David Seymour: Welfare, crime, and ACT’s lost candidates | Q+A 2023

ACT leader David Seymour joins Q+A to discuss his party’s policies on welfare and criminal justice reforms, along with questions about why five candidates have stood down from the party’s list
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[@Si-hz5tw]

people forget what prisons are actually for, its not just for punishing people, its for keeping good people safe from bad people. lots of young people wear it as a badge of honor going to prison and comng out wiht better criminal expertise they picked up in prison. its shit man. the whole prison system sucks but i dont think its the answer for them to be out in public

[@adrianhughes5693]

bring back hard labour and rehabilitation then' 2 things will happen other than them getting fit' they wont want to go back and they will have access to learning life skills, just a choice on how they use them once they get out but i can garentee if they a breaking rocks by hand 7 hours a day instead of lying about in their cells watching tv getting fat it wont be so attractive to risk going back.

[@Ronny.81]

Yep do the crime do the time ,don't put these people on ankle bracelets where they can harm more people in society.

[@kitty2527]

In Singapore, drug addicts do not go prison, they go into drug rehab centres and they engaged the families, societies to steer them back onto the right path, some actually continue studying when in the rehab cos the home is not ideal and companies has trainee programmes so that they can learn a skill, landscaping, baking, cooking.... actally the individual choice is very important, they have to feel the urge to not waste their lives in this matter, some turn over when they saw their friends died of an overdose or jump off while high on drugs. So that individual have to make that choice to turn around but giving them money to keep them addicted is sending a wrong message.

[@mvb88]

Best way to avoid re offending is to make prisons that bad. People don't wanna go back. Leave 2 beds and 1 toilet but have 10 people in the 1 cell to shear the 2 beds. Give guards the right to put prisons in their place with a batten or a gun with live rounds. You don't go to prison and get the same rights as law-abiding citizens. A few broken ribs will remind a inmate that they are a criminal and in jail.

[@dangerrayy]

​@@mvb88i don't actually think thats true. Just makes people tougher and more desperate. Im guessing but i reckon the hardest prisons in the world are filled to the brim

[@kabih1904]

These interviews w Jack dropping are like my Christmas Day

[@hwm2024]

Agree 😎

[@auser-xt5hy]

Sorry, what on earth does that mean? But there you have it, currently the top comment?? Personally, I think Mr Seymour was very cool, calm and collected and dealt to Tame's provocative shallow nonsense well.

[@kingfillins4117]

That is a man who apologised for government tyranny and disinformation and attacks politicians who oppose that tyranny and disinformation. Seymour should have supported his candidate. An outspoken Jewish survivor, said herself that the mandates were similar to the strategy of the Nazis. Make no mistake.That was the NZ Labour Party.

[@kingfillins4117]

@@Perpetual.Try using your words.

[@rohanbotica9920]

nerd

[@liamhackston2507]

Dislike act immensely but credit where its due - unlike luxon & winston, seymour fronted the music, actually answered the question and was generally honest. Credit where it's due, this was a good interview

[@gordon6052]

I don’t agree with any of their policies and don’t love Seymour as a person, but this was a good interview. He did a great job of not avoiding things he wasn’t sure about, and actually answering questions to the best of his ability. Luxon on the other hand…

[@jtonline99]

Yeah I don’t like Seymour either, but he ran rings around Nicola Wills and her bs the other day also

[@MattyBones]

Yup, he conducted himself really well.

[@berniefynn6623]

He spelt Cat KAT HOW did he get to be air NZ CEO????????????

[@michelledavies2197]

Luxon avoids all questions, he is hiding something.

[@omaerep]

i dont like the guys much at all either just more of the same shiit we have had over the last 25 years and that's why N.Z are here today...but i see you agree we should pay bumms for doing nothing You stated you like agree with anything he says..> surely you don't want to pay a bumm who like to sponge off everyone else..> then again maybe you do.

[@kareymartin]

100 percent agree with David. On the Frontline, I see day in and day out that people do take advantage of taxpayer money. Jack argues that the likes of them do not live in luxury. Well Jack- nor do the working people who are paying for it all!

[@peterswatton7400]

I wonder what the gold plated parliamentary pensions cost the country.

[@user-uz7of5sc2q]

A whole lot less than we pay the great unwashed 😜

[@mannedhandle]

That's another thing that should go but then what will happen is that MPs will tend to be richer than they currently are and people will bellyache about rich people and oligarchies.

[@kingsinge1324]

David the only MP that would support reducing his own benefits

[@adriandocherty778]

Exactly!! If they get another job outside of being a politician and earn too much it should be cut off just like the benefits!!

[@viviennejjackson1838]

That and free travel should be scraped. Just think of all the money that is used by past and presant Parliament workers .all the past Prime ministers and Deputys down. Is Ardern traveling free still.

[@coffeechatsandwalks3976]

David's so rational he defends his positions without breaking into emotional responses, unlike other politicians. He stays calm and collected against adversarial dialogue. You can't trigger him

[@bigwheelercenisfeeler8880]

That's because he's on the autistic spectrum.

[@ZaneLike]

He definitely has Psychopath vibes

[@aotearoa4life]

Hes a racist idiot

[@whatimdoing1378]

You can tell he supports tax evasion though. As long as it's a business, he doesn't really care what they do

[@Bruiser223]

@@ZaneLike because he can have a debate without getting emotional?

[@bartengelsman280]

David Seymour is totally right drug addicts need to be encouraged to change their behaviour

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Dont tell Chippy.

[@brendonmadden-smith]

what evidence is there that ACTs solution (remove financial support) actually works?

[@bartengelsman280]

Drug addicts are “hooked” on substances that are illegal, they need strong support to extract them from this. The victim is the addict who is not strong enough, or have the resources to go clean, so they need strong comprehensive support to achieve their goal, and depriving them of the financial means to support their habit, by force if needed for their own good.

[@brendonmadden-smith]

@bartengelsman280 yet Seymour openly admits the the benefit can't support the habit

[@Umtata64]

How is he planning to support people and treat their stress and/or addiction

[@Peter-kk6rg]

$48 million would be better spent on Drug Rehabilitation Centers

[@corogirl88]

So true. The wait times to get into rehab are very high. A much more positive approach

[@Scott_Bradbury]

Doesn't make sense though. You take that 48 Million away from paying those people, and put it into a drug rehabilitation center you get one building that won't house a 1/10 of the people, while the people are all left with nothing.

[@Peter-kk6rg]

@@Scott_Bradbury What gets me is only 22 people convicted at a cost of $50million who stole $2million that's cost $2.2million per conviction.

[@johnr3150]

I see Act want to have a referendum on the Treaty Principles also. About damn time!.

[@TheThermlav8or]

Excellent interview. Feet held to fire as should be.. Tremendous policy based answers. Sounds like future PM to me👍

[@aotearoa4life]

Pervs

[@FlatUranusSociety]

Agreed

[@Matthew-zv8qe]

Good interview. People might not like it when he pushes back on your “team” but he does it for everyone.

[@aotearoa4life]

Perv party

[@j6077xxd]

Yeah he's fair.

[@francesbrown850]

Seymour is a prat. Rude, condescending and unpleasant. See other interviews.

[@blair7053]

Those that want criminals out of jail, take them to your homes to live with you. Simple

[@LauraTeAhoWhite]

Is ACT going to address white collar crime with the same vigour or is David going to help those guys out with tax cuts?

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Go the ACT Party.A party with balls

[@kyoteybear9439]

​@@LauraTeAhoWhite Is white collar crime the reason we have ram raids, or violence and intimidation from gangs that promote drug use?

[@3Kiwiana]

Great idea, David should have told this guy he needs to adopt his criminals that he supports so dearly.

[@mitchelljohnston6366]

​@@kyoteybear9439Nah, just costing our economy approximately 9.4 billion dollars a year.

[@bkldaskdfsjjdsa]

David is the best speaking politician for sure. Good policies as well!! Time for real change

[@davil2566]

Totally agree, we can't reward bad behaviour it gives them the incentive to continue that behaviour. We need to look after the people that do good in society and societies overall behaviour will adjust. Good on you Seymour.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Go David Seymour and the ACT PARTY.

[@whatimdoing1378]

Millions spent on social benefits for those worst off in the country, BAD. Billions lost to tax evasion, GOOD.

[@diyguru9677]

Tax evaders do good? Really?

[@Thenakedbakerchannel]

Being on a benefit bored out of your mind becuase your too sick to work a consistent job isn't a happy life. Most people would love to work like me who was a trade baker for 20 years but due to health had to keep taking too much time off work, and with the waiting times for health there isn't much I can do.

[@whatimdoing1378]

@@Thenakedbakerchannel I agree, you're punished enough already when you're on the benefit by having lower than minimum wage. That's already a massive incentive to get a job if you are able to. Seymour is just trying to create a monster he can slay, to win votes. Instead of going after billions in tax evasion he wants to go after a few million by stomping on those already beaten down.

[@danielxbox28]

Why is no one bringing up the fact , that 170,000 people have entered the country in the past year!. We have been crying for houses , and complaining about hospital shortages? And then Hamilton and Rotorua combined have immigrated here, don't even start on the Traffic and infrastructure required for this amount of people !. Does not make sense. Rents are going up ! we still have "Skill Shortage" despite this number of people entering !

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

You can thank the Nats for that when they were in government, selling state houses, letting foreign buyers in to buy up property, either making them rentals, or leaving them empty in investment. There were less social houses at the end of Key's term than there were before it.

[@danielxbox28]

@@HenrythePaleoGuy Nats started it , Labour also put it on Steroids !! Despite initially saying they would cut it down to 30K. It's a deliberate thing to push wages down I feel.

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@danielxbox28 Where and with what policies? Labour heavily limited foreign home buying, btw. Labour is deeply flawed too, that's why I'm not a supporter of them, but they're a damn lot better than NACt who will sell us off to China and put us into debt for scraps.

[@JaydenDCampbell]

Semour vs Tame got me more hyped than a UFC PPV

[@bobbya2622]

Sadly, jack lame didn't stand a chance. RIP

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Tame always tries to dominate the interview.

[@petertheobald9624]

Finally the Journalists are being Journalists again - they took a break there from 2017 till now....

[@NipponKiwi]

Jack is a good old fashion leftie!

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Nothing new here.

[@Hori.tiki.tours.]

What about those that have criminal convictions. They try,try,try, apply for jobs, who go to interviews , but still get turned away because of there. Convictions..(history)?? Msd dont help them??? I know alot of boys in this situation???

[@hira4369]

Would young Jack challenge the policies of te pati maori or the greens like this????

[@barrys1girl]

He did one with Te Pati Māori last week and I sat and laughed the whole way through it. Hilarious, Rawiri giggled like a school kid. Best comedy I have seen in years.

[@user-uz7of5sc2q]

Please don’t compare Rawiti to a school kid. He is not yet up to that level, and I doubt he ever will be.

[@stephenlennon7369]

But ACT got the wealthy elite on his side why do you think they had election signs plastered all ova the country 2 months before the election? He needs to be scrutinized because he advocates against the most vulnerable in our society not so much the wealthy.

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

how hard is it to match someone getting money on welfare and getting paid from employment at the same time it should show on IRD data. It should show on the data "JIM BOB" getting two in comes 1 from unemployment welfare and 1 from employment. The crime is why did it cost 50 million of the taxpayers money to investigate

[@kingsinge1324]

50 mill is a drop in the bucket to ensure we not getting ripped off. Its like paying for insurance or getting a builders report before purchase

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

No its not when it can put into the IRD system for almost noting. 50 million to get back 2.5 million whos robbing who?. @@kingsinge1324

[@adriandocherty778]

@@kingsinge1324bro I’m no mathematician but spending 50 to findout 2.5 was also taken sounds more like the rain drops the past year Nz been having!!🤦🏽‍♀️

[@adriandocherty778]

Pay for bail and a good lawyer to get out of jail even!!🤷🏽🤷🏽

[@kingsinge1324]

@@adriandocherty778 it's 0.07% of tax revenue

[@jaybee007]

Clicked on the One News article on hecklers at the Act party launch, and guess what? Comments turned off! Clearly they can't face any criticism of their one-eyed reporting. Good response from David Seymour, just a pity Q&A cannot find a reporter who is really interested in the other person's point of view.

[@thestoicwhinger]

Any journalism that removes the opportunity for discourse is a red flag, unfortunately most of our msm do this. Disgraceful

[@Thenakedbakerchannel]

How about stop spending tax payer money on flash hotels, foods ect lead by example stay at a cheap hostel and eat 2 minute noodles or spend your own money.

[@edwinbacon7187]

50 million dollars spent to root out 2.3 million dollars of benefit fraud. Not a worthy use of money, and Seymour would probably double that figure.

[@1970brenz]

Maybe though in the long-term it would discourage fraud so over time millions get saved.

[@cpnurseries]

WINZ only prosecuted a small number of people for benefit fraud, yes, but there are thousands of people who were not prosecuted.... a better question would be how much were overpayments to beneficiaries by MSD because of false declarations by their clients.... the results would be staggering..... I know - I worked there for a long time. MSD are actively discouraged from prosecuting. Since I left there, I worked in the court - and there are almost NO MSD prosecutions. It's just crazy. If any do proceed to prosecution, they almost always get community detention - that is, a night time curfew, which they 'serve' whilst they are asleep!

[@rexlandy2996]

Depends on govt: Natscum prosecuted a woman repeatedly for a debt 'because she might win Lotto' was their defence. True story. And Wendy Shoebridge killed herself over a false claim by WINZ that she owed them money. They are disgusting.

[@kingfillins4117]

A Jewish saviour did compare the vaccine mandates with concentration camps. She said it was comparable. Why that’s not an obvious realisation says a lot about people that apologise for government/state tyranny.

[@grantosullivan7548]

Jack, let your interviewee finish their answers.

[@linlaoshi7898]

The interruptions are annoying as f

[@DaParty3473]

Crime aint going anywhere

[@Bruiser223]

criminals will be going to jail at least if act get in

[@blairbeattie3308]

He’s got my vote

[@IanWrigleyNZ]

Jack and Rachel have become infuriatingly annoying as interviewers. It's about them and their opinions rather than letting the person speak. As if reporters are political experts suddenly. 55 million reasons I guess.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Exactly.

[@adsdft585]

Remember, if tax evasion was reduced by 1/2. GST could be reduced.

[@gary3074]

I suspect you mean avoidance not evasion…

[@seanstenton7660]

Go Winston

[@Millektm]

Loser !

[@sshutupurface8345]

party politics is the real problem instead of having a government doing everything right they either for the poor or for the rich its sickening, elect individuals for all minister positions based on merit not political affiliation, also let them elect a leader amongst themselves, and aloow the public to fire minister who don't perform on quick referendums every 3 months

[@stevebest2628]

Times this Guy should disengage the Jaw, And by the way you held your ground David,

[@adsdft585]

Tax Evasion. This a criminal act. What action will Act take against tax EVASION? Remember, tax evasion is a bad habit. TAX EVASION is an immoral Act.

[@margaretpowell5447]

Nothing which is wrong. Billions a year lost.

[@pauljones3062]

Ngai Tahu & Tainui are worth billions & Pay NO tax as are trusts & this must go & level the playing field ( incl Sanitarium)

[@kyoteybear9439]

Actually a trady doing cash work for someone, might mean that they can afford to get the job done not having gst on it. And the cash finds its way through the economy when the tradie spends it anyway. So mire cash enters the economy due to people being able to afford to spend it without gst.

[@hughheeney3554]

Make tax levels lower therefore tax evasion becomes unecomoinic

[@jackiejackie3183]

@@pauljones3062 Iwi trusts are typically established to advance the collective interests of Maori tribes or communities. They are established in compliance with New Zealand's legal and regulatory framework. They are subject to oversight by relevant authorities and must adhere to legal requirements, including tax laws. While they may enjoy certain tax exemptions or deductions related to their charitable or community-oriented activities, their primary purpose is not tax avoidance. When a wealthy individual uses a trust to avoid paying taxes, the primary purpose is to reduce their personal tax liability and protect their assets. They exploit legal loopholes or engage in aggressive tax planning strategies that reduce their tax liability. In some cases, these strategies may push the boundaries of tax laws or even cross into tax evasion, which is illegal.

[@ThereIsNoSubstitute]

David. Bring back the three strikes law. Crime is out of control in NZ after Labour in power for 6 years.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Thats why there is going to be a change in government.About bloody time.

[@diyguru9677]

Overall NZ crime stats are down but there's been a rise in youth and retail crime. Tax evasion is estimated to be costing the NZ economy up to $7B per anum but rarely rates a mention.

[@aotearoa4life]

Can Act bring back law for releasing name supression for perverts

[@andreatodd3095]

Yes three strikes and you're in prison, I used to like that policy ...now I'm thinking, go to prison the first time, get rehap underway sooner so they don't do crimes the second or third time.

[@edwinbacon7187]

The overall stats are down when compared to National's time in power. Ask yourself, why do facts and figures not mean anything anymore?

[@nathanbombardo]

Great interview from David Seymour

[@Thenakedbakerchannel]

Being on a benefit bored out of your mind becuase your too sick to work a consistent job isn't a happy life. Most people would love to work like me who was a trade baker for 20 years but due to health had to keep taking too much time off work, and with the waiting times for health there isn't much I can do

[@thestoicwhinger]

I'm in a similar situation (self employed until recent health issues) but unfortunately most people tar you with the same brush

[@1970brenz]

Well... maybe they need some focus on helping people find even small roles that can take limits into account???

[@Thenakedbakerchannel]

@@1970brenz I can't do jack shit. Can't concentrate because of pain. Think about killing myself everyday. Yes some people are able to do limited work not everyone. These people put all beneficiaries in the same boat like we are scum. If they had euthensia clinics I would happily relieve the world of my scumness

[@dayligs]

I had considered giving Act my vote but I'm not so sure after this interview. It seems one can discredit themselves when criticizing Benefit fraud but having no policy in place to combat tax evasion, it's also a little comical when the discussion is followed by tightening up on crime.

[@mobbarley7517]

He's a trash career politician, there's no logic or common sense it's dog whistle all the way

[@Umtata64]

He says that people will get off benefits if supported to heal their addictions but he's not willing to fund the support required for treating addiction or stress.

[@redpink9773]

It's almost as if they are two completely seperate issues, with two completely seperate answers

[@user-gt1ik5ml7z]

I agree with this, this is guy is clear on moral issues and being accountable for our own action.

[@adsdft585]

Deputy leader said they would scrap Fees freeze for students,scrap food in school, scrap first home buyers payment, and Act would pause payments to the super fund.( said during the Tamaki electorate debate).

[@nikkster01]

and raise poor part time workers wages tax rate from 10% to 17% spend $1 billion on prison time/space/vindictive punishment and worst of all ignore climate change because it doesnt exist

[@whatimdoing1378]

And do nothing to combat tax evasion, but pick on and cut social benefits for the people in already the worst position imaginable in this country

[@Bruiser223]

@@whatimdoing1378 why are you guys so worried about act not having any particular policy going after tax evasion? labour could have done this the last 6 years if it was such a big deal?

[@dayligs]

@@Bruiser223 It was bought into the discussion during the Q&A. It is odd David will focus on Welfare fraud but not Tax fraud in any way.

[@TheAtheistRealist]

All great ideas

[@user-dv6rr5ld4m]

Yes crime done which affects the victims I totally agree with David. It should be addressed no person deserves that treatment and then the perpertrators walk free some with no consequences. Under this government the Justice System has done a poor Job in regards to this. Hopefully if there is a New Government it will do better and I believe they will.

[@cliffphps7447]

I love how gullible act supporters are. This is the same clown that also refused to listen to protesters. When public servants no longer listen to the public, then they dont deserve their positions. The only competent vote is a vote in no competence..

[@clarkdef]

It's well known that supporting drug deals and beneficiaries actual improves the social jobs in this country that you generally have to get a degree for, there is a local economy for it, teachers, graduates and office workers that spend their earnings at the supermarket. I know it seems morally wrong, but to count to 10 you need 1. However if everyone gets addicted to drugs AND you have no social workers, then you are in trouble, so how would you have social workers to start with if you didn't have a minority drug users?

[@debh7386]

Jack Tame took it easier on David Seymour than he did Chris Luxon last week … clearly showing his political bias . .. 🤔🥴 Roll on October 14 . David Seymour is very skilled in this type of interviewing & kept JT in his place.. maybe he needs to give Chris Luxon a few tips! 😊

[@Pinkpenguinsausage]

He didn't take it easier on Seymour. Seymour trounced him, ran rings around him and had the good grace to not rub it in

[@stephenlaurence8650]

How many policies need changing David, for your shared government with National to deliver the social contract with a balanced budget. I suggest with NZ's current debt level you will have to change a hack of a lot to stop growing the debt, never mind paying "any of the debt off"!

[@k1m625]

NZ the land where common sense polices no longer exist .....helping someone hurt them selves is not help

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Whats common sense in this day and age.Dont tell the Labour Party.

[@RSS819]

Jack lame is no match for Seymour butts!

[@julianhall7828]

Why oh why does Jack Tame insist on the interruptive style of interview?! Every platform you like you can read people complaining about it. Jack, let the interviewee respond to your questions!

[@rshgfromthe0346]

Lets not forget who gave the mosque shooter his gun license ... nz police lol

[@moanastyles6616]

I have been streesd for 20 years of working and I still pay tax

[@moanastyles6616]

Stressed sorry

[@user-vo3mv9rb6u]

If a benefit wont fund a drug addiction, why is he using the logic that cutting a benefit will force them into positive life changes. If the benefit doesn't fund drugs, it funds life - and he wants to cut a benefit of those with addiction issues (scientifically literature suggests that this is often caused by trauma, genetic predisposition or societal stressors). So effectively, his solution to welfare recipients with drug addictions is; make drugs more of an option to reduce stress, or force them into mania by restricting their access to basic necessities. This dude is a size 22 clown shoe.

[@leannewilliams5158]

PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK.

[@marcuslouisson5498]

what about the destruction of alcoholics? its all drugs omg , my question is why would you be selective on the drug of choice, omg whats that about?

[@user-uz7of5sc2q]

It’s about getting you back to work 👌

[@leannewilliams5158]

You only have to go to a district court to know that alcohol is the biggest contributor to the behaviour of the people in court.

[@Julie-fy1iu]

Its interesting that a persons worth is purely based on their ability to contribute economically. Also intetested in these morals that David keeps talking about. Whose morals? What moral standards? Very pious and dangerous attitude.

[@tahirua123]

Btw 100% of the people on the benefit which I know are defrauding with fake medical claims or false claims of rental cost etc. Love to see the rules tightened up so all my lazy young mates would see the reason to go get a job.

[@edwinbacon7187]

So report them, Richard. Just because you know scumbags doesn't mean that other people with real afflictions should be penalised and cast down to suit a right wing agenda. People who are being held down by ill fortune and suffering deserve to be helped into recovery, so they can do the same for others down the road.

[@eatbacon5072]

Where I live people are coached through defrauding the welfare system.

[@alistermacpherson7120]

Just like White Collar criminals & they get a slap on the wrist,defraud thousands & get an expensive Lawyer who gets them name suppression

[@samkeefe6070]

We as kiwis sould have sorted the P epidemic out years ago,Marijuana not the bloody problem, but no ,which ever government gets in ,its two bloody late kia ora

[@jamesco20]

So if we put 500m towards tax fraud for a 7b rtn vs 50m for 2.5m rtn that’d be a better taxpayer R.O.I

[@hellowill]

Wow completely dismantled him on the prison stance. If prison isn't working for rehab, then it doesn't mean we release people early - we change the prison! And he completely misses the fact prison is not FOR prisoners, it's FOR the public - keeping them safe.

[@ronjeremy6128]

Is it true that Jack Tame is Helen Clark's love child with Klaus Schwab?

[@alistermacpherson7120]

What does a German Centre' Back who plays for Real Madrid possibly have any relevance to this?

[@kevd2448]

The guy who got his ears slapped at school gets to be in charge 😂

[@mikecrafar6276]

Great job David answering that integration. 100% agree with all Act policies and can’t wait to see them part of the next government. And that interviewer is such a dick!

[@yeahnahyeahnah2160]

David speaking logic as usual

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Dont tell Jack Tame.

[@jontelexmond2859]

My mans questions are ridiculous

[@danielturner6551]

He won’t invest more into tax evasion because that would annoy his donors

[@Bruiser223]

why hasn't labour done this then? such a dumb argument

[@mitchelljohnston6366]

​​@@Bruiser223It's more about the hypocrisy. Going after benefit fraud when tax evasion costs the country more. Also, yes, Labour should be going after tax evaders. "But labour..." isn't a particularly good counter argument either dude.

[@norriscrack571]

Just remember that if you have ever asked a tradie to do a cash job to save yourself some money you have committed tax fraud.

[@BrettCooper4702]

Tough love without any love. Other options, commit crime and end up in a private prison with no rehab and working like a save. People who are unable to read then they will get longer sentences. This is unfair to people who have mental conditions the make in impossible for them to actually read. Reading ability is not rehab.

[@Kiwistoicist]

How can a government spend 50 million on comparing database, have the benefit officers asking the right questions?

[@naekcm]

Totally agree

[@BrettCooper4702]

The amount a beneficiary can earn was increased under labour and that is helping people on the supported living get into work. David it wrong that nothing is being done. Would like to know what medical conditions are defined as stress and what medical advice he has received about the treatment of these people.

[@mannedhandle]

How many people on charity use increased payments to get back to work vs the number that think of it as a lifetime entitlement?

[@barbaraknowles2713]

​@@mannedhandleI think he said around 4000, versus 5000000 people and they spend, 50 million to investigate 2 million, oh and hes not to concerned about the billions in tax avoidance, an the people making these decisions make around half a million per year, and get a MPs wage for life once they retire, he could lead a brass band let alone a country

[@michaeledgar6118]

TVNZ does well, shafting, an anti-Labour politician. Good on you Jack

[@jeanbeal537]

What's with the 'elephant in the room' ? Talk about the mandatory covert jab and getting rid of the waitangi treaty! So that NZ multi cultures know what is hidden from al the 'blah, blah, blah!!!!!!

[@MikeBarnesCoachcom]

The only way to deal with Jack Tame is to cut him off in exactly the same way he cuts off those he interviews.

[@cpnurseries]

Absolutely! He's a shocking interviewer. His bias is so evident.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Nothing new here.

[@dracovenit9549]

Well if they get in I hope they provide non-religious options for drug addicts, as so many seem to be religion based. Those who do not have faith in a god struggle in those courses. Those who are addicts from taking opiates get a government paid substitute to stop them using, however it keeps them an addict, is that considered treatment or part of what ACT wants to get rid of? Also many of the people he is talking about on the sickness benefit have been told by doctors and by the government they can't work. Those who have been on it for years and for years being told (and accepting) they can't work may not be able to adjust to all of a sudden being told they can, and that they have to.

[@mochapella]

I like the interviewer, simple, straight forward questions, not getting his nickers in a twist trying to win, but seeking answers, helping everyone to understand the nature of issues. thank you!

[@paddymccaughan7712]

The interviewer keeps talking over David Seymour. He’s not really listening.

[@nzreggae2534]

Does the ACT party support National selling NZ land and homes to overseas wealthy investors to rent back to us NZ citizens?

[@BB-il3rd]

that is irony of being an open economy and a small financial system

[@Ronny.81]

Tricky question, maybe that would be best answered by national 🤔

[@rtjahyadi7868]

I agree with David, welfare benefits should be scrapped off if they(drug addicts) don't seek treatment or try to find a job, why taxpayers need to pay for drug addict's benefits if they themselves do not even try to be a contributing member of the society.

[@TommahawkWhyatt]

Does this journalist work for Labour?

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

The fact is, the people are in a mood for a change of government.All the interviews WONT CHANGE a thing.

[@stephenmead8183]

Life is all about choices. You make the wrong choice then choices are made for you.

[@FreeSoul132]

NZ LOYAL PARTY is going to offer a 1% TAX RATE !!! and clean out the rot and corruption . NZ LOYAL PARTY is the only party that WILL deliver policies not hollow words !

[@labellaangora6887]

Too many immoral and in some cases amoral people making 'moral calls' in Government already in my opinion

[@Homegrownmusic591]

auguring semantics without actually having the figures to back it up. not verry wel thought through

[@richardmorley4223]

He makes sense

[@jaredt4reh4]

KING CHARLES THE 3RD GET OVER HERE & FIX THIS LOL

[@adsdft585]

Interesting, in their alternative budget they must include the cost of any additional prison officers and costs in terms of labour per cost hour increases to recruit more people. But the MP for Epsom did not have exact amounts or a general statement that they would fund what was needed. ( as advised by the public service )

[@pauljones3062]

Best we do a deal with Indonesia or similar & upon sentencing these people are sent to those countries to serve there time & I bet our crime rate would drop dramatically & it would cost us far less than housing these people in N Z .

[@cullenkehoe5184]

How do you change a person who choosed to do bad things in the past to want to do good things in the future? Let them out of jail early or not send there at all? What you need is a religious conversion if you truly want that kind of turnaround in a person. Check with what religious communities have effective prison ministries with results for turned around lives. Possibly even ask Brian Tamaki about it if he's had an effective ministry in that space.

[@ritaa1359]

Why does this look like a American news show like why so fancy even the Australian ones aren’t like this

[@user-uz7of5sc2q]

Well done ACT ! We have tolerated, nurtured and funded lazy addicts for far too long. Pain and suffering are a basic fundamental of human survival and if those god given rights are taken away society shall fall in to the abyss. Thanks Labour! We are nearly there 👍

[@rexlandy2996]

Yeah, legit person and totally not a troll, Mr McNumbers/Letters combo. LMFAO Liebour are scum. There's no 'god given right' to pain and suffering. Cretin.

[@alistermacpherson7120]

Yes labour's going & welcome the ultimate Coalition of Chaos

[@steveschatz6256]

How does it possibly cost 50 million to investigate them? Sounds lie the investigators need investigating!

[@jtonline99]

Multiply x resource working for y hrs to investigate 4700 cases, could reach $50m pretty quickly with a few hundred staff. These are the “back office” people Luxon wants to cull.

[@adriandocherty778]

Like paying politicians or their widower a lifetime retirement fund after 10yrs!!🤷🏽🤷🏽

[@cpnurseries]

That's completely false. They prosecuted for $2 Million yes, but how much do you think didn't result in prosecution? MSD hardly prosecute any more because the Labour Party mandate is so strong and they don't want to show the problems in the systems. Welfare fraud is absolutely rife.

[@zabelconnor]

Complete lack of understanding and empathy. "Let's put pressure on people to not be stressed". Because people want to have anxiety and be on benefit...

[@moonuni]

Why cut the people with the least money to sapport those that are doing alright .prisons will be overcrowded alot more homeless .overseas people wil not want to come over.

[@cullenkehoe5184]

The purpose of prison is punishment not rehabilitation. If you can rehabilitate at the same time, great, bonus. But it's negative reinforcement at its core. That does work to a point and keeps criminals off the street for a time so the rest of us can get on with it. The solution to an imperfect system is not to let everybody out of jail.

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

You ever notice how when Seymour and Luxon start to outline their policies and they're all coming together, Tame, like Rebecca Wright, will cut them off and change the subject!

[@junk_rig_sailor1698]

No. What I do notice is that Luxon and Seymour do not want to answer basic questions, which is because their policies are as hopeless as both their Parties.

[@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj]

Spot on.They must be Labour Party supporters.Its their idea of controlling the interview.I find Tame and Wright, like petulant 7th formers, in asking questions.I dont rate them.

[@junk_rig_sailor1698]

@@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj Why? Because they ask questions. that your clowns in National and Act cannot answer...

[@Bruiser223]

these sorts of interviews really should be podcast length, the politicians never get to finish points or properly explain things

[@diyguru9677]

Do you understand the difference between journalism and public relations Chris? Seymour or Luxon are hardly going to admit to the economic holes or red flags with their policies. It's the political media's job to expose politician's dishonesty.

[@spaceman7915]

A lot of stress come from a phycological disorder called hypochondria. This disorder can be treated via cognitive behaviour therapy, medical pills and even hypnosis. I managed to cure my hypochondria by 2 treatments which is adopt CBF'd and also leave the corporate IT sector ;)

[@howardlee5235]

He is great. His policy is common sense.

[@sox7784]

New Zealand first have a better policy for the gangs !

[@neillewis785]

Jack obviously still getting paid by the labour govt

[@oterangirikibest3982]

Can the government supply cheaper homes and also provide support services that work instead of driving it doesn't work

[@Matowix]

They only give the free houses to Maori which is racist. Labour has to go

[@lp9616]

Looking into tax evasion seems like a logical priority