bases in Turkey seems disingenuous.

[@skylanh4319]

And why did the US put missiles in Turkey??? There was a reason. Russia put missiles, troops and equipment on its boarder to Georgia. It seems disingenuous to pretend either party was to blame. In life and chess teams make moves to advance their interests and in response to others moves.

[@dustinhessel9605]

@@skylanh4319 on their border to Georgia? Still within their own country ? Outrageous!!

[@dustinhessel9605]

@@skylanh4319 yea it’s called the Monroe doctrine

[@meshzzizk]

both you and the guy in the video are screwing up the timeline and causal sequence of these events, i.e. basically just confusing the bay of pigs with the cuban missile crisis

[@angelozachos8777]

@@skylanh4319 Russia put missiles on its border shared with Georgia , only 15 years after they lost almost 30 million of their own from an invading European nation ? That’s irrational ! 🙄

[@detrockcity3]

You can't bring up missiles in Cuba without bringing up missiles in Turkey.

[@LudwigHorsecock]

yes he can if Dave is too dumb to bring it up

[@frequenco5545]

Amen

[@acewings221]

Oh shit that’s a great point lol. Funny how Russia didn’t invade Turkey

[@onanysundrymule3144]

​@@acewings221Instead Russia countermoved with Cuba, so then America took its missiles out of Turkey. That last bit was, well, ahem....... less publicised........ because USA always likes to play the dick-swinging Chad part, and not be 'seen' to go home limp. It did go home limp, it's just that many didn't get to hear about it - by design. Because it went home limp the United Satans had to prove it's manhood all over again by beating up on little countries like Vietnam, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Granada etc etc just to prove to the world how big and strong he is.

[@philoubertjeanlouis4682]

@@acewings221Turkey is a part of NATO that would have been war with the USA

[@dchappy6985]

Dushe's arguments are pure sophistry.

[@HENNK]

I'm with Dave here, the Glasses here is missing pink hair and has no good argument, just dreams and hopes.

[@willweeverlearn7548]

Vaush is the field version of the white house press secretary.

[@gnomatic]

Not pro-Israel enough. They would hate him.

[@chrisPain07]

I laughed

[@Haterofvictimmentality]

@@gnomatic He’s just as pedo as them. 😂

[@joetrader1942]

Dave Smith vs. horse and loli 🌽 guy??? Is Camille Paglia vs. Stormy Daniels next month?

[@mehtacotute]

"Are we the baddies?"

[@duncanmacleod6274]

Yes, a country that isn't fighting in the war and can't control the outcome aside from supplying the victim to defend themselves, is somehow "the baddie".

[@eduardobranco8349]

@@duncanmacleod6274 sorry man, but outside of the civil war in congo, the us has been responsible for the most amount of deaths since 1990. you can't really say you are the good guy when you kill everybody. plus the overthrowing of governments and stuff

[@alexanderpoloupanov2543]

Vaush commenting on military matters with such confidence is a joke. He really shouldn't be pretending to know what he's talking about.

[@jsharp9735]

I'd love for him to go over there and defend "democracy".

[@BajatheChickenMan]

I had never heard of him until today but this guy sounds like a reddit mod.

[@735337707]

Vaush is as good of an expert as Smith is.

[@angelantayhua3096]

@@jsharp9735yes because Russia is less democratic than Ukraine….

[@jsharp9735]

@@angelantayhua3096 One that is not true, and secondly you didn't get my sarcasm. Ukraine is not a democracy.

[@BuckeyeRutabaga]

As far as I understand, the Soviets didn't start flirting with Cuba just to antagonize the US. Their involvement with Cuba was also a reaction to the mid range missile installment in Turkey which Soviets perceived as a direct threat and the Soviets just wanted to install their own pawn in the Western hemisphere in order to either have a parity of the mid-range missile strike capability or to trade it for the removal of the threat from Turkey. The latter came to fruition and the Soviets effectively played their Cuban "Pawn". It was also a reaction and not a proactive provocation on the part of the Soviets.

[@Limen2402]

That's a right one.

[@justing7490]

people tend to not talk about turkiye...

[@FloofyMinari]

It's also not relevant to Ukraine. The US isn't trying to install nukes in Ukraine. If it wanted to do so, the US would just put them in the baltics which already border Russia. Nevermind the fact thay Nuke technology has evolved and no longer relies on proximity to your enemy as it did in the 60s.

[@LudwigHorsecock]

yeah bc Russia was looking to *invade* Turkey. They took Moldova, Georgia, Crimea, and currently Ukraine as they look to invade throughout Europe. Turkey is a buffer zone between Russia and the Middle East, of course we were going to arm it to prevent an invasion. Do you not understand anything about geopolitics? And you seriously think that the Bay of Pigs wasn't a "provocation"? Keep defending Russia, Vatnik

[@waynetables6414]

The sparks that began the Cuban revolution had nothing to do with the Soviet Union and everything to do with US imperialism and the gangster colonialists and compradors ruling Cuba. Castro was not even a communist, circumstances turned him into one organically and he reached out to the USSR, not the other way around. People call the Soviet Union an empire because they don’t understand Marxism and don’t understand that when USSR went abroad, they were losing money, not making money. Empires are parasites, the USSR was the opposite whether you agree with them or not

[@torgitron]

Vausch only argues in hypotheticals

[@geehod_jimmy3544]

Yes, he's a mentally ill neoliberal leftist, redundant I know.

[@ashfox7498]

Hypotheticals actually address the issue and cut people off from going on some stupid rant that has nothing to do with anything. No wonder Vaush's opponents hate them, they certainly don't come into the debates thinking they can make a good point to anyone

[@Fourttrax]

Dave Smith used hypotheticals during this conversation too.

[@ryv2484]

I noticed that every counter argument he provides so confidently is a “maybe” statement that hinges on his warped understanding of human nature.

[@greatdude7279]

@@ashfox7498 "Hypotheticals actually address the issue and cut people off from going on some stupid rant that has nothing to do with anything." Hypotheticals are only useful when they are as realistic as possible when they become too abstract to the point you can justify anything including pedophilia being moral then you lost the plot. "No wonder Vaush's opponents hate them, they certainly don't come into the debates thinking they can make a good point to anyone" And what good point did Vaush make?

[@ankalagon45]

Dave Smith would run away from battlefrield when war started

[@HunterTaylor-rg8yq]

Rule number 5- you’re an idiot!

[@TastyLootGaming]

Vaush looking like Stanley Tucci in The Lovely Bones

[@grimmes1159]

This has nothing to do with horses so vaush already lost

[@petetown13]

I see a lot of horse comments but I don’t get it. What did I miss here?

[@grimmes1159]

@@petetown13 vaush has admitted to being attracted to horses/ wanting to be one doing weird stuff. Not sure how to word it without it instantly getting deleted lol

[@JonathanB138]

​@petetown13 A bunch of people running their fucking mouths, because they don't have lives. I will repeat which feels like the 16,000th time.. if you think he is a threat to the public then call the police, FBI, CIA, Interpool, or whomever, otherwise, just stop talking about it

[@petetown13]

@@JonathanB138 somebody is a bit bitter

[@wurgel1]

@@petetown13 Based on some of the comments with more detail? (And take it with a big grain of salt due hearsay) Aparently he made a mistake and revealed his porn-folder on a livestream.

[@freekdeniro8623]

They put missles in Cuba to Balance the missles in Turkey. The US again provoked the Cuba Missle crisis.

[@jackchid6040]

And the USSR covertly gave Castro nukes and made it absolutely clear that any US invasion would start a war. If the US had acted the same with Ukraine this war would have been averted.

[@freekdeniro8623]

@@jackchid6040 the world has moved on. The US is not the only nuclear super power or economic power anymore. The neocons need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[@Алексей545-т6б]

@@jackchid6040 Nope. More likely nuclear war would start

[@barnsnoble3105]

@@Алексей545-т6бno lmao

[@barnsnoble3105]

No, soviets putting nukes in Cuba provoked the Cuban missile crisis. No, the soviets propping up a communist dictatorship in Cuba provoked the US. No, the soviets occupying half of Europe and installing puppet states provoked the US.

[@ibrahimkamara9508]

Vaush doesn't have anything interesting to say nor any expertise to bring to the table. I wish people would stop platforming him (and Destiny).

[@RKDTOO]

I don't really listen to Vaush, he does seem somewhat cringy here, but Mr. Bornelly is equivalent to a left toe of Vaush.

[@markell598]

Exactly 💯

[@KrinkleBear]

21:26 of course Vaush interrupts with a strawman

[@AnyoneCanSee]

The map of Eastern Europe hasn't changed since Putin came to power apart from his invasion of Ukraine. So Dave (holocaust denier) Smith was talking nonsense.

[@davidtaggart3692]

Vausch is here so you all can Dunk on him and feel good

[@habitatfarm]

Nothing involving Vausch makes me feel good

[@Sidharthavicious]

​@@habitatfarmIs that a direct quote from his body pillow?

[@LordRykard9376]

Hes as close to being a goblin a man can get.

[@ricksflicks-]

Well, good, it worked.

[@jsharp9735]

When does anyone feel good for talking about Vaush ? puke.

[@TheAdamGiles]

America's stance with war: rounding third base and asking if there are any condoms.

[@jackdenihan5333]

Nah creampie and asking if we can pay for plan B

[@koreypickering9338]

Cream pie, and pretending we're going to "pull out"

[@breakupgoogle]

oh we are fullonrapist but we say philanthropist

[@HarryKamal-c4d]

Damn I hope Vaush isn't reading these comments. May need to call the suicide hotline!

[@mrsnrub282]

Not really it just proves how much of an echo chamber you people are in.

[@nibiay3985]

@@mrsnrub282 Sounds like you are projecting. i dont take his fanboys seriously anyways.

[@canisrex5142]

They/them have them on speed dial.

[@nibiay3985]

@@canisrex5142 LMAO

[@Person0fColor]

@@mrsnrub282 yea dood we live in a bubble Vaush is dumb as hell that fool usese words like "good" "bad" "right" "wrong" and has no idea what they mean

[@aa-qx1cg]

Anyone notice how Vaush does this fake little grimace/smile every time Dave brings up Mearsheimer? It isn't even a real smile or real amusement, it's almost like a manipulative social cue to his audience that this isn't someone they should pay attention to.

[@Blarg6306]

At the same time every word Vaush speaks is confirmation that I shouldn't take him seriously 😂

[@dturner8567]

Vaush deliberately leaves out this part: Note: Pre- Bay of Pigs the US placed nukes in Turkey aimed at Russia. Ultimately, behind the scenes, Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed that the US would remove nukes and the Soviet Union would withdraw. Stipulation was the agreement never be made public. AGAIN the US pushed Russia, and Russia reacted.

[@mehrshadvr4]

Well to be honest in principle , Walsh is correct that Ukraine has a right to do anything it pleases without being bullied by Russia. You can’t be against imperialism and still defend Russia for being provoked. Just like U.S shouldn’t do anything if Cuba decided to put Soviet nuclear weapons in their own country.

[@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721]

@@mehrshadvr4 That's not how superpowers act though. "Walsh is correct that Ukraine has a right to do anything it pleases without being bullied by Russia" No, he's not right. You can't do anything you want. Countries are a) free to do whatever they want but they b) have to take into consideration security concerns of others. You're only telling one half of the geopolitical rule.

[@themissingpeace7956]

@@mehrshadvr4 If you're a cat living next to a bear, you can't just do whatever you want. You still have to take into account the bare minimum the bear is willing to tolerate, otherwise you get mauled. Same thing with the U.S. and Mexico.

@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721 And that would be relevant if Russia didn't broke its treaties. US gave word not to invade Cuba and Cuba removes nuclear missiles. Russia gave similar word to Ukraine in 1994 and Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons. 20 years later in 2014, Russia breaks it word. US, to this day, honors it word to Cuba. What this is about is that one compromise was done and agreed upon, then 2014 Russia started demanding more. And in 2022 more. How many times you can agree on things and then demand more before it comes unacceptable?

[@RyanSpringer1984]

I'd recommend Oliver Stone's documentary on Ukraine to anyone who hasn't seen it.

[@RyanSpringer1984]

Rumble has it.

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

It's here too, but under green tree productions I think it was🤔

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

The one that starts with the documentor riding a BMP at night with the DRF pre mobilization is also good/heartbreaking, trying to remember the name 🤔🤔🤔... I'll try find it...

[@RyanSpringer1984]

@@myresponsesarelimited7895 thanks, glad to see KZbin is no longer censoring it

[@ObjectiveMedia]

It’s somewhat eye opening for the completely uninformed but it ultimately still only touches the tip of iceberg…

[@Smayor75]

So, this is a fully anti-establishment/anti-USA comment thread. Got it. 😵‍💫

[@Happy-I-Am-]

Lmao the host says we can’t let other countries invade, but we sure can let ourselves go ahead and change the regime in any given country cuz we r bored right ?

[@VictoriaPobieda]

The aggressor in this war is those who surrounded Russia with military bases, and prepared the Rapid Global Strike with the help of a "Ukrainian case". United States of America Military Empire (U.S.-AME) manages over 800 military bases in 70+ countries, plus occupying troops at “military facilities” in another 90 countries. U.S. funds 50 military bases of several countries where it can also have its troops. Many of these countries are in Central America and Colombia. The U.S. has 95% of the world’s foreign bases. It also has scores of ships sailing around the world with nuclear weapons on the ready. The U.S. has innumerably more military bases on its own land than several countries together: 4,154 bases in its 50 states and 114 in its territories. Russia has nine military bases and two radar/communication facilities in nine countries, most of them former Soviet Republics. It has around 50,000 military personnel stationed in these bases, half of them at the Sevastopol Crimea naval base. U.S.-AME rulers have the goal to accuse Russia, and earlier the Soviet Union, of being a threat to world peace, of annexing foreign territory, of meddling into the affairs of other nations even the “greatest democracy on earth”. This is classic psychological projection according to Orwell.

[@Happy-I-Am-]

@@VictoriaPobieda четко и по делу 👌 ur on point

[@skylanh4319]

Literally every country tries to influence the elections of other countries in a way it benefits them. And most will or would if they could eliminate any threat. Welcome to the real world. Loving like a hippie and thinking the world will leave you alone is the most naive thing my fellow libertarians believe.

[@skylanh4319]

Russia is surrounded because it is not an island and none of its neighbors like them. lol

[@Happy-I-Am-]

@@skylanh4319 true it’s just messed up that the powerful ones hide by the “democratic principles” legend when in whole Actuality it’s just the way you’ve said it

[@cheddulous]

Opening statement from Vaush: Firing weapons will bring peace. wow yeah man totally

[@Albastern]

If peace is your goal with a belligerent party, appeasing wont work. You will give them everything they want and sell yourself in the process. And still you will end up being their victim or aligning with them. If you are a nation, you will give them so much power over you, that at worst you might as well be occupied. Your only option for peace then is precautions. Defencive pacts, alliances, threat of meaningful consequences. Deterrence works. If you are at war, surrendering sure does end the war, but not in a way beneficial to you. You might even lose more than you do by fighting. In this case it would embolden putin. That would mean more war and more death.

[@jgg3080]

@@Albastern Your comment is spot on and should be pinned at the top of this video. The only response this audience will have is a nihilistic one of “It was going to happen anyway so why fight at all?”

[@BatmanISTheGame]

@@Albastern At this point Russia gonna have to end it

[@TheArkwelder]

It's even worse than that. He says he doesn't have a solution, therefore they should just keep fighting (I guess until he thinks of one).

[@mcmeissner9394]

It’s breathtaking how ignorant people are on war. Literal schoolyard take. If Russia stops shooting, the war ends, if Ukraine stops shooting, they don’t have a country.

[@TADison7]

Dude Vaush LOL why is the kid didler here?

[@iljastalberg5610]

Pardon ? i dont Follow Vashu ....do you have a link to info or something cose thats seems far fetched, to didle something you need to plan it and we all know Vashu cant think straight not to mention planning

[@aaronanderson6128]

@@iljastalberg5610 “I have yet to hear a convincing moral or legal argument as to why possession of child pornography should be illegal.” as quoted by Vaush on one of his live streams. If you want more evidence of his relative unhinged takes. There's an article on the bluepill subreddit detailing the many MANY insane things he's said on either his discord or his live streams. I can provide a link but it's best you find it yourself so you dont think i'm trying to hack your shit or something. It's incredibly dissapointing that BP is willing to have someone like this on their platform.

[@GenX1964]

VOWSH. VESH. VISH. VOOOSH. VI VINNI VISHI

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

Lmfao since when do leftists echo NATO talking points, and supposdd right wingers champion anti western imperialism? Wtf timeline is this

[@cptnomar492]

Vaush is not a leftist lol. Even leftist hate him

[@Limen2402]

​@@cptnomar492to be fair, everyone hates him. But he still is more left than anything else.

[@waynetables6414]

If you understand how power operates you understand the concept of divide and conquer and controlled opposition. Traditionally it is the left that opposes power and the right who conserves it, so Power flips that on its head and tells you the Chinese communists are running the country and that the establishment’s enemies are the people’s enemies. The “leftists” Power funds and promotes on their platforms like KZbin are people like Vaush, who are neocons with left aesthetics.

[@waynetables6414]

Libertarians will never be a meaningful threat to the system because they ultimately are utopian idealists.. and what is called “the left” is not a threat to anyone because they are neo-cons. Divide and rule and controlled opposition are tools Power uses to present archetypes of acceptable dissent. People like Vaush’s function is to take superficially left inclined dumb people and get them to support the capitalist American empire.

[@axl-j9o]

This is fascinating. My current understanding is that Ukraine's government is the one refusing "unfavourable" negotiations. The real discussion to be had is if the West should apply some pressure on both sides to reach peace, i.e. no support if Ukraine refuses, double support if Russia refuses. Even if not ideal for Ukraine, it's reasonable to say it's fair as the cost of support. But American politics are too polarized to have sane people have a sane discussion. The left/Vausch nefariously do their best to not yield that a negotiation would be sensible. They talk to a right wing conspiracy idiot, and instead of pressing them on the 3 things they say that are both insane and known RT propaganda, they are too busy walking around the fact that negotiation might make sense with pro-war moral pandering. The fact that NATO is against negotiation doesn't get "debunked " is very concerning. They have to understand that having no such plans even considered is the biggest reason people fall on the red side on this issue... I care about the outcome of the war, and I can't find a way to believe either side isn't nefarious and di**ing around with the lives of millions of people on the frontline for election purposes without a minimal humane concern for the insane monthly casualties. Nothing new I guess, but I'd have hoped it'd be a good way to win some votes, and better than brainless war funding or brainless Putin-pandering.

[@itsnothing7]

I'm surprised they were able to get Vaush on without compensating him with a horse bride.

[@fartface5172]

I'm sure he uses horse "toys" the same way smokers use nicotine patches

[@AtticusKarpenter]

husband*

[@dingaling487]

Vaush has the foreign policy credentials of a toddler

[@sislater6334]

I asked my 3 year old grandson if we should send daddy on an airplane to fight Russia and he said no so unfortunately vaush loses again.

[@AryanManIam]

Vaush loves the toddlers IYKYK

[@StinkCabbage]

Well the irony of your infantile comment that it takes expertise to understand things that are not beyond the capacity of a literate 12 year old is quite telling. You've been so indoctrinated into believing it takes special knowledge and training to understand how international affairs and work, you've lost the forest for the trees. Politics and foreign relations are trivial in comparison to fields that truly require specialized knowledge like nuclear or quantum physics. The social world is trivial. You have to be able to read and comprehend and have common sense, but it's not that deep. Experts want you to.feel like it is to justify their salaries.and professorship. But it's a bad trick you shouldn't fall for

[@brumalh5548]

f vasuh but he's an intellectual power house over Dave "America bad" smith

[@officeimpact6377]

​@@brumalh5548america IS the biggest literal cancer/Bully on the planet but ok

[@valeriyo]

Vaush missed the whole "fight till last ukranian", and "weaken russia", and "billions of minerals" side of the U.S. policy

[@boomboomskidskid]

I think you missed the whole " we are a sovereign nation and we are being invaded, please help us with weapons like you said you would so there would be less nukes in the world" and the "calling us a puppet state is pretty messed up. We make our own choices about independence" parts of Ukrainian policy

[@valeriyo]

@boomboomskidskid I haven't heard a bigger load of crap since the U.S. invasion of Iraq 😂

[@boomboomskidskid]

@@valeriyo lmao so you were pro invasion of Iraq then?

[@valeriyo]

@@boomboomskidskid you make no sense, good bye 😂

[@boomboomskidskid]

@@valeriyo Russia is the united states in this situation. And Ukraine is Iraq. How do you not get that?

[@HD82345]

14:34 “If you’re putting me in the hypothetical, you can’t change anything before this, we’re already here.” Sooooooo…..? The hypothetical of…. The here and now….??? The hypothetical of….. real life that doesn’t have time travel where you can just go back and changes things…..??????

[@adriaanmetzelaar8744]

Crazy, it was placing nuclear missiles in Turkey that made Krushev try to place missiles in Cuba. It was totally different than spouted here

[@paulcarfantan6688]

Krushchev didn`t try putting missiles in Cuba, he did put them there.

[@furiousapplesack]

Wow. 5000 comments and almost none invalidated a single thing Vaush said. Just a bunch of goofballs in turf they feel belongs to them, celebrating their VDS in a gigantic circle-jerk. Fuggin' hilarious!

[@furiousapplesack]

@@Shanegee510 I'm sure you believe that, among other ridiculous nonsense. Go ahead and prove me wrong then, genius. Refute something he said.

[@SnakeWasRight]

People always introduce dave as a comedian or generic podcaster, but what he really is, is the unofficial leader of libertarians.

[@Suptamoto]

Dictator appeasor

[@michaelsean09]

@@Suptamotoyes, libertarians and dictators are very aligned. You made an excellent point that doesn’t make you look like you’re politically illiterate at all. Keep up the good work.

[@jakeroper1096]

He makes neocons sound cool. Can’t wait to vote for Nikki again

[@skylanh4319]

Only one fraction of libertarians. The other Caucuses are crazy weirdos nobody would claim.

[@rustlecompton]

That would be Ron Paul Every position Smith has, is a page from the good Dr

[@PhilippDr]

Old Turkish proverb - If two neighbors start fighting in the morning, then one of them had a British sleep in his house. Ukraine had British sleeping with them for all these years, Americans have British sleeping with them all these years. Britain is the major factor for this case.

[@postmodernerkindergartner960]

I cringed so hard when vaush was mentioning the situation in germany regarding the afd, made me realize how superficial outsider perspectives really are, meh

[@othernamesweretaken1871]

And this guy is particularly bad at making high resolution judgements on the factual nature of things. If you’re a German, I’m rooting for you guys. You’ve been through a staggering lot (especially lately) and I really don’t want to see another country go down to leftist political corruption and overt tampering like in France and the UK.

[@voidNvain]

Vaush is clown shoes.

[@glenjo0]

Please, this is serious subject, get some experts like Lawrence Wilkerson, John Mearsheimer, Larry Johnson or Ray McGovern to discuss this.

[@hazelwray4184]

Quincy Institute - Sumantra Maitra.

[@Vorse_Raider]

It is ridiculous to call Mearsheimer an expert. If you're going to have him on, you should have on Timothy Snyder to balance his delusional opinions.

[@hazelwray4184]

@@Vorse_Raider Timothy Snyder is a delusional russo-phobe. He's an idealogue who subscribes to the Wolfowitz Doctrine / Project for the New American Century, neo-con agenda. Jeffrey Sachs Glenn Diesen Col Lawrence Wilkerson Chas Freeman Col Jacques Baud Ambassador Jack F Matlock Alfred-Maurice de Zayas Sumantra Maitra Anatol Lieven Nicolai Petro Richard Sakwa Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft Daniel Davis deep dive Judge Napolitano Neutrality Studies Alexander Mercouris

[@hazelwray4184]

@@Vorse_Raider Timothy Snyder lacks credibility. Glenn Diesen Glenn Greenwald Anatol Lieven Nicolai Petro Chas Freeman Col Lawrence Wilkerson Col Jacques Baud Alfred-Maurice de Zayas Ambassador Jack F Matlock Sumantra Maitra Richard Sakwa Daniel Davis deep dive Neutrality Studies Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft Alexander Mercouris

[@hazelwray4184]

@@Vorse_Raider Timothy Snyder 😴

[@aldofromsf]

The Ukrainian counteroffensive was a "complete disaster" because it went without air superiority, which is the way NATO fights wars. It could not be done. Ukraine pulled plug to save troops.

[@stevejones8550]

Vausch is top 5 biggest scumbags online. Just.... the worst

[@ChickenInTheRaw4]

How so?

[@ChickenInTheRaw4]

Don’t know much about vaush so I’m curious

[@ky9616]

​@@ChickenInTheRaw4 Vaush is into Loli

[@russianboy9241]

​@ChickenInTheRaw4 don't forget mate u can edit ur previous comment instead writing two separate ones

[@stevejones8550]

@@ChickenInTheRaw4 hfes defended pedophilia on multiple occasions

[@StruggleoftheOutsider]

@57:00 If you have No Solution, even theoretically, what the hell is the value of your devil's advocate waffling and moralizing that always relieves regime authority of ultimate accountability? Who is this for? Bad theatre.

[@robinhoode3875]

Vaush sounds straight out of 2016

[@Jillywinkles12]

I hear very little discussion about the difference between east and west Ukraine. Crimea and Donbas are majority pro-russian and always have been, it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise

[@Alcani3ca]

Isnt vaush the pdf file that got caught with horse corn on his computer?

[@Mrz-bq2yb]

Also drawings of cp

[@diego61422]

26:30 dave smith: your argument relies on a contrafactual Also dave smiths core argument: HAD nato not expanded, Putin WOULDNT HAVE invaded

[@Blarg6306]

Why does the US government think it gets to just ignore other countries and their boundaries is my question. If Russia or China decided they were bringing Mexico into a global military alliance, and we had very clearly warned them against such action and they did it anyway, the US absolutely would have invaded out of provocation. And Russia would be sitting back and saying that our invasion of poor Mexico is unjust and they wouldn't be sending soldiers but would send them military equipment. The only difference is that the US is far stronger militarily and much more aggressive (and yeah, war hungry ad Dave says repeatedly), so outright war would have gotten here much quicker. Who knows. If shit continues to flow downhill at this rate maybe someone in a few hundred years will manage to access a database (after teaching themselves how to read in the ruins of a public library) with this conversation and wonder what a "Putin" is and what it tastes like.

[@pazgames8016]

The patience displayed by the comedian whilst handling the completely brainwashed guy with the rose colored glasses it is pretty impressive. The comedian actually used logic. The other guy. Bless his heart.😊

[@kylleepstein6954]

Just say you have an agenda. Neither did a great job but the guy vaush definitely didn’t lose.

[@danielmalone6536]

I like when Vaush says, if we over support Ukraine they might push into Russia, but Ukraine isn't expansionist like that

[@TheArtimusMaximus]

Vausch's opinions must be paid for. He can't be that ridiculous.

[@sislater6334]

🎯

[@michaelgj23]

As much as I hate Vaush, I actually agree with him here. You might think I’m stupid, but I’m definitely not paid. Sometimes reasonable people can just disagree.

[@sislater6334]

@@michaelgj23 Why do you agree with him and with what specific aspects?

[@CritterCrew1]

Goddamn, I just witnessed a murder.

[@NA-sb7xz]

Yes vaush got clapped

[@matthewarnold4557]

Who said the US should leave NATO to secure a peace deal with Russia

[@boomboomskidskid]

​@@NA-sb7xzlike the applause for showing how shallow Dave's points are?

[@knightofcydonia1192]

@@NA-sb7xz Sweetheart, anyone who argues the exact opposite of reality (Dave here) isn't clapping anyone.

[@NA-sb7xz]

@@knightofcydonia1192 I wish I was this stupid... Life would be so much easier

[@Greenham6603]

It literally took over an hour for Dave Smith to simply give his feedback on what we should do today. When he did finally answer, he essentially said give all of the territory to Russia and leave NATO. 😂 This is the first time I’ve ever said this, and I hope it’s the last but Dave got dunked on.

[@atarkus8]

That's a lie. His solution was a ceasefire. Vaush just muddied the water by claiming ceasefires don't work.

[@thegalaxylab]

Russia will go the nuclear mat over Ukraine. you literally have no option but to negotiate a mutually agreeable security arrangement with Russia, which is exactly what Putin tried to do BEFORE the war. you are in the most compromising of situations, and RF now has the upper hand.

[@Stable_Genius]

​@@thegalaxylab no Russia will not go nuclear. Putin does what Xi tell him to do. But you're making excuses for a fascist like Dave is...a libertarian. 😂 😂

[@Stable_Genius]

​@@thegalaxylab no Russia will not go nuclear. Putin does what Xi tell him to do. But you're making excuses for a fascist like Dave is...a libertarian. 😂 😂

[@thegalaxylab]

@@Stable_Genius your understanding of the China/Russia partnership is incorrect. Nothing fascist about opposing NATO expansion. Liberalism itself is just a spectrum interval of fascism.

[@condelcos5734]

Who of the US was playing fuckery in the Ukraine before 2014?

[@glennarcher6]

The Nobel peace prize winner & LGBTQ hero Barrack Obama

[@kahlbutomacfarland]

Whose got some Tenet money?

[@something86783]

Vaush makes Kyle look cool

[@firefly9838]

I wouldn't go that far...

[@mercb3ast]

That's impossible. So long as Kyle insists on dyeing his hair platinum blonde to hide his greying, he will be the most uncool MFer ever. Oh, then there is the absurd "Maaaaaaaan and brooooooooooo" voice that he does, that is "im dying inside" levels of cringe. I'm embarrassed for him. I say that as someone who would rather punch Vaush in the face, than ever have to look at, or listen to that moron.

[@michaeltoma9329]

I mean, Kyle is way smarter than Dave and any conservative…

[@something86783]

@@michaeltoma9329 lol

[@JM-yz6zb]

​@@michaeltoma9329I'm sure he thinks he is.

[@BravoMx]

Giving Vaush any level of legitimacy looks so bad on your channel. Makes you guys look like you don't do any research.

[@zarbins]

My hope is that exposes his lack of substances to his hundreds of thousands of young fans. People like him, Destiny, and Hasan have huge platforms, are wealthy, and have inordinate amount of reach amongst young netizens. Platform them, expose them, and get some of the youth out of the twitch/reddit/tiktok bubble.

[@chaucerianfraud6767]

Dude looks awful next to a comedian.

[@DJEDzTV]

By inviting Ukraine to join NATO, Russia would lose its base in Sevastopol, Crimea and this was a conscious calculation of US foreign policy. All major invasions into Russia in the past marched through Ukrainian land, which is flat field type of terrain with no natural obstacles all the way to Moscow. Last time in 1941, when Germans rolled in, 27 million of Soviets had to die before they chased the Germans out and now you have another alliance, clearly hostile to Russia, creeping up to its border and trying to screw all the economic relations that Russia and EU countries have been enjoying, ignoring all concerns, red lines and eventually warnings. This is outrageous, its a direct provocation and NATO is not going to get away with this and most definitely achieve any of the goals it planned.

[@jonathongoodwin]

These debaters for debates sake - Vosh and Destiny - are so annoying. They can speak fast and sound coherent, yet they come off empty and contradictory - versus insightful and informed. But at least we get to hear some sanity from Dave Smith.

[@vladtaltos7068]

Yet you can't articulate a single criticism of what he said in this.

[@Shalleeb]

Dude talking like a great value Peter Zeihan 😂

[@streetsbehind247]

Peter Zeihan sucks too.

[@peterschwartz5789]

Zeihan is a spook

[@neopatriot7716]

Shoutout to all the Dave Smith simps in the comments! Tell me you don’t know how to develop a worldview of your own without telling me you don’t know how to develop a worldview of your own.

[@TypingChimp1]

I liked my own comment.

[@something86783]

I like your humility

[@uncleam1069]

Ain't no shame in your game.

[@John-gi6yh]

I’m surprised the title doesn’t say Dave Smith debates horse boy

[@thedirtydoom]

Only good comment you've put under this video. You know, what people don't understand is that Vaush wants to BE THE HORSE

[@ethanswizz6127]

Vaush looks like Flint Dibble 😂

[@danmoriarty6901]

Crossover lore

[@driakos]

Best comment. Flint Dibble who would study ancient centaur paintings.

[@godswatching2863]

Vaush seems To speak exactly the way I would, if I worked for the Government but Wanted to seem as a free thinker libertarian. Everything He said Pretty much pushes all of the state Department goals. Dave truly is a libertarian that wants human life and peace to be at the forefront. V has a vendetta

[@constitutionallyconscious165]

AKA project mocking bird plant

[@EyePodX]

And yourself and Dave speak as if you work for the Kremlin.

[@michaelgj23]

@@EyePodXI do not share Dave’s politics or his take on Ukraine, but he strikes me as sincere. He has made about as good a case for non-intervention as a person can make. I happen to disagree with him, but that’s no reason to think he’s a Russian plant. And even if he were a plant, he has made points worth addressing on their own regardless of his motives.

[@chrisconroy3430]

Vaush realllllly tries to purport himself as an intellectual

[@erikhartel456]

Vaush is a sophist.

[@michaelgnit8476]

What about American adventurism and regime change? If you want Russia to behave then why can't America or Israel? Or is this really about control of the world and all it's inhabitants?

[@DocC993]

point out this hypocrisy and it will just be called "whataboutism"

[@jsharp9735]

We just project what we do onto other countries.

[@michaelh878]

Yeah I think America needs to leave NATO then maybe it could have some legitimacy.

[@duncanmacleod6274]

First of all, this isn't regime change or "adventurism", it's conquest, just like it was in Crimea in 2014. Second, Vaush is a pretty strong critic of Israel. Third, Google "whataboutism", you're just trying to change the subject.

[@jsharp9735]

@@duncanmacleod6274 Yes it is, that is our template. We did it in Ukraine in 2014 installed our sock puppet leaders and want to do the same thing to Russia.

[@conormcnamara453]

I watched Dave Smith on the joe Rogan podcast. Dave said that the head of nato got a phone call from putin saying if Ukraine doesn't join nato we won't invade. Is this true and can anyone point me to the video as i can't see it anywhere?

[@miked7207]

New low. Vaush.

[@firefly9838]

How?

[@kingmadhatter45]

​@@firefly9838bad faith mid wit... Admitted horse pron fantasies... Suspect PDF ile that admittedly gets off on lolly

[@dte8329]

​@@firefly9838his opinion is based off of shit he pulled out of his ass. He has no idea what he's talking about. Completely contradictory.

[@nomnomyam9379]

if you hire a stalker to stalk a woman, and she punches the stalker for breathing down her neck, do we say "oh she initiated physical violence!! she started this!" ?? yea she will "hit" the stalker, but she did so to protect her boundary/buffer zone, and she would blame you for hiring the stalker. so it's same thing for this ukraine-russia situation: Every nation, esp super powers, have military buffer zones - don't be surprised that russia used military in retaliation of america pushing ukraine for a proxy war. it's same thing for china including taiwan within its buffer zone.

[@Albastern]

NATO does not exist to invade Russia. It is a defensive alliance. Putin has also stated in 2022 that he sees no threat from nato expansion. So why would Russia be so upset about its neighbors wanting to defend themselves? The reason is empire. They want their old empire back. If NATO had not accepted the former Warsaw pact states in Europe as members. Then Russia would be invading the baltic states, Moldova and Poland instead of just Ukraine. And lets remember that NATO expansion happened because the former Warsaw pact nations wanted to stay as former Warsaw pact nations. NATO did not invade them or force them to become members. They have a right to defend themselves even if they do belong to the "Russian buffer zone". Same is true for Taiwan.

[@qqueenbee111]

are you talking about the fact vaush was banned from destiny for stalking Poppy?

[@sislater6334]

🎯

[@Wuffskers]

did you know that countries are not random people on the street? Also yeah the innocent Ukrainians who have died and lost their homes because Russia decided to throw a tantrum are totally stalkers, sure. Very telling how you decided to cast the roles in your bullshit analogy. Also it really is very simple, even if Russia started positioning themselves in Mexico and even Canada, even if the entire fucking world was under Russian influence, America would still be in the wrong if they invade another country. There is no justification for an invasion. Ever. Period. It is a categorically evil act. There has never been a situation, there is not currently a situation, there will never be and there can never be a situation in which an invasion by anyone would be justified, ever, it is impossible.

[@justinmillette9110]

Your comparison is braindead. In reality, Ukraine is like a woman with a psycho ex-boyfriend (Russia) who can't handle the reality that she's moving on and trying to get together with a new guy (the EU). Instead of using a euphemism like "buffer zone", you should say the word that you really mean: "Lebensraum". You think that Russia and China deserve more Lebensraum, and you think that they're permitted to use force to get it.

[@RobertCannesRobert]

Dude with glasses is absolutly living in some different reality.

[@upstanding_citizen]

If you don't want to accept reality and believe Putin's talking points, then yes, it's a different reality for you

[@jamesray8670]

@@upstanding_citizen It's wild how you are still propagandized into believing Putin has that much power over Americans.

[@RobertCannesRobert]

@@upstanding_citizen what talking points exactly you mean? my guess is you are sort of a person who believes Biden has no dementia…

[@upstanding_citizen]

@@RobertCannesRobert Biden has dementia, Trump is a crook, we are screwed

[@josefaksoy42]

@@RobertCannesRobertwhat is that comparison? Saying that Putin lies is saying that the sky is blue, all politicians lie. And yes, Biden is senile

[@kencummings4393]

Vaush is young enough to volunteer for rh ukraine army, he should do that, he seems to brave with others lives, he should be willilin to lay it down rather than flap his chubby face

[@terryirvine2472]

Vaush, Really. Anyone with one name should not be taken seriously.

[@katsmaintanklive]

Lmfao ,not even 10 min in and Dave one tapped Vaush AND the host😂 The undefeated streak continues

[@LLachs283]

After 5minutes dave already made clear that he is just a scared little mommy boy and wants to stop helping because nukes😂

[@shafferfs]

Dave is a smart guy... For stupid people

[@jackpridemore5471]

@@shafferfswhat is vaush then…

[@OmegaAlphaDu]

​@@LLachs283I couldn't imagine being as stupid as you.

[@katsmaintanklive]

@@shafferfs Unless you're a horse Vaush isn't gonna let you smash dawg

[@richardhunter132]

"stop interrupting me, stop interrupting me.." then constantly interrupts Vaush

[@chriswalsh6893]

I love Dave Smith’s domestic policy and he’s not without valid points. Just his prescriptions seem idiotic like somehow he thinks Russia is going to be a good actor if we give them what they want obviously not paying attention to modern history or history in general. And all of his reasoning seems to be but America did something bad so we should let other bad people do bad things and we have no right to step in anywhere and do anything. I don’t know if he hasn’t thought about it enough but what does he think the world will be like with China or Russia or both as the hedge amount of power or God forbid China and Russia going at it to be the hegemonic power just seems like he has a very critical lack of foresight into the issue moving past the Cold War

[@chriswalsh6893]

I hate vosh btw

[@mikska]

Putin did ask Clinton if Russia could join NATO , he was turned down without a second thought. And the Russians are very suspicious of the Chinese, and Russians identify as European with western culture, if you’ve ever been there you would know what I’m talking about. The US has driven Russia into Chinas arms.

[@justinmadrid8712]

But you are missing his secondary point. By funding the war in Ukraine, you are killing thousands of people in vain, because Ukraine cannot win. So by “helping” Ukraine, you are causing thousands of people to die and you are simply prolonging the inevitable. It’s a lose lose scenario. And you are also making weapons manufacturers very rich.

[@AleksandrYgA]

Seems like you know the american version of history where everybody is a villain except for US and maybe some of european allies and all the shit US done to the world is just mistakes, accidents etc. The irony is that you don't even understand how nazi is your position. To still think that US can be judge on who's a bad and good actor is ridiculous. With today ratio of civillian to military deaths in Ukraine Russia can't kill the same amount of civillians even if Ukraine conscripts all men who can hold a gun and they all will be killed. 60 years of war, 10 millions soldiers killed - and still it would be less civillian casualties than US in Iraq. And that's only one US war. But you can keep calling dozens of invasions, overthrowing legitimate governments and murdering millions of people just "America did something bad"

[@jjrockjaw]

And now Russia and China are best friends. Great job NATO

[@RichestPoorRedneck]

I have a feeling that Vaush’s intelligence goes as far as his google search history.

[@joetrader1942]

He and Destiny just copy off each other’s Wikipedia notes.

[@ykcirnhoj2225]

@@joetrader1942 CNN Wikipedia

[@nikolay-e8l]

@@ykcirnhoj2225and destiny

[@MLCommy]

Vaush is not a leftist, more like a liberal.

[@Sidharthavicious]

He doesn't lean in a political direction so much as slither.

[@breakupgoogle]

neocon breadtuber

[@marcusappelberg369]

@@breakupgoogle He's a younger version of Christopher Hitchens, who infamously supported Bush's invasion of Iraq.

[@jerrynoc7128]

Dove and his simple answers for complex questions.

[@mphase7575]

Vaush is a chomo

[@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006]

I want to watch Dave trample this guy but I also can't stand to listen to Vosh for even 2 minutes

[@payton7920]

Vaush make me wanna un alive myself

[@christianarchambault6111]

😂😂😂

[@xplicitfishin]

Same but vaush instead of myself.

[@Blarg6306]

Yikes

[@6thmy]

Dave Smith and vsauce? What is this. Just awful.

[@kennethyakovac665]

First time I've seen this Vaush dude. He's basically a Destiny clone. Fast talker throwing out multiple talking points so that nobody has time to challenge his premises. Glad Smith called him out for it.

[@RilfDanielson]

Oh buddy, you should be happy you don't know who he is. He openly advocates for bestiality and [[reproduction]] with minors. You can look up the clips they are heavily documented. It amazes me he still gets spots on panels.

[@FightSportTalk]

He’s a clown. All he does is talk as much as possible and claim the moral high ground. He has the energy of a spoiled brat who’s never had to struggle in his life and is too dumb to notice it.

[@babadook22]

Destiny is far better and coherent than vaush. Vaush is a straight up poser that just regurgitates the exact same talking points he’s been told to believe. Destiny actually has the ability to think for himself and come up with his own unique takes ( albeit most are bad).

[@Vorse_Raider]

Smith's points are essentially that Russia can control what happens in Ukraine because the US is bad. It is quite honestly shocking anyone takes him seriously.

[@babadook22]

@@Vorse_Raider this is not at all what smith is saying but good try.

[@markharrison6498]

Vaush: “because we have fast jets the proximity of countries is of little strategic importance” I’m embarrassed that I used to enjoy listening to this dude

[@michaelh878]

He wasn't that bad years ago. Don't feel bad.

[@markharrison6498]

@@michaelh878 cheers Mike. Yeah, I don’t know if I was stupider then but i swear he used to actually read from to time and would present more coherent/sound arguments. He seems to think he can wing it now. Maybe it’s just that he’s always been lazy and wasn’t long out of uni back then?

[@atheistmecca971]

That’s not what he said. Are you 13? Nuclear missiles can travel across the world now in like 15 minutes. They don’t need to be placed on a border anymore.

[@koorohshahmoradi4882]

Didn't both wars with Iraq and war with Afghanistan show this, though? Keep in mind I'm not talking about occupation, just the invasion. America also has military bases around the world. The idea that war is much more global than even a hundred years ago is just correct, no ?

[@wurgel1]

I find his next "argument" much worse. How a violent coup my effectively a nazi-branch of the ukrainian military under CIA guidance, together with a tiny protest stirred up by millions spend in propaganda, is the will of the population, instead of their democratically elected government. By that logic, had there been a group of, say, KKK members participated at J6, armed and opened fire, then they would clearly represent the will of the people and would have the right to let the republicans "freely" change the constitution, remove and select new members of offices from president to judges, while the law abiding clansmen stand guard, fully armed of cause, around the buildings, denying entrace to the opposition.

[@Broockle]

Oh yeah we shouldn't provoke Russia cause they're such a reasonable, peaceful neighbor. Conservatives in the comments here would prbly also want to give Putin a their lunch money and throw in a foot massage.

[@ticker0157]

these comments are cooked

[@Mrz-bq2yb]

The only thing Vaush is an expert on is lolis and horses

[@PharaohsNews]

Vaush says a whole lot of nothing. Total sophistry.

[@DanielCastillo-qo9et]

Why does this guy look exactly like a vegan hipster that would be blindly pro-Ukraine

[@Mac_Mayne_ATL]

My man said Ukraine being under the russian sphere of influences is old hat.... bro they are next door neighbors...... smh

[@rogerdodger1790]

Yes bro you tell it my man bro bro bro cool bro

[@Vorse_Raider]

So the US can establish spheres of influence in Mexico? How about Haiti? Cuba? Central America? My man, you're defending imperialism.

[@oiboi95]

Vowsh