David Starkey: The State of the West

[@davidstarkeytalks]

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[@bathhatingcat8626]

I find it hilarious you’re a conservative with a liberal foreign policy 😂

[@risenshine2783]

You are a national treasure David, and the system has treated you deplorably just because you stand up for common sense, freedom of thought and intelligent discourse.

[@Quinefan]

No, it was because he was openly racist.

[@annrogers8129]

Another brilliant lecture given by Dr David Starkey. Thank you Dr Starkey for telling us the truth, no matter how hard it may be for some of us to keep it down.

[@nelsano3]

Fantastic talk. The best analysis of our times I've heard.

[@jamesthenabignumber]

David Starkey has something in common with the best stand up comedians: his funniest observations are the most shocking. But not shocking because they are vulgar. Shocking because they are so obviously true yet somehow none of us thought of them.

[@adamcunningham2511]

I think of them almost every time I walk down the street. Open your eyes

[@NuisanceFlute]

Good to see Dave back on stage!

[@dianne7250]

I am French and I am enjoying myself immensely. Love Mr Starkey !

[@kelleysmith7345]

This is the clearest he has been on this subject and it starts to make sense. Our values are not everyone’s values and maybe we don’t need to be trying to press our values on the rest of the world.

[@peterrist5735]

Hello David - Very interesting, as usual. You were one of my teachers at the LSE in the mid 1980s - and the best teacher I had there by a mile!

[@examplelife1567]

As usual absolutely fabulous talk. I never fail to learn so much from Dr. Starkey. Reading his wonderful books were the very best and went places and into truths that others would not dare to go, this was generations ago. Now I find that listening to Dr. Starkey is perhaps the only person who gives me hope ❤

[@Apollo_Mint]

David Starkey is the Rock Star of history. The bit about the American Declaration of Independence had me in tears. He’s absolutely right!

[@marcustrajan4873]

"...far from being self-evident; it's deranged" Sheer brilliance.

[@markanderson3376]

Another excellent lecture from David Starkey. Keep these coming.

[@TPQ1980]

Very good. Good analysis, very well delivered. Starkey is an under-appreciated and perceptive thinker.

[@gnupf]

Unwittingly he explains why Merkel was so popular here in Germany while equally her government has been an unmitigated catastrophe for the country. He is also right about the majority of my fellow citizens having not understood their own history.

[@michelegosse7116]

no more than elsewhere

[@nahumhabte6210]

Merkel did what was best in Germany interest. The atlantic powers didnt like her choice. Thats why starkey disapprove of her.

[@gnupf]

@@nahumhabte6210 I have to respectfully disagree with you. Merkel oversaw a literal flowering of organised clan criminality in Germany. It has reached epic proportions. She is also responsible for switching off our very safe nuclear power plants. The terrible attitude towards the Euro and the fact that the ESM terms have been broken 120 times over. Apart from that she willingly destroyed her own party being thus personally responsible for the fact that we in Germany have a far right party again. She did nothing about the Maastricht, Nice, Dublin or Lisbon treaties being broken and has no answer for the problems that presents. It's failure on all fronts.

[@nahumhabte6210]

@@gnupf shutting down nuclear plants i understand. Although if they had a reason i dont know( i am not German). But her attitude towards Russia is Maybe in European interest, instead of being tied to America. In the long run having Russia on european side is good i think, especially if we want to counter China

[@patrickkihn]

This speech has helped me to see the events of the last seven years or so in a way that gives them historical context and meaning. I feel I now have a better sense of the sort of situational awareness that helps sailors to avoid collision and capsize and other disasters.

[@pierceferris]

Brilliant! Thank you!!!

[@loqisi77z]

Loved it David, thank you.

[@StationGarageSt]

The Black Tulip Alexandre Dumas. Historic Novel well worth a read .

[@richardsmith6224]

Thank you for another thought-provoking talk which I will need to listen to again.

[@TonyDSD]

something david talks about a lot is relatavism and that is so important. we assign cultural values to everyone assuming they follow it. awful incidents shock us when really they shouldn't. we have a great value on individuals and individual life, but we listen more and more to a subculture of warped universalism from students that seek to get rid of everything to do with a nation. its called international socialism. its no social justice relative to the west, it's more sinister than that. we are lucky to live here in the west and we are being led to resent that from our universities and media. we need to be proud of ourselves and cynical of alternatives. Our old version of liberalism allowed new ideas to come out, and now insititutions want to shut those gates now under the guise of 'sensetivity'. keep the gates open, or history will repeat itself and far closer to us than we would all like....

[@stevebryce54]

Sparkling. Thank you.

[@t5kcannon1]

Excellent lecture.

[@joangrant5248]

A really thought provoking lecture.

[@XavierRadić_NZL]

Thankyou David Starkey for chipping at the leaden sets within my mind, bringing in comfortable carpet slippers to finally bring some 'common sense'. Greetings from New Zealand... where constant verbal bludgeoning politically about our past (colonialism, has to be always something or someone to blame, I think a very British reaction) and indigenous peoples (proven related to come from Taiwanese hill tribes - which is managed to avoid) seems to surreptitiously rename almost everywhere & everything back into biculturalism, at the expense of our modern and more diverse multicultural society. Good luck to everyone and stay safe. 💜💜

[@peterlaidler3895]

Brilliant orator, Historical genius BUT has one human failing. He retains the aptitude of having common sense. Something which is rarely appreciated in these times. Long may you continue to enlighten us all Dr Starkey

[@davidbaber5445]

Words just fail me,I’m just bumbling,wow ,what a man .....🌞

[@moodyonroody5313]

He's def warming up to his subject. V good points thx David Starkey - we do need to hear this side too.

[@Swift-mr5zi]

Thats was incredible

[@stevenporter4845]

Brilliant David

[@whitedwarf4986]

Knowledge and wisdom are cyclical. Seems Chaucer, Newton and T.S. Eliot were well aware of this. A concept I had not really thought of before until I heard Douglas Murray saying this recently. A great quote from David Starkey that re-iterates this The core of history is narrative and biography. And the way history has been presented in the curriculum for the last 25 years is very different. The importance of knowledge has been downgraded. Instead the argument has been that it's all about skills. Supposedly, what you are trying to do with children is inculcate them with the analytical skills of the historian. Now this seems to me to be the most goddamn awful way to approach any subject, and also the most dangerous, and one, of course, that panders to all sorts of easy assumptions - ‘oh we've got the internet, we don't need knowledge anymore because it's so easy to look things up'. Oh no it isn't. In order to think, you actually need the information in your mind.

[@Celticowl4136]

Great comment 👍🏻

[@johnsmith-bi9zz]

Legend.

[@gbickell]

BRILLIANT! Thank you

[@jennilou100]

Ahhh. Superb.

[@guillaumerusengo9371]

Finally! The manifesto! Bombastic in places but true to his convictions, which are quickly becoming Faragesque

[@carlbyronrodgers]

Clarity.Very enjoyable.

[@DanHowardMtl]

I don't agree entirely with this but he's a great speaker.

[@rumplestilskin5776]

He is fabulous!

[@takamataday3146]

The thinking man’s Douglas Murray!

[@aaronwalderslade]

The final sentence about procrastination was chilling.

[@Ellis307]

Utterly fantastic lecture. Would it be possible to receive a transcript of it? Alternatively if there is an easier way by downloading captions would someone please tell me?

[@adholzmacher]

You can probably use your computer to take dictation. It's too long for a text message, I suppose, but office programs can probably handle it.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The nation state failed to use the power of the nation state to control international finance, now international finance controls the nation state.

[@skadiwarrior2053]

And now rapidly dissolving them!

[@gm006b4]

The Bougoise existential crisis 🙄. Goddammit they invented individualist human rights to divorce themselves from both the monarchs and the masses beneath. Now their global economy is consuming the various national identities they like to cling to, and they're in a panic. But it's impossible to stop this evolutionary process. We must embrace the future. There's nothing wrong with a common humanity, once it frees itself from commodification and subservience to the global financial mindset. And there is a place for all the better parts of our various cultural pasts in the future world. Embrace change/evolution with a positive mindset. Rediscover the idea of progress. May as well, as we can never stand still or go backwards in time 🙂

[@Thomasyouareclearandbeau-td4ox]

David you absolutely right

[@abstractacus1598]

Fantastic!!

[@kitbenson8078]

Brilliant man.

[@derekmills1080]

Thank you, David, for another thought-provoking talk. I don't profess to be an expert on many of the topics covered. I have heard of Fukuyama - enough to know that I don't wish to know anything else. I therefore regretfully decline your request to read more of his scribblings, David.

[@OldSarge]

Brilliant!

[@leesaunders1930]

indeed it is. I love a bit of david starkey after a hard day's graft.

[@louisgiokas2206]

Love the comment on the family. The idea of the American family is that the children will be nurtured and then go out on their own. We had an Iranian family friend whose family operated totally differently. Everyone lived at home until they got married. All the family resources were pooled. The kids could get nice cars, etc. They men lived at home until they could "afford" to get married. I moved out when I was 19 with an older woman. Not a happy thing for my parents. The relationship fell apart, but by the time I was 24 I had a house on my own in the neighborhood I grew up in. This was many years before I got married. We were all very individualistic. That is the core of the American family. Individualism. Call it weak, if you like, but it makes for people who are very self reliant.

[@lydiamalone1859]

And this is an American trait that is dying. I gave up trying to explain individualism/self governing to my European friends. They viewed it as selfishness. But it all really goes back to the American ideal of individual rights NOT "human rights". And there is a huge difference. Human rights are based on a sea of faceless humans. Individual rights are focused on the individual. Individual rights really do come with lots of responsibility if adjudicated according to our constitution.

[@madelinesullivan2629]

What a powerful insightful lecture.

[@FizuliAbilov]

This is after Dante put everyone in one level of a/the hell

[@darkmath100]

God bless you David!

[@katherinecollins4685]

Really informative

[@Gerrythesaint]

Fierce, Funny, Forthright - Dr David owns KZbin

[@philcooper279]

Brilliant.

[@DCND06]

Astounding.

[@kelleysmith7345]

I was struck by his words at around 26:00. Interesting to think about especially being an American.

[@philstaples8122]

Fantastic

[@joegodwin8116]

im a moderate member of labour and this talk was interesting.

[@scottfoster9452]

I am proud to be an Australian, I am proud of my country of birth, I am proud that Australia is a part, of the British Commonwealth, the greatest that has ever been. Long my this be so and God save The Queen and sir David Starkey!✌️

[@philcooper279]

England, AUSTRALIA , New Zealand and Canada, are part of the English speaking world. The West, if that is what you want to call it, is just a political term, nothing more. There is only three political groups in the world, the English, foreign and American.

[@davidhorobin1060]

Brilliant

[@peterhall6656]

This is a tour de force.

[@jameswebb4593]

I truly believe that the strength of the Ango-Saxon world was the weakness of family ties. My basis for this is my ongoing experiences in Thailand , a country that has been my home for several years. ....... Yesterday returned from a four day sojourn in Ayutthaya with wife and friends when the reason for a road trip of ten hours was good luck for past relations . This entailed returning home with ice boxes of dead fish to be handed out to families within the village. ... Take my word for the cost and effort involved , something I have never witnessed from British nationals.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@James Webb Just because your family ties are weak, dont assume that's the case in every family and extended family!!!

[@jameswebb4593]

@@shelleyphilcox4743 You tell me if your family ties stretch this far. And these are typical among Thais. Looking after not just parents but siblings old enough to work . Sen, leaving yourself barely enough to live on.ding most of your earnings home

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@@jameswebb4593 I come from a very, very large family. We make enormous efforts to see each other wherever we can, even across the world. We gather whenever we can...in fact thirty odd of us are getting together for a week in a couple of weeks time. Many of us live in localised clusters and we all help each other out as best we can, whether the trouble has been financial or emotional. We have very strong intergenerational relationships from great grandparents/aunties/uncles/cousins to the youngest children. We consciously gather and visit as much as possible for family events, special birthdays, christmas, boxing day and New Year, weddings and funerals...although it's sometimes financially a challenge to have such big weddings extending to over 150 guests because of the multiple generations...so we have a priority protocol for older relatives first with the younger ones coming to celebrate in the evenings. My family is very important to me and distance has sometimes been a challenge financially and practically, but it does not diminish my affection or respect when separated by distance. We have frequent communications between each other...and we use social media groups and video conferencing to keep each other up to date with some of the more day to day stuff going on, which helps ( letter writing to so many isnt easy and it certainly helps!)...even my 95 year old auntie is on fb. We are even in touch with family in Australia that we havent seen in person, at all, ever. I do get quite frustrated at this myth that western society doesnt appreciate family or look after each other as in my experience it's not true. My friends might not come from such large families as mine, but they are close, caring and help each other.

[@franksmyth853]

​​@@jameswebb4593 You're talking about very working class Thais, probably from Isaan province who are dependent on a familial support network. Middle class Thais (of which there are millions) aren't that different to our middle classes. They spend a fortune on their kids' education and tend to be much more nuclear family centred.

[@omnipitous4648]

You rock David.

[@KenMoss2986]

We have become a society of people who have a strong tendency to use only the left side of their brain (Dr Iain McGilchrist) Thank God for David Starkey with his wealth of knowledge and his well balanced mind.

[@rocco-zk5jo]

The left side of the brain ... The feminine side of the brain .... The depressive side of the brain

[@MrPoiuytre91]

What day was this recorded? It is a good idea to put dates in the information box. People will be watching this in 2023, 2026 and 2029; it will be hard to understand without a date.

[@timma7683]

"Woke is not Anglo-Saxon, woke is French" . Lesson learnt, thank you David.

[@harryfonseca7985]

David is one of the most lucid thinkers in the modern times!

[@kelleysmith7345]

Franklin spent lots of time in France, we were definitely influenced by it.

[@barrywalsh7926]

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[@natmanprime4295]

"IRA and the Mafia". BOOM!! SHOTS FIRED Catholics have left the chat lol😉

[@Commandoj251]

I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that line, what makes it funnier is that it’s true. Hahaha

[@gordonsmith4884]

Not all of us, many would agree; just not openly for obvious reasons.

[@donalfoley2412]

Black and Tans?

[@louisgiokas2206]

Interesting. At about 19:00 he talks about the US and the British Empire. Now, in the 19th century the British Raj in India started to take on the symbols and style of the Indian princes. This was a true melding of cultures. The home country was appalled at this and put a stop to it. They insisted on the separation from India. Just think of what might have been if these two great cultures had truly merged.

[@tropics8407]

Haha 😅 brilliant ! Give ‘em hell Starkey 👊

[@marieparker3822]

'Men go to fight, and women and children go to safety.' I don't think it was exactly like this in the Second World War, or to a lesser extent even in the First World War.

[@skadiwarrior2053]

That was back when men went to war on battlefields. Maybe that was what was meant. Modern warfare includes civilians as the support service. Apparently more civilians died in WW2 than combatants. In the first it was about even. Whole societies get put on a war footing when everything goes technical.

[@kelvinkersey5058]

give the french revolution its due... on a mooc I followed by an Australian university it was noted that the revolutionaries adopted the English system of common law as the expression of their new freedom. Of course Napoleon abolished it because it made the country too difficult to control, but the intention had been there. On universalism, the German philosopher Herder said I've seen a German, and a Frenchman, even a Chinaman, but I've never seen just a a man, there's no such universal animal

[@helenel4126]

I wonder whether, if Parliament had given the thirteen colonies representation in that legislative body after the French & Indian/Seven Year's War, the American Revolution would have occurred. Even if each colony had a representative, they would probably have been consistently outvoted on taxation to pay for their defense in the aforesaid war. Furthermore, if the colonial representative(s) were drawn from the colonial elites - who aped the great English landowners in their country houses, education, and dress - this very group would have been loathe to relinquish power to the colonial middling and labor classes.

[@sam-he3yn]

Britain could do with a man like starkey today as a prime minister he knows and understands his history and other country's history values better than any mp minister

[@Eris123451]

Starkey has a wonderful gift for beguiling exposition, even when he's talking complete bollocks he still sounds convincing. Nonetheless, he's sufficienty, right sufficiently often to still be well worth listing to anyway.

[@vaughanlockett658]

Universal communality as opposed to universal sovereignty.

[@georgegrimes499]

The Family; the IRA on one hand and the Mafia on the other. Hilarious. This lecture busts the fairytale of common belief in our society and from whence it came

[@murrayeldred3563]

Lady Starkey.....his comments about the Italian Family are quite incorrect & also in relation to the Irish Family. His sneering is his sMUG, SELF SATIFIED drawling on about 'how I picked myself up by my Bootlaces'. He may know about all the QUEENS & kings of the UK but there are quite large gaps in his STORY of THE ANGLOSPHERE.

[@Sp0tthed0gt]

I believe Mr. Starkey mistaken about Germany. Prior to unification what we now call Germany consisted of a bunch of small states (e.g. Hanover, Hesse) which focused on getting rich and paid little attention to military matters plus Prussia which was obsessed by the military. Germany was united under the Prussians, hence the German government adopted Prussian obsessions. That lasted until 1945 when the Soviet Union took control of the Prussian bit and Britain, France and the US took command of the rest. Under western command Germany re-adopted its former focus, whereas under Soviet command Prussia simply got weaker and poorer. It turns out that after reunification German obsessions overwhelmed Prussian ones.

[@SailingCartagena]

Not 100% right but totally thought provoking.

[@philcooper279]

Universal, people are people, universality is nonsense.

[@friguy4444]

I love the man. But "Love your neighbour as yourself" is pretty equal ground between humans.

[@musthaveacamel2157]

More Starkey, Less damn bleeps

[@welshhibby]

"I blame the french"

[@DS9TREK]

India is still part of the Commonwealth. I don't know why Starky says it's a former member. Maybe he means it's a former realm.

[@rocco-zk5jo]

@@lucsambourd1525 he is not a right winger .... A good analytical approach does not mean that

[@luisluis5306]

27:04 Gavin McInnis

[@doyle6000]

is that the Proud Boys guy?

[@Ozgipsy]

This man could talk an army to war. 🤦‍♂️

[@ahmedabdul319]

I still dont u derstand germany's criticism, whrn it comes to her moral standing regarding russia and ukraine. They did as much as reasonable without destroying their own economy. I mean if I look at the angloshphere and its realtion to saudi arabia, indonesia, etc. I an not see that heigher moral ground..

[@gerrystevens9041]

i dont have the money to join the members club and in any case patreon would meddle [i am a TI]. my question is what about a citizen militia? magna carta [article 61] stipulates the sheriff and his sworn deputies can and must become armed and report [to the barons but they are all lizards now] in order to right the country...i began but nobody joined me. so i am the sheriff of merton with the common law. if i had a militia...? what do you think? the trads got the history the trads got the law but we need a set of teeth as well.

[@kayharker712]

B R A V O !

[@danieldecides7894]

‘It is either true or false’ - couldn’t agree more and I still have a Fukuyama somewhere and read a couple I don’t have and glad I did - he was (is still I presume) a though provoking writer of ideas. I think that the main takeaway is to accept that people want/respond differently inside a country (never mind the world) to different things/ideas and so from that you can begin to see just how bad/unworkable big entities actually are in practice (the UN and of course USSR, EU block etc) - which means that ‘the west’ should concentrate on preserving its values and way of life based on the merit of those values/institutions through reform and keeping up to date with its ever-changing populations needs/expectations rather than exporting those to other parts of the world and I think frankly Trump understands that to look inwards and move away from the foreign wars and adversarial nature of the Bush/Blair/Clinton policies is the way to go. I think that the people of the various countries inside the commonwealth have broadly agreement on many issues but when you go to other areas of the world then it becomes more separated on issues and this is to be expected as the shared history (as mentioned) for one thing is differing and we need in this part of the world to focus inwardly and let others crack on and do what they think is best for them. Of all the big ‘clubs’ (entities) in the world - I can only really see how the economic ones are fit for purpose like the Davos get together and so what is the point of the UN? What is the point of NATO? It goes on and on - I think it is just a perception thing and not meaningful in the grand scheme of things. Countries are becoming more bi-lateral and smaller blocks are becoming more prevalent (or they will) and you should also have more countries (I think) that are fragmented from within - which I think means in practice - more localism because inside countries people in different regions/cities want/expect/prioritise different things - that first make the nation state fall apart and weaker - it makes it stronger and more united and reflective of its citizens wants etc. Finally, the people (predominantly young) that were genuinely exercised over Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump in America - well that constituency has not evaporated (I do t think so) because the participants are not in power and are not that young let’s say - because of that dynamic I think that America would be very wise to focus internally on the division within that massive country rather than bite off more than it can chew overseas.

[@FizuliAbilov]

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[@davidmorrison2739]

As a Christian listening to an atheist it's quite refreshing to hear mention of the flaws in much of modern internationalism. The Bible, my textbook, seems to me to make it clear that God put us into nations and ethnic groups for our own good, even if we have behaved in very ungodly ways (Hitler, Stalin, France etc) as nations and tribes. There is of course a biblical sine qua non morality with its rules, broken by all of us and needing forgiveness, but the idea of uniformity of international law, and in passing I would add, socialism, is not a biblical one. One day, of course, after the consummation of history, we shall all be under one law, but...its good to see that David undersands what St Paul meant better than many "progressive" Christians of recent decades.

[@lydiamalone1859]

I would remind David Starkey that our founders we're reading John Locke. Of course America took on The Best of British philosophy and some of its structure with many more checks and balances There would have not been an American revolution except for your German King George and his insistence upon universalism. Lol.

[@davidbrear8642]

"The family leads directly to the IRA and the (Italian) Mafia." What an strange conclusion for a historian to have formed. One wonders what David Starkey actually knows about the ongoing phenomenon of major organized crime, aka. racketeering, or it links to the ongoing phenomenon known as 'cultism?'

[@classicraceruk1337]

It’s not strange, it’s what can be seen to have happened. The IRA were formed in Ireland and the Mafia was formed in Italy. It seems that most people think that they are countries with strong family ties. So the analogy stands and it’s a conclusion.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

@@classicraceruk1337 I think the family unit created more than just the mafia.

[@classicraceruk1337]

@@evolassunglasses4673 They certainly produced children……. The Mafia is known for being a family… is that not why there is a Godfather?

[@MartinJG100]

I think there are many problems in the world today and one way or another, it all starts in families, or should that be family hierarchies.

[@davidbrear8642]

@@classicraceruk1337 On the contrary, the historical evidence proves this to be a very strange, if not daft, conclusion for a historian to have formed. The fact that violent (originally-nameless) criminal extortion gangs which became generally known as, ''Mafia," in the 19th century, were endemic to S. Italy (and then spread to the USA via mass-immigration), can have absolutey no connection with the fact that all other law-abiding Italians, and law-abiding persons of Italian descent, are known for having strong family ties. The emergence of various violent criminal groups linked to the Irish Republican movement, can equally have absolutely no connection with the fact that all other law-abiding Irish, and law-abiding persons of Irish descent, are known for having strong family ties.

[@GH-lq9fg]

As much as Iove David, he is wrong on his opinion on Russia.

[@newcjon]

I agree. In particular I think his hero worship of zelensky might come back to haunt him.

[@pierceferris]

@@newcjon he was being sarcastic about Zelensky…

[@henriettanovember4733]

🐞

[@cyberpunkworld]

Thinking about Nietszche for example and everything that followed I find this account rather anti-Hegelian to say the least. Wouldn't you agree?