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[@DaveinPortugal]

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[@afaria6173]

I'm a dual citizen Portugal and USA. I've been living in the USA for a lot of years 40+ and will be returning to live in Portugal full time in about a year. I suspect many of these Americans returning have underestimated how difficult it is to live in another country as an immigrant. Being an ex-pat is basically experiencing life as a rich immigrant. But it is still an immigrant experience. Portugal is not going to adapt to you if there is any adapting to do it will be totally for you to do. Don't expect to be babied and catered to in English. Adapting starts with learning the Portuguese language. After all, in the USA the expectation is that immigrants learn English. It is no different in Portugal.

[@chuck6646]

True true, but the big difference between USA and Portugal is the size. Traveling from California to New York requires the knowledge of one language. Moving from state to state, you are able to experience vast differences in geography and climate. Going the same distance from portugal to Latvia requires learning about eight different languages to get along within those countries. This idea of "learn our language" is great if your country is huge and you don't like to travel around. Still, it's ridiculous to impose learning of Spanish, French, German, Italian etc onto anyone who wants to stay in those countries for a while. One's head would explode from all the dual lingo courses. 😂

[@afaria6173]

@@chuck6646 If their intention is to only live in Portugal 3-6 months, they should learn some basic vocabulary and phrases. A little effort goes a long way. Some of the immigrants are also not making an effort. While walking through some of the more touristic part of Lisbon a couple of months ago we noticed that some of the waiters at restaurants did not speak Portuguese they attended customers in English. When I informed them, I speak Portuguese they retorted sorry I don't speak Portuguese. I asked one how long he has been living in Portugal he responded 3 years. I did not eat at that restaurant.

[@lost_porkchop]

​@@afaria6173I've heard of stories like this. It's so weird and aside from the differences I've seen, makes the country seem like something completely different from my childhood.

[@lost_porkchop]

​​@@chuck6646if you're traveling through Europe, you should at least show interest in the countries by learning a few words in each language.

[@afaria6173]

@@lost_porkchop part of the difference you feel is that the Portuguese culture in Portugal has changed and if you interact with one of the diaspora Portuguese communities you will also notice that they have also changed. They aren't becoming more similar but more dissimilar. I'm going to guess you are from Canada based on your username. I am currently living in California.

[@teddydavis2339]

Dave, you are 100 % right. I was surprised when, a popular KZbinr who lives in Portugal said she doesn't want to become fluent in Portuguese. I believe that most Americans want Portugal to work for them, but they don't want to put in the effort to learn the Portuguese culture. I personally think that's disrespectful.

[@verderandy9161]

Agreed.

[@shannonbeltrami1487]

Hubby and I are considering moving to Portugal. If we decide yes the first thing we will do is purchase Babbel and get busy! I no longer care for our current American culture in place so I plan on embracing Portugeese culture completely. You are correct about the disrespect aspect......but hey, that is the American way?

[@user-wz9vc6nu3e]

@@shannonbeltrami1487 I like the way you think Shannon, but please note that Babbel does NOT include European Portuguese.... Use it if you like but you may not get as much value from it if fitting in in Portugal is of value to you. Brazillian Portuguese (think Babble) is NOT the same as European Portuguese. Dave In Portugal has a recommendation for learning the language, or you can search "learn european portuguese" and see plenty of great opportunities to learn the language as spoken in Portugal.

[@SYigit]

@@shannonbeltrami1487I am now learning european portuguese and babbel do not have that option in it, actually most of the language learning programs or apps do not have it. LingQ has both european and brazilian portuguese option, you can start with its simple short stories, later import any content into it and read, listen, repeat after etc... I think it is the best language app combined with a few grammar books.

[@santostv.]

They want our cheap prices while earning their usd salaries from the USA

[@wallywal6139]

One more person from the US here. I’m in Portugal now opening up our house for spring. Have our visa appointments in a few months and will arrive permanently in December. Portugal will work for you but you have to work for Portugal too. It’s a process that takes patience and flexibility but the life here is worth every little inconvenience. You live and you adjust. Cheers!

[@shannonbeltrami1487]

I agree completely. I plan on moving and I know the process will be painstaking but I feel it will be well worth.

[@rj_veg1480]

Honestly trying to be purely inquisitive and in no way disrespectful, but is 48% tax reasonable - to anyone? IMHO It’s almost like the MP’s de-incentivize any high earners whatsoever. Am I out of the ball park on this?…

[@wallywal6139]

@@rj_veg1480 Helllo. I would suggest consulting with tax professionals in both countries. Portugal has a tax treaty with the US so you aren’t double taxed plus they have tax deductions and exemptions as well. It certainly isn’t as cut and dried as it was with the NHR but not the complete disaster that many on KZbin portray it to be just to get views. You do tax planning in Portugal just as you would in the US. Best of luck with your journey and perhaps it will work for you.

[@martacancela7681]

@@rj_veg1480 To be taxed with 48% you do earn A LOT. Believe me, 48% of A LOT still leaves you with... A LOT. (By the way, check taxes in Scandinavia, and you will see even higher taxes.)

[@paulocorreia7942]

North Americans went to Portugal for a slower pace of life and then gets mad that people take it slow, go figure!

[@DaveinPortugal]

😂

[@santostv.]

London is better for them 😂

[@miguelwtup]

12:46 Bird called "Andorinha" drinking water from the swimming pool. That's portugal nature for you.

[@thefreerocketman5777]

Dave, how does it feel to be Portugal's favorite American?

[@Iontknowboi]

Best american i know for suuuure

[@DaveinPortugal]

Just trying to get that Pepe status

[@conniebaptista-reaume6349]

Hey Dave. My husband and I have really enjoyed watching your videos. I was born in Portugal and moved to Canada when I was 6. My husband is Canadian. We are going for a 14 day visit to Portugal June 30. I haven't been to Portugal in 36 years. 😢 I'm sure Portugal looks very, very different from when I last seen it. In saying this, we've been educating ourselves a lot with KZbin videos, which is how we came across your videos. We are very excited about our trip. Starting with 8 days in Porto, followed by 6 days in Lisbon. Hope to run into you. 😊 Keep putting out those great videos. God bless

[@CarlosAlberto-ii1li]

It's when l moved there.

[@lost_porkchop]

Last year I visited for the first time in eighteen years and it was completely different! So much changed in the last few decades. The only thing still familiar is that you can still find authentic Portuguese people.... just not everywhere

[@santostv.]

We have a true European capital now😂 Good luck hope you like it.

[@paul_domici]

Can't wait to go visit Portugal this year!!!

[@SerenaLaws-Kilt-This]

Nailed it! 👍🏾 I am going on my third year living in Porto and I wish I moved here sooner. I cannot imagine living anywhere else after this. Btw, I am a tribal member of the Yakama Nation, one of the largest Sovereign tribes in the Washington State. If you look at the location on a map, it looks identical to the Porto, accept our river, the Columbia River, divides Washington and Oregon. That makes Porto feel like home. The climate is the same and the personalities of the indigenous people are the same. Everyone I meet is surprised I don’t speak Portuguese or that my English is unique, because they think I am Portuguese. Even a close friend said I look like the very old indigenous people of Portugal and he is a Portuguese anthropologist. The people here help me all the time, which is almost a handicap now because I want to speak more Portuguese, but because of my Native Reservation slang and accent, they just want to hear me speak English. Lol

[@mokeyandabandit]

Just finalizing my second citizenship to Portugal. I will retain my citizenship here in the USA. I would appreciate your videos, David.

[@chris_schenkel]

The portuguese people certainly hope so.

[@user-pf7qg5rr3w]

Truly one of the best videos in your series. Thank you for this!

[@DaveinPortugal]

Thank you for watching 🙏🏻

[@simplylive2466]

I have been here 4 years, and I have found that MANY people from countries like USA, UK, Canada, North EU have returned to their origin countries, but even more, trying different countries, especially in the past year. Usually after being here 12-36months. There are pros and cons with Portugal, the same as everywhere.. but I think that it was "sold" by social media/YT influencers, and even the locals, as being something it is not and it takes a year or so for reality to set in. Many are not willing to talk online about the negatives they have found, because they get attacked so viciously by other commenters, so they skim them or miss them altogether. So people just don't have a realistic idea before they come. And how you are treated, and your experiences, as a tourist for a month or so, is VERY different to living here.

[@DJ-6972]

I agree. I’ve been here almost three years and I renounced my U.S. citizenship, so no going back there for me. It’s a mixed bag and it’s definitely not for everyone. If they start taxing crypto heavily, I’m moving on. Definitely getting my citizenship to keep options open. Lots to love here though. My biggest disappointment is the horrendous residential architecture and real estate prices Sure, you can buy something cheap in the country but most expats aren’t looking for that kind of extreme experience. Cascais-Lisbon corridor is just sooooo expensive. Appreciate the work you put in Dave.

[@santostv.]

Now imagine with a lower purchasing power than “expats” we need 16 years of yearly salaries to buy one 😂 You guys overpaid for everything this is the result.

[@santostv.]

Now imagine with a lower purchasing power than “expats” we need 16 years of yearly salaries to buy one 😂 You guys overpaid for everything this is the result.

[@l.l.o.9450]

​@DJ-6972 ! QUESTION: You must not be a born American but rather a Naturalized citizen. Because If you renounce your US citizenship, and you havent received your Portuguese citizenship/ passport, then what passport do you have? It's my understanding that you don't renounce your citizenship without being granted citizenship elsewhere as not to being a man(woman,) without a country.

[@DJ-6972]

@@l.l.o.9450 Any American can have more than one passport/citizenship. Yes, you need to have a second citizenship and passport before you renounce (you are not allowed to be nationless) but you don't need to be a naturalized citizen to accomplish this. An American can start the process of gaining another citizenship through any number of methods. I will be adding a Portuguese citizenship to my portfolio of passports to give me greater flexibility to live anywhere in the EU without a Visa. I renounced to remove the burden of the IRS and any threat of regulatory oversight I might disagree with. The U.S. is only one of two countries worldwide that taxes its citizens regardless of whether they live in the country or not. Very unfair.

[@Alfablue227]

Yes Dave, cars are very expensive here, especially automatic ones😮 however, the used car market is relatively cheap, and rarely do you get served a "lemon" unless stated in the add. Gas/fuel is expensive, but distances are small, plus, there is a good transportation system in cities. If you need to fix your car, and are lucky enough to get a good mechanic, (it is tough getting one almost anywhere) it is so much cheaper than in the USA. It all evens out. The thing to remember is, Portugal is not a US/GB (or any other country's) puppet state. We do things our way, so expats need to keep that in mind. They need to learn Portuguese, they need to ask questions and find out reasons why. I started to when I moved to Portugal six years ago. It is now much easier for me to understand and accept why some screaming "ridiculously" things here are done the way they are. Still, regardless of reasons why, some stuff here is (still) ridiculous or hard to accept,😅 but as an expat, we also have a responsability towards getting involved, making a change, so we can make our society better. Rather than complain or leave, stay and get involved...be part of the changes needed in order to make Portugal an even better county...but NOT like your own home country! Dave, thanks for pointing out the good and bad, your open yet honest ❤ towards Portugal. This country has a lot of potential, and we sooo appreciate and ❤Americans like you who make a difference and get involved.

[@DaveinPortugal]

Thank you for your comment and helpful insight. Comments like these are what keep me going 🙏🏻 feliz dia da liberdade 🥀

[@Alfablue227]

@@DaveinPortugal Obrigada Dave para ti também...because freedom needs to be universal!

[@annawerder4677]

Thank you for this one

[@DaveinPortugal]

Thank you! 🙏🏻

[@reboundpt4987]

Nice video again dave! Where abouts in portugal you live? Im currently staying in peniche!

[@carlosbarbosa410]

Well Said. Thanks for your Video and great explanation. Portugal is very popular and is a gem that has now been found throughtout the world. I hope Portugal keeps improving with the new governing party and keeps it's charm.

[@icmwfsk]

Respect for staying in that cold pool for that long! :)

[@DaveinPortugal]

🥶

[@ybenjira]

Title: "The world is ending TODAY!" Content: "The world may end today or any other day in the next 5 trillion years." PS: "I wonder why people are panicking? Oh, it might have something to do with my misleading titles". That said, I get why you do it, and the info is always useful, so thank you 🙃

[@Diogohenriquescaralho]

How is the title misleading? He literally spells it out. Is it click bait-y yes. But misleading…. No

[@mukkins555]

Dave- you said the residency permit Titulo de Residencia was extended? How long please? NOTHING on the website about this. You are correct -no listing on SIGA section IRN Registro for it and I was told that means no appointments

[@dramirez1154]

We have private insurance, as there can be long waits in the public system. We feel fortunate to be here, and don’t want to use the overburdened public system unless necessary. There is a shortage of doctors, and there are Portuguese citizens who don’t have a primary doctor due to the shortage.

[@martacancela7681]

Unfortunately, there is no shortage of doctors. They just don't want to work "anywhere", they don't want to work inland, in the most deserted areas, older people... Nowadays they are poorly paid, too.

[@DamionLouisInPortugal]

Great video

[@SDOV8]

Thanks Dave, I visited Portugal a few years back and fell in love with the culture, people, and food. Still studying the move but would like to know more about the taxes. WOuld you post the link, please?

[@rj_veg1480]

Taxes for over €40k-ish is pretty extreme. Latest results available on Google. And when I say “pretty extreme”, I mean out-of-this-world compared to US at that income. Even if the same US taxpayer paid for top-tier private health coverage. OUCH 100%.

[@georgem5360]

Nobody on NHR still valid will leave! Some might not come because of the up to 48% tax but like you said if you live less then 180 days all good, the only thing is then no path for citizenship besides the golden visa

[@Iontknowboi]

Amazing video but pls visit Ponte de Lima (the oldest village in Portugal) btw I live there so if we meet it would be great and I feel like we could have a very interesting and productive conversation… dam this was a long comment..

[@Iontknowboi]

PETITION FOR DAVE TO VISIT PONTE DE LIMA (pls help)

[@CFC_44]

No offence but the yanks leaving will stabilise the housing market. The average price in my town Lagos has shot up, they have priced even the EU buyers out.

[@franciscod.s7799]

I just started watching the NBA playoffs and I'd like to say how frustrating, or at least a bit irritating the amount of publicity during game stops, speacily for someone that is used to watch 45 minutes straight then a pause for 15 and then another 45 straight of football :D

[@Luanavit22]

You’re adorable, Dave. Thank you for the fun videos. ❤

[@DaveinPortugal]

Thank you for watching 🙏🏻

[@freeriderhappy]

Good summary of pros and cons.

[@DaveG-rs3xp]

great video Dave! "failing to integrate" kinda nails it.

[@PedroPinto6667]

Gosto dos seus vídeos , já assisti alguns, assisti alguns abocado sobre a língua portuguesa, com uma professora a explicar, eu sei falar português sou nativo (Portugal), mas gosto de ver e aprecio o conteúdo, nunca desistas , continua, força , xau. Abraço ,admiro-te muito por aprenderes português (qualquer língua nova não é fácil de aprender) . Fica com Deus .

[@Iontknowboi]

De certeza q es português bro..? N parece mt.. (dsclp se fores msm😭)

[@vervideosgiros1156]

​​@@PedroPinto6667Eu também pensei que não fosse português porque disse "qualquer língua nova não é fácil", quando o correto seria dizer "nenhuma língua é fácil de aprender" ou"todas"/”algumas línguas são difíceis de aprender"/”nem todas as línguas são fáceis de aprender" (seriam hipóteses de resposta, dependendo da sua opinião sobre a dificuldade de aprender línguas). A expressão "fica com Deus" não é muito típica em Portugal; quem eu ouço dizer isso são os brasileiros.

[@vervideosgiros1156]

@@PedroPinto6667 Eu não disse que você não era português: a maneira como escreveu parece uma tradução do Inglês, porque a estrutura da sua frase não é correta em Português de Portugal. Eu não o quero ensinar... e você, pelos vistos, não quer aprender... Aposto que não vai ligar ao que eu escrevi e, da próxima vez, vai escrever incorretamente... outra vez!

[@vervideosgiros1156]

@@PedroPinto6667 Eu não disse que você não era português: como escreveu de forma incorreta em Português de Portugal (duvido, sequer, que em Português do Brasil essa estrutura seja correta...), é perfeitamente legítimo que pensássemos que você não era português. Eu não o quero ensinar... e você, provavelmente, também não quer aprender... Aposto que, para a próxima, em vez de escrever corretamente, vai escrever como escreveu! Sabe a diferença entre quem quer aprender e quem não quer? Quem gosta de aprender aproveita todas as oportunidades para se enriquecer; quem não godta, arma-se em pintas e "manda vir!"

[@vervideosgiros1156]

@@PedroPinto6667 Começa-se uma frase com letra maiúscula, não existe a letra "k" em Português (com a exceção da utilização em palavras estrangeiras), faltam vírgulas e ponto final. Essa frase chunga já está mais que batida... além de que eu não preciso de falar quando escrevo! Um pouco de imaginação não lhe fazia mal! Para sua comodidade e minha, fiquemos por aqui! 😊

[@PauloOliveira-dt9fp]

Yes yes yes

[@chadb7694]

What would you recommend for someone who isn't super wealthy but who has financial means to pay bills, etc and not work? Can one get a visa this way?

[@camillanel-dona9297]

Thanks so much for your content, Dave! I'm wondering what the job opportunities are like in Portugal for English speakers? I've heard there are a lot of English/American companies based in Portugal but I also heard that salaries are pretty low. Any details you could offer would be amazing! Thanks for sharing, it's so helpful for someone thinking about moving there.

[@quifix1]

There's everything, from online to in-person work, minimum wage to top salary... research and find out. But here in Europe, laws protect employees, mandatory contracts and they are not fired because the boss woke up in a bad mood.

[@DaveinPortugal]

Thank you for watching 🙏🏻

[@NayFunPUMA]

Answer

[@akustik_prog1601]

Not just Americans. As an Italian just retired I was planning to go to live with my wife in Portugal after a first trip. We like Portugal a lot but given that we already live in a sunny country with nice weather, 5.000 km of swimmable warmth sea, great food and beautiful historical cities all over, the reason we picked Portugal was -everything being equal - the NHR 10 years residency tax program. Saving in my case about 28% on my gross pension was too tempting. However, given the cancellation of such tax incentive and that Portugual progressive marginal tax rate is even higher than Italian we changed plans. We will make a long vacation for sure in the future though.

[@RazudMezeghis]

Howdy Dave Are you going to do a video about our historic day, the 25 of April, the carnation revolution? I noticed some photos about the military parade in Lisbon on you're instagram. Also Portugal is more about Francesinha lol.

[@DaveinPortugal]

I sure am

[@RazudMezeghis]

@@DaveinPortugal Looking forward for it, as allways with you're videos ^_^

[@speakeuropeanportuguese]

To coin an old phrase: You can't run away from yourself.

[@TheSimArchitect]

It's unfair Americans can move here to retire but we can't move there. No reciprocity. 😢

[@mathebatech]

Hello form Viana do Castelo!

[@DaveinPortugal]

Hello up there!

[@pedrosilvasouto7320]

Hello Dave, you should try one day play a future videogame named "Portugal: Rise of the Ornurenses" that will launch on Steam and it will be made on Unreal Engine 5 in a few years This game is a sci fi game set in Portugal where a young man named Sérgio created several robots in shape of mythical creatures for an exposition at the Web Summit... in this game players can play as one of this robotic mythical creatures like Griffins, Chimeras, Werewolves, Gargoyles and many others and complete quests across places like Sintra... I should not give too much spoilers but this game in the future will have expansions and players will be able to explore the full Portugal from north to south and even some alien planets as well in this new "pagan and robotic Portugal"

[@PedroPinto6667]

wow, asério? esse jogo seria top , dessa eu não estava á espera , isso é muito fixe .

[@DaveinPortugal]

Sounds awesome

[@AshleyOliviaDaCosta]

Is that a plastic straw in your drink?😂 that’s been the hardest part we import them from the US.😂 The epitome of first world problems. Never thought I’d see my kid try to open a Capri Sun with a paper straw.😂

[@lolitabonita08]

can u make a video explanaing in detail what is the process of bringing a dog (s) from Usa to portugal...besides the microchip, vaccines and bill of health. Seems that is more to the whole process and i can not find people who is willing to share that information here in UTube...I am preparing myself to move but i need to know how to ship the dogs, cages or carriers, is there any airline that is exclusive to do all this, etc. I hope you can help...thanks

[@edbarnard7157]

We brought our standard poodle in the largest crate we could purchase. We flew TAP direct Toronto to Lisbon. My wife arranged all of the paperwork, vaccines etc. and our local Vet microchipped him. When we arrived at Lisbon airport he saw the Vet at the airport ( conveniently located. ). The process took about a half hour and we were free to go. He travelled very well and came bouncing out of the crate when we arrived. I should also note that he was 12 years old at the time and travelled very well. We booked his flight with TAP about a month ahead of time and the process was very smooth.

[@ajdrums8075]

I'm Australian, my family and I moved to Bodrum Turkiye which was beautiful af, warm water, still bays and great service, then went to Algarve which was a huge mistake (freezing cold water year round, windy, run down and terrible Robusta coffee) after 6 months of disliking Portugal we moved to Chania Crete which we really like as it's what we were hoping Portugal would be. I still think Bodrum is my favourite though by a small amount.

[@pedromarques3870]

It's a mistake many anglo people do: thinking Portugal is like other Mediterranean countries. We are a mix, but not fully Med. In some things (for exemple, climate wise) we are much more Atlantic, like France or Ireland.

[@ajdrums8075]

@paulocorreia7942 I didn't think Portugal was Mediterranean but certainly fell for the post card perception of Portugal weather. Regarding coffee in Australia we have an enormous Italian immigrant population from many decades ago and many now consider Australian coffee culture the most refined in the world. Portimao for example is not touristy and what is typical is average buondi coffee made from Baristas with little to no training. Actually the best coffee is to be found is in Tourist areas with heavy Australian visitors rates like Lagos where you can find exceptional coffee at Black and White cafe and Coffee and Waves cafe. Fabrica in Cascais was very good too but you really have to seek quality coffee and Baristas out in Portugal 🇵🇹 Great Red wine though

[@ajdrums8075]

@paulocorreia7942 BTW it's Turkiye not Turkey, what is unsafe about Turkiye compared to say UK or France for example? WAY less crime overall. Tourists rarely travel near the Syrian border

[@pauvermelho]

Italian coffe isn't better than Portuguese coffe, I never heard any Portuguese that traveled to Italy saying that Italians just bragg about their food. And by the way baristas???? The coffe comes out of a machine It's already done, there is not much a waiter can do unless you start mixing stuff with coffe

[@ajdrums8075]

@pauvermelho Australians are more focused on the specialty coffee culture, focusing on sourcing fresh coffee beans, roasting properly, and brewing the best coffee beans. They also explore different types of coffee beans like single-origin beans and coffee blends, roasts, and different temperatures. Yes we have surpassed the Italian's too

[@peterk5981]

All true about positive features of Portugal but AIMA service are pain in the neck (and not only) - I heard that many potential residents get discouraged and look for other countries because currently it is impossible to get through bureaucracy, to get an appointment, to validate the status for yourself and for your family. Family Reunification for EU citizens is considered by Portuguese immigration as a low priority so it is almost impossible to legalize the stay of your spouse who is not EU citizen.

[@oeiras99]

Dealing with the Portuguese bureaucracy, I am reminded of the old joke: guy goes to the airport, states his destination, and the clerk says, Sorry Sir, but you can't get there from here. But it's no joke when it's a drivers license or residence certificate.

[@quifix1]

I renewed my driving license online and it was quick, when you follow the rules. For foreigners it may take longer

[@satanishangover]

An "exceptional health care system" depends very much where you live. Some areas (even well populated) have a rather horrendous health system with months and months just to get a doctor assigned, while other areas have excellent health care. In any case, you shouldn't generalize with something like that, or try to create a unicorn world that it's not. While overall Portugal is nice, it has many flaws.

[@michaeldacosta7504]

Yea, I laughed when he said that. I was in Portugal visiting family recently. Whenever the news was on TV, there was always a report on the shortage of doctors in the country; 17+ hour waiting periods to be seen by a doctor, which in some cases resulted in the death of elderly patients

[@Pauln71]

If Healthcare is a concern what cities would you suggest that I look at?

[@mykldean]

Whatever Dave said and if you are going to flip houses restore a couple busted up ones and let poor people live in them if you do please.

[@cristinaguine5235]

Because it has become too expensive, has rotten health care and educational systems, crazy bureaucracy and the weather is not so good during winter. Also poor quality housing construction.

[@Pauln71]

Is the private Healthcare bad??

[@rberg3231]

Saying that Portugal is the California of Europe is NOT paying Portugal a compliment...Have you been to Kali lately?

[@sergiodeponte8341]

I have been stuck in USA for 8 years now waiting for my Permanent Residency bien approved. This is ridiculous. This is worse than the bureaucracy Americans claims from Portugal. I am going back to Portugal. This is too tiring now

[@Alejandrocasabranca]

Portugal nossa província rebelde 🇧🇷

[@FlanPoirot]

kkkk nada a ver

[@brochacho6355]

What’s up Dave. Plans to move to PT pushed back to 2026. It may take that long to get my citizenship through marriage anyway. Was wondering what you would do in the US to stream Portuguese tv so our family can learn the language better in the meantime. Would love my son to watch cartoons and I’d like the news. Any detailed suggestions?

[@tiagopacifico9230]

im not sure about most channels, but the mainstream news can be watched for free live on their website, try “sic”, “tvi” and “rtp”

[@brochacho6355]

Figured it out! Bought that NORD VPN. Set up account and got RTP & SPT TV. Setup apps on Apple TV and in business. 👍🏽😎🇵🇹

[@SB-gy2vx]

@@brochacho6355 damn man that's a painfull way to learn Portuguese, our TV sucks xD

[@quifix1]

There are many courses here on YT, but most of them in Brazilian Portuguese. It has to be said that this accent is easier to learn, but then you will have some difficulty here :)

[@maryr7593]

Be careful, I have heard that many of the cartoons in Portugal are imported from Brazil. This means the language accent and lots of vocabulary is different than European Portuguese. Those who learned Brazilian Portuguese (as a second language) before going to Portugal found it difficult to understand the European version and while the Portuguese can most likely understand native Brazilian Portuguese (due to the imported tv programs), they have a general dislike of hearing the language spoken there. (Also while the Portuguese are used to foreigner accents with their European Portuguese...they may not be as familiar with foreigner accents speaking Brazilian Portuguese.) Unfortunately the Portuguese (in general) discriminate against the Brazilians living in PT....or I have it described this way by some Brazilians.

[@DM-mq6hx]

The factors you mentioned are incorrect buddy

[@Diogohenriquescaralho]

So where’s your better list?

[@rj_veg1480]

Thanks for mentioning the tax rates in PT. I’ve never in my life considered that government can take essentially half of your money “just because”. This is a huge negative for me, and is a major consideration in not moving there. I guess I’m stuck in an American mindset wanting the best of both worlds. The perfect place doesn’t exist, unless you compromise… Although on the other hand, if one is interested in living in Portugal, one must adapt and integrate themselves into the culture, and therefore mindset. I'll keep at my research!

[@Solrac-Siul]

the rates are not that different from what other countries with socialized health and education system have. Portugal is apparently number 7 in europe in regards tax rates essentially tied with sweden, so there are 6 other countries with higher, like belgium , denmark, france, austria and i think spain.

[@afaria6173]

There are three different tax rate brackets in Portugal. Mainland Portugal and the autonomous regions. If you are a married couple you divide the rate by 2.

[@michaeldacosta7504]

“Portugal has an excellent healthcare system” 😂😂😂 That’s quite an imagination you got there, Dave

[@Pauln71]

In your opinion what is Healthcare like in Portugal

[@mdm40mdm]

Dave, My military pension and VA disability pension are not tax free. Will I have to pay taxes on them if I move to Portugal?

[@mikeabbott8521]

@mdm40mdm I can't answer your question specifically, and I'm sure Dave can't either, but I do know that under the PT/US tax treaty, pensions derived from US Government service, including state govt pensions, are not taxable in PT. You should consult a reputable tax adviser in PT, and probably get second opinions, to clarify your tax situation before you commit to moving. PT will tax you on your worldwide income including US social security and private pensions. You have to declare all your income, so while you won't pay taxes on the public pension, the amount must be declared and this will push you into a higher tax bracket. Whatever you pay in legitimate income taxes in PT are deductible from your US Federal taxes, but you won't' get a refund if your PT taxes are more than your US obligation - which is likely. When it comes to taxes in PT, the watchword is research, research, research, and when you think you have all the answers, do more research and get advice from a PT tax expert. By the way, the France/US tax treaty excludes Social Security benefits, pensions, 401K and Roth distributions from taxes in France. Just sayin...

[@miked2075]

I think a lot of young Americans, particularly college educated ones are sold an idea that Europe is Utopia. They have a star-eyed view of EU countries. A lot of them leave when they learn that when vacation ends, and life begins, even European countries have problems

[@NayFunPUMA]

Weren't they both Portugal and Spain is controlled by Lao country?

[@prettycool4775]

I personally know 2 families who are going back to the US 2024. ((

[@Gotamaluko]

Cars are really expensive comparing to the rest of the Europe, plus the low revenue. Still, i see an enormous amount of luxury cars in Portugal. How come?

[@quifix1]

Because like everywhere there are people who have money and want to invest in expensive cars, we don't all have a minimum wage...

[@santostv.]

Because you aren’t “desenrascado” aka your are a business owner so you put the car as a company car result cheaper car😂 Also still ~ 40% of the population has an ok or good salary.

[@Diogohenriquescaralho]

Because all the tugas with Mercedes live with their mom

[@jadedjhypsi]

I had an appointment for my residency way back in 2020 that got canceled cuz of Covid.... and been waiting ever since... finally got it last month after we hired a lawyer to help get us through. The SEF had no care to help us at all, I am thinking it was because we are not Rich Americans waiting to sink our money into their country....

[@santostv.]

You think you are special 😂

[@jadedjhypsi]

@@santostv. how would that be special treatment? lol

[@santostv.]

@@jadedjhypsi i was joking because of your last sentence , you said you think it is because you aren’t rich but in reality that’s the way it is ,especially right now with the transition, there’s ways to get ahead by been really wealthy (I mean i can bribe a top type a guy) , or have a inside men that can give you a “cunha”. Good luck, if you have a usa salary or usa pension you will have no problems.

[@jadedjhypsi]

@@santostv. thanks, I had forgotten about that second part I said... lol I am working on trying to get a job now, but the idea of getting paid so little is not putting much of a spring in my step =( Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head with the bribing a guy statement. I learned that too late, already here now. Still would choose here to how the US is right now anyways. Have a GREAT WEEKEND

[@santostv.]

@@jadedjhypsi With our salaries you aren’t going to have a very good life only if you have a college degree with a good demand even then it’s hard to find well paid jobs, also big cities are expensive nowadays for our salaries, if you have a buffer of money will help. Minimum wage is 820€ , medium wage is 1440€, ~60% of the population earns 1000€ or less.

[@pedropereira2211]

If you complain about bureaucracy then try living in Germany!

[@santostv.]

Even Portugueses living in Germany say it worse than us😂

[@NextStopThailand]

Im getting the hell out of this sinking ship as soon as possible. Im from a third world country in Africa and we had a better quality of life and standard of living. Fleeing now to the East to get out of this mouldy mess!

[@Pauln71]

Portugal has been that bad for you folks? Have you experienced racism there?

[@NextStopThailand]

@@Pauln71 yes that would be a hallmark of my families experience.💔

[@sportinguista09]

Where’s the link to the tax experts ?????

[@DaveinPortugal]

In the description!

[@sportinguista09]

Thank you sir

[@thomasmwangi8136]

I've watched a lot of your Portugal content but they're starting to repeat, same content just a little different twist, it feels like, imo. My guess? you're making what the algo says is popular but for subscribers, it's repetitive/not unique enough to add value... as a sub.

[@DaveinPortugal]

You can only please some of the people, some of the time.

[@CarlosFerreira-fb3tr]

I glad for that. Let them go their "europe" meaning italy, france, uk and spain, and stay there.

[@VictorPinhoUSA]

Born in the USA to Portuguese parents and now have my dual citizenship through repatriation. Fully fluent in Portuguese language, history, culture. Planning for a move from NorCal to Portugal in the coming year. Even with all these "advantages," it's still not going to be easy for me to achieve happiness without putting in work, expense and sacrifice. If you all you saw in a move to Portugal were the financial benefits and the proforma, than maybe Portugal wasn't the right place for you to begin with.

[@santostv.]

Espero que te adaptes, a mentalidade americana é diferente da nossa.

[@AG-zh7zl]

Ele ainda não entende que seu hardware pode ser portugues, mas todo seu software é gringo. Um gringo atrapalhado no corpo de um Tuga.

[@VictorPinhoUSA]

O software não é gringo. Também não sou bruto. Tenho formação em língua e história Portuguesa e volto a Portugal todos os anos. A minha família está toda cá. Toca a andar….

[@santostv.]

@@AG-zh7zl Depende de como foi educado, se os valores portugueses foram lhe passado ele será considerado português, entanto ninguém considera a nelly furtado portuguesa apesar de ter os dois pais açoreanos, shawn mendes a mesma coisa ect. Ser Português é mais do que o que diz no bi, por isso considerámo-nos pessoas como o pépe português e outros que não nasceram cá.

[@antonio.mineiro]

02:08 ahahahahahahahahahah

[@carinesomers6529]

Move Americans I am tired of wanting you to get rich YESTERDAY. We just want to enjoy live, be content with what we need, don't have the desire to be on a Miami yacht today and tired of your stressed out energy

[@alanmartins6349]

I agree with cars, what is Portugal thinking? They don't want people to drive?

[@DaveinPortugal]

They want you to walk off all of the pastéis de nata

[@telgrupos6143]

@@DaveinPortugal More like all that Bacalhau you ate in that one night 😂😂

[@mathebatech]

Go to Brazil and you're gonna se what really means buying an EXPENSIVE CAR!

[@quifix1]

It is an important source of taxes for the state. There are fewer taxes for now on electric cars. This government has lowered IRS taxes a little, I don't know if this applies to emigrants... but if it uses our tax system it will also be affected, only those with higher incomes will be left with 48%

[@mikeabbott8521]

PT Citizen: Mr. Politician, we Portuguese are among the lowest-paid in Europe and our income tax brackets are among the highest and yet we pay so much more than other EU citizens for automobiles. Why is this? Is it just a way to get us to pay more in taxes via a back-door levy on cars? Mr. Politician: Harumph, well, uh, I'm glad you asked me that, Mr. Citizen! You can rest assured that your government has your best interest at heart, and we will not rest until the full might of the hyper-efficient Portuguese bureaucracy is trained with laser-like focus on this problem....but wait! Look over there! A foreigner is getting a tax break!

[@gl2023_]

Portugal is done! 💩