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[@Witsit]

I hit a vape, then intentionally exhale it out away from the camera before cutting the camera back on. I mean this seems pretty obvious by just watching it.. So, like I have said the entire time: I objectively did not hit a vape, walk over to the camera, and then fake my breath. How absurd would that be? 😆 I hit a vape while the camera was off, fully exhaled it out away from the camera, and then cut the camera back on. Pretty simple.

[@Muritaipet]

First, well done for going. I'm curious about flat earth beliefs, but just one question at this stage. The way the FE community turned on you is quite savage. Did you expect it would happen, before you went?

[@Witsit]

I expected some people to claim it was fake if we saw it, but not nearly the reaction that has happened no.

[@VishnuIncarnation]

@@Muritaipetyes we don’t like deceivers he’s had 2 weeks to confess he was vaping and denied it and even swore on the Bible that he didn’t, but here we have clear footage of his vape breath.

[@VishnuIncarnation]

@ probably should of been a shady little cIown from the beginning then should you? Not only you but your whole team, you got jerian the famous Netflix shill, that freemason pastor who thinks lying and deception is ok, you got one eye mckeegan up here.. and McLoon the transexual Mason, it’s unending haha Imagine needing to send a bunch of KZbin clowns to Antarctica to “prove” a 24hr sun when scientists have been there for decades. the only people you’re fooling are the gullible, you should be ashamed of yourself

[@Muritaipet]

@@Witsit Don't answer my next question if you feel it would put you in a difficult position. But why do you think people have responded as they did?

[@CYBERBOIUK]

Videographer of a decade here: Fog, smoke, breathe, any liquid or solid suspended in air should always be filmed in the shade of a subject, with the effect only being present when the particles are back lit (or close enough). When filming for TV/motorsport we've ALWAYS made sure the vehicle is backlit for dramatic shots of the exhaust etc. Because the light being directly on the fog from the same side as the camera makes it almost impossible to see. This is not a conspiracy, just really effin basic lighting.

[@jonemeigh5588]

@@CYBERBOIUK I took advantage of this same effect when I posted three videos of myself recently on a cold, dry day where I live and my breath was barely making a cloud. I posted three quick videos...the only time my breath was even remotely visible on video was when the Sun was behind me. I suppose I was using a green screen because who knows what nefarious elites are hiding about where I live from all the people...😎

[@juzoli]

But it is also perfectly okay to not have visible breath at all, die to the dryness of air. Double fail from flerfers.

[@deanl5832]

utter bullshit, liar

[@fepatton]

How many conspiracies are fueled by fundamental misunderstandings of basic photography? Thinking also of the “But there aren’t any stars in the moon landing photos!” 🙄

[@GayDadPhD]

Fun fact: in the video for Fancy, Reba McEntire was asked to put ice in her mouth to hide the visible breaths on the cold set. She didn't, and you can see the breath in profile shots. They were worried the cold would give away they weren't filming in southern Louisiana.

[@87mrkemo]

Ex flat earther here after TFE. Just want to say thank you for being a respectable guy. You don’t come out with fists swinging in all of this, and I appreciate that.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Dave really is the best of the FE analyzers. He just lays out facts and reason in a really approachable way.

[@bubbawatson1852]

@@87mrkemo x ball earther here, I admit I was foolish with all the lies. And gaslighters like this group.

[@L30B055]

Tfe didn't prove the shape of the earth lol. Easily swayed 😂

[@eilabaca]

​@@bubbawatson1852 nah. If thats so, you were an ignorant normal person before and that made you gullible enough to become an ignorant FEr. The only difference is that now you think you are special.

[@korosensei4384]

​@@bubbawatson1852Why are you here ?? Maybe a part of you is curious about this and you dont want to completely reject the obvious ?

[@Kal_el80]

Former flat earther here and the final experiment ended my flat earth journey I was always told 24hr sun is impossible on FE and the final experiment showed me 24hr sun so I concluded the earth being flat is impossible . Thank you to everyone involved in the FE .

[@captainlengthwidth6692]

Welcome back!

[@Orville69420]

welcome back to rational thinking kalel, Don't go down the rabbit hole that deep again, it's hard to get yourself out I mean for christ sakes all the flerfs have turned on witsit and the other guy now just for saying they were wrong.

[@miraqen7801]

@@Orville69420 grifters being grifters. how curious!

[@2pacisAkiltheMC]

1) The Final "Experiment" wasn't an experiment 2) They didn't show a 24 hour sun in Antarctica or even a full 24 hour video to this date, they showed YET ANOTHER timelapse video they claimed to be a 24 hour recording of the sun......no court would accept that as valid evidence without the original.

[@_truth_seeker_777]

That's all it took, an Amazon 3,000 Nvidia GPU Cluster and Unreal Engine 5.5? Easily deceived we are!

[@NxDoyle]

Within all this post-TFE flerf mess, it's easy to lose sight of just how awe-inspiring your trip was. What an utterly beautiful, majestic place!

[@ozemale6t928]

One of the few, mostly, unpolluted places on Earth.

[@MrOttopants]

It's incredible that you have to explain such simple ideas to human beings who appear to be fully grown adults.

[@horisview]

Most of them are only online roleplaying out of boredom.

[@LSA30]

Being alive for an extended period of time ≠ growing up

[@maxine_q]

@@horisview It may have started out of boredom. Now they're in it for the grift.

[@steveadams2677]

The key word here is 'appear'!

[@horisview]

@ yes that’s the case for the bigger channel runners.. i meant the trolls who follow and pretend to believe them.

[@jaketzi8816]

Greetings from "Finland". Acting as a finn is a well paid job here in "Finland".

[@matthewnardin7304]

😮 I knew it! It's just like Idaho!!

[@Mozart4000]

I should come over from Germany. I'm a well trained actor. 😂

[@DaveMcKeegan]

NASA thanks you for your service

[@aveekbh]

@@Mozart4000 Now don't say you live in Bielefeld! 😛

[@rooty]

You forgot to put the trademark symbol on Finland™! Are you trying to get sued by the freemasons!?

[@jpablo68]

This "vapegate" thing is comedy gold

[@NASAShill-rg9dz]

Don't fporget Shadowgate, Footprintgate, Mountaingate, and Drone/Greenscreengate

[@woolysamoan]

@@NASAShill-rg9dz Lol You forgot Ovalgate aka Pancakegate aka SquishedSungate.

[@charox-rfp]

@@NASAShill-rg9dz you forgot 360LEDstageGate

[@Mr_Rouge]

Shall we now call him Vapesit Griftsit? 🤔

[@bigfatbruce]

@@NASAShill-rg9dz And Snowgate, where Witsit walked away to get some snow. The flerf copium is hilarious 😂

[@leothenomad5675]

Every time Dave moves his hand the dog is like "what are you doing?" and grabs his arm. 😀

[@cambridgemart2075]

We have a Samoyed that is equally demanding.

[@DemmyDemon]

A lot of people watch these videos for Dave. I watch them for Rusty, and then whatever Dave says is nice, too.

[@Erkle64]

Clearly that means the dog is fake.

[@tommeakin1732]

The dog is the unspoken reason for us all being here

[@lordtelion]

Anyone with a spaniel knows that lap-time means the hands are for jowl resting only.

[@jonatanmonsalve11]

For me, the 360-degree CGI studio theory is the funniest of all. Like, not only would the studio have to be _at least_ half the size of the continent itself, but also somehow no one on the plane noticed it entering a gigantic closed-off studio building when they were landing in Antarctica XD

[@balanceseeker]

To be fair, I think the conspiracy theory for that would entail that everyone who went is a shill who kept their mouth shut. The better counter is to point at the shadows on the ground and ask how a bunch of LED screens lighting things up on all sides create directional shadows.

[@ignaciomoreno9655]

I think that the studio where they recorded the Truman's show is free now.

[@Dosino_]

The entire earth is just a giant studio on top of the true flat earth, obviously

[@mikefochtman7164]

I'm sure Dave could debunk that much like the moon landing ones. The consistancy of the lighting suggests either many lights or a very bright light at a very far distance. Multiple lights can be ruled out because that would have created multiple shadows. The 'very bright light at a very far distance' wins. That is, the sun over 93 million miles away.

[@markboz3366]

You can give them a mountain of evidence and they'll find a silly way to dismiss it. Ask them for evidence and they'll show you an out of focus photo of an oil rig.

[@BobbyT64]

Witsit having to defend himself against FE conspiracists is very poetic.

[@derekthedullard]

You reap what you sow ennit. I've got absolutely no sympathy for him.

[@alvin2021]

Getting what he's been dishing out for years😂

[@Shilly-Mcshillface]

Check out what him, jerran and lizbeth are now saying about will and TFE on kingdom in context channel interview yesterday......lost all respect for any of these three stooges now.

[@flowingafterglow629]

Then again, it's very telling. No wonder Witset thinks everything from NASA is stage and faked, it's what he does, and therefore he assumes everyone else does it, too. All these flerfers who think NASA is lying etc are just telling on themselves.

[@shanephillips8735]

​@Shilly-Mcshillface what is best time to watch from on that video? I don't want watch 2 hrs 40 mins of nonsense

[@ryherm]

Nice try Dave, but all you presented here was facts and logic. How is that supposed to convince any flat earther?

[@ChocoLater1]

This is a comedy channel 😂

[@MTODbasics]

And I'm laughing now. Thank you kindly :D

[@silentdrew7636]

This might be the first time I've seen someone unironically use the phrase "Facts and logic" to refer to something that's actually true.

[@TomCee53]

True dat.

[@gregedmand9939]

Facts and logic didn't suck a Flerf into the cult. Facts and logic won't spit them out.

[@strangevision99]

During the trip, I caught a few minutes of a Jerren stream and his chat happened to bring this up. He said it was due to low humidity, but then somebody in the shade shouted that he could see it over there. He went over and both could see their breath there. They didn't know why, but at least they didn't say it was some fakery. I realised it must be because of the light and didn't think anyone would have much trouble figuring it out, much less make it into a conspiracy.

[@PatricRogers]

Antarctica, the largest desert on Earth.

[@RealBLAlley]

And with a squirt of cherry flavor, a pretty tasty dessert as well.

[@John_Smith_60]

@RealBLAlley I prefer lemon, just make sure that it isn't already yellow when you add the lemon flavoring.

[@Kualinar]

A place where humidity over 20% is regarded as humid.

[@khananiel-joshuashimunov4561]

Ice-desert, as Tolkien described his icy wastes

[@RealBLAlley]

@@John_Smith_60 or did I? Buhwaaahaahaa

[@bullnose01]

I was particularly impressed by how you were able to fly an entire Boeing 757 from altitude into a 360 degree panoramic LED studio without leaving any contrails.

[@JessieVillemarette]

That’s one big studio!

[@John_Smith_60]

The "chemtrail" switch was turned off.

[@Deadpool_2028]

​@@John_Smith_60😂😂😂

[@juzoli]

It’s called chemtrails, not contrails. And they can turn it off.

[@Deadpool_2028]

@juzoli I hope you're being sarcastic...

[@TrungTH1190]

Flerf don't understand shadows, now they don't understand humidity? Jezz, get out of yall basements for a minute.

[@kenbrown2808]

they also don't understand snow grooming machines. one was saying because someone had to go from the hard packed groomed surface to an ungroomed surface to pick up snow, the snow was fake.

[@ziyadhatem]

@@TrungTH1190 "don’t understand" pretty much sums up flat earth entirely.

[@ShadowDoc]

And they REALLY don't understand lighting.

[@unduloid]

@@ShadowDoc ... or how cameras work.

[@watchyourtimeco1]

Oh no. They understand all of it perfectly well...at least the ones who are making money from this lie do. They completely understand how the 24 hour sun destroys the Flat Earth and, because they want to continue stealing money from gullible and uninformed people, they willfully dismiss it all! Any scientific theory, postulation, hypothesis, and/or result that doesn't directly agree with their lies, it's automatically fake. Think about it: Fact: Gravity proves a spheroidal planet. Response: Gravity isn't real and everything is density and buoyancy. Fact: If everything is density and buoyancy, the calculations for buoyancy _require_ gravity to be considered. Response: Nu-uh! Fact: Ships disappearing bottom up over the horizon disproves the flat Earth. Response: Nu-uh! We can "pull it back" into view with a strong camera! Fact: It doesn't matter what evidence there is to disprove a flat Earth or prove a globe Earth, Flerfs will always ignore proof and replace it with supposition, estimations, and downright lies. Response:

[@piascott4557]

I've lived 20 years in the northen parts of Finland. Winter breath can be easily "manipulated" too depending how you breath. Hold your breath longer and exhale slowly with open mouth results your breath being warmer and it consists more moisture from your lungs. This way exhale is a lot more visible. And yes it was good way to pass time while waiting for a bus, temp was -25C and no smartphones to play with.

[@UnitSe7en]

I live in the _tropics_ and I know this and have experienced this. What have some people done all their lives? How are people so ignorant of themselves?

[@SuperAwesomestness]

I've definately done this waiting for a bus.

[@WolfEeden]

Correction: "people who believe the Earth is flat and people who *know* the Earth is round."

[@mirrikybird]

A ven-diagram of people who SAY the earth is flat and people who KNOW the earth is round has a concerning amount of overlap

[@wtf1185]

Ha ha, I thought the exact same thing when he said that.

[@Auto..Payge.]

Levels don’t curve. Verticals are parallel too and all humans stand vertically. The globe is literally so easy to show impossible it’s seriously embarrassing there are grown men saying level curves and verticals tilt away from each other

[@ReinoGoo]

@Auto..Paygee Stop talking nonsense. Either the earth is flat or geometry is a real thing. Geometry is a real thing. The angle between plumb and plumb has been measured. It is one arcminute per nautic mile.

[@WolfEeden]

@@Auto..Payge. Funny how flat earthers keep on yapping about a tool they dont understand think proves their point and then ignore all the other tools that actually say something about the shape of the earth

[@RocketboyX]

So humidity is another thing that flat earthers do not understand. That list just grows every day.

[@drozcompany4132]

Also, they have proven they don't understand lighting or photography numerous times, so that doesn't need mentioning.

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

Gravity, buoyancy, perspective, angular resolution, shadows, ...

[@bumnymcneedy249]

Actually the moisture is produced in the lungs, you've never been to a cold dry place have you?

[@bumnymcneedy249]

And I looked up the tempature in all the locations during their time there, we 100% should have been able to see their breath. They really blew it on this one

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

@@bumnymcneedy249 Not only temperature is relevant, but also humidity. Thanks for showing that you _completely_ missed the point. Although that has been explained _dozens_ of times in the last weeks.

[@Aurora666_yt]

I applaud Witsit for having the courage to go to Antarctica. That's something Eric Dumbay will never do.

[@danilooliveira6580]

that is why I'm inclined to accept he is an actual believer, a conmen wouldn't put so much on the line. and even if he accepted because it was the trip of a lifetime, one would expect that he would start lying to cover his ass, like saying they tricked him or something.

[@RealBLAlley]

I'm not since it's clear none of the flerfs were going to admit they were wrong. They accepted because they knew it was a once in a lifetime opportunity independent of their grift. Enjoy an amazing trip, then continue to lie.

[@Mayan_88694]

@@danilooliveira6580 he never admitted to being wrong, he’s a grifter

[@Mayan_88694]

@@danilooliveira6580 he never admitted that the earth is a globe, he’s a grifter

[@RobBanks14]

@@Mayan_88694he admitted he was wrong about 24 hr sun but I agree he hasn’t abandoned flat earth

[@robadams1645]

This reminds me of the space-deniers who watch a 2-hour-long video from the ISS and find 2 seconds that look "wrong" to them and use that to deny the whole thing.

[@jamesp5408]

Your explanation of why exhaled breath sometimes does not condense into vapor is partially correct. The lungs do add a good amount of humidity to air before it's exhaled, so much so that it doesn't make much difference whether the inhaled air is dry or humid. HOWEVER, when the air is dry, the exhaled humidity is absorbed very quickly, and this can leave very little moisture available to condense into visible droplets. You can see this in different humidity conditions: when it's dry, a strong exhale will produce some vapor that disappears soon after leaving the mouth; when humidity is moderate, a cloud can be visible that evaporates after a few seconds; when it's cold and very humid, you can exhale and see that cloud of vapor dwell for quite some time.

[@GCU-GreyArea]

👍

[@mrmjunhy]

Well said

[@blindleader42]

There are instances in this video where the extremely fast sublimation of the breath is demonstrated. Look for the guy facing the camera and bending over.

[@mattstanford9673]

I live in Arkansas, not far from the Arkansas River. It stays fairly humid year-round, so when we do get cold snaps, we tend to have a lot of the few-seconds vapor, leaning towards lingering. Somewhere between three and five seconds. One of my favorite pastimes is walking around and making as big a breath cloud as I can. Lmfao.

[@jobrown8146]

I've noticed this when I've tried to clean my spectacles when in the car with the A/C on. If I "huff" on the glasses the moisture disappears very quickly. If you do the same thing during humid conditions the spectacles will have a small amount of moisture on them. I've also had it happen where I've had the A/C on in the car and been out in the rain, driven into an undercover car park which was a warmer environment and the car fogs up and I cannot see out of the windows.

[@tkd_adam]

i still think it's incredible you stayed up for that long

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Endless daylight actually made it easier

[@nerdjournal]

There is a joke to be made here about superheroes and meth, but I ain't making it

[@JohnGarciaOHMSS]

And still maintain your Brilliant streak. Never ever better said before: "You're a legend Dave!"

[@JuergenHoppe1]

@@DaveMcKeegan I noticed, that you lost a few pounds, watching older videos from you. I hope you are okay?

[@John_Smith_60]

@JuergenHoppe1 Hopefully it was all the calories burned trying to maintain body temperature during TFE.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Last time I was this early, flerfers were still agreeing that a 24 Antarctic sun would disprove flat Earth.

[@ceejay0137]

It does, but they're now claiming it doesn't, or it's irrelevant, or something . . . ?

[@wncjan]

They're just claiming that TFE was fakedand there is no 24 hour su n.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@ceejay0137 Right? I never knew that the sound made by dragging a goalpost to a new location sounded so much like human speech.

[@rage9715]

They are using this footage to debunk TFE let that sink in.

[@0LoneTech]

@@wncjan They're really not "just" anything; they're throwing all sorts of accusations, many conflicting with each other or even themselves. Claiming TFE was fake is one of the more convenient excuses they try; they've been using it for years on just about everything else. That's exactly why TFE brought flat earthers along and established live reporting.

[@Wermhole]

Finlander here. Can confirm your breath in daylight thing. Weirdly enough I remember wondering about this in school as a kid and we then had a class experiment this. Glad to see Flerfers getting their schooling - a little late but still. And glad you can explain things and give level-headed reasons why things haven't been done in a fast manner, since handling such gargantuan file sizes is not a simple task to accomplish just cause. And you still have your own content to take care of.

[@alvin2021]

Flat earthers: "Do your own research" Okay we did, we flew to Antarctica to film a 24hr Sun. "Faaaaaaaaaaaaake😭😭😭😭"

[@skyeiv8471]

Pretty much.

[@MATTINCALI]

@@skyeiv8471 They had to go to antactica because no one in the southern half of the world can show the sun's path? Sun should rise SE, North at noon, SW, for people in australia, south america, south africia and etc. during the southern summer (to match the globe model). No one can ever show the sun making this path, throughout a a day, including the 10 TFE people while they were in Chile for several days. As well, no evidence that the sun appears to go straight across the sky, at the equator, during the equinoxes.

[@pilgrimsnest592]

Earth ist still flat and motionless and yes, these globehead freemasons cannot be trusted.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

@@pilgrimsnest592 Weak, 0/10.

[@StixFerryMan]

Funny thing is, most don’t do any research at all, except watching other flat earth videos and regurgitating what they say. Which itself is hilarious, since they say globers are just repeating ’lies’ they were taught, appealing to authority, while that is exactly what they are doing.

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

This is a bit off-topic, but I just have to say - What an amazing & beautiful place Antarctica is! You guys put in the work, and it shows! I think you've captured the most beautiful video of the 24-hour sun ever made. Honestly (and somewhat ironically), breathtaking.

[@GraveUypo]

i landed a plane there in flight simulator 2024 and beautiful was the last thing in my mind. there was fog, and literally nothing to be seen all around. just a gray void. i taxied around for a while trying to find something with no success. just imagine the unrelenting cold, and you're stranded without any means of knowing where you are or where to go, with thousands and thousands of miles between you and any other living thing. might as well be stranded on another planet. i've never had that sensation of isolation from a game before. it felt so real.

[@rlh1984]

Flat Earthers have never been outside: confirmed.

[@distinctdipole]

We know of a few who have, but don't seem to have liked the experience... or at least the reality that they were confronted with

[@Auto..Payge.]

We already have a tool called a water level tool that uses the surface of water to establish horizontal .. no level is curved. All verticals are parallel too, squares and cubes show this and all humans stand vertically. The globe is so easy to show wrong anyone still believing it have done no true study of geometry. We live in Euclidean three space and the only PRACTICAL geometry we use is Euclidean. This geometry deals with solids too. Go and read elements and you will learn about verticals. Orientations are set .. like vertical, it’s not many orientations around a ball they are called radial lines .. a circle ⭕️ has one vertical and if you turn it to put another vertical on it the first vertical is no longer vertical.

[@joerichardson4325]

​@@Auto..Payge. The amount of effort you expend to being wrong about everything is astronomically astounding. I'm not even gonna mention your astuteness!

[@NoStringsAttachedPrd]

@@Auto..Payge. > We already have a tool called a water level tool that uses the surface of water to establish horizontal .. no level is curved. i've joked about flerfers saying this but you appear to be serious - to be clear, this is the equivalent of holding up a 10cm ruler and saying "Look, the edge isn't curved! so if we measure the ground with this then it's flat! if the world were really a globe then the ruler would be curved!" because get this: ruler small, planet _big._ at the scale of a 10cm ruler, there is no measurable curve to account for. there is even less in a water level which, looking at the pictures, would appear to hold maybe 1cm^2 of fluid surface area. the curvature of the earth at that scale will be easily dwarfed by surface tension. all this to say: you cannot possibly be serious. "The globe is so easy to show wrong! Look, I poured a glass of water, and I don't see any curve on the surface!" would be _less silly than this_ because a glass of water is at a larger scale even than a water level tool. > no level is curved. if "down" is defined as the center of a sphere, ie its center of gravity, then yes the "level" would be curved on a macro scale, and appear flat at a micro scale. exactly the same with our earth. > All verticals are parallel too, squares and cubes show this and all humans stand vertically. yes, and the fact that obelisks standing vertically are in fact _not_ parallel to each other when separated by the distance of, say, Syene to Alexandria, was how Eratosthenes was able to calculate the circumference of the globe to within an impressive margin of error over two thousand years ago. The globe is so easy to show to anyone who has done any real study of geometry.

[@joeshmoe7967]

@@Auto..Payge. Was that nonsense trying to disprove the KNOWN globe? I can't quite tell. You some how know more than the entire catalog of human science and observation. There is no doubt the earth is a sphere. It is EASY to prove, but not to simpletons or morons.

[@henrya3530]

Here's a fun experiment anyone can do regardless of where they live or what shape they think the earth is: Spend a few minutes in a walk-in storage freezer kept at -20C or below. You can find such walk-in storage freezers at larger supermarkets and food storage warehouses though you may need to first get the manager's permission before you can go in and film there. If you tell them it's for a college science project most companies will be happy to help you providing it is not a busy time for them. What do you think you will see? 1) My breath will be continually visible because the air is freezing. 2) After a short time my breath will no longer be visible because I will be breathing air that is completely dry. 3) My breath will not be visible. Go on. Try it. See what happens to your breath.

[@spacelemur7955]

Science strives to methodically learn from the data. Without it, it's all just cherry picking to prop up some belief one is invested in.

[@SuperAwesomestness]

This was exactly what I was thinking. They barely have to travel to test this. Some of them may work at a restaurant, butcher, distribution center, supermarket, or port facility with a walk-in freezer. Basically any job in the logistics pipeline bringing meat or poultry or fish from the farm to the table.

[@0LoneTech]

I was curious what sort of measurements Jeran did, and watched one of his streams. Turns out he debunked "vapegate" by having a chat with Witsit at the time, where Witsit essentially said you could make your breath cloud a bit by taking a swig of water. That's what he was showing, and the explanation was right there, which I suspect is why the vapegate nonsense never refers to the original stream's audio. Besides which we have toon showing some clouding that was usually too faint (showed in front of his dark T-shirt) and Tommy Grønvold linked to some completely unrelated footage demonstrating similar conditions in Norway. It's a tempest in a thimble, as usual, all based on building lies while grasping for straws.

[@0LoneTech]

For the record, I'm counting this as Witsit performing a reasonable experiment. He tested the hypothesis that his breath didn't cloud because of low humidity by adding more moisture.

[@0LoneTech]

As usual, Dave brought far more detail including his own evidence, solid explanations, and a reminder to avoid bias. I'll note I do not know whether Witsit vapes in the first place, nor if the explanation he told to Jeran was for all puffs or just some. Also, excellent remark on the oxymoronic attempting to say the scenery is fake by assuming the footage is true.

[@L30B055]

Vapegate which is acknowledged in the video is witsit lying about the reason for why his breathe was suddenly visible, claiming it was the cold air but it was his vape. Lies.

[@simond.455]

@@0LoneTech Once again, they didn't think their claims through to the end. 🤷‍♀

[@someonerandom704]

what else could he have put to his mouth in that footage though? Note that all the water bottles they use are pretty big to insulate the water.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Of all the possible flerfer copes to show up as a result of TFE, I never in a million years would have guessed the flerfers would hang their precious world view on whether one of their own vaped. This is the deepest, funniest outcome of the whole thing, and the fact that the flerfers are arguing so fervently about vapegate is such a funny setup that I hope someone makes a movie about this whole thing.

[@MaGaO]

_The Movement must keep going. Sacrifices are acceptable._

[@John_Smith_60]

"Water-vaper Gate"

[@joerichardson4325]

"All the Resident Flerfs Men". Starring Witsit and Jeran as Woodward and Bernstein. Special appearance by Nathan Oakley as DeepThroat.

[@John_Smith_60]

@joerichardson4325 I was trying to figure out how to make _All the President's Men_ work, but gave up and went with my rendition.

[@tyrannicpuppy]

I love that they cling to this one moment as proof that it's all fake coz one guy vaped. So what about all the other times in the many videos we can clearly see puffs of vapour on everyone else while their heads remain fully in view of the camera and no vapes are anywhere to be seen? Are they all internally wired up to vapes so they can occasionally but not regularly exhale small puffs, but only when in the exact right lighting conditions where normal human breath in a freezing desert would show visible vapour...? But it wouldn't be a flat-earth 'debate' without the flerf side moving the goalposts half a dozen times an hour.

[@davidstanley4877]

I admire your patience with people that are uneducated

[@ShizukuSeiji]

and wilfully obstinate

[@PLMMJ]

I don't know how he manages.

[@MotsamaiMofokeng]

School dropouts.

[@Vykk_Draygo]

It's not really about education. Even educated people can believe crackpot theories.

[@khandimahn9687]

Even worse are the ones who ARE educated, but chose to ignore and/or call it all propaganda and lies.

[@acousticambush9421]

I made a KZbin channel 9 years ago . I made it just to keep some songs I'd written so that they'd be there forever. In those 9 years , I've gotten 26 and 7 views on my songs , most of which were probably me just checking in. I have ZERO subscribers. It literally embarrasses me that these flat earthers have more viewers and subscribers than I do. Like my tunes are at least REAL lol

[@joeshmoe7967]

OK, I am going in, and sending a friend!!!!

[@user-vr2rq5hl6l]

I just subscribed! Post more!

[@anonymes2884]

Have another view and kudos for putting your stuff out there :). (but relying on a corporation to store your songs "forever" isn't likely to end well)

[@MrBowser2012]

It’s all so ridiculous, but I can’t seem to look away😊

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Flerf really is the trainwreck that keeps on giving!

[@c.augustin]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee It's a train wreck on infinite loop.

[@-ZM_Gaming-]

​@@c.augustina trainwreck that was so bad that its hilarious

[@MetastaticMaladies]

Dave, you have the patience of a saint, and the way you explain things in such a simple and easy to understand manner should be applauded. Your footage on that trip is truly remarkable and amazing. You have and continue to do a great job!

[@nickellis999]

Seconded

[@Ettrick8]

If the TFE is CGI and took place on a film set, then you guys had access to best and most realistic special effects in the world.

[@aeroflopper]

have you seen the new iss film, the film industry still can't fake it.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

To flerfers, CGI is just a magic wand that you wave and it makes whatever visual your heart desires with no effort. They haven't got the slightest clue about how difficult it is to make even mediocre CGI, let alone anything that holds up long term.

[@Deirdre-616]

Do flerfs think they were rendering hyper realistic CGI in realtime or something? At the same time, flerfs want to claim the fakery is so bad that they made tons of amateur mistakes. Like which is it guys? Super advanced technology and CGI production quality or a mistakes riddled amateur attempt?

[@brianfhunter]

That is Bollywood for you my friend.....

[@jeffh8803]

@@Deirdre-616supposedly not only can they do hyper cgi but “they” have been faking space and everything with cgi since the 1960s

[@PatricRogers]

I grew up in Ohio and Michigan (USA). Many, many, many cold and snowy days. And most of the time, breathe was not visible, unless we actually tried. As in your "Northern hemisphere" example video clip, that person's breathe is only visible when the person pursed his lips and deliberately injected enough moisture (via the inside of the lips) to make it appear.

[@pierreboissonneault]

Exactly the same where I live near Montreal in Canada.

[@ambds1975]

Yeah, I live in Boston, MA. It's about 16F out there right now, and I could not see my breath when I just took the trash out. I bet if I had my coffee on the porch when the sun was rising, I'd've had steamy looking coffee and steamy looking breath. And a frozen ass. It's all humidity and lighting dependent.

[@ArcaJ]

​@@ambds1975I hate the cold, but a hot cup on a frigid day sounds nice and refreshing.😊

[@gwanael34]

​@@pierreboissonneaultlike legit RIGHT NOW it's -9°C here in Gatineau and we don't see our breath.

[@magical_catgirl]

Same here during winter in SE Australia. Only visible on cold humid days when we try to make it seen. Just breathing normally doesn't do anything.

[@DraconisLeonidas]

I think one mistake non-flat-earthers make in these arguments against flat earthers is trying to say "Oh they're supposed to be adults but don't even know how ____ works," which can be found in this comment section too. The issue isn't not knowing how these sorts of things work- I sure as hell didn't know how concepts of humidity and such in these scenarios worked. The issue is, instead of recognizing that lack of knowledge and either accepting it or looking for scientific explanations, FEers instead assume conspiracy and point to it as evidence of said conspiracy while disregarding any and all evidence to the contrary.

[@jamesrobertson9597]

Came here to say exactly this. I hadn't thought about whether you should be able to see your breath all the time in Antarctica, but once Dave started talking about it, it made perfect sense. This is a good example of "common sense" frequently failing you. Physical phenomenon in places you don't have any experience with might be far different than you'd expect. Most people take these things in stride and take the opportunity to, you know... LEARN SOMETHING NEW. But conspiracy nuts tend to think they already know everything and when something doesn't behave the way they think it should they simply say it's fake. This behavior signals a very tenuous grasp of reality that you rarely even see in children.

[@aleisterpook1730]

Yes. Morons.

[@dingokidneys]

As an Australian who's never actually experienced weather at blow freezing temperatures, I also didn't know much about how breath frosts under different conditions. But a simple explanation and a moment's thought to consider whether it was realistic or not was enough to persuade me that there are quite a few factors at play here. 1. They are in a desert; a desert of ice but still a desert with very low baseline humidity. 2. They are at 2500 ft elevation, lowering the air pressure. 3. It was windy at times though it was not always apparent. 4. The sensitivity of camera will be constantly changing to compensate for differing light conditions from ultra-bright when mostly snow and ice is in frame to significantly darker when a person wearing clothes that are non-reflective fills most of the frame. 5. Witsit was being badgered to show his breath so he was inhaling and exhaling quickly giving less time for the air he'd inhaled to warm and take up moisture in his lungs. After a few breaths he complained about a sore chest which would have resulted from chilled and dehydrated lungs. Possibly his breath might have been more visible if he'd inhaled, held his breath a bit, and then exhaled. Maybe. Pouncing on one thing that doesn't align with your preconceptions and calling out fake is completely disingenuous.

[@catpoke9557]

Yeah, I don't blame them for not knowing this because it's pretty niche knowledge in a lot of the US (where most flat earthers I've seen are from)

[@jamesrobertson9597]

@@catpoke9557 I don't blame anybody for not knowing something. I blame people when they refuse to learn facts because they don't fit their agenda.

[@no_rubbernecking]

Thanks Dave. This breath fracas is hilarious. I'm in central Florida, notoriously one of the most humid places on Earth, and it is quite regular that i step outside on a winter day into freezing or near-freezing conditions and can't see a lick of my own breath. The same was true when i lived in Kansas City. The people claiming never to have experienced this, yet they "know" everything about the topic, are beyond jokes and need to grow up immediately. They don't merit the level of seriousness with which they're being taken.

[@mauldothelastcrafter8194]

I remember a ton of times growing up in Arkansas when we wouldn't realize we should be able to see our breath until suddenly, someone would say "Hey, it's really cold our here, shouldn't we be able to see our breathes?" Then we'd be a circle of teenagers on a high school/junior high campus tilting our heads against our chests or holding our hands up to our mouths or puckering our lips trying to get a cloud. I guess I can see now that we were accidentally increasing the amount of humidity in our breaths. But still, us even needing to try proves your point. I grew up in 90's and 00's Arkansas, so I dunno if they wanna claim global warming or 9/11 or something as an excuse

[@no_rubbernecking]

@mauldothelastcrafter8194 👍🏼 Same here, i probably observed it in other cold places too but just wasn't as attuned to it. (Cleveland, Long Island, etc.) Bottom line is they'll claim whatever they think they need to to keep the grift going. I mean i've already been told many times Antarctica is off limits because the Atlanteans, the Ancient Egyptians, the Pleiadeans, and the Austrian painter with his No-no crowd are controlling all of the natural environment from within that continent, using liberating technology that is denied to the rest of us. There is now a core of about 3-5% of U.S. Americans who now believe that no new inventions by "us", the regular people of Earth, are possible, because the Antarctic crowd is so advanced that they just dribble their oldest stuff onto us every few years, and it takes us years to reverse-engineer it so we can produce more of it. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, because some of that actually seems plausible to me, but when you bring in Pleiadeans, German storm troopers with iron cross helmets keeping a 135-year-old Austrian painter alive, and controlling earthquakes, volcanoes, sea level, and mass extinctions in the Northern Hemisphere from a cave under an ice sheet at 75° South latitude, the rest becomes kind of a hard sell...😆😭

[@ericclore9067]

You're fighting an uphill battle Dave, but you're doing amazing work. Keep it up! Thank you for your hard work and especially your time.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

If it was fake, it should be able to be recreated.My challenge to the flat earth community is to recreate the fake twenty four hour sun.

[@alvin2021]

What!!?? That means them getting up and doing something!

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

@alvin2021 I guess I shouldn't bother asking who the most famous flat earth explorer then?

[@alvin2021]

@@RobertSmith-gx3mi I guess its now Jeran and Witnit😆

[@Slimmeyy]

The 24-hour Sun is actually easier to do on a flat Earth than on a globe Earth, and thus most flat-Earth "models" already have it (unintentionally). The problem is the day-night cycle being the way it is. The light would have to magically bend around a magic dark force that keeps a little less than half the planet dark.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

@Slimmeyy So go to the place according to the flat Earth map where you can best film the twenty four hour sun and let's see it happen?

[@JanRautiainen]

Great, first Australia, now Finland, so I am now fake as well, thanks for the sentiment Dave 😂

[@thickquinkly1560]

Aussie here. So, the question now becomes, are you the real fake, or am I?

[@nochsta]

I guess you could say that you’ve been Finnished.

[@ShagShaggio]

The breath thing is so stupid. Seriously have none of those people ever been outside on a cold day for longer than 10mins? I live in the southern US where it is far more humid than the antarctic and I can go outside right now where it is about 20f (-6c) and I cant see my breath after about 5 mins. Many times as a child I was fascinated by being able to so clearly see my breath but after a few deep breaths it would be invisible again. Trying to use that as any sort of evidence of the trip being fake has to be the most dishonest thing I have heard them say.

[@criskity]

Their failure to understand breath, shadows, sunlight, etc. indicates that flerfs rarely go outside.

[@stiimuli]

It is poetic that the only fakery (if that's what it was) on this trip came from a flat earther and he's being eaten alive by his own people whom he trained to do so

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

I think there's a decent chance that both Witsit and Jeran will get hounded out of the flerfer community.

[@Driahva]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee Better yet, Dave Weiss made comments defending that they were there. This is something that won't be forgotten, and it's just going to divide them more.

[@Soul_Watcher]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee oh they have been since before they went. It’s only gotten worse for them since. But they’re desperately trying to do damage control.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@Soul_Watcher It has been truly entertaining watching the flerf community react to TFE. It's especially funny that the one thing they're hanging their hat on is that Witsit may or may not have hit a vape.

[@Soul_Watcher]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee it truly has been entertaining. It also proves to me that the final experiment is ongoing and continuous. Flat earthers are willing to eat each other alive to stay in their delusion of FE. Cheers

[@danilooliveira6580]

there is another detail that I didn't see you mention. when you leave a hot and humid environment, and enter a dry and cold environment, your breath will become extremely visible, but as you exhale the hot humid air and start breathing the cold dry air, your breath will become less visible. so it's likely it wasn't that Austin vaped, he just left the inside of the cabin with his lungs full of hot humid air.

[@aeroflopper]

He vaped, he has admitted he vaped, but he did not want to promote smoking on youtube so tried to vape off camera, he did not vape to try and fake breath. how absurd.

[@danilooliveira6580]

@aeroflopper when he admitted ? Because we just saw him saying he didn't vape. Why would he lie ?

[@p529.]

​@@danilooliveira6580Can you remind me again where the part is where he denies vaping? Or is it that he denied vaping to produce visible fog because I feel like there is a pretty big difference there but that's just me. Look if you want to keep on believing that we are on a frisbee, go ahead, but please do so without being annoying :)

[@corporatecapitalism]

@@p529.he did say he didn’t vape it’s around the start of the video during the discord call. Also pretty sure the other guy isn’t a flat earther and was just curious

[@ICSpin]

Austin pulled a stunt and it backfired, Earth is still a globe

[@BarioIDL]

next they'll invalidate the footage by the lack of clouds

[@TrungTH1190]

@@BarioIDL Jeran already released his chest cam footages, and there were clouds, crazy formations of clouds no less.

[@criskity]

@@BarioIDL Eric Dumbay whined about there being no wind. As if calm days somehow don't exist. Indeed, calm weather is preferred by Antarctic trip organizers, and they had to cut the trip short by a day because of an approaching storm.

[@BackPadler]

I don't think it was a stunt. I don't think anyone expected conspiracies to come up like they have. I would also be somewhat inconsistent in response when put on the spot while being blasted with "you faked the sun" and then your breath comes up as an argument too... Who recalls every step, breath, vape, shadow etc. while to actual goal is to observe the motion and rotation of the sun.

[@MaGaO]

​@@criskity Oh, I had someone call me a liar for saying that most of Antarctica is under a high pressure system as an explanation for still air areas existing. I looked at Windy and there were large areas where wind was expected to be slower than 2m/s.

[@bsharp55]

As someone living in Saskatchewan, one of the coldest places in the northern hemisphere, I can say unequivocally, you don't always see breath when it's cold.

[@YOYOTh1s]

It's like Level Earth Observer ignoring floating microphones and tablets on the ISS and then claiming that the astronauts are "obviously on harnesses"... It's such infuriatingly stupid logic...

[@captainlengthwidth6692]

'Logic'?

[@alvin2021]

Flatards clinging onto the whole vape thing is the biggest cope in human history since flatards suggested the Sun in Antarctica is just a reflection on the dome😂

[@aden538]

IMO, the biggest cope was the moment this trip was announced. Before that, FE was all "you can't go" and "24-hour sun doesn't exist". As soon as this trip became a reality, the FE narrative immediately shifted to "24-hour sun doesn't prove anything". Like, it was within a few days, and just the PROPOSAL of this trip immediately sent them backpedaling because they knew what was going to happen.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Yep, the entire flattie thing is no more than a pathetic joke now. They just need to STFU and go away. Fools.

[@alvin2021]

@aden538 yeah, now suddenly out of nowhere Joseph Hanveys flat model is the "real" one🤣 Never heard him mentioned before ever

[@vandey3420]

Have none of these flat earthers been to a cold climate area? I could've told you that you can't always see breath when it's cold. I grew up in MN where it gets really cold a few months of the year. Lots of times it's cold enough, and you can't see your breath...

[@flowingafterglow629]

It's cold here now and I didn't see my breath as I walked in from the parking garage. Usually when it's cold, you might see your breath in the first few breaths but by the time you've breathed cold air for a bit, it's generally not an issue. Then again, vape or not, they were still in Antarctica and that's all that matters

[@flyingprist]

I mean that requires them to step outside for a moment, I don't think they do that

[@John_Smith_60]

@flyingprist They only step outside to "measure" the "temperature" of Moonlight.

[@miraqen7801]

i mean, that's not even fair. what you're doing is already thinking, they however, do not.

[@miraqen7801]

@@John_Smith_60 LMFAO is that actually real? i hope it is and i hope i see that argument for myself one day 😆

[@zoroark567]

This video perfectly captures why Dave's photography background makes him an excellent debunker.

[@DanielRebar]

All of these and the whole TFE are very interesting. Unfortunately, there can truly be no Final Experiment, because of one simple rule. Unreasonable people can not accept reason. I used to get a kick out of new police officers who would banter back and forth with people who they had arrested for drunk driving, trying to tell them sensibly why they had been arrested. I would eventually just tell them to save their breath, because the person was drunk and temporarily unreasonable. This is the same scenario, except that the unreasonable is a permanent condition.

[@gasgaslex_photos]

Well said 👏

[@alvin2021]

It wont change anything Dave, those psychos will say you were in a absolutely giant LCD dome and were using vapes to fake breath on cold air😂 Their cope is on an astronomical level.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

The fact that flerfers have to resort to an increasingly elaborate collection of self-contradicting conspiracy theories to prop up their beliefs should act as a red flag to pretty much anyone who might be flerf-curious.

[@alvin2021]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee I guess they could take it as it as compliment that flerfs believe they could even build a studio that big and looking that good😆

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@alvin2021 If such a studio existed, there would be a massive paper trail of construction contractors, to say nothing of the staff needed to run the place, and the army of programmers, CG artists, and IT sysadmins to generate all that CG work. It would take an army of thousands and cost more than the budget of any ten random Marvel movies put together.

[@alvin2021]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee flat earthers thinking their conspiracies through isn't their strong point

[@Leongon]

The most ridiculous claim is about a 360° screen stage because, first, it's around 180° screen because it's a stage with room for the camera man, actors and crew to be able to move in, out and around, and second, it works with only one camera at a time that is reporting its position and angle so the screen displays the correct angle for it specifically and any other cameras filming that screen will show the environment all warped because its not displaying the angle appropriate for them.

[@defenestrated23]

Yep parallax and multi simultaneous camera shots (see TFE's or Wally's channel) shuts down the green screen or LED dome argument pretty hard, unless you invoke magical "holograms" (inb4)

[@sarahkatherine8458]

"flat earther here, what you have just said is too difficult for me to understand, so it is fake"

[@nmayor4232]

If flat earthers would have the necessary a grasp of geometry and perspective to understand this argument, they probably would not be flat earthers. By the magic of having spoken to a few people who are really into flat earth believe, I know they have a really poor ability for mental 3d spatial manipulation. That is probably true for many people general population, so it is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for being a flat earther.

[@Ironraven001]

And they flew a drone 100+ feet away on a live stream, eliminating any chance for a green screen or movie set.

[@nathanielreik6617]

It's funny that so many who claim this was in a studio were offered the chance to go themselves for free and refused. They could have said with authority if it's real or fake but no.

[@Wolfie6020]

The responses to TFE we see from flat Earthers clearly demonstrates how ridiculous and delusional they are. Their desperation and the amount of panicked video responses is comical.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

The fact that they think a dude vaping is the one thing that brings the entirety of TFE tumbling down like the end of an episode of Columbo is hilarious.

[@Ricardofromage]

The copium is strong with these people....

[@mikep9604]

Desperate flat earthers are now all over the comment sections of these videos showing their idiocy.

[@gregedmand9939]

Anyone who has grown up in a climate like Canada's, has as a child figured out the "breath vapour" phenomenon in winter temperatures. The amount of visible "cloud" is dependent on the moisture content and contrast between the exhaled breath and ambient air. The colder the air itself is, the less moisture it is capable of carrying. The more rapidly a person breathes, the less moisture is contained in each breath. The Flerf claims that seeing variations in people's visible breath cloud, proves anything for their paranoia afflicted membership, is just asinine.

[@John_Smith_60]

Just a clarification on the "less moisture" in cold air. It's not that cold air can't carry as much moisture, but that more of the moisture has already condensed/frozen out because the air is below the condensation/freezing point of water.

[@gregedmand9939]

@John_Smith_60 The maximum amount of water vapor that can exist in the air at a given temperature is called the vapor pressure. Cold air has a lower vapor pressure than warm air.

[@joeshmoe7967]

I have lived in Calgary since 1962, and we get some cold days, but I have never consciously noticed not seeing my breath. Wish I had heard of it a week ago during the cold snap. Next time it is chilly I am going to go out and make some observations, maybe video. Unless I win the Lotto Max, then I am jetting to Antarctica!!!

[@Harrery]

One thing Ive heard that you didn’t mention was when witsit walked out of the blue trailer and had a lot of visible breathe, his lungs were full of warm humid inside the room air that he then breathed out. It’s the equivalent of taking a lung full of helium and then walking around breathing for 30 seconds and wondering why your voice isn’t high pitched anymore

[@danilooliveira6580]

I mentioned the exact same thing. it's the only way I can get my breath visible here in the tropics. on very cold mornings, if I get my lungs full of hot humid air from inside, and breath out slowly outside against the light, I can make my breath visible.

[@jobrown8146]

It _might_ have been that he vaped just before he left the trailer. Not being sarcastic or antagonistic, just stating a possibility.

[@Witsit]

Yes when you went inside to warm up and/or drank warm water you could see your breath for a couple minutes afterwards.

[@danilooliveira6580]

@@jobrown8146 but even if he did, it also explains how sometimes their breath was very thick and visible, and sometime it wasn't.

[@Weary_Wizard]

flat earthers moving the goal posts and rejecting their own evidence? nooooo

[@MagCynic]

3:05 I think Flatzoid comes out the worst in all of this because he has nothing. He has baseless claims and zero evidence to refute anything.

[@ambds1975]

The explanation isn't for the flerfs; they are being wilfully ignorant. The explanation is for the people who tuned in to see what the ruckus was about and might be vulnerable to the flerfs' grift.

[@mattrix2007]

All they can ever do is nit pick at small irrelevant things because they have NO EVIDENCE to back up their ridiculous claims of the earth being flat.

[@desertstar223]

Dave, what I admire the most is the level of professionalism from you guys when you were doing your thing down in Antarctica.

[@zackc3767]

Witsit hiding his vaping rather than admit he's vaping to debunk this is the funniest part.

[@mitchio83]

It really is

[@0LoneTech]

I'm not sure he did. Jeran spoke to him before this brouhaha, while they were there, and Witsit said he could make his breath cloud by taking a swig of water.

[@John_Smith_60]

@0LoneTech I can see how that would work: more water in mouth = more water in exhaled breath = more condensation of "breath" = more visible "breath". It's not even cheating. It's just making sure there is enough moisture in the breath to see it.

[@JD_1960]

Betting witsit lied on his medical insurance to keep rates low and then thought "shit I've been outted"😅

[@NikiDaDude]

But why would he need to hide that he's vaping, he's an adult not a teenager. I doubt you can smoke a regular cigarette in Antarctica.

[@OGYettie]

Flerfs lying and fighting each other to keep the grift going? Never.

[@NicktheVeteran]

What? Vapor doesn't mean crap. I used to look like my body was steaming when I took off my jacket in Alaska. Sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't. Doesn't prove anything.

[@Ohmz27]

Thanks Dave for putting so much of your time and effort into this. It's a pretty silly topic, but the actions you have taken and are taking are honestly pretty monumental in their own right. I hope you got to enjoy the time you were there!

[@RainCountryHomestead]

Nice work Dave, thank you!

[@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245]

An interesting observation. Near the exhaust of a running car, your breath can be much more visible. The same happens when you cut wood with a circular saw in the cold.

[@cynodont7391]

Now you just need to find a tree in Antarctica :-)

[@thephantomeagle2]

I have lived in northern, snowy, areas for most of my life. Be it France, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin, I can promise you one thing from lots of experience. If you go from inside to outside in winter, since the breath is formed in the throat and mouth, within minutes, or less the colder it gets, your visible breath goes away as your body acclimates to the cold. Even if you're wearing a ski mask, it will only delay that for a short time. You can also extended, if like me, you're a nose breather and you keep your mouth closed as long as possible. once your mouth and throat get close to the same temperature as the air around you, that breath is no longer warmer than the air. Therefore no more visible breath. If you go inside to get something and then come back out you might have visible breath again, but not always if it's very cold and windy it can take a couple minutes or more for you to acclimate to the warmth inside.

[@spacelemur7955]

Don't forget, the air in that house ultimately comes from the cold dry outside air. The _relative_ humidity inside the house will be lower than outside, because warm air can hold more _absolute_ humidity, and thus even further away from the condensation point. It's why air humidifiers are often used in winter, and dehumidifiers in the summer.

[@tolsen8212]

I reckon that dog is CGI. Nothing could be that adorable in real life.

[@scyz2807]

LOL : - )

[@elemkay5104]

Thanks, I have no doubts about the shape of our planet, but was genuinely interested as to why breath wasn't visible in the footage that I had seen thus far.

[@aeroflopper]

it's a desert

[@Mike-v9e9z]

Hi y'all... Just to add another aspect re; Antarctica... It is the driest continent on the planet. Zero rainfall. Just dry snow. That is why you cannot see anyone's breath, except in the "right lighting conditions" as explained by Dave.

[@Loki-]

Let me use flerf logic for a moment: whether or not Austin vaped doesn't determine the shape of the Earth.

[@isais207]

No one can say that the footage is fake, because they all had a chance to travel for free with you and record it themselves, but none of them were brave (or honest enough) to do that

[@tdublove9558]

I offered to go and they ignored me

[@Vykk_Draygo]

That isn't a logically consistent argument. Their not accepting the trip (disregarding potentially legitimate reasons) makes them intellectually dishonest, but that doesn't mean they can't question footage of the trip. Questioning data is a key component of scientific thinking, and this is why good scientific papers go into tremendous detail about the methodology used to obtain the data being analyzed (and I think Dave does an excellent job explaining his methodology, for what it is worth).

[@isais207]

@Vykk_Draygo true, yet when have you seen flat earthers apply logic? I'm just pointing out that the flerfs could have travelled with them for free and see it for themselves but they either were too scared that their belief would be destroyed or (most likely option) that their grifting would be exposed leaving them with much smaller income and a lot larger ridicule

[@Vykk_Draygo]

@@isais207 Oh, I don't expect them to be logically consistent. I agree. 😄

[@zenithparsec]

​@@tdublove9558 so you accept the results? they would have been the same if you went. if not, why not?

[@stellacollector]

Never have I though the word "Vapegate" would be uttered from Dave's mouth - multiple times.

[@CalebTibster]

2:28 I don’t think you can even call this a debate. It’s a cross examination *at best.* One guy is saying he didn’t do something, and the other guy is insisting he did.

[@rooty]

I really have to wonder if witsit has reflected for even a second on the fact this is what he has spent all his time doing to everyone else until now. Lying, and lying about other people lying.

[@imperview]

The "I've gotta fake it if it proves my point" mentality seems to be so deeply embedded in flat-earthers that they seem to employ it even when trying to prove the actual truth.

[@seankelley3489]

I love watching these videos. It is an interesting topic. I amazes me just how far people will go to not believe something. I am also amazed at how many different ways to film and record that yall used to cover all the bases, so thorough. After this trip and videos like this they really have to want to keep believing in a FE. Good job all of you. Must have been an awesome trip.

[@BurntCricket]

Dave, it is NOT "think" it is a globe, we KNOW Earth is a globe.

[@kazmaierisking4034]

Austin was leaving a trail of breadcrumbs, knowing his little followers would pick up on them and cast doubt on the trip, While Jeran was in awe of the whole experience

[@kev23xxx]

What about those that now claim that the 24hr sun actually Proves flat earth? I find that hilariously desperate. 😂😂😂

[@DaveMcKeegan]

It's amazing that they only started making that claim AFTER we proved the 24 hour sun existed If they ever went to space and saw the globe, they'd probably try claiming that proved Flat Earth as well 🤣

[@mcgeorgerl]

Some are now stating that their "models" predicted a 24 Hour Antarctic Sun. All I recall is that numerous Flat Earthers (Like Nathan Oakly) used to do their videos with reproduction Gleason Longitude and Time Calculators on their walls in the background. In the lower right-hand corner where the Suns circuit over the Tropic of Capricorn is depicted, the text clearly states that there is no sunlight visible below 80 degrees south. I have yet to hear any Flat Earther admit that all of the videos touting Alexander Gleason's positions on Antarctica were wrong. As soon as the cameras at Amundsen-Scott went live, anyone with internet access could view sunlight at the Southern Pole during their summer season and watch the shadows change.

[@peterrichardson4439]

I actually live in Finland and can promise you that many many times I've been outside taking Aurora pictures my breathing hasn't been visible if I'm in the picture. Walked about in minus 33 degrees Celsius in Kilpsijarvi last February in daylight with 2 friends and zero breath was visible. Very sad in this day and age that people have to learn basic things like moisture in air.

[@tonyclif1]

Here's a video from 1995, where an Australian couple spent 12 months living in Antarctica. No visible breath in 99% of the video, and very obviously not in a studio - and the CGI technology would not be able to fake their being in Antarctica that long ago. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmK8daV8YtGjj6Msi=JEOtl3-wVhtYqqk8 The guy, Don McIntyre, has been to Antarctica at least 4 times, all videoed, no armed guards, no ice wall, and he went there in the above video on his own boat, with no organised company, just his wife and 4-5 friends.

[@FallenRaven]

FAKE! /s 😁

[@eltinto]

Dave really leaves no prisoners when he debunks something

[@suomynona4420]

It's legitimately insane they still think it's fake.

[@ZestaBackfromburnout]

It’s literally fake. ANYONE CAN SEE.

[@SeanReed-ls5dl]

​@@ZestaBackfromburnoutok... So would you like to give a certain point where it's obvious it's faked?

[@NoStringsAttachedPrd]

@@ZestaBackfromburnout prove it. you can't so you're shouting.

[@xDAKPRODUCTIONSx]

@@ZestaBackfromburnout If you're dumb enough to believe the moot points they try to bring up to prove that it's fake

[@kaznakajima6480]

I work in the film industry in Canada (where we are known for the hot winters). We sometimes run into the opposite issue where the breaths are too visible and can cause problems visually (like say the story take place in the summer). So in order to combat that, a little hack we use is we get the actors to suck on an ice cube for a few beats and we start rolling. This method I'm guessing "cools" down the inside of the mouth temporarily so the breath that comes out isn't nearly as warm and humid and is closer to the outside conditions. Pretty neat hack. Before FEs starts jumping at the first image they see, they need to first understand a thing or two about optics and lighting and stop being so reactionary and impulsive.

[@joeshmoe7967]

Another thing to try when it is cold but not freezing. I have never noticed this lack of breath thing and have lived in Canada my whole life. I dabble in TV, movies, broadcast, never heard of this hack, but I will keep that in my 'tool kit'. - Cheers

[@theeviltobey]

Hey guys, wake up! Dave posted again!

[@MuttonChops24]

Vape Gate is thoroughly cleared up, but I’m afraid Stupid Gate will never be.

[@TheSanpletext]

As a Finn I can tell, that on cold dry days we really don't get visible breath. But that's also because we are secretly a Japanese fishing spot and don't actually exist. /j

[@DeputyNordburg]

I knew it!

[@mfaizsyahmi]

If getting on a trip to the south pole automatically discredits a flerf no mater how highly esteemed they are, then the final solution of flerfism is staring right at our faces: ship the entire global flerf movement to Antarctica. Poof, the entire flerf movement discredited. p.s. return ticket not guaranteed 😂

[@strider_hiryu850]

to upload the full video in original quality of Wills timelapse, i recommend contacting KZbin. there's a chance they might bend the rules and allow you to upload the full raw 24.5 hour video. now, there's also a high likelihood they won't. but! it's worth a shot, in my opinion

[@jobrown8146]

It might depend on whether they believe flat or globe!!!

[@strider_hiryu850]

@@jobrown8146 i'm pretty sure they're globers

[@SuperAwesomestness]

Does Patreon have upload limits?

[@strider_hiryu850]

@@SuperAwesomestness oh i don't know. maybe? but Dave would never relegate this to Patreon only

[@musicbruv]

People don't think it is a globe, it is a globe.

[@scott_meyer]

More like certain, to the point I'd bet my net worth on it.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@scott_meyer I wouldn't. The returns would be worthless!

[@theoffensivenameelite7418]

First thing that comes to mind (quote from the movie “blazing saddles”) “Oh baby you are so talented….. and they are so dumb!!!!!!” Nuff said 😂

[@MauiWayfinder]

"You've got to remember that these are just simple flerfs. These are persons on the land. The common clay of the new Internet. You know... morons."

[@theoffensivenameelite7418]

🤣🤣

[@davidg4288]

"Somebody help that poor man!"

[@The8BitGuy]

The bigger irony to me is that many of them were invited to go for themselves, but conveniently declined.

[@billbill6094]

Even with all the planning this trip took you can never predict every terrible argument a flat earther will make, and make no matter how apparent the contradiction in these arguments are. You know how Richard Feynman described the creativity of a scientist as "creativity in a straightjacket", because a scientist needs to come up with explanations that have never been heard of before yet is consistent with everything we already know about reality? A flerfs creativity for denying indisputable facts is great, and it's hard to contend with because unlike that of a scientist it is unbound from reality. In other words, flat earthers desperately need a straightjacket.

[@aev6075]

People who don't understand how vaporized breath works are claiming that the world be flat.

[@danielwolf958]

Last week I was skiing in the alp at approx -10 °C --> no visible breath at all!

[@irrelevant_noob]

it was clearly a dream... ( /s )

[@interwebslinger]

The undead have entered the comment section! 😅

[@stephenmonaghan6030]

Excellent video, Dave. Flerfs do like to take "facts" in isolation to disprove the viewpoint with which they disagree (are we calling it an antipodal viewpoint yet?) yet can't seem to manage to get two "facts" to align to prove their own viewpoint.

[@ace00007]

Austin being dishonest? Say it ain't so.

[@DaniZeros]

What a lot of people don't get is that Antarctica is a desert. Of course it's dry! All that ice you see is frozen solid. The water is trapped at below-freezing temperatures and humidity depends on the water staying liquid, which at that temperatures is very not probable. We are conditioned to think of ice like it is just water and it will drive up humidity, which is true at the temperatures most of us are used to (barely below freezing out in an urban environment, which will be far more wet), but in the case of Antarctica, the ice remains solid. So, it's very dry. Trying to imagine the ice of Antarctica as just "water" would be the same as saying that the Sahara desert is covered in lava. Well, yes. Very cold lava.

[@DaniZeros]

In fact, Antarctica is the most dry desert on earth. I find that very amusing because it's totally counterintuitive, which says a lot about our faulty intuition.