David Seymour on which race-based policies he’d like to change | 30 with Guyon Espiner Ep.3 | RNZ

[@ala-hc4rx]

Amazing to see rnz allowing comments.will respect them for this.

[@Thatsjustlikeuhmyopinionman]

@kahouli2496 and it's so good to see it returning!

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

Totally agree. Very frustrating when citizens watch political news on New Zealand news KZbin channels and find comments turned off.

[@logicalanswer3529]

They are usually turned off on the channels that attempt to push a racist victimhood mentality like Newshub. Look how that turned out for them.

[@deryckhunt7086]

About time.

[@suenicholas4510]

You tell him, David..!! 👏👏👏 Espiner believes he's important in his own lunchtime..!! He's a joke....he could learn from David..!!

[@titahibayflier3160]

I'm half Scottish but that doesn't mean i have to jump and dance around like i'm on the set of Braveheart - David Seymour 2024

[@mitchelldenysschen3224]

😂

[@titiwhai]

My ancestors came from the Shetlands. Would a cow horn helmet be appropriate?

[@Duckz558]

Same doesn’t mean my heart their never been there for me and others I’d say low acknowledgment on their behalf when they knowingly knew

[@StGammon77]

I'm Christian I think I will dress like Jesus, preach in the workplace with scriptures on the wall, prayers, exposing of sin, Bibles on lunchroom table, my pronouns are Prophet Saint. That's diversity and inclusion

[@drednorzt]

"Big busineses actually love regulation. It means it makes it harder for their competitors" ~David Seymour, 2024

[@warrenmartin2982]

Your a good man David , nice interview. Great you are looking after New Zealand

[@food4thort]

Exactly! Not everyone of Maori descent (like me!) is on the Maori roll. Not everyone of Maori descent supports the Maori Party. Not everyone of Maori descent supports race-based institutions. And the elephant in the kitchen on Maori crime statistics - maybe there are more Maori in prison because they proportionally commit more crime. Espiner tries to put a different spin on these realities but he loses when he lets Seymour speak.

[@hailzreignmanga]

Maori isn't a race it is an ethnicity a culture. Any other place in the world we would be praised for trying to preserve that except nz because there is only one race 😂 the honkie race

[@sammyswish]

Facts cuz

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

You’re a classic example of who Paulo Freire recognises as those who manifest the following:- “In the absence of liberation the colonised seek to become like their coloniser.”

[@food4thort]

@@1Ma9iN8tive I am fully aware of how my British ancestors, notwithstanding the Treaty of Waitangi, set about stealing the land of my Waikato Maori ancestors - particularly through the lies and deceit of Governor George Grey. However, I also recognize the innumerable benefits that the British (and others since) brought to this country. Tribal Maori prior to 1840 was anything but idyllic - the likes of Te Rauparaha (for example) were just as reprehensible as the British. On balance I believe the system of government and law we now have is superior to what Maori practised prior to 1840.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

@@food4thort - your comments demonstrate a classic level of educational lack on many aspects of both British Imperialism and Te Rauparaha’s history - you’ve created a false equivalence comparing the two and that’s a direct result of your employment of “presentism” in your poorly constructed comparisons. You have only served to demonstrate how colonised your thinking is. You have significant level of dunning burger syndrome - you need to do better.

[@billkeidan270]

Actually, David speaks a lot of sense despite the hostile questioning!

[@kimjon3774]

Brilliantly articulate, and so calm. David's answers are crystal clear.

[@rossmacpherson986]

"Are you borrowing for tax cuts" "No" "Says here you are" "Yeah but na but yeah"

[@mikelowry111]

Best way forward for the media platform to look like. What we record is what you get !!

[@humanwithaplaylist]

Unlearn right wing propaganda kzbin.info/aero/PLDGgx5xDVBylwy4F1ftFr5uvgjPOIjOaN

[@1112-g1x]

exactly

[@kerryobrien71]

Espiner please take a chill pill and listen to the response. You twist what was said or flat out get the issue totally wrong. I have no love for politicians but can you please not scream your bias. You did not have the same disrespect for labour. As a reporter you have to maintain neutrality regardless of your own political beliefs.

[@gumbooter5562]

Used to respect Espiner but he's no Kim Hill.

[@kerryobrien71]

@@gumbooter5562 agree

[@Dickgoodbody]

Exactly, we've just seen the ponsonby murder by killer beez maori member... plus the maori guy who elbowed the 80 year old women in the face, 2 hardcore brutal crimes within the same week, Espiner says pakeha are doing the same crimes but not getting the same sentences, couldn't be further from the truth, the optics shows us the reality of who's actually committing the worst crimes, guess who it aint?

[@spazmosisdomesticus]

Espiner is condescending. Seymour is showing patience with Espiner .

[@kimshaw-williams]

@@spazmosisdomesticus All you people have fallen for Seymour's smirking spin-doctor wiles. Guy actually managed to get some sense out of him...a rare event...also wiped the smirk off his face.

[@adsdft585]

Current tax rules encourage property investment in land rather than productive sector.

[@howstupidcanyoube100]

Why would I invest in the NZX if I can buy my neighbours house, using the equity in my own house, rent it back to them for 25 years for the cost of the mortgage and for a minor maintenance fee get to sell that property in 25 years for 1.5million. Minimal risk. Maximum return. Zero benefit to the economy or society.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

Nope, that's not true.

[@RadzMexicano]

@@kiwiyogi2846 Would you like to expand on WHY that's not true or should we just take your statement at face value?

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@RadzMexicano Why don't you ask the same to @adsdft585?????

[@liberateyourslack]

​@@kiwiyogi2846yeah go on Yogi, enlighten us.

[@duoploy-k5o]

Well and calmly articulated by Seymour; my respect for him goes up a peg. While 30 minutes is considered an age in NZ media dialogue, even this format exposes the weakness of an interviewer's ego interrupting the conveyance of a well considered point; the interviewers role is to draw these points out rather than block them with an agenda. This does show why people flock to the podcast length of format, where 50 minutes is short, and 3 hours common. But appreciated nonetheless.

[@djldjldjl]

@@duoploy-k5o people like you disgust me. You would allow anyone to walk in and take power, and you have. Shame on you

[@duoploy-k5o]

@@djldjldjl 'people like you', 'disgust me' & 'shame on you'... Clearly you're a person of emotional intelligence. By 'walk in' I presume you mean voted in, in an election, in a representative democracy? I did not vote for him, but I certainly wouldn't vote for a Gestapo controlled totalitarianism like I suspect you are lusting for.

[@tanepukenga1421]

And people like you are why we're now paying Chinese bottling companies for our own water and our educated people are leaving in droves.

[@MurrayLeckie]

Guyon you got owned !!!!

[@JamesChristie-o2e]

Wow yet again David defused a hostile left biased interrogation with logic and clarity of thought Left or right you have to admire his ability to answer and logically dismiss the implied line of questions. He fronts when the left run think ja and Hoskins as a alternative scenario Good on David for taking on debating in a calm logical manner

[@Duckz558]

lot of words about setting up his comrades all I hear

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Duckz558 If how you used your words is an example of how well you listen, then I am not surprised.

[@tanepukenga1421]

What is "logcial" about the lie "All maori die earlier because they all drink, smoke and live rurally!"? Other than the race baiting of course

[@Duckz558]

@@tanepukenga1421 Only been portrayed to be equivalent to other races don’t you think?spotlight always seem to be on moari for some reasons or other maybe cause moari have a say in their country for a change🤔where some people can’t come to grips with moari being in a position of authority concerning the lands and resources where pass/present govt have tried repeatedly to deprive moari of rights

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@tanepukenga1421 A race baiter called Debbie Packer claimed that the tobacco / smoking laws were designed to target and kill Māori people. She belongs to a race baiting party of delusional and mana-less nut jobs.

[@1112-g1x]

this piece of media reminds me of the type of political shows i grew up watching objective and insightful

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

100%. Wouldnt cost much to produce either. RNZ is doing well in new media

[@kerryobrien71]

this is sarcasm right

[@normportman9038]

Hardly objective , Seymour was reasoned , clear and logical . Espiner was constantly trying to trap him and put words in his mouth . Look at the number of times Espiner summed up Seymour's answers with a statement saying something like " so your saying the preferential or race based entry into Med school should be scrapped " very poor journalism , and basically a return to the last 6 years of a spin doctor media being left wing puppets , come in Jessica & Tova .

[@davidcotton4884]

David just gets better and better the more I hear him - well done David

[@jons387]

That was a grating interview. All Guyon was tryin to do was to get David to hesitate or stumble on those loaded questions so he could pounch.. All it did is make Guyon look stupid

[@logicalanswer3529]

100% correct.

[@suenicholas4510]

Agreed..!! Espiner is a joke..!!

[@tanepukenga1421]

No he wasn't, if he was then he would've pounched on davids, "Maori die quicker because they all live rurally" lie.

[@MattFarrell-sf8km]

100% agree

[@aLvArO-5mEnTaRiOs]

Amazing how there are plenty of people in NZ that find excuses to don't move forward. Now a days I know migrants that come with nothing but dreams, start working for almost minimum wage, progress, get to buy a house, childs go to school. Why people born here can't??? Why government dependants??? I think is time to be mature and take care of your own life.

[@Duckz558]

Hogwash migrants will be worse off here in nz with tis coalition govt talk a lot lies facts is they digging holes for the middle class and lower class thats 95% of the population owning nothing and be happy being herded like animals

[@Duckz558]

Genuine excuses I may add

[@logicalanswer3529]

Good point. A lot of it has to do with not taking self-accountability.

[@adriandocherty778]

Why didn’t they do that in their own country??

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@adriandocherty778 Lack of opportunity to make the same decisions.

[@jdrmair]

David Seymour, YOU are Brilliant. keep it up.. cheers

[@davelyons7906]

Even in the face of completely biased questioning, David still nailed it.

[@ThereIsNoSubstitute]

I have to say after watching this clip, I now have more respect for David Seymour. Stay strong David. The country needs you !

[@susanpockett4314]

Somewhat to my surprise, as a result of this interview I have a great deal more respect for David Seymour than I did for his predecessors Roger Douglas and Rodney Hide.

[@Mellcula]

proud to be 1 of the 600 people that voted for ACT in my electorate!

[@Cathz-jy7ee]

$10 to $20 per week???!!! It doesn't even start to redress that local government ( Councils) are increasing rates 14% or so annually !!!

[@chrisallum9044]

Instead of complaining it's not enough how about you recognize you are already becoming better off than you were under the last government. Local government is local, vote local for that. Your area spent money they didnt have and now the bill has come due. Nothing to do with the current central government.

[@shweeb]

@@chrisallum9044 way to recognise that the return the majority of people will recieve will barely last due to the removal of other subsidies like public transport and pharmacy fees. to say so confidently that we are becoming better off under this government is simply disinformed or intentionally misguided.

[@thrasher10000]

That's like $960 per year, not insignificant for most people

[@hubristicmystic]

@@shweeb Mate, if you love state funded socialist "subsidies" go live in a socialist paradise like Venezuela or Cuba. Added benefit is you'll lose lots of weight.

[@dwee3005]

​@@chrisallum9044how are you better off when you have higher bills to pay and almost the same amount of money to pay them ? 1+1=3 according to you

[@boekish]

David you are awesome!!

[@philforde5871]

What Guyon missed was that some Maori offenders are more likely to be imprisoned because they are more likely to repeat offenders than non-Maori.

[@suniap3091]

Nice one Phil, so it's OK to keep this race based policy. Institutional racism is alive and well in NZ. This is inhumane and despicable.

[@poerava]

The recidivism rates are the same buddy. Did you pull that stat out of your bum? Wouldn’t that suggest the type of rehabilitation isn’t working. Maybe adopting what Sweden does.

[@jenifferschmitz8618]

how about white collar criminals

[@bevanhunter3613]

What has been missed is that white collar criminals stole this country and have never been brought to task over it. Te tiriti has never been honoured showing our country’s foundations are discrimination based on race with Māori being the target of asset theft. The real drivers of our social disfunction has a foundation in the theft of land which can be found in our legal history. Records are available. The tikanga of Māori burials has been forced on Māori through law this is not an evolution of tikanga. David is not an expert on tikanga.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Yeah, that's not true. The numbers show reoffending rates sit static among all races. You might want to ask what gave you the bias to claim that there are more repeat offenders due to race.

[@incubism]

Great conversation. David is a breathe of fresh air, in a leftoid vacuum.

[@DennisSmyth-j8e]

Im also Scottish, but I dont dance in a kilt like Im on the set of braveheart, brilliant

[@WashRite]

David Seymour makes so much sense

[@rossmacpherson986]

Talks about how the goverment added public service jobs during term, which makes sense considering the massive growth in population, and how they didnt improve outcomes.... so rather than doing what they criticize which is improve outcomes they cut jobs across the board which will most definitely not improve outcomes...

[@mierypesado6740]

Great format! Good job RNZ

[@firstkings99]

Guyon is capable of good interviews (see his James Shaw interview), but here he is just painful

[@mark561]

This was painful to watch - what is it with 'Journalists' in this country who a) interrupt when they get an answer they don't like and b) can't contain their own bias. The only saving grace is this comments section and the only reason these comments are up is because RNZ is petrified; given the recent layoffs in other media organisations. A shameful display!

[@spider-man910]

Wokecizm has taken over journalisizm ....

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

Journalists are suppost to challenge their guests

[@mark561]

@@Gary_oldmans_left_nut you can challenge people without being rude or oozing your own bias.

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

@@mark561 he was perfectly polite ya snowflake. Interruption is a necessary evil when dealing with politicians who often don't directly answer questions.

[@bazstraight8797]

I thought it was a pretty good interview, given the time constraint. Both Seymour and Espiner were polite and spoke with clarity.

[@akan5649]

Good work David. It felt a little bit like a personal attack on you at the end. Very uncomfortable to watch. I just so admire your ability to keep your cool and speak with such intelligence and logic.

[@logicalanswer3529]

100% correct. Guyon got so frustrated toward the end that he could not bait David into looking racist that he started losing it.

[@jodevonshirenz]

Saying MPs cant travel with no pay rise. What a joke. They sure as shite havent lost their perks for travel, accomodation etc.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

He didn't say that, he said if you reduce minsterial staff to pre 2017 levels you affect the ability for MP's to do their jobs. Unlike other departments that have had massive staff increases since 2017 with no improvements in their results. Don't let your bias over rule your ability to listen and understand, just like Guy did. Hopeless interview!

[@ZoroasterIII]

Except that he never said that.

[@stellymelly]

the green mp shaw had the highest air travel

[@watzup22]

I actually thought it was Luxon who spent the most of all the MPs

[@stellymelly]

@@watzup22 no way bro im pretty shore greens shaw has the most air travel in one year you know the one thats hates fossil fuel but love plane rides burning the stuff

[@logicalanswer3529]

I am glad someone like David is doing his best to move this country forward. The professional victims are in panic mode because they know that their gravy train is derailing.

[@Matikemai2040]

Nah mate it’s you that’s crying knowing you yt only world is crumbling 😂😂

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Matikemai2040 Thank you for proving my point with your mana-less behaviour.

[@Matikemai2040]

@@logicalanswer3529 😂😂😂 you agree to benefiting off the crowns criminal behaviour by stealing lands and resources yes? Your gravy train is over

[@ollie3548]

😂 shut up you racist

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Matikemai2040 Thank you for proving it again.

[@jamescavanagh1751]

NZ will be a better place when David Seymour is the Prime Minister!

[@W_Bin]

Trickle down has never worked. Trickle up has always worked. Look at Spain.

[@1112-g1x]

spain is dump, both systems can work but everybody in society has to be on board with the process

[@elliotchapman4367]

what about Spain? tell me more

[@W_Bin]

@@elliotchapman4367 look it up. Spain has best performing economy in Europe, and its socialist.

[@benfoster1018]

I mean... look anywhere

[@StarzPopzD]

Spain are economically struggling themselves

[@bobbuilder-h8b]

Mr Seymour for PM. equal rights for everyone is not divivise. maori racists are the problem not Mr Seymour.

[@T5choom]

This guy tried so hard to commit David to his agenda. Good luck buddy he is a fair bit smarter clearly

[@tanepukenga1421]

You're celebrating that a guy wasn't straight up... when all aspects of your life now relying on that person. Hey, I've got a bridge in london to sell you if you want.....

[@reubenpillsbury383]

I've yet to see a Seymour interview where he hasn't been gracious, thoughtful, knowledgable, tolerant and far more humane and impressive than the journalist. And yet, almost every journalist categorizes him and ridicules him as a bigot. Its lazy. Its inaccurate. Its biased.

[@alanbrooke144]

I’d like to know which race-based discriminatory policies Guyon Espiner and/or RNZ would like to keep.

[@flick2848]

Embarassing interview for Guyon.

[@luke2648]

Seymour is a class act.

[@evanpenny348]

Guyon, why not try to pick up on what David is trying to say instead of trying to simply pick holes in what he is saying to you?

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

Because he's a journalist?

[@bazstraight8797]

I think this just reflects the format of the interview. I presume Espiner went in with a set of prepared questions and maybe follow up questions dependent on Seymour's response. In a pressured interview situation actually engaging with the content of Seymour's responses is really hard.

[@fe6767]

We can also say: David, why not try to answer the questions instead of trying to simply dodge them. (and split infinitives)

[@drednorzt]

100% On almost every single question David rebukes the actual statistics, and responds with his own hypothetical scenario based on no statistics whatsoever.

[@geraldperyman6535]

Seymour is a Rogernomics fan,the real issue at the moment is the government is pulling the unemployment lever to curb inflation,increasing taxation would be less damaging to the social fabric .

[@mobbarley7517]

Increasing taxation won't lower inflation, not to mention unemployment will correct itself where as no government will reverse a tax hike. Tax rates are already far to high.

[@geraldperyman6535]

@@mobbarley7517 Tax rates after WW11 were a lot higher than contemporary rates,also in most western democracies,society was more equal,middle class bigger,inflation under control,crime rates lower,unemployment lower,the 80s neo liberalism created more problems than it was worth.

[@julianwarmington1267]

@@mobbarley7517 For the lowest 10-20%, sure, taxes are too high. For most of everyone else, especially the super filthy rich with heaps of investment properties and other assets and cash to burn: Hmm... i think they'd cope by finally paying a bit more to maintain that "social cohesion" Seymour feigned concern for in the first few minutes.

[@giltee626]

Hahahahaha

[@chrisallum9044]

Increasing taxes makes everyone poorer and increases inflation more. It would and in fact is currently being demonstrated as more damaging for the last two governments. Explain how taking more of peoples money away from them makes inflation go down when it literally puts up the costs of goods and services.

[@mrbr0skii923]

Let the man speak. Painful to watch the constant interruption. Why ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer?

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@julianwarmington1267]

If he actually gave answers of substance instead of irrelevant blather he'd be worth listening to.

[@mrbr0skii923]

@@julianwarmington1267 Tends to happen when people aren't allowed to finish their point. You get left wondering what they were saying.

[@raoulduke4806]

He keeps looking for a gotcha moment....but never gets it. Seymour wiped the floor with him...

[@christopherwalton1373]

Well done David, not taking the bait again 👍

[@chrisallum9044]

"can we afford tax cuts?" That question literally makes not sense. Taxes are a cost, you don't have to "afford" a reduction in cost, you need to afford increases in costs. You could ask would we be better off with less government spending/tax reduction but not "can we afford" them. Taxes ARE the thing we have to afford.

[@johnheadifen6836]

Can see why David is a political leader and Guyon is a new aged journalist

[@xorqwerty8276]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" - Martin Luther King

[@yingle6027]

RNZ employees are desperate to bring in race based policies, but most reasonable people with critical thinking skills see this as a dangerous path to go down. RNZ also talk about Maori as if they are all criminals and obese. So disrespectful.

[@1112-g1x]

thts right its called inverted racism, the elite left constantly engage in this type of patronizing rhetoric

[@navalfa7291]

Dont spill out the truth mate, they will ban the comment section.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

Martin Luther King Jr said it's better to solve inequality by class rather than race.

[@savagesaint4317]

@@kiwiyogi2846 How did that work out?

[@andrewlim9345]

I may not agree with Mr Seymour on a lot of things but I appreciate how well prepared and robust his arguments and counter-points are.

[@KINNZ94]

The presenter guy is just not smart enough to converse with David. He is just reading what he has prepared, so he is not able to respond to what David says about the issue. Just not able to think on the spot.

[@magamike1800]

Imagine Jacinda Ardern being questioned like this. Well done David, I have always been a fan, you just let me down so badly with the vaccine mandates.

[@francislcollier]

Guyon, why do you not ask any futher questions on any of the content of David's replies? It would be great if you would as it feels a bit like you just want to get back to your list. For me it made the conversation a bit dissonant to listen to.

[@karentorkar8256]

He goes back to the list when he was wrong and DS explains to him why.

[@joemahanga9640]

Because David answers the question with a question. If you would've listened to the way he answers, it's always with a question. No straight answers. He's been taught well while he was in Canada under the Atlas Network. Deflection and division is his game. It's sort of like the divide and conquer system of the English monarchy realm from the 15th century. Ask the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish about that. By the way, most of his people of Ngati Rehia don't like him. True story.

[@francislcollier]

​@@joemahanga9640 Are you saying that: "Guyon doesn't ask any further questions on any of the content of David's replies because David answers the question with another question" Because if that is what you're saying then I don't understand the logic. Could you elaborate?

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@francislcollier It's pretty clear. When he's pushed on a line of questioning, he starts repeating questions and asking his own. It's a common debate tactic they teach in high school, my kid has it in her debate club this year. Look at his "Why don't poor people vote in act", where he repeats the question, asks one of his own and attempts to blame the asker for him not answering. It's supposed to be used to give the answerer time to think, but Seymour uses it more to change subject. The same way he never answered why poor people don't vote for act or the follow up question, why don't Maori vote for act.

[@francislcollier]

@@tanepukenga1421 Are you saying that Guyon doesn't go into any more depth with his questions because David uses this debate tactic?

[@EpicTyme]

Thank goodness for David Seymour.

[@ostenvind]

Wow that was embarrassing for Guyon

[@racingescorts6976]

Guyson this wasnt an interview to find out about what great things David Seymour is doing. This is just your one sided interogation according to your biased opinion. He gave you good answers and you never acknowledged one them.

[@tanepukenga1421]

He's not a child, and shouldn't need a "good job!" or a "What a smart little boy!" after every question, nong.

[@cyrillawless]

He is charging him with questions trying to fluster him but David is to good for that 😂 You must admit, David knows his stuff.

[@wendyhicks5685]

He's a cocky little prick who doesn't know his stuff and lacks experience and empathy.

[@henryhollis4287]

Have you seen him on Breakfast with Chloe? Every single time she destroys him with facts, research and common sense. So much so that he has stopped trying to compete with her and openly mocks twhat she brings to the discussion. His talking points simply dont work against someone who has the receipts.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Is that why nearly everyone constantly proves him wrong?

[@cyrillawless]

@@henryhollis4287 strange every time I see him with her he makes her look stupid. We must be watching on different days😂

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@cyrillawless Or you're just sexist and willing to ignore her verified facts for his "vibes". In this exact interview you "watched" he said "no" to not borrowing for tax cuts, seconds later it was "yeah, we have, but-!". Talk about cringe. Wanna tell us the sky is green now?

[@jorgieporgie1000]

David Seymour. A true Gentleman. Thank you for your service!!

[@tanepukenga1421]

....to the ATLAS foundation.

[@wakachang7543]

is Guyon a bit slow?

[@suenicholas4510]

He's thick..!!

[@drednorzt]

I think he was in shock with how farsical Davids answers were.

[@wakachang7543]

@@drednorzt care to elaborate?

[@RicoTV666]

David what a showman 🎉

[@Neo_Red_Pill]

We stand with David Seymour

[@tanepukenga1421]

Attacking Maori and trying to strip them of everything... again.

[@andrewkiwi100]

KZbin comments proving to be a cesspit as usual. I thought this was a really interesting and engaging interview from both David and Guyon. Looking forward to seeing what this series has next!

[@smallkinedings]

Wow, so this is what happens when a mainstream tv host tries out a podcast setting? This is the most abnormal conversation, do you have ADD? Quit interrupting, quit changing the subjet every 12.4 seconds and just have a normal conversation...

[@angelahacche739]

Espiners' political bias is on show for all to see. He's reading through his list of partisan questions like a robot .😂

[@Duckz558]

Don’t they all?

[@jaybill392]

LET SEYOUUR ANSWER GUY INTERRUPTER

[@howardlee5235]

It’s great to see journalists been tough only on ACT party, but they always play softball for lefty parties 😂

[@CITA7687]

I think Guyon's most important question was why is David pursuing the TOW reforms when there are so many other important issues facing the country and Maori. Then he allowed David to go off on an unrelated tangent rather than get a clear answer to the question. Must say, David Seymours coaching has been impeccable. Not surprising when you understand the amount of serious money that has been channelled into shutting down indigenous voices all over the world. David is the result of millions, if not billions, of dollars of industrial polluters research.

[@susanpockett4314]

PS: But I don't think much of Guyon Espiner. He should learn to SHUT UP. Things have changed larely, Mr Espiner. Your approach is why the legacy media are dying.

[@Gutbucket55]

Seymour is an astute man , Espinor comesacross as a petulant child !

[@blusheen378]

This coalition has done a lot in a very short time, like 4 months or so. I can't recall any government work that hard in the past. Let's see the results nearing 3 years time, many feel positive with what they're doing or have happened. Hard work with the correct mindset usually brings a great harvest, as the wise often say.

[@thesquire6352]

what have they done? rents are rising despite the great idea to give landlords tax breaks, school truancy is increasing just after the free lunches get taken away, 55 000 unskilled overseas workers came to nz to work (sending all their money back home) leaving unskilled kiwis on the benefit which has increased by 10 000 in march alone, people are losing their jobs while politicians get pay rises, the anti maori tension in this country is the highest ive seen it in my lifetime and all that and more in just 6 months. unless you are wealthy the future is looking more and more bleak for the average person on less than 60k per year, which would be most of us. hard times are coming and its disheartening

[@lilyfuzz1]

putting people on struggle street will just send them to Aus to get the social assention he speaks of.

[@KINNZ94]

What is wrong with this presenter?? He is not ready or willing to have a conversation at all. He is already determined to undermine David. The presenter is not listening to David, not responding to what he says. The presenter just keeps pushing his talking points and totally ignores what David has to say about each point. It is such a shame.

[@Kiwibacon619]

Breathe of fresh air to have a politician with some critical thinking in a land where it seems the average person is getting more simple and clueless.

[@henkmagnetic3103]

Insufficient funding from successive governments. Only the well-heeled have the luxury of having a clue. His critical thinking has seen its best before date.

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@logicalanswer3529]

Well put.

[@1112-g1x]

@@henkmagnetic3103 i think the issue is inefficient govt agencys, tht havent delivered its amazing how much rope the left wing voter gives the public sector

[@bkldaskdfsjjdsa]

Gives me hope!!

[@adsdft585]

ACT can not say why in 1970 university was 100% government funded but it is not now.

[@giltee626]

Why don’t you ask them because even I know the answer to that??

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@giltee626 What is the answer?

[@Thatsjustlikeuhmyopinionman]

@@kiwiyogi2846 User pays was introduced in the late 1980s under the fourth Labour government.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@Thatsjustlikeuhmyopinionman Yes, Richard Prebble and Roger Douglas were in that Labour govt and then started ACT. Why wouldn't they know what happened?

[@craigaicken2409]

Hardly any one use to go,didn’t cost country as much. I think to many go these days.There we’re a lot of work around when the UK took a lot of NZ produce

[@stevehughes1510]

Cheers Guyon, what an insightful interview, not confrontational as such, good discussion, informative. I like David's views and your own interviewing style, always have, you're looking for answers rather than 'gotcha' moments, very refreshing indeed well done. !!

[@freezing5]

So why should people be extatic about the $20 a month tax cut, while funding landlords' $1,000+ interest on mortgage?

[@chrisjenkins324]

Well done, Guyon! Tough questions but mainly giving your guest the space to outline there ideas. Journalism as it should be practiced. Really appreciated this interview. More of this style, please.

[@adsdft585]

The previous parliament passed a law not grant themselves a salary increase. This one is different!

[@MaxSpeedNZ]

The previous government borrowed $62 billion, which pales in comparison to a few salary raises by politicians.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@MaxSpeedNZ And kept your ass employed while doing so and save tens of thousands of kiwi lives. Then you monsters threatened Ardern's kids over it.

[@whatthe6532]

You need to do more research before commenting. MP s haven’t had an increase in a long time.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@whatthe6532 Yeah, six years. When the previous parliament chose to enact a payrise freeze. That's kinda the point, the last government thought it was douchey to increase their already top tier pay, this considers it an entitlement.

[@whatthe6532]

@@tanepukenga1421 I suggest you tell your employer that you won’t be wanting a pay increase for the next 6 years. Doing your bit to help your employer and the country.

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

Everything in NZ is about race. Those who propagate it are journalists like this one.

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@jamescooper-hope6930]

Feel free to leave anytime you want.

[@DiamondTaimana]

Ko tētahi wāhanga o te kōrero kōrero Karauna ko te whakapono ki a mātau ko Te Tiriti i waenganui i Māori me te Karauna, a, koia i rua ai te tiriti. Ehara i te mea - i waenganui i te hapu (hei whakahaere i a rātau anō i roto i to rātau ake matau) me te Karauna ie. he tiriti huarahi i waenganui i te ariki o MULTIPLE, i a ia anō rānei e whakatau ana i nga tāngata.

[@logicalanswer3529]

That is because he is a professional victim.

[@johnnygoggles6427]

​@@jamescooper-hope6930yeah and people have been, more in the last year than ever before, you must be very happy about that

[@morgan_kemp]

Guyon, rule 101 with interviewing: ask open ended questions and not closed ones. I don't think this show will stack up well with Jack Tame's Q+A if you ask too many closed questions

[@tanepukenga1421]

Wow. Way to miss the point of a "Timed" interview format. Was this a case of ignorance, or more trolling? Since it's literally part of the segments title after all....

[@TheMarathonomahos]

Guyons bias is obvious when you compare this interview with the James Shaw one.

[@RoboSpeno]

Great interview 👍

[@nickbuchanan9158]

Why poor people don't vote for act? Because they vote for Labour and the parties which give them more hand outs.

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@jamescooper-hope6930]

Engineering a recession for tax cuts to bludging landlords? Corporate socialism. Rules for thee, not for me.

[@DiamondTaimana]

He pūkete riu e mōhiotia ana e david mo te māka i nga waru taketake i mahia e ia ki te iwi tuatahi o te kānata i runga i to rātau ake whenua, tērā pea ka tāpiritia e au he aha te pāpāringa. Ka kainga hoki ia i te wa pai.

[@thesquire6352]

because act do nothing to help poor people. thats why they dont vote for act. its plain as day

[@mh4485]

Shut up you retard.

[@falman-5653]

So we are sacking 10s of 10000s . And borrowing 15billion so that I can save 20 dollars on my mortgage? While they get a pay rise and pay landlords 3billions.? Wow.. incompetent clowns

[@johnnygoggles6427]

There's no arguing with someone with your level of understanding lol

[@falman-5653]

Than explain to me how can they sack1000s to save money. Deny police decent pay rises "to save money" while expecting them to be harder on crime. Meanwhile they get a pay rise and billions spend to landords. By the way luxon owns 7 off. A back bencher is getting 100 plus per week.you and I are getting a less than 20 per week. And your telling me im stupid? Haha.

[@Duckz558]

That’s a numb 🧠er pay rise while the rest of the population struggles suppose to be the people first job description?

[@hubristicmystic]

​@@falman-5653 Sorry, the person getting a 20 per week tax cut is replaceable, the 100 per week person has lucrative international options. Jealousy is a dangerous political strategy.

[@falman-5653]

​ @hubristicmystic and you think i give a s if they got lucrative international options? why the f would i be jealous of them:? we put them up there to work for us not some greedy corporate ball heads who doesn't give a s about the average new zealanders. They are just a bunch clowns who only think about filling there pockets and there rich friends. The funny thing is , they are doing it right infront of your face. We put them up there to serve us, not the other way around. and so far you and i are doing just that. you are just too stupid to see it..

[@jgh131]

I like David and Guyon as normal dudes, should be 120 with Guyon, Long form is better.

[@leofromthefire]

We poor people do support ACT. Fix Your questions and motives RNZ

[@JoshKalderimis]

Guyon, thank you for running such an amazing interview, and for keeping him on track and making sure he really answers the question. This is fantastic journalism. David is a master of deflection and asking his own 'questions'.

[@Go_Home_British_Raj]

Yes Guyon is good. I think we all really need to hear greater noise about The Atlas Network etc before they try to tip the scales to violence like they incited in South American for profit.

[@akan5649]

You have to be joking

[@bobbuilder-h8b]

guyon didnt even let David answer. such a biased interviewer. like u josh it seems.unwilling to hear another point of view keeps u ignorant.

[@johnnyp3161]

Guyon is so far left, I'm surprised he can balance on a chair.

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Left? Not entirely effective, but left? More like wooly

[@NZZN666]

You could say the same with David and being right...

[@adsdft585]

Economist will tell that assets used in production income depreciate in value. Land is different in nature.

[@adsdft585]

Data and evidence. ACT often talk and do not list ( say) what evidence is.

[@YoCalmYaFarm]

They also have a habit of saying ‘I spoke to a person just the other day and ……’

[@MattS242]

Not really a big Seymour fan but this flog interviewer really drove me up the wall! Amateur hour

[@TAGWAO-zi8fi]

I may like david now after that attack at the end

[@titiwhai]

The role of government is to maximise the well-bein of NZrs (not to leave it to global markets)

[@adsdft585]

Before deregulation of the banking system, the money supply was smaller, and people could not borrow for houses from trading banks. The effect changed house prices as people could borrow more to meet the price asked.

[@joshb6993]

I've often wondered about that. Makes sense

[@bernardliddington2633]

He redifines terms to suit his own bias and then points out what he says is the truth.

[@tanepukenga1421]

"Maori die cause they all live rurally!"/"Locking up Maori more often than other races helps stopping the from becoming victims!" And people take this guy seriously.

[@StGammon77]

But as David pointed out many times the Maori institutes have been doing it for 40 years we've just habitually got used to the fraud

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@StGammon77 Once - which was shown by the court records. Ngati Tama, one of NZ's most well known cases because it's the only one of it's kind

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@StGammon77 See, since David purposefully leave it out, you might want to google how Iwi decisions are made and how their funds are kept and dished out. You'd find a lot of what he talks about hasn't been possible since the 90's - nearly 30 years ago now. The model is completely different because of that theft case

[@skiman828]

Guy, why do you not give david the courtesy of answering your question. I think you are a very rude interviewer.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Because he lied and anyone who looked up the subjects know exactly how much he's lying. If Guy wants a job, he can't call him out on it as rudely as you or I would. After all, one of his answers was "Maori do crime cause they all live out in the regions!" If you believed that, you're an idiot. To someone informed like Guyon, who HAS read the stats, it would be as annoying as a kid with chocolate all over their face saying they didn't eath your birthday cake. It's annoying, but is it worth confronting when they only have XX amount of minutes?

[@eileenpritchard2721]

Well done David. What an awful interviewer I'm surprised that the interviewee didn't walk off

[@tanepukenga1421]

What's well done about lying about crime stats?

[@curtisdavies7424]

Awsome David, Deputy Chief soon and eventually Chief .

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

So good to see NZ programming like this on KZbin. All news media here should be the same.

[@AaornkEnt]

Like this format of open conversation

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Funny how he lumps all nz together when it suits him. Yet we are NOT all in the same boat. The working class is not in with the middle class, it should be illegal to to make passive income even while you sleep.

[@mitchellwahl3254]

You must be a big fan of Karl Marx. Workers controlling everything. Why would anybody pay money to build a factory if they couldn't profit from it? Why would anybody spend years inventing something if they couldn't profit from it? Why would anyone work hard if everyone gets paid the same? Please remind me how the communist experiment worked...