Flatzoid tried to debunk me ... then perfectly proves my point!

[@DaveMcKeegan]

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[@TommyCrosby]

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[@mrelosepoe4078]

Perfect ad transition well done

[@brownbrownie8745]

Oh boy 🤦 Another video! You’re really bringing in the cash now! Hustle anyway possible I’m not even going to hate on your 💰 💴.. Flat Earth really triggers you 😂 I wonder why you so vested in wanting to teach “Flerfs”. We hear your arguments and watch your videos…. We laugh at guys like you

[@Iserate]

​@Brown Brownie the rest of the world laughing at you.

[@elingeniero9117]

Orient refers to the East because early Christian faced that direction for prayers.

[@iggi3985]

Is it just me, or isn’t it scary that a fully grown man is struggling to comprehend a concept that 10 year olds can grasp?!

[@unclej3910]

It’s not just you. If the adult Flat Earth believers are so mentally challenged as to believe the earth is flat, I feel sorry for them.

[@ovelhoranzinza4021]

He hasn't read The Little Prince yet.

[@Spyciality]

This is almost as dumb as this one time a girl asked “how come the planets don’t fall on us?” 💀

[@antonioalexandercastro3520]

The fact that the ancients, who first believed that the earth is flat, figured out using simple math that the earth is not flat without the use of satellites, computers, spaceships or cameras is astounding and that a grown man still insists on the opposite is really incredible.

[@Music_Never_Stops]

@@Spyciality Which basicly is a good question to start with. If only people gave her the right answer...

[@cassius7854]

No no, he's right, "the land down under" proves Australia is down, just like how "the big apple" proves America is actually just a very large tree

[@apolloskyfacer5842]

Isn't the 'Big Apple' New York City ?

[@Neelo5000]

Just like how "Sunshine State" proves Florida doesn't experience night time.

[@iklink]

​@@apolloskyfacer5842can't tell if that's sarcasm or retardizm

[@Thekingmaker]

😂

[@Thekingmaker]

​@@apolloskyfacer5842yes, which is why he is saying that the rest of America would be a tree.

[@ewanr111]

Flatzoid: "What a way to state the obvious, genius" *Proceeds to get the obvious thing completely wrong*

[@jtyfghfgdcfhdf]

Bro flat earthers have to be 45 iq or under to be considered an actual flat earther

[@OzoneGrif]

"Common sense is not that common."

[@lorditsprobingtime6668]

These are what we can expect from, and why he's this years probable winner of the Dunning Kruger award. I watched some of, if not all of that from Failzoid and that was an amazing display of the multitude of things he's just got no idea or understanding of whatsoever. There's just no saving someone that dumb.

[@b0b5m1th]

They don't call him failzoid without reason.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@b0b5m1th Failzoid. Fartzoid. Fraudzoid. Flatzilla. Many names. One brain. Well, not even one brain.

[@DownhillAllTheWay]

How can anybody get confused over "UP" and "DOWN"? Up is towards the sky, and Down is towards the elephants and the turtle.

[@therealzilch]

Elephants? How silly can you get. It's turtles all the way down.

[@jimstanley_49]

And if you magically transport yourself from one place to another, you don't have to worry about relative motion. I's all going the same direction -- _around_ .

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

🤭🤭🤭

[@tabascoraremaster1]

With a little luck you see an elephant lifting up a leg so that the Sun can follow it's path undisturbed.

[@DanielLCarrier]

@@therealzilch It's the world, then the elephants, then the infinite stack of turtles.

[@tomwedge308]

Flatzoid probably had the same issues at school, thinking he was top of the class when in reality he was at the bottom

[@neochaft1587]

This is mean, but I laughed lol

[@SuperPickle15]

nah, he missed orientation and never found his classes.

[@stolearovigor281]

Dude have you seen yourself in the mirror?

[@valzytine]

@@stolearovigor281 Have you seen a lunar eclipse?

[@stolearovigor281]

@@valzytine have you seen a selenelion eclipse?

[@bertholdb9037]

I am amazed by the fact that people can be confused by the fact that you can just...turn a photo.

[@timolynch149]

That is not currently taught in the degree courses at FLERF U

[@timolynch149]

@@allsouls5997 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@allsouls5997]

@@timolynch149 Yes the spinning ball is a clown show and the pizza is to throw you off and into the snow..But its ok. This is how peoples pride is exposed. This is so no one can boast.

[@timolynch149]

@@allsouls5997 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@allsouls5997]

@@timolynch149 McDonalds ?

[@ThatEEguy2818]

It's astounding that this has to be explained. It's even more astounding that once explained, people will still argue that this completely obvious concept is false.

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

It really is incredibly concerning, and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.

[@devlin9871]

That’s just it. Adults are stupid and it’s difficult to teach them. These people were allowed to be ignorant as children or taught in a way that twisted their or limited their brains so they don’t know how to use them and think logically. Our only hope is to change the system and teach the next generation better.

[@betaorionis2164]

@@devlin9871 I'm sure these individuals understood the things correctly when they were kids. It's the bad influence of internet trolls and scammers, the sense of feeling special for "knowing a hidden secret" and their sheer mental laziness which has converted them into flatearthers.

[@blowc1612]

​@@devlin9871 no that's false. Adults learn new things all the time, what do you think college is?! Adult school?! Job training?! Flerfs are just morons, who instead of admitting they're dumb and apply themselves harder, they rather find a community that pat themselves in the back and smugly act like they're the smartest people on the planet that they "researched and figured out" that they been "lied" to about living in a spherical object in space.

[@coryv5679]

To me it's the same as religion.

[@johngrace1312]

At this point, I’m not here for the flat earth debunking, I’m here because this dude is actually a fairly decent teacher, and I find myself learning quite a bit from him about space and concepts relating to it. Despite his primary focus being on photography, what a legend

[@stolearovigor281]

What did he teach you?

[@whelperw]

​@@stolearovigor281 For me, that is the axi of Earth's rotation been tilted to it orbit around Sun. I played too much KSP to not having idea about that. Kerbin rotating absolutely perpendicular to it orbit created the imagery that Earth is doing the same thing.

[@stolearovigor281]

@@whelperw what is the tilt angle?

[@TheSteve1175]

Definitely 👍

[@SonofSethoitae]

​@@stolearovigor281At the present time, the Earth's axial tilt is 23.5 degrees

[@johnwellbelove148]

He must have been a nightmare at school. His teacher explains a concept to all of the class, and all of them seem to understand... then Flatzoid raises his hand and the teacher thinks "Oh no, not again..."

[@sendintheclowns7305]

The only thing Flatzoid knows about any frames is how to delete them.

[@craftinghome]

Yeah...11 of them if I remember correctly....

[@shaneeslick]

Need to ask Flatzoid if you turn a camera upside down & take a photo of the Horizon... Is the Sky the Top? or is the Sky the Bottom because the the camera was rotated?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Fraudzoid's IQ goes to minus eleven: 11 frames deleted.

[@CD_Character]

@@shaneeslick That sounds like a job for Mikey Smith !

[@csjrogerson2377]

He knows how to put pictures in them but he gets confused as to which way to hang them. Upright, upside down or downside up or neither. He puts them on the floor. Easier

[@creeperboom9813]

The reason you can't argue with a flat earther is because the ones you could argue with realized they were wrong and stopped being flat earthers *Warning:* Clown in the replies (Vinny Consolini)

[@blowc1612]

You can't argue with complete stupidity. That's why I point and laugh at them. When I reply to them it's not because I'm arguing to them it's because for other to see how dumb flerfs are. Flerfs really think people watch the flat earth debates for a "debate" they don't understand the debates is just entertainment to see how dumb a flerf can get, it's parading their stupidity and it's hilarious.

[@philw6056]

It's like arguing with a pidgeon. You CAN do it, but only if you don't expect an honest, logical and on-topic answer.

[@DavidRTribble]

Which means that flat-Earthers are simply too stupid or stubborn to understand logic and physics. Otherwise, they'd understand and not be flat-Earthers.

[@assininecomment1630]

Exactly! @@philw6056 Pigeons are renowned_ for muddling up _altitude_ with _elevation_ . It doesn't faze them though. Pigeons can and do still argue using words they don't know, without using information we all know, and with their own ideas that none of them _really_ know. It's because pigeons can Do Something* Fearlessly. (* something or other)

[@Calango741]

...or they continue to push the "flat earth" idea to make money and/or to have some form of "fame" by keeping the true believers believing...

[@conscientiousdefector]

If I ever feel stupid, all I have to do is realize that there are people out there who believe that the world is flat. Then I don’t feel so bad.

[@Globehoax]

They say it’s not a belief

[@stolearovigor281]

When you feel too smart try to come up and defend your globe religion with an actual fact. Observable, repeatable and measurable. Just one 😆

[@1995TheDude]

Sounds like a song from the Sound of Music :P

[@ShadowRulah]

​@@stolearovigor281Flat Earth is a Disney Globalist scam

[@capitalcorner443]

​@@stolearovigor281there's one in that last comment you pretended not to see because it gave you an argument that you couldn't disproove

[@cjspice6310]

I am so thankful for Flat Earthers (bear with me). I've learned more science and what's actually happening in our universe than I ever did at school thanks to Dave the other folks explaining things in simple english. Top work sir. 😁

[@nout4812]

I don't actually learn anything new by listening to these to and fro's. Not about physics anyway. I do learn a lot about psychology and the futility of trying to change the mind of someone who's perfectly sure of themselves.

[@blowc1612]

Good for you, I'm thankful they provided countless of hours of entertainment to laugh at the complete morons of the internet.

[@Calango741]

​@@nout4812 Often, how "perfectly sure" someone is of their point of view is inversely proportional to how right they are.

[@marcosmith6613]

Same, especially when they cherrypick facts and this highlights their own deception.

[@AnotherViewer]

It is Cunningham's Law which states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." Flat earthers keep posting wrong answers, then people come along and give good correct answers.

[@adventurevisuals]

I can't believe we're living in a world where people are discussing what up and down are. That's nuts.

[@synthetic240]

Flat earthers struggle with understanding 3 spatial dimensions.

[@coryv5679]

I mean people have been discussing a magic space wizard for thousands of years. Yet, here we are.

[@timboatfield]

Thats the easy stuff. Try asking them what a woman is.

[@sirweebs2914]

​@@coryv5679 excuse me? Its actually space wizards, plural.

[@bobinthewest8559]

What are you talking about? Nuts are an edible part of certain plants…. That’s NOTHING like a discussion 😵‍💫🤭😉

[@PhattyBolger]

I love that these people do several hour long livestreams and take years out of their lives trying to figure out basic things that most children understand.

[@637man3]

"... take years out of their lives trying to figure out basic things that most children understand." Then failing to figure it out and making a video to prove it.

[@mobbkopf]

Though it’s a bit hard to tell sometimes how many of them are just shills and cons only in it for the money, and how many are actually this stupid.

[@klof4276]

IF THE EARTH IS ROUND WHY ARE SHIPS NOT CURVED TO GO FASTER???? WHY ARE PLANES AND CARS FLAT AND NKT CURVED???????

[@fastone371]

@@klof4276 Tell us you are an idiot without telling us, you mastered that one!!!! Do you have no concept on how big earth is?? Do you think earth is the size of a basketball? We can tell from your comment that there is not much you understand.

[@Void_Inc-0x]

​@@klof4276unless it's so massive it can't move then I don't think a curve is needed

[@seeddub3536]

I used to snorkel at Shark's Cove in Hawaii a lot, and there was a giant arch about 20 feet down where I would invert my body as I entered, so that the ceiling of the arch became "down". Thanks to the weightlessness in water the mind easily viewed it as "down", with pockets of trapped scuba diver air looking like little pools of mercury. Then at the other end of the arch, I'd move "down" over the edge, which then turned into "up" as I moved back to the surface. Really fun mind trick!

[@SkullpunkArt]

Nice!

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

Look for a shelf of snow and bring some 🧨 and you can experience the same disorientation. For a warm up you can spin and run in a straight line.

[@watchmen-nehemiah4v20]

One wake up for how you've been conditioned / programmed actually is to measure temperature of direct moon light. You can design retests to account for possible errors. You were taught the moon is a reflector ? Hmmm. You can also look into with diligence how light spectrum of moon that is *not a reflector* ... Or stay inside your current paradigm. The moon is its own light. Jesus is Reality.

[@cuz9892]

that sounds fun i want to do that

[@surabaya5927]

Although not quite as perfect as when scuba diving, I had the same experience when snorkelling off a massive drop-off in the Banda Sea in Indonesia. After a while, there was only blue. Nothing else. Quite amazing

[@klaatoris]

When I have tried to discuss with flat earthers, it has usually ended with me thinking: "If I have to explain THIS, there is probably no point in continuing."

[@bertholdb9037]

And there isn't. As a teacher, i can tell you that you cannot teach people who don't have at least a slight interest in being taught. Learning is something that the student has to do. You can't "learn" someone else. You can create situations and surroundings which makes it easier for them to learn stuff. But the student is the person who has to do the learning. And if they are not interested in doing so, there is nothing you can do about it.

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@bertholdb9037 Easier to just shut your ears and ridicule the messenger.

[@bobafett5926]

@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting Not really. When you have to explain very simple principles to a moron just to start actually discussing how stupid the concept of a flat earth is, it's not worth the time. Let me ask you a simple question that any flat earther should be able to answer. Why is it that a person in South America, South Africa and Australia can all look 'south' and see the same stars? This is not possible using the flat earth model. go ahead. ill wait.

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@bobafett5926 Boba Fett, nice username. I can see that you are into fiction.

[@bobafett5926]

@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting Can't answer the question I see. Stupid or coward?

[@TheHellis]

The "point of reference" is actually something alot of people has trouble with. When you have a group of skydivers in free fall then sometimes you can get in to an argument (after the skydive), who was drifting. One or more people might not fall straight down and the other has too keep up with this drift. But who was drifting when you have no point of reference? I remember being a videographer to a group and when they came down everyone was pointing at one guy drifting, but when we looked at the video we could see that I was positioned straight above this guy who was falling straight down and all the other was drifting away from us. It was so hilarious to see their faces when they realized they where the ones drifting.

[@clivedavis6859]

Ditto. I have sometimes had to chase a sliding base in a full track and they did not even realize they were sliding.

[@OzoneGrif]

Ahah, to be honest, it's super difficult to know when you are drifting. Don't you have tools to see the drift during a fall?

[@TheHellis]

@@OzoneGrif well you could have a GPS but it wouldn't be useful anyways. Although it can be good to know who need to work on their body position after the skydive, but during the dive it's not really useful information

[@blowc1612]

You have point of reference, point of reference is subject to who is viewing. There's always a point of reference in our reality.

[@aethertoast4320]

​@@blowc1612 context clues into the fact that they didn't have a singular shared point of reference was what he meant.

[@MrOttopants]

Flatzoid recently did a "debate" in which he put the title "dr" in front of his name. I'm sure he thinks it's funny and everything, but he's done nothing to even get close to earning the right to be referred to as "dr." When I did science shows and taught in a planetarium, some people from the audience would sometimes try to call me "professor" or "doctor" or "scientist" or something, and I'd immediately correct them and tell them that I'm just someone who enjoys learning and teaching. I just never wanted to give the impression that I was doing anything like what scientists do in the field.

[@vinnyconsolini488]

He was mocking Professor Dave

[@0LoneTech]

@@vinnyconsolini488 So his motivation for fraud was pettiness? Great role model there.

[@CD_Character]

It's an abbreviation for "Derrp".

[@timolynch149]

He has a degree in Frame Removing from the Flat Earth Institute of Sciencering and a Doctorate in Advanced Flerfing from Uber Bigly Patriot Freedom Liberty University School College, The Shed, Oklahoma.

[@MrOttopants]

@@vinnyconsolini488 Then he should have used "professor". You don't have to earn a doctorate to be a professor. Professor is a job title, not an earned degree.

[@gwilliam2731]

I love how he was trying to dunk on you by imitating your setup but just looked like a complete psychopath the entire time. It felt like a scene from the silence of the lambs.

[@askthepizzaguy]

It puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again. I got your dog, mister!

[@andyh3065]

Never quite sure if I should just laugh at or pity an adult struggling to understand stuff a primary schooler understands.

[@ivanivonovich9863]

Problem is that they never do understand, and they think they have the truth. Worse yet is that they want their fantasy taught as fact in schools! I've known actual teachers who believe the earth is flat... Scarry it is, no?

[@Blueshirt38]

I'm just glad it isn't a fellow American for once.

[@truthsmiles]

Interestingly Mount Everest’s peak isn’t actually the farthest point from the center of the Earth. Due to the equatorial bulge, that honor instead belongs to Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador. In fact, there are 9 peaks “higher” than Mount Everest when measured this way :)

[@martinconnelly1473]

It's interesting that he never went into the other aspect of this, the lowest point on Earth. That would be hard to reconcile with his concept of up and down 🤔

[@giin97]

Huh. Neat.

[@dustinbrueggemann1875]

@@martinconnelly1473 A tangent plane from Death Valley or the Mariana Trench would make for some very interesting slices of above and below indeed.

[@JBofBrisbane]

@@dustinbrueggemann1875 try the Dead Sea.

[@Broxin7]

Did you watch Thoughty2?

[@jonniemexico]

Watching flatzoid show how clueless he really is on FTFE's debate earlier this week was pure gold.

[@freefreepalestine360]

Dear CGI blue marble lovers. Keep in mind that astronomers cut the blue marble in half in order to map the stars😍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaTFZpZug5qgY7s

[@alt1579]

Can't find it on FTFE's youtube channel, is there another place I can find it?

[@Katarn84]

@@alt1579 it’s on his “live” tag in his channel. It’s two and a half hours (I think) of Flatzoid showing that, once you get to the deepest of the dumb, you can always dig a little bit more.

[@leonxpc1]

​@@alt1579 try to look in the live tab. Sometimes it's there for some reason.

[@doom-child]

@@freefreepalestine360 That is hilarious. He doesn't think that you can measure angles of elevation on a sphere. Why anybody would consider that proof of anything other than a deficiency in education is a complete mystery.

[@esmeralda5511]

At this point flatzoid is just willfully misunderstanding things to keep up his lies. I do not believe that a grown up man could fail so badly at understanding basic concepts.

[@eartheclipse8]

You give him too much credit. There are DEFINITELY real people who are actually this dumb, sadly.

[@MM-jq4pb]

'He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in' (Isaiah 40:22). Bottom line is one either believes the Creator...or men who reject Him.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

​@@MM-jq4pb Using a 2000 year old bronze age fairy tale book against all of modern, verifiable science. You're not the brightest bulb in the box.

[@julianh9347]

His axis tilt "argument" is a perfect example of two dimensional thinking. He's referring to a 90° angle and automatically referencing it to up and down. Tell you what Failzoid: draw a 90° angle on a piece of paper and put it on your table, now tell me where up or down is.

[@Misteribel]

That assumes he knows how to draw a 90° angle lol. You’re overestimating him 😂

[@Bogdan_Vader]

Damn I thought exactly the same thing

[@ElementofKindness]

I've been saying this for years. The root of every flerfs misunderstanding is the assumption of the conceptual perspective of "up" and "down" for what it really is, "away from" and "towards" a gravitational center. They believe "up and down" to be a singular, parallel direction. Every single flerf's model collapses the moment the basic fact of gravitational center is no longer ignored.

[@joeschmo3844]

If you really want to melt their minds, tell them that the earth is, in fact, above the sun since the sun is at the center of the gravity well influencing the earth.

[@bodan1196]

I wonder if they also have a problem with left and right. (not the political...)

[@jjevans1693]

Newtonion Gravity was disproven in 2019. Keep hiding behind the backs of THEY say so. You don't know anything without being told.

[@joeschmo3844]

@@jjevans1693 actually, Newtonian gravity was technically disproven by Einstein in the early 20th century, but the difference only becomes significant on the astrophysics scale. I’d be interested to see your citation, but it currently remains that gravity, in general, is an established scientific fact. (Edited because I somehow addressed the reply to the wrong person)

[@ElementofKindness]

@@jjevans1693 You mean ignored, not disproven.

[@stiimuli]

Really like your videos. Your civil, personable and rational presentation is very refreshing in a space rife with childish name-calling and schoolyard trash-talking.

[@ArtM1]

Word! I couldn't agree more.

[@chameleon47]

I have praised him for this same thing more than a few times.

[@gorillainthemist934]

I agree 👍

[@steviewonder9209]

Flatzoid showing timelapse pics of a rotating Earth to prove his point of Earth being flat? I just... I just can't even begin...

[@epichouse534]

Often it isn't that they "don't understand", it is that they don't want to understand. If Flatzoid wasn't in such a grip of a cult mindset, I'm sure he would be able to grasp the concept quite easily. However, he is in a flat Earth cult, his purpose is to defend that cult he is in (as the cult is his identity) and his brain clearly struggles to think through anything which contradicts his identity, as it is jarring, so it makes-pretend as some kind of coping mechanism to make actual reality go away. Either that, or he is an outright grifter. If he isn't a grifter and actually has some ounce of integrity, he would acknowledge that he might be wrong (he is wrong!) and start to question what he is actually doing. But alas, the cult grip is obviously too strong and he really doesn't care what the truth is. His entire world would collapse if he ever recognised how foolish he has been. The thing is though that if he ever did give his head a wobble and found the strength to unravel himself from the cult, people would not be laughing at him for being conned and getting things wrong. They'd support him for breaking free. However, by putting out videos like the one shown here, people will definitely keep laughing at the foolishness. The choice is his, should he ever be able to park the ego for long enough to self-reflect.

[@scottphilips8514]

I think he’s fake and knows the earth is round

[@epichouse534]

@@scottphilips8514 It wouldn't surprise me if he was. The choice is often either A) Delusional and brainwashed into a cult, or B) Grifter in it for easy money and boosting their ego by having followers crackers enough to sit and listen to his twaddle for four hours. Both options are not good. It's the people who have fallen into depression and despair and fear in their lives, who get sucked into these things I feel the most sorry for. And their families. Grifters who exploit them make me sick.

[@chameleon47]

I am reasonably certain he is just stupid. Either that or a really good actor- because in this video, he appears to have a serious I.Q. deficit.

[@offchan]

this video explains this behaviour very well kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKnUhYKjaLmtqbs

[@timboatfield]

You're right. It's also likely an addiction too. Lies lead to lies. Chasing the dragon.

[@kenmatthews8426]

I live in Australia and it’s always hard to stop things floating away up into the sky!

[@surabaya5927]

You mean 'down into the sky', right. My advice: whatever you do - DON'T LET GO!!! 😆😆

[@terrypage358]

Must also be difficult walking around on your head all day.

[@mackerel1875]

​@@terrypage358I'm Australian. We're all just CGI.

[@terrypage358]

@@mackerel1875 that's Nasa for you. 😜

[@DD-gi6kx]

its both baffling and saddening that any of this needs to be explained

[@andrejg4136]

Some people don't want to get it, so they will deny deny deny until they can't.

[@KeithMilner]

@@andrejg4136 And then they will do the "flerf reset" and erase all knowledge of debunks and corrections of their straw-man arguments from their mind and start parroting the same old crap again.

[@Music_Never_Stops]

I'm not a very smart person: but even i find that out for myself.

[@normalusername5223]

4:50 There's an Australian beer commercial from the 90s which flips the globe and the voice actor says: "And I reckon Down Under. Is On Top!"

[@obsessedwithguitars3157]

Every time I go into an Outback Steakhouse and see the upside down map, I have to think that it blows a flat Earther's mind.

[@ericb3157]

reminds me of the "Callahan's place" books by Spider Robinson, the tavern had a backwards clock. (the numbers reversed, like a mirror) they called it the Counterclock...

[@vinnyconsolini488]

Why?

[@CD_Character]

@@vinnyconsolini488 I'd suggest that if you couldn't tell what time it was displaying then you'd had enough to drink.

[@vinnyconsolini488]

@@CD_Character what?? Am I missing comments?

[@CD_Character]

@@vinnyconsolini488 Oops. I was suggesting why a bar (and I've seen one in a bar) would put such a clock on the wall. And I didn't mean "you" specifically.

[@hatlessjet7802]

Hi Dave, when I was young I knew the earth is a sphere and then I got so indoctrinated in the flat earth conspiracy theory and I believed it. Then I got older and proved myself wrong and found out earth is a sphere again. I want to go to space to see the view and see the truth for myself. This videos helps me and everyone else. Thank you 😊 ❤

[@acadian101]

what was that one thing that made you know it was a globe for certainty? how did you prove it? just curious

[@hatlessjet7802]

@@acadian101 for your first question, what I knew was that we were told that we went to space and we had experiments to prove it. What made me think it was flat was because I was gullible and just kept watching flat earth videos. For your second question, how did I prove it, well technically speaking I started watching more flat earth videos and did my research and found out some flat earth videos weren’t telling the truth. What made me know it was a globe again? It was experiments done and explanations made by scientists and other smart people

[@acadian101]

@@hatlessjet7802 that is the craziest thing i've heard ,, how do you know the flat earth stuff you watch was genuine , there is tons of crap about flat earth that is made to seem like we dont know what we are talking about,,,so you NEVER actually proved you are on a globe , you are just taking someones word for it.instead of proving flat eart ,,, go out and try to PROVE the globe without using NASA , because whatever you come back with will be 99% cgi and nasa admits that ,,, look into the blue marble man,, every image youve ever seen of earth is CGI ,,, imagine that, you think we travel at almost 500000 mph for millions of years and polaris NEVER moves at night ,,,night after night m year after year ,,how could that be if we are traveling at incredible speeds?

[@hatlessjet7802]

@@acadian101 ok so first off there is no evidence of the videos being chi and secondly there are plenty of experiments and scientific explanations that prove we live on a globe

[@hatlessjet7802]

@@acadian101 the reason why I’m not sold on this is because gps comes from satellites

[@DavidRTribble]

Start with the idea that _every particle is gravitationally attracted to every other particle,_ and go from there. You end up with spheres of matter (with a mass above a certain size), and relative up and down directions, depending on the gravity field _(frame of reference)_ you're in. That field in turn depends on the amount of matter (particles) all around you, with every one of them pulling on you.

[@bertholdb9037]

Yeah, it is surprising how well modern physics (If you count 17th century as modern) explains nearly all of the stuff we observe with very few basic principles to start off. It is similarly surprising how flat earth doesn't explain anything, at all, and needs constantly shifting models that always explain exactly one thing, but completely fail to explain other stuff.

[@StevesDataStore]

Nice explaination, thanks

[@warrickdawes7900]

Flerf's do not believe in the "just-a-theory" of gravity.

[@MM-jq4pb]

Like persons pondering the swirling of the water in their sinks and bathtubs-swirling that reverses direction when we cross the equator.

[@corwinchristensen260]

The ISS actually does have an "up" and "down" although they are usually referred to as zenith and nadir. The ISS normally keeps the nadir side facing the Earth while the zenith side faces away from the Earth (LHLV). However, without gravity as a constant reminder of direction, the orientation to perform a task is usually done as whatever is most convenient at the time and may change as the task proceeds.

[@irrelevant_noob]

IMO you have that backwards... Zenith and nadir are concepts about orientation on (or near) a planet, so the ISS just names the side that _happens_ to be "towards zenith" as that, not because that was the side's "name" but because it points that way.

[@eta2321]

unrelated but i just noticed that those are both terraria weapons lol

[@Void_Inc-0x]

​@@eta2321where do you find nadir?

[@eta2321]

@@Void_Inc-0x it’s in the calamity mod

[@whereswa11y]

Well said Dave. Flatzoid is trying hard to not get it.

[@duncanmcneill7088]

...because if he DID get it then his religious position would become untenable.

[@billbill6094]

"What a way to state the obvious, genius" said the man who's entire framework of reality revolves around refusing to understand the obvious, just as the round Earth revolves around the Sun.

[@JustAMessanger-o7g]

Flerfs have issues with up and down. I always get a chuckle when they say rivers can’t flow up the side of the globe because of gravity.

[@manuell3505]

I believe some of them totally lack the ability to visualize a 3-dimensional object, and mistakenly reject anything that uses it. . They should actually try this test where you have to count the stacked cubes in a picture while assuming they exist if they are out of sight. I think all flat earthers that really believe it have massive problems with this.

[@budman4224]

Wouldn't that be contradicting themselves since they don't believe gravity is real?

[@JustAMessanger-o7g]

@@budman4224 Everything a FEr says is contradictory. 😂 In the way he presented it no. He is trying to show how the globe cannot work in his eyes. Typical FEr always trying to disprove the globe rather than prove FE. Anyway he rivers flowing north over the equator, the Nile was his example, is impossible because gravity would prevent the water from flowing “up over the curve of the globe”, even tho the Nile starts it flow north of the equator. 🤷🏻‍♂️ So he was saying that gravity works north to south, therefore the Nile would not be able to flow in the direction that it does. So he seems to think the north is up and south is down. Whereas everyone who lives in reality knows that above our heads is up and below our feet is down.

[@ReinoGoo]

Level is not the curve of the ground. It is the curve of the physics.

[@jjevans1693]

They don't say that they believe that. They're trying to get ball lovers to actually understand what they're supposed to believe. If we live on a spinning, wobbling, tilted space ball

[@AndrewLakeUK]

The flat earthers must admire the absolute monster of a CGI team that could produce the watch effect at 9:04, in real-time too. Look at it, the way it moves after he does, and it has inertia. It would be cheaper and easier to fly someone into space.

[@mcchop1169]

It's not only up and down he doesn't understand. He also struggles with Clockwise and Anti Clockwise. (As demonstrated in his "debate" with Catz).

[@martinconnelly1473]

That's another convention, like North is at the top of maps. If you got into contact with an alien race far away and you could only converse in words, how do you explain clockwise and anticlockwise. You can't use words like right or left as they are also conventions. It would be like trying to have a logical conversation with a flerf, just about impossible.

[@johnathon007]

@@martinconnelly1473 An intelligent alien species would be able to create a translated word for the idea at least though.

[@martinconnelly1473]

@@johnathon007 The point is you may be able to explain the concept of clockwise and anticlockwise, but you could not explain which rotation is clockwise because you have to use other words like left and right. You then have the problem of explaining which side is left and so on.

[@johnathon007]

@@martinconnelly1473 So you assume the alien wouldn't have a similar concept to equate with?

[@martinconnelly1473]

@@johnathon007 Not at all. The issue is how do you explain which rotational direction you mean by clockwise? Explain clockwise to me without using left and right since they are not definable without reference to other relative concepts. We know what clockwise is because we have a convention for the direction clock hands rotate around the clock face. Imagine an electric motor with the shaft sticking out at both ends. At one end it looks like it is going clockwise, viewed from the other it is going counter-clockwise. So two different people could describe the same thing in two different ways.

[@Eilt]

When I flew to New Zealand, the moon in the Netherlands was like a C in the sky - on the way it turned to a kind of U. In reality, of course, I turned and the moon remained stable

[@mikeguilmette776]

I'm always amused by how much meaning and stock some people will put into innocuous phrases, such as "Land Down Under."

[@Otto910]

I mean if you don't have any real arguments you cling on to things like this...

[@dennislaffey]

If Flat Earthers want to take "Land Down Under" literally like that, shouldn't they be arguing that Australia is on the bottom-side of the disk? How else could it be "under" anything else?

[@ryanjosephdp]

@@dennislaffeybecause there arguments are fluid and are modified on the fly

[@cinderheart2720]

@@dennislaffey They aren't thinking about constructing any kind of consistent model. They're thinking about childish "gotcha" questions.

[@blakksheep736]

It's called grasping at straws.

[@ChaosPootato]

What a fucking time to be alive when you have to teach adults where the ground is

[@Globehoax]

And also teach how nasa is faking everything

[@AirForceNut]

Interesting fact with Up and Down on spacecraft/ISS. While up and down is still generally arbitrary in space, spacecraft and the ISS generally are designed with a dominate up/down direction at least within each module. This is just because it makes it easier for the people inside to process and navigate the surroundings. As in the video you showed most of the computers/panels has are to the astronaut's left and right (in the camera's reference frame). Though they will still make use of "floor/ceiling" space for less frequent stuff. A professor when I was in grad school told a story (not sure if true) that during Skylab they tried to design a section with out any concern for keeping an up/down orientation, to optimize the use of the space (I think it was the controls area for the Apollo Telescope Mount). As such panels were in all sorts of orientations, while in theory it "worked" the Astronauts apparently disliked being in that area as it was disorienting and gave them headaches. The story may be apocryphal, as a quick search didn't uncover anything to confirm my professors story. But do think it's still helpful in illustrating how the human factor can introduce a need for a dominate local up/down, especially in a designed environment (such as a spacecraft). Even if there is no "true" up/down.

[@c.augustin]

Even if apocryphal, it sounds like a lesson learned at some point that we humans have evolved in an environment with up and down directions (and a floor to stand on). It might be learned, but it might also be hard-wired (there's maybe some research using animals done about this).

[@africansinclair]

I've just learnt the Roubix Cube. To make it easier, I always have to re-orientate it after every algorithm. That's how humans work, we need direction. Which is why flat earth channels must be challenged. They prey on vulnerable people!

[@gowdsake7103]

Ahhh but he says space is fake

[@ImperrfectStranger]

Of course, having an up and down in the ISS/Skylab also makes it easier for the folks constructing them on the earth, otherwise the constructors would be treading on instrumentation on the "floor".

[@africansinclair]

@@gowdsake7103 normal flat earth rules, don't talk about flat earth, but if you must talk about flat earth, talk about the globe!

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Oh boy! Fresh video. His mimicking is definitely amusing, just as amusing as his completely inability to understand what references are. I look forward to his video debunking your debunking of him and the subsequent Part 2: Flat Boogaloo.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

The toy sheep matched his toy mind. He doesn't have a real animal or any real ideas. The irony is palpable.

[@AleaumeAnders]

It's called down under because it's roughly 12,700 km down under the feet of an euro-centric world. That's also the reason why the antipode islands are called just that. Those are even closer to where you'd show up if you could dig straight down. So it's not about the position on a map, but rather quite literally the orientation on the globe as seen from Europe.

[@0LoneTech]

It's called Australia because it's south of the equator, though. It's Latin for south land.

[@ReinoGoo]

@Lone Tech Terra Australis.

[@lilgto64]

I had a coworker who asked me every day: “What’s up?” I got it right every time by answering “A direction, relative to the observer.”

[@Alex55455]

The biggest issue for flat earthers is gravity. It’s such a thorn in their side that when they try to explain how stuff works on a flat earth their explanations and logic just falls over in a massive heap

[@kevbarnes2843]

So he uses photos of a 3d earth in one of those pictures it was shown rotating.Proving a globe earth this guy is truly special

[@misterocain]

11:37 "Leave your thoughts down below ...." That's going to confuse Flatzoid even more.

[@giin97]

Yeah, they're not used to thoughts.

[@VestigialHead]

I have noticed that many flerfers seem to struggle with concepts such as "frame of reference" or "relative to". Without these concepts firmly understood a lot of what people try to teach them would seem wrong or meaningless.

[@MM-jq4pb]

'He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in' (Isaiah 40:22). Bottom line is one either believes the Creator...or men who reject Him.

[@MrFlarespeed]

​@@MM-jq4pb funny, you even have the name of the person who wrote what you're quoting, and yet you still somehow believe it came directly from the mouth of god.

[@Eased_up]

The clip from the ISS made me wonder if flat earthers ever tried to adress anything observed in those video's. Like for instance the weightlessness... or am I going to be dissapointed and their answer is: "it's fake".

[@backalleycqc4790]

Flat Earther: "Your question is fake."

[@jimsmith7212]

ISS astronauts hang on wires in front of green screens inside and EVAs outside are in NASA's pool.

[@Alblaka]

Probably something about realtive density and how very high up above the disk, density is so low that you become weighless, because that's definitely how density works.

[@mcchop1169]

I have heard them say that it is all filmed in a Vomit Comet. I am yet to find out how they can film an hour long sequence in the VC

[@cryptojihadi265]

Exactly, "all CGI", "everything is a movie", BS

[@jquest99]

Wow! All the photos he showed where north is at the top has north at the top! Incredible! Also, it turns out that all M&M's are green, strictly based the collection of green M&Ms that I selected!

[@robnunya572]

Funny, mine are all brown with Ws on them!

[@samueltronbot]

I am always amazed people can consume FE arguments without losing it. I applaud anyone who can. It reminds me so much of listening to my 3yo reasoning through some goofy imaginary scenario. With adults I take it as a challenge to find some way understand how they are just so confused. What do they do during the day. I sometimes struggle at work but I can’t imagine how these people get to work.

[@01kaskasero]

RIght? I just wanted to chuck my monitor everytime Flatzoid came on screen

[@blowc1612]

They have basic work mainly physical labor, but a lot of them are unemployed and that's why they gotta grift. You won't find a single flerf working a job that demands critical thinking, if they say they do, they're lying. Gotta lie to flerf.

[@timboatfield]

It's likely the attention people like you give them, fills a need and is motivation to act like they've never actually used their brain.

[@blowc1612]

@@timboatfield they're just really dumb

[@01kaskasero]

@@timboatfield wait so you’re saying it’s our fault that the people believe in stupid stuff?

[@vashcrimson4395]

flat earthers are a good example of how a 2d person might think.

[@someperson9]

I love that he is using a globe as a reference for "up" and "down"

[@Alessandro-B]

It's been said many times, but flerfers really have trouble understanding 3 dimensions. Flatzoid has just showed it to be true.

[@duncanmcneill7088]

To be fair, Flatzoid has trouble understanding 2 dimensions.

[@MSoave]

I can't believe that this actually needs to be explained to some people.

[@comet.x]

Flatzoid would have a heart attack seeing any space sim game footage. Especially dogfights or stations in games like elite

[@soapa4279]

It’s amazing that there are flat earthers all around the globe.

[@samael4550]

Wanna know what’s funny, I learned SO MUCH about the _basics_ of astrophysics through a simple game, Kerbal Space Program. It’s obviously not a 1:1 representation of the real world, but concepts like prograde, retrograde, normal, anti- normal, radial, and anti-radial were drilled into my mind. And all of those ‘nodes’ change position when you change your ‘target’, whether it be a planet/celestial body, or another ship. There is no singular point of reference in space, everything is relative. I understood this when I was 13 years old messing around with little green dudes in a rocket video game, the fact that grown adults can’t (or rather refuse) to figure it out is beyond me.

[@kpag3030]

The funniest thing to me about their idea of up and down is based on their view of a map, but when you are actually standing on the earth and think of up, you look directly into the sky so “up” is looking toward space and down is looking at the ground no matter where on the globe you are. I never understood how they confuse north and south for up and down? And in space there is no up or down. It’s all relative to your perspective and position

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

It's because of the north=up bias from living in the northern hemisphere and always seeing maps oriented with north being up.

[@bertholdb9037]

I think you are misunderstanding their argument (The argument is still shit, though). They start at the assumption that there is an absolute "up" and "down" direction. Following from that, they try to show that a globe would be absurd. And that does indeed logically follow. If there were an absolute "up" and "down", with a force that generally pulls stuff "down" (or something like that), then we would indeed not have globes, and their arguments would make some sense. The core problem with this is not the reasoning, but the starting assumption not being connected to the real world. Some of the weird stuff they are doing is motivating that insane assumption.

[@ReinoGoo]

There is up and down in space, but there is no weight or pressure gradient in a free fall.

[@hankjones3527]

Stop referencing "Australia", it's a fake country. I should know, I live here.

[@k9trainerdotorg]

A friend of mine once spent several minutes trying to explain how the globe model falls apart because that model had lots of rivers flowing upwards. At first I was confused to what he was talking about, then I realized he thought North was up.

[@mattjackson9859]

Fun Fact: Colin Hay of Men at Work, who famously sang "I Come From a Land Down Under" - is actually from Scotland!

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Which on the famous "upside down" Australia world map ... it is!

[@GoD1014]

Every day, I wake up and give thanks that I'm not so fucking stupid that I think the earth is flat

[@yindyamarra]

Hey I’m a Aussie, and apparently we don’t exist, and we are actors , so where do I get paid?

[@paulross8175]

I have to say that while I happen to know most of the information you provide in these videos, I am drawn to them like a moth to light because you are just fascinating to listen to. It’s just so fun to watch you time and again destroy these flat earth arguments.

[@mangojulie123]

It's amazing that Flerfs cannot comprehend something as basic as a 3 dimensional frame of reference.

[@marz11345]

It’s crazy that people in the 5th century knew the earth was round yet people in 2023 fail to grasp the concept

[@petergaskin1811]

Suggestibility, poor standards of education and the world-wide google web.

[@a.k.7840]

I always thought long range naval gunfire calculation (in which they must account for the curvature of the earth at extreme ranges) is a strong argument because their lives sort of depend on being accurate.

[@Ogdesigns1]

Flat earthers will call you brainwashed after watching a 4 hour yt video… The irony…

[@cearnicus]

Maybe this is a way to get them to understand the concept of relative directions: instead of up & down, look at north & south on the AE map. Put yourself 1 m away from the north pole, looking north. Put a buddy 2m in front of you, also looking north. _Both_ you and they are looking north, but you're facing each other! North is a different direction for different people even in their own model. Oh who am I kidding, of course they'll fail to understand that too.

[@chameleon47]

HAHAHA you positioned the commenting just right so that the last sentence does not show until one clicks "Read more". Nicely done. Thank you for the laugh.

[@vinnyconsolini488]

Of course you failed to understand that applies on flat Earth🤣🤣 Because you get your flat earth information from KZbin's paid shills that purposely misrepresent opposing arguments, you don't even actually understand the real model. Why would that "debunk" the shape of the earth? You've been tricked into being disconnected from God, my brother. You can determine the shape of the Earth in any of these 3 ways: a) Read the Bible, b) Go outside and look around, or c) Do any scientific experiment to support a globe Earth (curvature, unlevel water, gravity, etc). When I say scientific experiment, that means using the scientific method - a vital process that has been thrown away in order to pass along this pseudoscience through school systems (via Neil Degrasse Tyson).

[@cearnicus]

@@vinnyconsolini488 _"Of course you failed to understand that applies on flat Earth"_ Failed to understand that _what_ applies on flat Earth? That the directions of North and South for different people can be in opposite directions? Yes _of course_ I understand that. That was my whole point. The question is whether flatearthers can understand it. _"you don't even actually understand the real model. "_ Okay, so what _is_ the real model? If it's not the AE map or something similar, then what is it?

[@vinnyconsolini488]

@@cearnicus your post was "this works on the globe and not the FE model, therefore globe. Duh." So clearly you didn't get that part lmao If you wanna see the Flat Earth map, look at the United Nations logo...

[@chameleon47]

​@@vinnyconsolini488 a) A book written by humans claiming to have been inspired by an invisible, inaudible being that only they could interact with is not a credible source. (a)(1) the bible does not state that the earth is flat, but again, this is not relevant as per (a) b) Take your own suggestion. Practice what you preach. By traveling north and south and observing the motions of the stars and planets, as well as the sun and moon, it is readily discernible that the earth is a sphere. Also this is doable by observing the changes in seasons (and relative lack thereof as one nears the equator), and several other methods. c) Again, take your own advice. Do the same experiment that Eratosthenes did to demonstrate the earth is a sphere over 2,000 years ago. There are website which compile the results of every time others have done this and submitted them, all yielding the same results. "You can determine the shape of the Earth in any of these 3 ways: a) Read the Bible, b) Go outside and look around, or c) Do any scientific experiment to support a globe Earth (curvature, unlevel water, gravity, etc). When I say scientific experiment, that means using the scientific method - a vital process that has been thrown away in order to pass along this pseudoscience through school systems (via Neil Degrasse Tyson)."

[@Grumpy_Hobbit]

A legitimate conversation in the flat earth universe... "You are upside down". "No you are upside down". "You don't get it. You are upside down". "No you are".

[@jandecoleman1]

Here is why it is impossible to argue with flat-earthers. They use "funny math" to argue their point and make their numbers work. Well, by changing the order of operations in math but by doing that, NUMBERS LIE!! Let me demonstrate (warning long post): Three people get a hotel room that costs $25 a night, well they can divide $25 evenly three ways, so each person pays $10, thus paying $30 for the room. Then the desk clerk's boss comes in and asks, "Why is this room is charged $30?" So the bellhop takes the extra $5 to the room, and now $5 can be divided three ways evenly so each person takes back $1 and gives $2 to the bellhop. This means that each person paid $9 each for the room ($10-$1=$9). Well $9×3=$27, now add in the $2 that the bellhop kept ($27+$2=$29). Where is the 30th dollar? In other words funny math.

[@AnnoyedSonic]

Flat earth is the epitome of “I don’t understand it, therefore it doesn’t exist.”

[@Sacrengard]

"I don't understand it, therefore I will make it up myself"

[@petergaskin1811]

The technical term for that is - Nuh-uh.

[@vladpadowicz5946]

When he mentioned the tilt deviation from 90° as an argument to discredit you, I actually physically face palmed 🤦🏼‍♂️🙄🤣🤣🤣

[@dougsholly9323]

Just show him a picture of the earth 'upside down' and ask him which way is up. His logic here escapes me. Just as a side note, have anyone ever noticed that in sci-fi space movies, they always seem to have a universal up? When ships encounter each other in space, they are always oriented the same way. I kinda find it comical that they ignore that.

[@MightyMattTM]

"I can't be bothered to do a 4 hour live stream to address a 10 minute video" SHEEEEEEEEEEESH Dave.... Did him all sorts of dirty on that one

[@mikedrop4421]

He also said that Google was a "reference" lol. They just can't compute what a reference frame is.

[@charlehpock]

I kept thinking "he can't be this stupid can he??". Then I remembered that he actually believes the earth is flat...

[@petergaskin1811]

Correction - he says he thinks the Earth is flat.

[@charlehpock]

@@petergaskin1811 What's the difference?

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Irony is a Flat Earther that uses the ISS as part of a proof.

[@eltzar72]

Just when you think flerfs cannot be more stupid than you thought... They prove you right

[@clebsgaming92]

I'd love to see flat earthers show where is the Top and the Bottom of a golf ball.

[@Kiwigucci]

Good point there 👍

[@jaybarnes6483]

I just watched the "up and down" show, and I'm confused. They showed pictures of earth from space, but I thought they thought you couldn't get into space.

[@johnwilson839]

Thanks for a great illustration of another flerf. I'm starting to become less interested in what they say they believe and becoming more curious which of them are dishonestly trying to gain / maintain veiwers with no real conviction in their flerf beliefs. I think its been a while since I've seen a flerf that seems honestly confused. Many seem intentionally confusing though.

[@mikeguilmette776]

A big part of the problem is that people like them treat words as having "absolute" meanings, and they consider Google searches to be "absolute" truths.

[@thearmouredpenguin7148]

@@mikeguilmette776 It's always amuses me to listen to barely literate flerfs arguing over the dictionary definition of words to "prove" their point.

[@CD_Character]

@@mikeguilmette776 Except when the definitions disagree with their position. Then it's, "Google is part of the conspiracy!"

[@ForwardEarth]

I can't even believe this is a point that has to be addressed.

[@thedishonorableparasite]

Flerfs: "NASA lies and their images are all CGI!" Also Flerfs: "Look how these images from NASA prove my point!"

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

That is a nice strawman you constructed there, would be a shame if anyone pointed it out.

[@thedishonorableparasite]

@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting Can you explain why putting two short descriptions of easily observable facts close to each other to emphasize their contradictory content could be considered a strawman argument?

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@thedishonorableparasite Here is another observable fact: We can't observe the curve, water finds its level, laser experiments proves that there is no curve as for what a strawman means since you seem to be lacking in the upstairs department: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted. : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction.

[@thedishonorableparasite]

​@@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting I did't ask what a strawman argument is. I assume that you simply didn't understand the question and did not deliberately misrepresent what I wrote. But thanks anyway. :)

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

@@thedishonorableparasite No, you didn't ask, but clearly you didn't know what it means which is why i decided to lecture you.

[@jasonbennett8349]

Yeah. I silence flat earth defenders constantly by asking them to explain EAST and WEST. Because NORTH is toward the center of their model and SOUTH is every direction away from the center. They still haven't answered me

[@Globehoax]

East and west is going in circle. Open Gleason flat earth map and see how travel works

[@cedricchong8755]

@@Globehoax My question is how can you differentiate East and West by standing in countries close to the equator. Like how would people in Malaysia other than the Sun, know where East and West is?

[@Globehoax]

@@cedricchong8755 east and west is going in circle. Open Gleason flat earth map and see how it works

[@srStinnky]

I absolutely love how flatearthers always claim that science is wrong and that the internet is evil...yet they always seek their answers in wikipedia and google

[@gl15col]

I always wonder; do these types use GPS, cell phones and electricity? Because if you distrust science so much, you should be terrified of these things being a big conspiracy...

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@gl15col Trust me, you don't want to go down that rabbit hole with them.

[@daveg2104]

@@gl15col Some of them make a distinction between science that they don't like and consider to be "just a theory", and technology that they do like and consider to be solely the product of practical processes. It's best to just take Mike's advice and don't go there.

[@timmo971]

Kudos to you Dave for staying calm and civil. I could NOT do it. I would be like Arnold Schwartzenager with a bunch of kindergarten kids. Hey maybe you’ve missed your calling, maybe be a preschool teacher!

[@evenstoats2639]

Preschoolers would be easier to deal with!

[@Spidouz]

8:50 That’s actually one thing I always wonder. Since astronauts can be in any direction in the ISS, do they have tendency to flip themselves to orient the same way when they want to talk to someone else (as force of habit to see people in the same orientation than us), or do they completely forgot any earth habits and can perfectly have long discussion with someone while orienting in a complete different orientation. It must be weird to chat with someone with his/her face being sideways or upside down…

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Not sure, but I've seen examples of them forgetting they are back on Earth - letting go of things in mid air and expecting them to float etc

[@irrelevant_noob]

My guess would be that it depends on circumstances. If i have to keep an eye on a screen while also talking with someone else, i'll prioritize seeing the screen "properly" over being in the other person's orientation.

[@SimonAmazingClarke]

Keep on doing your great work. No wonder they think the world isn't ready to learn the truth about Aliens with these people around.

[@BobMossNanoTanks]

Expecting flat earthers to understand reference frames is like expecting dogs to understand colours

[@dontforgetyoursunscreen]

Dogs can see yellow & blue

[@BobMossNanoTanks]

@@dontforgetyoursunscreen TIL the rainbow only contains yellow and blue?

[@gedstrom]

“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

[@johnv1684]

Congrats Dave, you’ve discovered the reason why Flatzoid’s better known in the debunking community, as Failzoid. Now expect a series of responses on his part, where he’ll descent slowly into the abyss of his derp.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

I know him better as top left ;-)

[@MoogieSRO]

@@DaveMcKeegan In my experience, these people are more likely to be "top right".

[@HiddenObject98]

​@@MoogieSROWhat do you mean by top left or top right?

[@notmyname3681]

Let's be fair though; in Flatzoid's frame of reference he's ascending to the heights of intellectual glory.

[@mastertubbily1812]

@@HiddenObject98the orientation of the Earth in space

[@christiankalk4668]

Asking "Where is the top of the Earth" on a Globe is like asking "Where is the South Pole" on the popular flat Earthers' North Polar Projection map.

[@jmr5125]

9:15 While you are correct that astronauts can reorient themselves so that their legs point any direction they wish (thereby redefining down for themselves), each module that makes up the ISS _does_ have a well defined up and down direction. For the sake of crew comfort, each module has a well defined ceiling and floor (where equipment intended for frequent use by the crew is placed) and walls. And, on the walls, equipment is oriented so that it is easiest to use while oriented with your head towards the "ceiling" and feet towards the "floor".

[@mikeguilmette776]

Exactly. They create a "convention" of floor and ceiling for convenience.

[@clivedavis6859]

@@mikeguilmette776 It is also psychologically more comfortable to be in a familiar looking environment. Also, when designing our Antarctic base, where people had to work together in cramped spaces, a psychologist advised that the the colour scheme was important. Pale blues and greens would be peaceful and reds and yellows would have the people angry.

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@clivedavis6859 Exactly.