Surface Pro 8 vs $600 Slate

[@Dave2D]

At $600, this is an AWESOME value compared to the surface pro 8. and the new OLED panel is so good for watching videos.

[@sherlockmaverick]

Yes!

[@allanz977]

There's Lenovo Duet 5 as well with OLED panel. It's great to finally have some options for OLED tablet hybrid. I was thinking of getting Ipad Pro and these hybrid might just changed my mind.

[@kushaljain7568]

Dear Dave, I really admire your work and love your videos, one thing that I wanna want from you is that could you please attach your wallpapers used in your videos, I really love these kind of minimilistic wallpaper, you won't believe but I still use your oneplus 7 pro and google pixel 5 (turquoise colour) wallpaper in my android. So could you please attach a link in your description box of the wallpapers you use in thumbnail (laptop and mobile).

[@javezkeith2537]

💯

[@murarivyas5735]

How far can you push this tabtop

[@alwaysasn]

Asus seems to be going back to its 'roots' (meaning from 10-12 years ago) at being a fair priced/high-value beast manufacturer.

[@brianyau9812]

@Pink Panther The product is called Asus Vivobook, so Dave isn't wrong

[@me-me3126]

@Pink Panther Vivobook is a lineup of asus laptops...

[@rgb2296]

@Pink Panther lol what?

[@SeanRosairo]

@Pink Panther Asus Vivo is one of the lines for Asus, like their entry to midrange stuff

[@TotallyURGrandpa]

For real. With this, their Zenbooks, Vivobook Pros and the Zephyrus series it seems like ASUS is going all out.

[@virus2339]

The thing is, the Surface products are great. They look amazing, and their performance is also great. But at that price point, you can get a really good full-fledged Laptop. And if you're an illustrator, you can spend a little bit more on a new pen tab. A little inconvenient if you want to draw when you travel, but it saves you a lot of money.

[@BortaMaga]

I'm pretty sure thats the point of surface products. It's a niche product for people who need the most powerful tablet for productivity while having little or no compromise on portability for travel and stuff.

[@virus2339]

@@BortaMaga I understand that, but it's just way too over-priced. I feel like most of the people who need to do that already have an iPad or something, probably not the latest one, but sufficient enough.

[@TheRMSAndre1]

Its till worth it when you compare it to ipad pro with that stupid ipados.

[@virus2339]

@@TheRMSAndre1 That one I can agree with. Buying the latest iPad is never worth it. But 2 generations behind is still pretty fucking solid compared to others tho.

[@BortaMaga]

@@virus2339 that's the thing, iPad is not sufficient for optimal productivity for some people. Apple had the opportunity to have it run mac apps since they run on ARM now (both ipad pro and mac use the same chip), but Apple is Apple. I do agree it is overpriced for an average user, but its cheaper alternatives including the Surface Go lineup leave too much to be desired.

[@jonathantaylor2584]

I love the FankieonPC plug. It's great that he's back

[@erickauffmann_official]

Definitely would be a great option at 600$

[@frost8426]

Under 2 second you commented. Hats off sir.

[@erickauffmann_official]

@@frost8426 I got the notification quick lol

[@agps4418]

Nah.. its got no keyboard backlight.. everyone *will* type in the dark at some point

[@big_don_bepis]

Thank you for the very useful input, Eric!

[@Jimster481]

It doesn't really seem like a good option. It isn't very fast and oled isn't so practical for a working device. There is alot of competition especially with previous Gen products. Also Asus sells a laptop based on this screen for $200 (or less) more that has AMD.

[@commentarytalk1446]

Sign of the future: I absolutely LOVE the fact that we're seeing 2-in-1 devices come down to consumer prices away from expensive business/enterprise levels. Why? Because it's going to start putting pressure on the Tablet Market where people see good media experience on a device that also doubles up as an affordable and workable laptop and all in 1 device for half the price of both !! When this happens at high enough quality at these prices, iPadOS will become niche and Apple will be forced to reconsider 2-in-1 products of their own. That or by then ARM by NUVIA will power the next-gen 2-in-1 devices rivalling Apple-Silicon for Price:Performance and battery and on Windows-ARM all the while with improvements coming out: * Improved touch/stylus/GUI * Improved Cloud options * LTE 5G * Improved design details eg kickstand innovation, typepad improvements etc * Lighter and more portable * Screens are already looking much better.

[@vpsrikanth]

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[@vullord666]

What I'm really waiting for is a phone with the full windows experience. I feel like we're inching closer towards that and as someone who hates how locked down and simplistic they tend to me (albeit android is more open, but still limited), I'd love to have the freedom to do almost anything I could on a PC on my phone (without difficult workarounds) and vice versa (there are still a number of features limited to mobile phones). I also think it'd do a lot to shake up the market for phones. Add some more options and introduce a new mindset to buyers (like not needing a new model with minimal upgrades every year and expecting more from phone companies). With Microsoft introducing a way to bring android apps to windows and 2 in 1s being more affordable, having more options, and continuously getting lighter and smaller, I'm interested in the future of mobile devices as a whole.

[@hurmaes]

Agreed! I think especially now that more and more are considering going digital/online, portability, convenience, and power are all important for many professionals. As an artist myself, I'm choosing to wait a little bit more before I splurge on a new device--the iPadPro lineup is always good, but it's too limiting. The power it has is so wasted, and competition like the Samsung S tablets and SP have begun to threaten its throne. I'm so excited for the future!

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

@@hurmaes THANK YOU!! iPadOS itself is too limited which holds back any M1 chip or A series chip.

[@srthks]

Watching Arcane on an OLED panel must hit different honestly

[@TotallyURGrandpa]

From personal experience watching on a Tab S7+, it's fantastic.

[@futurvsionar6745]

LG C1 OLED owner here.... FANOMINAL!!!!!

[@thelonelyloner7]

I love these intros. How different shapes and stuff form the logo

[@vpsrikanth]

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[@Izvmii]

It's optimum pride

[@dougnulton]

Thanks for the vid Dave, this is very compelling as a media consumption device. I don’t love iPads for content consumption due to its aspect ratio. For this thing to throw in OLED and a $600 MSRP with a pen and keyboard included, it’s a great option for many people.

[@tomswan3401]

the problem with media consumption is that you cant separate it directly from other activities. me, im buying the devices for professional use (thinkpad, surface pro) and also use them for a couple of hours to watch a movies, some youtube videos etc. if im buying a dedicated consumption device i tend to buy a standard ipad or a tab s7 (10-11"). then once i have movies on them, because im also interested in chemistry, anatomy, genetics i put some courses on the consumption device. then suddenly the screen is too small to understand all those explanations (screen is ok for watching series like see etc but too small to follow a chemistry course with a lot of calculations and tables). then im back to my pro devices like thinkpad, surface pro i can use for watching series while i cook and also watch courses. besides doing programming on them.

[@suhas5214]

I always wanted to buy a proper laptop for my Dad, and have always been drawn towards the Surface line, but that price tag is a heartbreak. This Slate is actually pretty dang good for ₹44K [India direct convert] considering my dad does reading news, excel and taxes. I got recently recruited and will look forward to getting this for my Dad with my Salary. Thanks, Dave! Edit: I know this won't come to India at that price, might ask a relative to get it from the US, lol.

[@bubblegum7489]

Ipad lelo

[@KejriwalBhakt]

Just saw on flipkart, it is not present on Flipkart. DO let me know if it comes up. Wanna buy it for my Sis.

[@erwintan4746]

ur dad reads taxes?

[@suhas5214]

@@bubblegum7489 We already have an iPad 2018 model, but getting a wireless keyboard and mouse for it is pretty clunky. I would rather have the Magic keyboard but its not compatible with my model. Have no plans to get another iPad

[@suhas5214]

@@KejriwalBhakt prolly won't release in India, I will call up a relative in US to get it anyway.

[@chickenpie9698]

I must admit, the Asus is quite compelling. I've actively avoided these Windows tablet devices as all seem to be a poor value proposition for my use case. I may be swayed if these sort of devices start to see some real competition in terms of the value proposition. That said, I couldn't be happier with my XPS 2in1 - seems to strike the right balance for me as someone who makes use of the traditional laptop form factor and occasionally flips the screen to either tablet or tent mode. I know my device is at the upper end of the market here but I've seen quite good 2in1 options from Dell and and Lenovo that hit the value sweet spot in my opinion.

[@vpsrikanth]

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[@Sponsi_PL]

It's either a laptop or a tablet. 2in1 seems shitty.

[@chickenpie9698]

@@Sponsi_PL I agree in a sense but I use it as a laptop mostly but I do find the ability to fold the hinge a full 180° very useful at times if I will just be using the touch screen. Works for me as I don't have much use for a dedicated tablet.

[@motitire]

@@Sponsi_PLhilarious! I guess you'll also have a problem with a photocopier that scans documents and prints too.🙄😒

[@quekweikin]

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[@adamburkley9866]

I've had the ASUS Slate 13 for a few months now and really enjoy it. It is great on the go and works well for all basic tasks (Word/Excel/PPT) and media consumption. I also like the way it looks and feels. The soft case did come with mine in the box.

[@Natsukashii1111]

Thanks I kinda want to get one because I just need a cheap big screen tablet as I have a powerful desktop when I need power

[@memedumpster1402]

I always love watching your videos. They feel so polished and are relaxing and informative. Thanks for all you do!

[@YOTHISISYO]

informative ? Come on man , i dislike how dave does not mention the product name in the title or in the description. For this video he dropped it somewhere in the middle.

[@memedumpster1402]

@@YOTHISISYO Yeah, there is some room for improvement in that regard, I'll agree. That's an annoying thing to do and I wish he put it in the description, title, or somewhere early in the video.

[@rossallen738]

I got a Lenovo IdeaPad 5 in 2020 for $600. It has an AMD Ryzen 5 4500U processor with integrated graphics, 16 GB of RAM, and a PCIe 3.0 SSD. It is also a 2 in one. The keyboard does not detach but it has a nice touch screen and a good pen that comes with it and the screen folds all the way to the back for an easy to use, flat surface. Like I said, I've had it for over a year and I'm surprised Dave never did a review. Especially in this instance I wonder why. To me it has so much more value than that ASUS because it has better internal hardware. I can run all of my engineering software without it slowing down and can play some reasonably intensive games (not any of the top graphics games, but decently intensive). 16 GB of RAM and a good AMD processor/GPU.

[@yt_me]

Honestly, when I plan on buying something like this, then I am not interested in how the performance is now, but how it will be 3-5 years from now. That's harder to evaluate, but more important to me. I don't buy new tech products every year. So if the Surface lasts me double the time of the Asus, I can make a fair comparison. What is the expected lifecycle of these products?

[@sloppynyuszi]

That’s the problem with most reviewers. 90% of people don’t update every year. If you do buy new tech every year, lower end is fine, as most devices are released to work for at least one year. But flagship devices like this should work well for at least 3 years. Or more. In defence of the surface. I recently bought a second hand surface pro 2 for very cheap ($100). Just for curiosity. Still had the Wacom EMR stylus which is tech they update very rarely as it’s just that good. I was surprised how good it runs. I can still run clip studio ex and sketchbook pro and the battery on the go lasts an easy 3 hours. Which for a product that came out in 2012 is amazing. So I’m actually considering getting the new 8, as they have improved the pen now, as the replacement on the surface pro 3 was trash. And I’m pretty confident performance and design will be pretty stable for a few years.

[@willstach3804]

It’s a valid point to consider. I bought a Surface Pro 6 which has a better cpu than this Asus one. Normally it’s more than enough for me, but when I’m running a lesson on Zoom, recording the lesson on my computer, annotating large pdf documents, screen sharing that content, and keeping multiple Google docs/sheets tabs open while wirelessly Miracasting to my classroom TV… even the Pro 6 starts chugging at times. This Asus looks like it would have no hope of keeping up. And I originally never thought I would do something as demanding on my device as this when I originally bought it. Now I’m regretting not splurging for the i7 model with more RAM.

[@berengerchristy6256]

yeah, let me just see into the future so that I know exactly what to do before I do it

[@zee_rowe]

Mine died in a year, BSOD. Surface Pro 6

[@tomswan3401]

im still running surface pro (sp) 4 since 2017 and sp 6 since 2019. sp 6 is with i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. and i was using the devices to prepare myself on the way to office and back (while commuting). so i used those devices a lot outside and inside, as long as i have a roof over my head (only if its raining, roof yes but no lateral walls like in trainstations waiting on the platform for the train).

[@ever-changingbeing]

Dude, when I saw Pentium, I was like, “are those things still exists”? What a shame.

[@ohkay8939]

That Asus kickstand looks like it allows you to use it in vertical orientation as well as horizontal. That's quite cool. And that price is really, really good. Nice :)

[@JumpingWatermelons]

Yes, you can, although you can't really adjust the angle while vertical

[@rannxerox3970]

ASUS makes great products at good prices, got my daughter a $800 ROG gaming laptop that she loves. With that said, the Surface product is still going to look and feel far more premium much like a Mac does. Its the details and small things that add up to being worth the price.

[@DurrellLeGrairMusic]

Sir. That Optimus transforming into your logo. Yes.

[@Thehackerguy2000]

In my second year of college I was really considering a surface, then I saw the price. Entry level iPad plus whatever computer you have was a way better investment.

[@chltmdwp]

Depending on what you do

[@Thehackerguy2000]

@@chltmdwp of course, but I will say, surfaces are overpriced n not worth it.

[@PP-rl5sn]

Me too, been a surface pro customer for years. Not anymore, they are overpriced and not good value for money8th

[@chltmdwp]

@@Thehackerguy2000 extra money you’re paying for are R&D, 120hz display and new display size.

[@tuckercoffin2164]

I agree. Surfaces just get hot AF and note taking in one note is a disaster.

[@thinhlehong7052]

I would love to see a comparison between this and the tab s7+ OLED for media is amazing

[@druid84115]

I was excited about this up until the processor. I have 2013 MacBook pro that I'm looking at getting replaced, and if the processor was a little bit better I would definitely consider this.

[@LuLeBe]

Honestly 16:9 kills it for me after having used surface devices for the past 4 years. Even on the 15" book 2 I like the 3:2 screen and couldn't do without it.

[@mhammadalloush5104]

The screen resolution and aspect ratio tell you who this is targeted for: your average consumer who isn't doing much productive work and will complain about "muh black bars" when consuming content on this device. Also 1080p is still fine even in the age of 8k120

[@monterxz]

@@mhammadalloush5104 I can see separate pixels on a 12" 1080p laptop screen.

[@cameronbosch1213]

The problem is the 60 hz OLED; compared to a 120 hz IPS, you may not notice it at first, but once you go back to a 60 hz screen, you WILL notice it. Not to mention Dave goes back on his PWM experience in it (he literally said in 2019 that he didn't personally use OLED screens because he was sensitive to PWM, which is hypocritical for him to do this review because it introduces bias into the review). Honestly, I haven't been liking a lot of his recent reviews this year, but while he says the Pro 8 is more expensive, you got a poor product at the base price last year with the Pro 7, the Pro 8 has more storage and RAM for just $300 more than last years base price, which had an i3 with 128 GB storage (wasn't possible to upgrade it then) and 4 GB of RAM, which is awful nowadays and even back then. This review was another miss from him, but it was better than his recent Lenovo product reviews, which honestly were one of his worst reviews he's ever done.

[@LuLeBe]

@@cameronbosch1213 i don't have any 120hz screen and see no need to get one. Especially when you say that 60 looks bad in comparison afterwards. I'll just never use one then and be fine xD

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@LuLeBe For gaming laptops, you should get a high-refresh rate screen though, because it does make a difference in First-Person Shooters and even AAA games look better. Plus, 1440p screens look good with high-refresh rates. (Legion 5 Pro / Legion 7 and Asus ROG Strix Scar G15 have great screens and are great laptops for the money. Honestly, I think many premium laptops will now have 90hz or 120hz screens on their premium ultra portables after Apple did it on their MacBook Pros.)

[@deeplife9654]

I am using MS surface for last 4 years without any issues . So, I will go with double the price of surface rather than the price of laptop which quality will start declining and then will not last longer . Focus should be on total cost of ownership, not initial price that you pay

[@RosaParksShoe]

If it was $800-$900 starting, and all models came with a keyboard and pen I think it'd be a great value. The fact it doesn't come with the keyboard at and pen made me go away from the surface line

[@hadimoazen7884]

loved the WPM flex on 3:15

[@marquetantoine431]

The vivo book kickstand seems to also work in portrait mode, which can be a nice feature if you have a use for it

[@ferryseegers9246]

I see it as 2 very different markets: the Asus is more media consumption and the Surface focusses more on productivity. Asus = more for students and personal use (mobility and light work) Surface = more for professional use (mobility but more power and quality) A business (or business man) is not worried about paying between 1000 and 2000 dollars for a professional product As a professional user I'd certainly choose the Surface over the Asus

[@shre6619]

But then why a business person goes for 2in1, jack of all trades and master of none

[@HakaishinBlast]

@@shre6619 Well 2 in 1's are certainly better than laptops and computers for illustrations, unless you have a separate device specifically for it,

[@suntzu1409]

You are right

[@ferryseegers9246]

@@shre6619 I have the Surface Pro 7 and it's a delight to travel around with. I open it up and it has the power I need. the option to use it as a tablet, in my case 10% of the actual usage, is just a plus, an extra. However! Right now with the M1 PRO MAX (or whatever it's called) in the new Macs... I'm reconsidering strongly what my next machine will be

[@theinktician]

@@shre6619 as another business man, i don't see the use of a surface in my line of work. We'll be connecting it to a monitor in the office, and on the go we need a real keyboard. That's why lenovo's are still the business standard.

[@kunj5856]

Microsoft is really going crazy with its price tags here. In my opinion the prices are not that reasonable for what your getting. But great review Dave!

[@bryanmiller476]

The price is nuts, at that price you can get a much faster M1 MacBook Air and get the 512gb model

[@wishub]

@@bryanmiller476 it also comes with macos 🤢

[@RoHan-83]

@@wishub - it also comes with macOS! 👍🏼

[@MegaLasslo]

@@bryanmiller476 the macbook is not a 2-in-1 device. That comparison is dumb

[@bryanmiller476]

@@MegaLasslo being a 2 in 1 doesn’t magically make it worth 50% more money lol

[@fliptrickninja]

Been avoiding all Spider Man NWH trailers for months now and it had to be the one thing you show

[@tanaykapadia2301]

It would be amazing! I would love to pick one up if it was $600. Just wish apple would allow the new m1 ipads to run some sort of hybrid mac os. That would be the perfect 2 in 1.

[@Natsukashii1111]

That's the thing, they want you to buy both their MacBook m1 and their iPad m1

[@tanaykapadia2301]

@@Natsukashii1111 Yea its smart from a business perspective, but it fucking sucks

[@vullord666]

@@tanaykapadia2301 arguably its not. I have neither the time nor care to do the research or run the numbers (thus arguably) but they could potentially boost sales and improve their image by allowing the iPad lines to run macOS or a hybrid of iPadOS and MacOS or just straight up both and allow you to switch between them (I HATE apple and would dip over a thousand for that because that's my dream product (one that lets me seamlessly make the best of mobile and desktop devices)). They could also REALLY shake up the market by throwing such a product on the line. The problem with apple is that they're complacent (not nearly as much so as Microsoft in the past though) and fail to make the most of their properties or capitalize on their products. A lot of their decisions that seemingly benefit the business are most likely going to bite them in the long run or sacrifice potential growth (not switching to USB-C on their phones for example). Again, I haven't done the research or run the numbers, but I find it hard to believe devasting the market with that god tier product wouldn't be better for business (and because its apple, everyone would know about it instantly and flock to it way more than Microsoft and their surface line).

[@andyH_England]

@@vullord666 Apple has done their research and probably feel that getting macOS to work with touch would be as disastrous as when MS did it with W8. They understand that if they did it well it would still probably lead to compromises and issues so they are going the other route of getting the best tablet and best laptop. You can get a MB Air and iPad Air for a similar price to the base SP8 and having tried a SP6/7 and compared to having a MB Air/iPad Pro combo, I much prefer the latter. Even MS has thrown in the towel, by now running Android apps to fill the void of missing tablet apps. I am sure if MS could do it all over again, they would have bought Android when they had the chance and gone the Apple route with a dedicated mobileOS and make them work well together. If you think Apple would ever make the bad mistake MS made then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Apple got this right and history has stamped that as a massive win as Surface Pro sales fall and iPad revenue increased 68% last year!

[@Santa1936]

@@tanaykapadia2301 Is it? Because I would probably buy one if they did that, but instead I'm not buying the Ipad or the Mac

[@alanhobson9121]

I grabbed a top end surface pro 4 with KB and pen over a year ago on ebay, it only cost me about $300, and it works fine. I went to Asus's page about this Slate device and it was pretty light on information, especially the upgrade options, and it appears that it hasn't come out yet.

[@bl00dkillz]

Releases in December in video description

[@theinktician]

This years Surface is the only one thats been worth buying, since they finally fixed the pen. But the price is just ridiculous now

[@JohnnyZenith]

I want a Surface Laptop but the price is crazy.

[@RandomSmith]

Research that I have read recently suggests that keyboards setup with a negative rake (sloping down and away from you) so that your wrists and hands can be more inline than bent may have better benefits.

[@sloppynyuszi]

I used to be angry at Microsoft not including the keyboard, but I kinda get it now. The idea behind it is more about upgrading. The designs won’t change much, and the past model the accessory compatibility was quite good. So when you need to upgrade to a surface pro 9 or 12 later you can just buy the tablet and not have to worry about the keyboard and pen.

[@rpheuts]

But... the previous gen keyboards are not compatible Dave said. So, still e-waste.

[@ashtonlipscomb1295]

@@rpheuts that was for the pro x not the pro 7

[@sloppynyuszi]

@@rpheuts it had a good 6 year run though.

[@Funmap66]

Awesome comparison, just bought the Slate 13 for € 500 but in Europe it does not come with the stylus but keyboard and case.

[@mahoslash]

Well, for 2 in 1's I'm just going to go with the Surface Pro line. Sure, it's expensive as heck, but those who buys a Surface Pro aren't exactly those guys who are just looking for entertainment. As one owning a Surface Pro 7, I find it sturdy and reliable for work and it's a good backup device if my main conputer broke down due to it's old age. It's also surprisingly convenient to bring around due to it's small form factor, which it tends to be a lot smaller than most 13" devices. I don't like Microsoft but they sure make things that's great for those who needs a compact PC in a neat little package.

[@edyloi]

I dont like Microsoft as well but have to admit they did launch some great products and Surface Pro is one of them

[@PhatsoJuggalo806]

not to mentions theres a 16gb model unlike the Asus and the lower end asus is chrome os. I'll happily pay the extra for the surface

[@volkerw88]

I have a gaming laptop for daily use, and think about buying a Windows tablet for travelling. For that use case the Surface Pro‘s are too expensive in my opinion, although I love how they look. The Slate with its OLED screen is interessting, but I‘m not sure if the performance is sufficient, especially when planning to keep the device long term. A better processor would make the device more compelling imo. Apart from that its definitely a great device.

[@chanupajayasinghe]

That Optimus prime intro was sick !!

[@盾神京矢]

The Optimus Prime intro is wonderful. I think it is brand new, right? I haven’t seen that in previous videos.

[@chanupajayasinghe]

@@盾神京矢 Yeah I think he made it after his Optimus Prime Model unboxing video.

[@enkaperson]

Surface pro 8 is the dream device. Except for LTE that is limited to business user, I think it is perfect. With the thunderbolt, we can even attach an external GPU use it like a desktop computer. But damn, it's expensive. Hopefully there will be more manufacturers that follow surface.

[@Deadlines-X]

I didnt know the price was that high, thats actually insanity whose buying this thing for that much smh.

[@Tactical1944]

Frankie is back baby!!!! I was tripped out seeing him on the screen in your video lol nice little showcase!

[@hackepetra8502]

First of all I love Asus' new OLED commitment it's the absolute right thing to do. But. I think you could also have compared it with the Surface Go (m3/i3). The features, price and performance are much more similar. What you would gain would be the bigger OLED panel.. and that's sadly it. What you would loose is Windows Hello support, a backlit keyboard and a build-in kickstand. Those daily life things. That makes it a harder comparison in my mind. The OLED panel is the big deal here but you get a "bad" computer with it. :/ I will still consider it when it gets availible in my region. And I hope they make a higher-end version that you can really compare with the Surface Pro in the future. Cuz damn I love OLED :(

[@belzebub16]

That's exactly what I thought, the Surface pendant would be the Go and not the Pro - performance wise. The screen is great, but for me the performance is just too low.

[@andyH_England]

The Surface Go is only 10.5 inches and clearly too small for many workflows or usage. They are def not the same and this was the right comparison. For many users with a workload not needing the power, the ASUS is a much better choice and hopefully will save many people wasted money upgrading to the SP8, which is overpriced and extremely poor value. This is the first of many much cheaper "slate" devices coming due to cheap OLED displays now being widely available so it will make the Surface Pro struggle to sell in the consumer and education market as we see much better value alternatives.

[@hackepetra8502]

@@andyH_England Yeah. I said the Go is smaller and the Slate is bigger in my third sentence. I have a Go and I have it plugged up with a projector and a mouse and keyboard writing this comment. I can tell you, the struggles lie within the performance and not the size of the device. I think the SP8 is priced about 200$ too high. It's the same price as the big iPad Pro and that is what MS is seeing as the main competitor for the SP8. So I get where they are coming from with the price. I wouldn't say it's "extremly poor" value (that would be the Surface Lapotop Studio) as it still is a great device but it surely is not "good" value atm. But they'll get cheaper as they always do. And for the size differences to the Go... I made the calculations because I was curious (3:2 vs. 16:9). You'll loose 1,6cm or 0.7 inches in display size height. And a lot more in width. That is no world changing difference. Especially for office work and browsing. But if you mostly want to consume media there is no choice here. Asus Slate it is. Although one could still argue about how much a windows tablet is good for consuming media. I really hope you are right with 'many much cheaper slate devices with oled coming' because I'd love to replace my Go with an OLED device THAT IS MORE POWERFULL. :P

[@pierreniau5947]

Samsung Tab Pro S had an OLED panel also. I still have one and it's still awesome. Battery can last up to 10h when reading only.

[@Slada1]

It's really good, but no option to install Linux on that. It's android only :(

[@MmntechCa]

The 16:9 display is a deal breaker for me. It's good for videos and gaming, but not much else. 16:10 is better for tablets. And it's only 1080p. Which I guess is fine for a $600 tablet. But you're looking at 165ppi versus the base iPad's 264ppi. Spec wise it's the same as my Surface Pro 5 with the i5-7300U. The N6000 isn't going to win any races, but it's perfectly serviceable. But I'd really splurge on upgrading the RAM to 8GB. You can still get away with 4GB on Windows, but it's not ideal in 2021.

[@Sithbadger]

This actually reminds me quite a bit of the Dell Latitude 7275 2n1 tablet, which you can still pick up in the $400-500 range if you shop around. I keep one lying around as a backup that I snagged a couple years back with the keyboard and pen (now sadly lost). It has an older core m5 cpu and the intel HD 620 Graphics iirc. This makes it phenomenal for most of the basic stuff and you can push it a bit, but it doesn't have fan cooling, so you do have to keep temperatures in mind. That all said it really is quite a capable little setup that will also give you a decent "Surface experience" if you are on a budget.

[@Sithbadger]

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[@AkiTachiaki]

I can convince myself to pay more for 120hz display, but not for a windows tablet that does not even have the keyboard cover

[@EdwinPohan]

Definitely a compelling device for those looking for a Surface Pro. Great of you to mention that they are functionally similar (in terms of what tasks can be done right for both products) and thus makes the Asus Vivobook Slate even more attractive. I might actually “upgrade” to this from my Surface Pro 3 lol.

[@frost8426]

Then Steve Jobs will come to life, hold a event and make it 2600.

[@derektoronto1]

The Toronto airport uses the surface tablet for its DIY baggage drop off. Consider it takes the constant poke and jab from 4am to 11pm, 365 days. I think the Surface line is very durable!

[@kelsthevibe]

Definably would have been a great option at $600

[@m_sh_oh]

Thank you for introducing Vivobook Slate! I like it! I wonder if I can sometimes use it as a wacom-like screen tablet mouse.

[@bluupbrr286]

The title is going to hit Microsoft right in the feels.

[@samcurmudgeon]

A lot of this "Microsoft Surface premium cost" comes from Microsoft being kind of a "boutique" hardware manufacturer. They don't have the pull with parts suppliers that larger-volume computer companies like Dell or Lenovo have. So yes, just about everything in the Microsoft Surface lineup, form the Go to the Laptop Go to the Surface Pro, Studio, etc. is, initially, about 30% overpriced and different tiers of devices in Microsoft's lineup are just priced too close to higher tiers -- example: the Surface Laptop Go i3 model isn't all that much less expensive than the base model Surface Pro 7. Also, I ran into that flat keyboard issue with the Lenovo Duet. Simple solution was buying small rubber feet to apply to the corners nearest the side of the keyboard that attached to the device - viola, just enough of an angle to make typing a bit better.

[@Ash_1277]

Hey dave can you do a video on top gaming laptops or just good laptops of 2021 ? Pls 🥺

[@jovaughnbennett6349]

Check jarrod's tech, he did a tier list for around 32 laptops

[@jovaughnbennett6349]

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[@Ash_1277]

@@jovaughnbennett6349 I trust DAVE MOSTLY

[@jovaughnbennett6349]

@@Ash_1277 yeah I know just sent you this since you would be for a long while until he posts his take for 2021

[@AaAa-le5ji]

It'll drop to 1,000 for everything in a few months. They always do.

[@efish206]

Really appreciate the comparison. Still rocking a Pro 5 (2017) w/ core i5. Still decent, but battery is on the fade.

[@remusionutotelita1559]

Sorry, but this is sponsored by Asus. And is very disappointing to see how easy Dave skipped over the horrible performance issues that the Vivobook has due to that horrible processor.

[@anon404]

For anyone else looking for more details: I believe this is the ASUS Vivobook 13 Slate OLED, model number T3300. The product's press release page says, "During 2022, Vivobook 13 Slate OLED will be available ..." so it's looking like a next-year release.

[@deepblue007]

Asus has always been amazing in delivering quality products at affordable prices

[@esochibuike8477]

5:38 I love the new infographics layout and style ❤️🎉💞 Dave you're so good at design and presentation.

[@johnmckay1961]

The Surface is a lovely device, but at this price point, the elephant in the room is always going to be the base Macbook Air. It's just an incredible computer. Unless you really need Windows, the Macbook Air is always going to be the better choice!

[@georgenassr6133]

Great video Dave as always ❤️ But now I can't decide if I should get this one or the realme one that you talked about in another video, they're both great devices and are in the same price point.

[@psychoisme4579]

Yo

[@kelsthevibe]

Would have been nice if the Optimus prime was at the outro, perfect opportunity to say "ROLL OUT"

[@probablyaman]

The “good” thing about surface is that even though their price tags are really high, they go on sale frequently and often at 20-30% discount. And their resale value is also not that great, so the secondhand market might be a good place for people who really want a surface but don’t want to pay high price for them. I had a surface pro 4 back in college and it was a great portable machine. I used it a for illustrations, animation and even 3D stuff. (I pushed it a bit too much) The ability to use all windows software instead of just apps was great. I sold it eventually and got myself a laptop with discrete graphic cards, but I did enjoy my surface a lot!

[@casey.rob.]

The resale value isn't great because the hardware and software lack longevity.

[@lordbigsmoke1340]

The transformation in the intro is so damn smooth

[@LinkingYellow]

On my surface pro 2, I had an issue where my surface pen kept popping off the side and never being seen again, especially when using it in commutes to school or lending the hardware to careless family. I've been waiting for a tablet with a better pen docking solution that still uses x86 architecture for the processor. It's a shame the screen isn't OLED, but the surface pro 8 is what I've been waiting for for many years. I am using it for game development too, so the extra processing power is pretty useful.

[@MrHonor2]

LOVED that optimus prime intro!! 😩😮‍💨

[@amirbahrun3098]

you just can't miss Dave2D videos man..

[@dongiovani25]

When is this coming out? I can't find it for sale anywhere? Most articles mention it would be available this month.

[@ManDavid12]

Just watched you with Lew and now watching you here! Great review 👏👏👏

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Good to see Asus coming back to the segment they invented with the Transformer Book 10 years ago.

[@H_B_R]

if you want it firmly attached to the slate tablet, you can double tape it instead of relying on the magnetic strength

[@efficaciousuave]

The Surface Pro Line of devices were never about affordability. They always were, and still mostly are, the "guiding lights" for other windows OEMs. They can make the products cheaper, but then that would not go down well with the OEM partners. It's also better this way for the consumers.

[@matu1181]

I loved seeing that Frankie intro there, didn't expect it 😀

[@drewpatterson8009]

HOLY shit a Frankie On PC Shoutout?! The king REALLY is back!

[@raghavbhutani5016]

you have to make a wardrobe video. your clothes are literally so cool!

[@joeclark7160]

i love d2d vids man! His videos are just super relaxing and informative.

[@autosaver]

I bought the surface laptop go for $350 as a price mistake. Amazing purchase and love the device but simply feel the full retail price is silly.

[@JohnnyZenith]

How do people get this lucky? Wish I could be.

[@Wampiro12]

For black Friday, there was an option from Costco that included keyboard and pen with i5 256gb, 8gb ram at $1200

[@bradavon]

The Surface Pros are the only ones with a kickstand that's part of the device. Also a massive negative having to attach it, adds a tonne of weight.

[@WhyAreWe_Here]

Last year i wanted a tablet but also like to have a keyboard etc. I bought the surface pro 4 refurbished for £200 came with keyboard and stylus. Now i know its super old but i just got it to watch youtube and anime or take notes when studying. I honestly cant believe how good it is, it does everything i want and even some games like enter the gungeon and slay the spire etc. It even runs photoshop and similar apps. For such an old machine its amazing. I would probably pay the money for the newest one seeing how long they last and the convenience the surface pro includes

[@codyhader3295]

128GB on ANY modern computer, let alone an $1100 device, is absolutely criminal.

[@josedaviddelevante9211]

Definitely considering the Asus Slate as an alternative to the Samsung Tab S7 for my tablet needs.

[@mikewhite955]

What a lot people don't see is that this products are absolutely awesome for school. I use my SP7 with OneNote and a Docking Station and if you wanna work smoothly you have to get 16GB RAM, a well processor and a good battery life. Cause you don't want stutter scrolling or your pen doesn't work like you expect it. At home it should work with a second or maybe a third monitor that you can watch the videocall of your teacher, see the tasks in front of you and use your tablet to just write. They are absolutely awesome and I think just an iPad or the better surfaces can manage this well without getting headache. :D If you use it in School it needs good battery life and should switch fast between your pdf's and your written stuff. :)

[@iniagung4665]

for that price tag, I am looking for more than just decent performance

[@FelixDoWizardry]

"Now I know some people some people like `the flat`, I don't `the flat` as much" - Dave2D, 2021

[@Asifur_Rahman]

You are awesome and gentle type person. Respect you brother...

[@mahfah7911]

Big big fan of surface series. Was ahead of it’s time. Thanks Dave for showing love. Absolutely Like 👍🏼

[@UsmanX]

This is the first black friday since the Surface Pro 6 that the latest Surface Pro with i5 256GB with Type cover wasn't priced at £700 for black friday sales.

[@joalblo9581]

For the sake of comparison, the same can be said of the ipad pro 12.9 model... $1099 for the base model, the pencil another $130 and magic keyboard another $350. All in $1,579 plus tax. But ultimately people do think it's worth the price for the iPad pro and for the same reasons other people will think the surface pro is also worth it. It's not about what works but often times it's about what the product says about you and your choices. Brand recognition matters so much more than it probably should. And those premium brands with those premium builds come at a premium prices.

[@UnlimitedUtopia]

everyone's forgetting in terms of spec sheet its only a Surface go . in that Pentium category .

[@komiik]

The best intro variant

[@sigma_z]

RESOLUTION!!! Not even comparable products. Weaker processor, weaker design, weaker pen. Dropped the ball on this one Dave 😭

[@lozyl956]

Ok now THAT is a clean intro

[@cliffgeo]

Even as a MB Pro user I was like dammnn Microsoft's been really bold with the pricing on this one

[@DustinGorman]

Can you please do a SP8 w/ GPU and screen vs external display video with a mid tier or upper mid tier GPU in a case? I know there are vids like this out there already but I've been watching your videos for a long time and I really think that your content is very premium and accurate. I am not a fan of the competitor in this video. I really like the Surface ecosystem of accessories and the whole Surface Connect options. Also, I am extremely biased in favor of the MS keyboards. I cannot stand cheap keyboards and feel like MS keyboards are exceptional, at least for my taste.

[@Antoto96]

The battery life is issue is an intel driver. If you manually update your intel drivers it allows for adaptive refresh rate for the new surface products which fixes the poor battery issues from 120hz setting.

[@andyH_England]

This should be through the update process as many users are reluctant to update from a third party business, especially in Enterprise or business. Until it has been made available in the update process this remains an issue with the SP8.

[@Antoto96]

@@andyH_England Yep, I don't know why it's taking forever for it to roll out via microsoft windows update because this feature is a BIG DEAL for the surface devices. In my opinion it should have shipped with the device.

[@fabi6237]

Literally the first word of EVERY Dave2D video recently: "alright" or "okay" lmao