David Chalmers on Virtual Worlds and the Problems of Philosophy | Closer To Truth Chats

[@joshkeeling82]

It's sad to see the aging process of people I greatly respect and admire. Robert, I don't know if you'll ever see this comment.. I just want to show appreciation for everything you've accomplished with the Closer to Truth series. There is not anything else like it. I'll forever watch every episode again and again. Please tell David that there are people who greatly admire him. Thank you for everything, Robert. May you live and prosper for decades to come

[@CloserToTruthTV]

Really appreciate, Josh; makes my day (as I prepare for new CTT productions later this year). Your gracious words mean a good deal to all of us at Closer To Truth and to me personally. Much thought and work go into each episode - sometimes for a year or more - and it is gratifying to know that it is appreciated. As for the aging process, alas, we resist as we can.... I exercise every day, including two hours of intense table tennis with top coaches twice a week and non-stop weightlifting three days a week (though with much lighter weights than in bygone days). Onward - we are on the same journey. Robert

[@grosbeak6130]

Yes the sadness of aging process but of course this is all based upon human desires. Take trees, a big beautiful tree that in Autumn the leaves start to die and light up the world with a beauty that the tree did not have before the leaves were dying. And even when the tree itself grows old and dies one day there's a kind of dignity a haunting reminder of maybe some deeper truth. The human personality was not meant for immortality, an immortality is just some kind of desire based upon a human notion. We are not the center of the universe, and neither are human aspirations accomplishments and desires. Far far from it. But of course we humans don't think that way and so aging and death is sad. The Earth itself was found out not to be the center of the universe and also that the Earth will not last forever.

[@SubconsciousNarration]

@@grosbeak6130 100% agreed - so eloquently said. Thank you!!!!!

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

@@grosbeak6130 I totally disagree. I think that attitude is an emergent property of humans' tendency to conquer. Once they've conquered survival, they continue on to conquer each other (ever hear of cannibals?), until they can no longer survive. That's why the USA was formed (to flee Europe), and then took the land away from the Indians (to avoid dealing with "lesser" people). They failed to listen to the Indians when they tried to say that they (their physical bodies) required their (own) land (a physical place) to exist (in this physical universe) (a scientific fact). Not being "smart/genius/scientist" does not not make anyone wrong. But now, all we have are dead Indians still trying to say "I told you so.".

[@coreytravislee8359]

I disagree, i think the aging process is one of life’s greatest beauties!

[@blue241]

i wish robert good health so he can do these amazing podcasts long time to come, his guests are always amazing as well

[@myusername5]

I've learn so much from this channel. I hope you never stop posting videos.

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I dont understand how a channel with this much information is not popular as it should be

[@weirdorwhat7294]

Well they'll eventually have to stop because nobody lives forever

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[@danielgonzaleznader7387]

X2

[@chyfields]

I am convinced that our teachers of ancient wisdom were telling us the truth: consciousness is exploring itself.

[@Ascendlocal]

Trying to make sense of your comment. Do you mean consciousness is not an emergent property of a complex neural network?

[@chyfields]

One analogy would be that by using the same ingredients many different recipes can emerge.

[@Ascendlocal]

@Carl Sagan paradigm? That makes no sense. Matter is matter and has nothing to do with consciousness. In what is most likely, a multiverse of perhaps 10 to the 500 different manafolds and constants. Even if a pocket universe only consists of Plasma. Plasma is still a state of matter. You need to watch Frank Wilczek Nobel Laureate in particle physics as well. Let him dismiss your misguided understanding. Respectfully.

[@1stPrinciples455]

Energy at its most fundamental has structure? ?

[@chyfields]

@@1stPrinciples455 This reality is consistent with a simulation and a dream. You don’t have to remain addicted to it forever. You are not a prisoner and so can leave at any time.

[@emptycloud2774]

I greatly respect Chalmers not because I agree or disagree with him; but, his intellectual fearlessness to loudly declare propositions that could easily be career destroying and cop intense ridicule from the scientific community, which Chalmer's has received. Yet, here we are, easily 30+ years since Chalmer's articulated The Hard Problem, and the scientific community still have no adequate response. Philosophy of Mind is one of the most exciting areas of research to watch unfold.

[@andrewrozhen513]

You have created the best project about nature of reality I’ve ever encountered. Thank you for that!

[@Arunava_Gupta]

Very correct. I agree 👍

[@danielgonzaleznader7387]

x2

[@goldschadt]

I concur! In my mind absolutely no doubt about it.

[@vhawk1951kl]

How do you define "reality"? - Whose reality?

[@dogsbollox4335]

Peter codher,what you think of bernardo kastrup,and what about hameroff and Penrose orch theory.

[@Gotenham]

Always love listening to David's perspectives on things

[@DesertTalk]

I may not always agree, but I have always enjoyed listening to David Chalmers's views.

[@N1otAn1otherN1ame]

Same here. I will certainly read his book, but I think he has ultimately fallen for the Bit psychosis.

[@jimmyjimjimmyjimjimjimjim4437]

This topic reminds me of the tendency of scientists and philosophers in the 19th century to think of nature and especially the human body in terms of the leading technologies of that time. The human body was simply a mechanical system like a steam engine. Feed a cold, starve a fever is a case in point. New, unimagined technologies were developed and people thought of nature in terms of those new technologies. In the future, I imagine, we will have other new technologies and philosophers will be arguing reality in terms of those.

[@BroadcaststoNowhere]

Doesn't this bias simply exist because as technology advances we are coming closer to being able to build machines such as ourselves? We can understand steam engines and computers, yet future AI's will claim consciousness and we will be unable to judge or decide as we do not understand even our own. We are not mechanical machines, we are not mental processing organs, we are not even the information itself contained within our brains. We are the information processing flow shared between our system and the environment. My consciousness includes that external environmental information even if I have yet to become aware of it, JUST as my conscious includes all the stored information in my unconsciousness that I am also unaware of at this moment. Our understanding of consciousness is biased by our self solvency. We are the flow of information back and forth, back and forth... It could be argued that our consciousness, flowed through the informational processes of our parents, their parents, on back through evolution, the universe, straight through the laws of physics right up to the big bang. This isn't pan-psychism for me. We are different. We are the only pieces of matter (we know of) capable of self reporting on limited pieces of this informational flow. Informational processes (ie. consciousness) simply flow through us and since we see it in our heads, makes us think it's us.

[@MetaversalSouljah]

Ultimately it's all a dream and consciousness itself. Comparing it to technologies is too materialistic imo. It just IS. Like the ancient mystics understood.

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

I agree, except for "Feed a cold, starve a fever". And, that includes using ice for fevers. When one gets a fever, the body is trying to do some "work". Instead of hindering it, I think we should help it, so it doesn't have to do so much work. When I got a fever, I climbed into bed under a blanket (and hot chicken soup wasn't that bad either).

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

@@BroadcaststoNowhere I think this bias is an emergent property of humans' tendency to dismiss others achievements and exaggerate their own.

[@alittax]

Yes, that's a very good point, Jim! :) Well done!

[@konberner170]

As David alluded to, but I didn't hear clearly state, the Fermi paradox is solidly answered by the sim theory. For me, this is among the most convincing points about it.

[@iscottke]

Brilliant! Both David and Robert. A joy to listen (as usual).

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

Calling Chalmers brilliant is like your children calling you brilliant. They don't know any better. Chalmers is an ee.dee.ot about the nature of consciousness, reality, and god.

[@manojbasnet3684]

This streak that Robert started would go forever.

[@edwardbrett6133]

I do love watching these two together

[@binasharma7128]

Makes sense. Our “reality” change with time!

[@kamesh7818]

I loved this interview, David is one the best in modern time, his perspectives are far ahead of time and very much worth pursuing.

[@brettlunden8268]

Thank you Robert. These chats are always amazing.

[@amountainmanslogcabinlife9006]

I cannot get enough of your channel...brilliant.....mind expanding....

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

virtual worlds, can not be truth, even, if, is exists somewhere else’s, but can not be trusted, until you are physically there, and you have received an invitation to be there , as we’re living at present time!

[@OmAr_Kh21.]

Great conversation

[@Homelessbillionaire]

Just one small positive thought in the morning can change your whole day.” - Dalai Lama

[@grosbeak6130]

Well thank you for blowing a rainbow up our butts.

[@breno2024]

@@grosbeak6130 there is almost infinitely more wisdom in those 13 words than this video.

[@beeshepard]

Great interview! I enjoy these more than the TV show format.

[@leandrosilvagoncalves1939]

One of the hardest things to understand in philosophy is why Robert hasn't interviewed Bernardo Kastrup yet

[@normaodenthal8009]

Bernardo is brilliant, but possibly on the wrong side of the pond or dominant paradigm.

[@estellescholtz5619]

You have to watch the BK versus Sabena as well as BK against another interrupted podcast to understand this. 31:43

[@Raptorel]

Best channel on KZbin. Always a pleasure to watch.

[@rockapedra1130]

Wow! Loved this interview! I really admire your tireless quest in delving into the hardest problems of all. Where does such boundless energy come from? Perhaps this is another one of those really difficult questions to answer! Thanks for sharing your journey with us!

[@Ykpaina988]

Love the show love this podcast format to go more in depth with guests. I have learned so much from Closer to Truth. Great way to maintain a rigorous approach to the philosophical without the nonsensical mysticisms of many philosophers. Not to say there is anything wrong with the mysterious.

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

Don't know what mystics youre referring to, but if you're not a coward, you can experience god first hand via 5-MEO, then you'll realize every last thing you believe is completely wrong and that Chalmers is an 'educated idiot'

[@undergroundsubway7023]

David charmers is one of my favorites. Bring back the hair Dave

[@thekingscotustheredstar2136]

Closer too the truth... I love this channel ❤

[@MrPerfs]

As a P-Zombie, I'm very sad that David Chalmers doubts my existence.

[@Raptorel]

Are O-Zombies capable of irony?

[@Homelessbillionaire]

I’m a greater believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.”

[@normaodenthal8009]

I look forward to becoming the gardener on the Holodeck. Just hope I will be reminded to water the plants, but not too much.

[@proflobo]

Advaita vedanta, explained most clearly by Swami Sarvapriyanda, brought into this discussion would be super interesting.

[@benbarkerdreaming]

All people have to do is change our language around reality and consciousness understanding

[@tomasz3122]

I love this channel.

[@karencobleigh1164]

I choose to die like a real world person. My Creator has my will and my every breath. Thank you.⚘

[@havenbastion]

We are each an embodied being with a singular perspective on the universe. The word reality refers to our external experience, whatever it is. There is only one Reality, but there are infinite perspectives on it, in time, space, and scale. Any transcendent idea is unverifiable and therefore indistinguishable from fiction.

[@corkamstra3909]

The BBC are looking for a new Dr. Who. It occurred to me that David Chalmers would be an excellent candidate.

[@joegeorge3889]

I've watched your old videos with David he looked like a rock star with the long hair my how time changes people and it goes by so fast

[@David.C.Velasquez]

I miss metal head Chalmers. Boy, the years just fly by....

[@StevieLinn]

Love your channel and thank you for this interview with DC! I really enjoy listening to him often, I purchased his book via audible last week and it’s great!

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

Chalmers is a doom.ash. Go listen to Donald Hoffman, Bernardo Kastrup, and a few hundred NDE testimonies on Jeff Mara's channel.

[@Ascendlocal]

Fantastic discussion. One lingering question. Why does no one in the context of your topics Robert, with the exception of Michio Kaku by another interviewer, at least acknowledge within your episodes, the DOD UAP videos? Michio stated, they are not proof but they are indeed evidence. I would even go one step further Robert. This topic must be discussed anytime the Fermi paradox is mentioned! The government acknowledges they are real and yet not a single scientist in your interviews will touch the subject. Nor have you introduced it into your discussions. Respectfully, am I off base?

[@mrpresidentbarry]

well-said, Frank…nobody says a word, eh bro.???!🙄

[@briandmadden8545]

I totally agree with your comments Frank. During this discussion, I realised that Robert has not addressed the mounting evidence that we are encountering something unusual in our skies and oceans. Hopefully, this subject can be investigated on this channel.

[@Ascendlocal]

@@briandmadden8545 maybe if more of us make the same request? Any discussion of the topic would be a welcome subject in his otherwise brilliant episodes. Plus, he interviews scientists and philosophers who have highly speculative ideas, such as Donald Hoffman. Even Paul Davies, Rupert guy with his Morphic Resonance theory

[@briandmadden8545]

Perhaps he or an admin will notice your post. Cheers

[@MarkLucasProductions]

Love the Globe!!

[@christophernoblett1897]

All is in the mind.Mind is in the all

[@withnail-and-i]

Nothing better than the good zombie snippet to inaugurate this video.

[@NorthenTasawwuf]

Robert, you should have an in-depth talk with Bernardo Kastrup :)

[@CloserToTruthTV]

Scheduled for next year - was scheduled two years ago, but Mr. Covid had other plans

[@MrLJT1]

@@CloserToTruthTV Looking forward to that!

[@diogosilvermagalhaes3574]

If I understand correctly, one of Chalmers' points is that a simulation includes all views: dualism, panpisquism, materialism, etc. So maybe our lack of consensus is why, these multiple possibilities of interpretations.

[@tookie36]

I think simulation theory is helpful to get around the philosophy zombie problem. Really makes you have to decide about how to act. If you create a world in which the participants feel, interact, and have our behaviors but they lack consciousness can you kill them? Etc. no matter the reality you’re going to run the spectrum of materialist through idealist philosophies. It’s been going on for 5000+ years and I personally don’t think it’s going to stop

[@amadeana]

Thank you. I really enjoyed this discussion. It raises a number of questions, for example, much of the discussion seemed to happen outside time and physicality. If we are the product of 200,000 years of evolution and much of what we have learned has been passed on from one to another, and that we have both evolved and learned through a physical relationship within the world, how would it be possible to upload the consequences to AI and in particular AI that has a different physical relationship with its environment. I don't know why it occurred to me, but someone once explained to me that when you enjoy the scent of a rose, it is because you inhale physical parts of that rose.

[@DavidKolbSantosh]

Robert your question at the 10 min mark about the enormous amount of computational power required to simulate an entire universe is perhaps best looked at from the point of view of the observer and the idea of superposition. It is not all being computed and rendered simultaneously. Perhaps the superposition state is a state prior to being rendered relative to a particular observer. The rendered "image" (image here not just referring to a visual image) is within the cognitive apparatus of the observer. Looking at it in this way we can see how the computational power is being economized, whereby what is not observed is not being rendered.

[@garybala000]

Many thanks for a mind-blowing chat with Chalmers. Your pointed and well-informed questions alone justify listening to this. Anyway, my take on all this is to reject the Bostrom simulation hypothesis and Chalmers extension of “simulation realism” out of hand. It’s an amusing postulation. But it’s pure unfounded philosophy, without a scientific foundation - namely, rigorous proof of confirmation or falsification. Because “you cannot rule something out” offers no sound intellectual predicate to make definitive statements. After all, we also cannot rule out that simulation theory is pure hogwash. It’s all grand speculation in my view. Now on the other hand, if physicist Jim Gates is right that our physical reality exhibits “error codes” suggesting we are living in someone else’s simulation, that would be another story.

[@Ascendlocal]

And to your point, whatever happened to that Jim Gates supposedly profound finding? I have not heard one single follow up or response from his peers. So, they just let it go without further investigation, other published rebuttals papers? What gives?

[@chrisgreen1514]

Interesting point that all interactive simulations involve a form of dualism, the external world of the simulation and the internal world of the incarnated avatar.

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

The consciousness, doesn’t exists, in any humans from the beginning, and is created during the time’s by our knowledge and experiences which we have learned, and each consciousness is different then the others, depending on your life journey!

[@investorswantedchannel8059]

Do you still have a deal with PBS and will your show be returning, I hope/pray??? Your show changed what I think about and great new perspectives. Thank you!!!!

[@SandipChitale]

Excellent podcast. I think the complaint about bio-chauvinism may be thinking of it in a superficial manner. If we think of it this way it may make sense. 1. It is not biology per se that is required for producing the phenomenon we call consciousness. Instead, it is complexity above a certain threshold. I think most people will agree with that. 2. In our universe with given laws of physics, space, time, energy, and lastly matter, which basically means atoms and molecules, the easiest way to produce complexity maybe by not having complex fundamental objects, but instead composing simple components like atoms into complex structures - molecules. 3. There are about 118 kinds of different atoms available on the menu to form molecules. Imagining the space of all possible molecules and carving out the subvolume whereby the molecules with complexity that exceeds the required threshold. Given the 4 covalent bonds of carbon, it appears that is the key atom that forms long and complex molecules in conditions that exist on planets like Earth. It is even possible that in that subvolume of molecule space there may not be any molecules that do not involve Carbon. 4. That is why biology naturally blossomed based on organic chemistry. Heck, it may even be an Imperative. 5. Based on the above it makes sense to be bio-chauvinistic which actually means carbon-chauvinistic especially if one thinks of naturally evolved life. 6. It takes naturally started life to evolve into intelligent life over long periods of time to then engineer complexity of gradually increasing complexity using non-organic material like silicon because to build very large complexity with small amount of material and volume the transistor making process is suitable. But to make conscious creatures we may find that we will have to build them using organic chemistry...brain organelles. I think David should talk to Sara Walker/Lee Cronin about their Assembly theory, Assembly numbers, and complexity.

[@117Industries]

This was a really cool comment. Sometimes people are smart and write well 🙂.

[@SandipChitale]

@@117Industries Thanks!

[@rileyhoffman6629]

We could argue that any perceived reality is virtual, that it is a matter of kind and degree. I love how Chalmers makes me think in ways I never otherwise would. I've a PhD in art history; my field has questions around 'fakes' that are parallel, especially concerning Value. Then, Chalmers' 'deep fake,' yes you might have an experience with someone, so what happens when you meet again non-virtually the following week? Only one of you has the memory further complicating the ontology. All very interesting to ponder.

[@kxlot79]

Many of my fast friendships said there was something instantly familiar about me. And I swear I’d have met them and gone on adventures with them in my dreams!🤣 Accessible Reality is more multi-layered and unexplored than anyone ever considers.

[@dennistucker1153]

@DavidChalmers, I agree with you. I had a project in mind to create a company that builds single real world simulation tool. One that can account for real world physics(as much as possible), precise models(graphics) and any programmed sequences needed. Then another company to physical builds\sells stuff that tests well through simulations. Material\Mechanical Sciences plays a big part here. 3D printers will be a key item.

[@threadhorizon2020]

The Fermi paradox, (why haven't we heard from anyone) - we ARE making progress since this 1950s conversation. Now we have over 5,000 confirmed exoplanets, the Webb telescope and the numerous other evolving technologies. Its only been within the last 200 years that we've opened our eyes and ears. Science will eventually shed light on our "aloneness."

[@francesco5581]

i would also very like an interview with Bernardo Kastrup ...

[@nasunorahl]

Consider that what we experience as consciousness and being is magnitudes less than what our creators experience if we were/are in a simulation.

[@MarpLG]

and consider what one creator must experience in that case.

[@diegoangulo370]

Can’t wait for fdvrmmos

[@nasunorahl]

They solved the Transporter problem with that episode where Barkely(TNG) rescued some people in the transporter stream and demonstrated how the traveler is remaining conscious during transport. Though they left out any sort of explanation.

[@hireality]

Brilliant talk 👍 Chalmers Reality+ is highly relevant to the Hi-Reality hypothesis that I started to develop a few years ago. Can’t wait to interview him one day on my channel.

[@marioescalona1640]

Crazy stuff!

[@kxlot79]

*This* is the Twilight Zone 😅😮‍💨

[@eSKAone-]

Personal identity is an illusion. You're not even the same person today with the one that went to sleep yesterday. Death becomes trivial if you see the truth. You never existed as a single consistent mind, it's just a story. The you, you were yesterday, didn't suffer to go out of existence, and your new you tells itself the story that it existed since 1982 or something. It will be the same with the uploaded mind. Do you miss your child existence? That child died. What you have left are just memories 💟

[@gamer24d]

Are you a Buddhists?

[@garygroves8120]

I think these ideas are affecting my paintings😊

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

As long as we’re alive we will need morality, when we dies, we will be entering to the mortal world, which has different meaning and experience !

[@konberner170]

This notion that the computational power to compute our universe would be too much to accomplish reminds me of a point by Chris Langan, that is that our universe is in fact doing exactly this already! It would be some kind of belief in magic to see our universe as not having to coordinate (e.g. where exactly are these laws of physics and exactly how are they enforced?) its own function. To think that it would take more to simulate it than to coordinate it is already just admitting that we have no idea how the laws of physics are actually accomplished.

[@nicolasfabelo1781]

Wonderful video !!!

[@center__mass]

Philosophers are all talk🤗

[@michaelduss5255]

Concerning the hard problem of conciousness: there is a thesis out there that solves the „problem“ entirely, namely that there is nothing but phenomenal conciousness (which isn‘t the same as meta-consciousness we usually mean when we say consciousness). It‘s the only given fact we have direct access to. That which experiences. Everything else (matter, the physical world, our egos, …) are abstractions, stories and narratives that derive from it. The most tenable respective ontology is elaborated by Bernardo Kastrup in his book The Idea of the World: A Multi-Disciplinary Argument for the Mental Nature of Reality. Go and try to falsify it :-)

[@kieranryan6148]

Bit perplexed at the answer by Guilio Tonino to the last question as it sounded a like a circular definition so I‘ll give an alternative: to the question ‚what is the implication of this definition of consciousness?‘ another answer might be: ‚the everlasting and timeless now, thanks to the big bang and the creation of time, can be digitized into a lifetime of unique experiences‘

[@phenomenon8]

I think cheeky David has been reading ideas from that book 'Phenomenon' 📖 (Amazon) 'Before Conception and Beyond' not sure who's ideas are more bonkers David's or the books 🤠🌈🎱

[@donaldpenman4241]

I watch amazon prime on my vr headset and I can watch a film while sitting in a cinema.

[@TimmyTues]

The quantum mechanics & the double slit experiment would imply that EVERYTHING not being observed is executed based on a probabilistic algorithm. That's where the system running the simulation saves it's resources...Everywhere not exposed to direct precise measurement. It also has a cap to it's processing speed, which is the speed of light...the faster you go or the more complicated a system (velocity or mass), the more time slows down so the system can process what is going on without breaking. And you can't go faster than light, because that is the clock speed of the processor. Artificial speed limit.

[@kfwimmer]

The best!

[@SandipChitale]

David seems to be saying that the Hard Problem of consciousness is hard. That is well and good. However, when that is extrapolated to mean an insoluble problem, then I have to take an issue with that. And if one does that, then I consider it similar to the "Shutup and Calculate" dogma in the world of quantum mechanics - which basically stopped any progress in the understanding of quantum physics for 70 years (read Adam Baker's What is real? book). The idea was that it is impossible to understand how QM works, let us just use it to calculate (which works very well BTW) blindly applying the QM equations. Luckily some scientists are ignoring the "Shutup and Calculate" dogma and forging ahead to try to understand the fundamentals of QM. Along the same lines let us forget/ignore the Hard Problem of Consciousness (which chokes the progress) and instead focus on what Anil Seth calls the Real Problem of Consciousness and chip away at it thru neuroscience, brain bio-electro-chemistry, and psychology research.

[@notexactlyrocketscience]

35:23 ("As far as I can tell, there is no reason to restrict consciousness to the biological") It's rare that Chalmers trips up. Biological life is the only life we know. He can't draw conclusions from an assumption when all facts point to the opposite. The most natural hypothesis must be constantly diminishing consciousness during magical "transfer" to silicon, akin to falling asleep in slow motion, and death at 100% "completion" at the latest. Nothing points to the fact that "copying consciousness to silicon" is possible. Where in academia does this hopefulness come from? Robert's follow-up question was right on the money. Then afterwards, talking about zombies, Chalmers doubles down on downplaying the singular and unique importance of biology for consciousness (calls it "bio-chauvism"). What a stunning change of mind.

[@InnerLuminosity]

Life is but a dream😉

[@owencampbell4947]

All existence are built of atoms, not one kind but many kinds. Which group is responsible for consciousness in humans, is the open question yet. A warship is a conscious operating technology. They're on their own, and have to handle situations accordingly. Same goes for a human, its atoms act accordingly.

[@shinymike4301]

Silicon virtual realities are as real as we make them, unlike the Reality we live in, in which we have limited control over.

[@kxlot79]

The control is only as limited as we believe it is

[@helloitsme98]

Voyeurism is a type of experience - cool

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Does causation have existence beyond physical reality? Causation can enter physical reality from beyond?

[@bryandraughn9830]

I'm thinking that the only way to process an intersection of incoming sensory input is to have a "perspective" part of the brain that thinks that it is a "self" but can't really locate itself. This intersection would be part visual processing, part audio processing, touch, etc... In order for the organism to do this is to generate a sense of "being" . In a sensory deprivation environment, this intersection will generate a reality in order to maintain itself. We know that we experience reality by taking sensory input and generating an environment, locating our position within that environment and THEN we can presumably navigate within reality using this generated world as a reference. The visual cortex is only partially involved, as are the other areas involved with the senses, but where do they all connect together, and how?

[@hiimelfo]

Time is a thing. They both have gotten old. Makes me feel old. 😌

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

Don't feel too bad about it. Tomorrow is a new day. Time's funny that way. It can be old and young at the same. I notice that you still have some fresh thinking. Good luck.

[@tajodanny]

what does one eat in a virtual reality? and are the bathrooms well marked?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Would networking of information be needed in computer simulation for emergence? What does the networking of information in a computer simulation?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

For computer simulation, digital information organisms or units able to form own perceptions of reality and program three dimension physical matter by itself?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Might causation provide energy needed for digital information bits to produce computer simulation?

[@lmelin1959]

Its amusing the way David's globe is positioned with Austrailia up top.

[@DaGrybo]

All you need to find an answer more profound than any of these speculations are 5 grams of shrooms. But I like Chalmers, without going into any dogma his philosophy is the closest to my understanding out of any other strict non-religious, non-mystical philosophers. Obviously your unit of consciousness is beyond the simulation of reality, these guys to a high degree operate on information from before the internet age. Now you can find entire databases of information about the true nature of reality. The pace of discovering our immortality is higher than at any other historical point in time. The problem is that for some people this knowledge is not convenient since they created personalities based entirely on the physicalist point of view.

[@kxlot79]

There’s no wrong paths back to source. The physicalists just chose the scenic route.😌

[@ALavin-en1kr]

This is what when the spiritual world is discounted.

[@jayb5596]

Whether or not the universe is a simulation is up for debate however it's fascinating to conceptualize. We live in an expanding universe that appears to self organize into various physical manifestations governed by fundamental forces. We are conscious beings who can perceive the world around us. We perceive time which is a predictive measurement that attaches us to the past, present and future. We have a sense of presence in the "now" but now is a constantly changing state, we feel attached to our past and drawn to our future. We have a sense of an internal presence as if we exist internally. We feel attached to an internal self that has no identity outside of the physical manifestation that we are. Myself, himself, herself, yourself, ourselves it's all just self. If you take away our memory, our experiences and our ability to look into the mirror, self can't identity. Self is not unique to the individual, the individual is unique to self.

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

That last line was a good one. However, even if YOUR "universe" is a simulation, just remember that all simulations require something to be simulated. There's more to life than what meets the eye.

[@jayb5596]

@@dennisr.levesque2320 Just a thought experiment, I know not what our universe is I only have one perspective. I agree much more than meets the eye.

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

Your brains 🧠 can travel, anywhere is possible, but, your body will need more information and evidence to move with your minds!

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

Thanks 🙏 regards

[@moomoocamus2]

Even if we live in a virtual world, the real problems of philosophy (and politics) persist. It seems that a virtual world is a model of infinite regress. A mise en abyme .

[@dennisr.levesque2320]

I still haven't figured out what the problems OF philosophy (and politics) are. I know what a lot of problems IN philosophy (and politics) are, But, I still never saw the problem of trying to fix those problems. What could possibly be a problem with that?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Does consciousness require perceptions of reality unique to that organism, which when interact with reality creates subjective emotions or conscious feeling from the organism's unique perception of reality?

[@stuarttaylor2107]

The Earth we live on is a stationary plane. The sun moon and stars are lights in the sky which are local.

[@tunahelpa5433]

I'm just having an idle thought here.....If we live in a simulated universe, that runs on a computer, then consciousness becomes important. Perhaps the creators of this simulation inserted cameras into it, in such a way that they could observe it from all sorts of vantage points. Those cameras would be the conscious minds that look out on the simulated universe and see, instead of bits and transistors, the other simulated entities in the universe. In other words, we (our conscious minds) were inserted into the simulation so that the creators of that simulation could take a deep dive into what it was like, through our eyes.

[@jean-pierredevent970]

I am a layman and so probably wrong but for me this universe is not different from a virtual one. Assume it were possible to run a world in a computer and assume the beings in it had consciousness then they would think they had "real mass while we would smile and think nothing there had real mass. But do we have "real mass"? Is matter not in essence "caged force or energy"? and are forces not coming very close to pure mathematical descriptions of what must happen ? What energy really is, is hard to tell. We know it only through what it does.

[@tookie36]

Exactly. In once sense it doesn’t matter if we are in a simulation or if we are spirits reincarnating again and again. What matters is we seem to have something called consciousness and that comes with existence and morality. At least that’s how I see it. It doesn’t matter what level world you’re in you’re going to have to figure out how best to interact with that environment. Be it digital, be it a copy, be it an illusion that part only matters in the sense of it could help find better ways to interact

[@jakkritphanomchit]

All Chalmers is saying, is that our reality could be different. But this doesn't bring us any closer to reality itself. What's the point of his simulation hypothesis? He doesn't explain why he needs to come up with such an elaborate speculate conjecture.

[@tookie36]

Right? At that point why not concede to past lives, objective morality, etc. regardless if it’s reincarnation through the flesh or digital reincarnation. Exsistence, consciousness, and bliss are still the thread that connects it all together.

[@kxlot79]

These kind of arguments are humorously extrapolated in loads of isekai animes.😂 I’m fairly convinced “bits” is synonymous for “atoms”😮‍💨 I wonder if any characters in FreeGuy had phenomenological and ontological debates amongst themselves offscreen.🤔🧐

[@metoo836]

the last remarks is marvelous ..........are we sur you are the same person every day you walkup???????????