David Warwick testifies in Lori Vallow Daybell trial

[@GO-xs8pj]

I think David Warwick and Melanie Gibb both know a WHOLE lot more than they have admitted to.

[@jimskeuh]

oh absolutely they do. see how they try to blame chad and lori while trying to tie their story together :" david had a nightmare and needed a blessing" to "we wanted to wake up chat/lori but guess what she wasn't answering" -- implying that they werent in the room and probably out the house with JJ with the results we now know. they just want to save their own skin. Didnt they both had a different story about the room they were staying in that night? i thought i remember that they said bot hdifferent things in the preliminary hearings earlier... and during the trial they say the same (they slept together)

[@valquinn3788]

And the other Mel and Audrey and Suella (whatever her name was)

[@marshapieroni6677]

So does the other Melanie

[@Lemonbonbon]

For anyone wondering why David is on the stand, I think the prosecution is trying to back up Melanies' testimony to the fact that she couldn't find Lori on the last night JJ was seen alive. Loris bedroom door was locked, and she couldn't get an answer. I believe the proscution are trying to show that she was with Chad and Alex burying poor JJ.

[@SocratesoftheNorth]

Or she was with Chad in the bedroom

[@Lemonbonbon]

@jane kennedy hmm, so JJ was sleeping in with Lori that night to make room for David. So if Chad was in there with Lori, why? Was JJ killed then, or were they preparing to bury him??? 😥

[@NimLeeGuy]

It doesn't seem that important to me. Apart from maybe the bit about the land and the church of the first born showing their attempts to recruit and planning for the future.

[@nadzach]

They have Alex visiting Lori's apartment that night, I think? Possibly for an hour and a half? I forget the details. I just remember thinking that maybe Alex didn't want to do it and made Lori did it herself. Alex would have to have put his body somewhere until buried. Those 3 white rocks have some kind of symbolic meaning from the book of Mormon. Chad would have done that, not Alex.(even though I don't believe these people have gifts of God, I still don't like the disrespectful way Archibald seemed to attack God as well as David.) You guys are right about this being really Important. Lori killed her own son in her own room. Maybe with own garbage bag out of her own kitchen. She's not being charged with murder in this trial--only conspiracy. I guess if it comes out that she killed him, she could still get murder charges. Nobody deserves the death penalty more than her.

[@joytothworld]

Could be Lori and Chad Daybell sacrifices J.J like they did Tylee.

[@mshockey73]

I think he was hoping to be dismissed...

[@earlsmypearl5949]

I disagree I think he wanted to testify. He's lying and that's obvious

[@naomi79ster]

I came here to say the same thing! He didn’t want to talk about any of it. I also think him being sick plays apart in this, but not the “forgetting” aspect.

[@norlavine]

That's what I thought! That way they don't have to worry about getting their stories in sync,as Melanie keeps changing hers on different interviews.

[@paranoidaudience]

So do I lol

[@paranoidaudience]

@@earlsmypearl5949 your odd man out 😂

[@endliarcheats2927]

Odds that Mr. Warwick's wife has a life insurance policy out on him?

[@donnar9864]

💯

[@Emily-iv4hk]

They are suspicious AF, & I hope they’re being investigated by law enforcement.

[@hoolydooly5799]

Oh defo !!! Sounds like he is on his last leg, and she is only 50 and healthy. ker ching

[@Lemonbonbon]

100% ! Watch your back David !

[@theresenydahl9531]

I was just thinking the same thing!😃 He sure ain't no spring chicken and he's also suffering from ailments so cash out time might happen sooner than later😉

[@cherylfleck5606]

What is with these people living and visiting in at least 4 states. It's like a constant turmoil. It's like me just going crosstown to visit my friends. Do any of them work? Where do they get all this traveling money. It's so bizarre?

[@hoolydooly5799]

They believed they were SO MUCH BETTER than others they deserved to get the quick-pass to the 144,000 😏

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

One word- AMWAY! Have you ever met and LDS person that didn't sell AMWAY, Herbalife, or other MLM schemes? I rest my case...

[@hunnypie1873]

@@SammyNeedsAnAlibi lol omg that’s so hilarious and absolutely accurate

[@NimLeeGuy]

They all seem to have jobs, except Lori vallow

[@JaimeMesChiens]

@@SammyNeedsAnAlibi Game Set Match. Sammy wins KZbin today. ✔️ I tip my hat.

[@ramblinsteven2554]

All the people involved in this case have a certain amount of crazy in them. Every. Single. One.

[@someoneinsomeplace]

Yeah, it's called religion

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

​@@someoneinsomeplace 100%

[@questioningcat7949]

@@someoneinsomeplace 100% its called the Mormon religion

[@ramblinsteven2554]

@@questioningcat7949 - Mormon religion isn’t any weirder than the others!

[@patferguson9377]

Who is teaching them these beliefs? It's not in the bible

[@jasonflorence127]

It amazes me how David, Melanie Gibb, Melanie (niece) all say they didn’t believe in what Chad and Lori believed yet..they were all at the conferences, the fireside’s, the podcast, and even all moving to be together. If you didn’t believe in their crazy beliefs, they are all liars and it makes me mad that ONLY Chad and Lori face charges. They all bear responsibility and conspiracy to cover up the deaths of those poor children. I can’t believe the audacity of all these people.

[@cookiemousse4415]

I totally agree with you, they are all being very careful what they say, & he was clearly trying to get out of testifying to admit to watching part of Melanie’s testimony!

[@feliciarizzo6841]

All are pretty much narcissist...all about them and they literally lie their pants off!

[@chloer2584]

I can’t wait for her niece to testify! She seems crazy

[@gaiagreen2690]

Exactly! Liars and scumbags!

[@jenniferhansen3622]

​@@chloer2584Do you know for sure if Melanie, her niece, will be testifying? I've been wondering this.

[@mountainmermaid8]

They're married but not living together "right now," don't talk for over a week. . . these people are all strange, including this couple.

[@HomeoftheBrave911]

He clearly knew better, and his wife should have gone to the police. She knew L@C were dangerous and could have saved Charles Vallow's life and those kids would most likely be alive if Alex was charged with murder.

[@lindacoyne908]

Nope...no one could have stopped their plan. Know one would ever think a model mother would murder her children.

[@JamieDoe472]

Adults know that mother's can murder their children.

[@sallyostling]

​@@lindacoyne908 I disagree. Charles shouted from the rooftops that he was in danger. Had one police officer took him seriously all of this could have been avoided. In my state child custody turn overs can be done with police present, all you have to do is request it.

[@Im.a.king.not.a.princess]

Melanie was just his gf...

[@dgatsf]

I have to believe that the police are also responsible for the outcome and the murders because they did not investigate Charles death. Which was the beginning of the deaths.

[@photosowens2000]

This prosecutor is the bomb ! These people are completely crazy!

[@eleanorryan2750]

All these individuals are bizarre, beyond words.. It took David 45 minutes, before he realised He shouldn't be listening to anything concerning this Case as he was gointo be called as a witness???It doesn't look like Melanie and David are living in harmony. Regards from Ireland 💜💙🧡💜💙🇮🇪

[@drivemeroundthebend1170]

Yep completely agree xx

[@jujulionesselsa1416]

Hi @ELEANOR RYAN ❤🥰

[@SocratesoftheNorth]

David has already given evidence on the stand during Daybells preliminary hearings two years ago. Both he and Melanie would have discussed this case over the past two years. None of this evidence is new. Imagine having to be involved in this fiasco for years on end.

[@IndianOutlaw1870]

He stated he was ill. Sickness can cloud the brain. I've experienced this many times.

[@patriciamorrell4954]

Members of a small circle of people forming the beginning an accult and Chad and Lori are the leaders. They're simple people who easily believe and do anything that they're told by Chad or Lori, which boils down to all of them ending up being crazy. However it is good that this is in the court preventing this accult from flourishing to get bigger.

[@jillgebauer1292]

He and Melanie's testimonies are far too vague. I hope the reason the prosecutors let them off being vague is because they need them in Chad's trial. At that point, I hope they rip into them because I have no doubt Melanie knows way more than she's saying!

[@Malama_Ki]

Melanie was helping Lori throughout the separation from Charles. She’s only with this simpleton because she wears the pants. He’s the old guy that wanted to join the pretty blonde club.

[@northerngirl4666]

I agree …. Melanie Gibb is very very suspicious.

[@KK-rc5ds]

I agree. This guy is covering for himself- but it won’t be public. I don’t like him.

[@deborahlayson9841]

You better believe that Melanie Gibb knows WAYYYY MORE than she is letting on. She is nothing but a liar! I saw right through her when I watched her police interrogation from a couple of years ago.

[@RayneraGrace]

In his grand jury testimony he stated that Lori said “He was being a zombie” crawling around on the cabinets. I wish the prosecutor would have solicited the zombie comment from him again here. There’s a big difference between saying she couldn’t handle him and believing he was a zombie.

[@joannadechenne6368]

AMEN

[@jimskeuh]

ALSO why wasn't he asked about the fact he gave a different testimony regarding the room he stayed in that night cause those were different from gibbs's

[@annhenry3135]

The prosecution case is not about zombies but about greed, power and lust. Lori calling people zombies was her justification for eliminating those in her way.

[@wolfkin_uk]

@@annhenry3135 Yes, I think they were focusing on her actual motive (as opposed to her excuse/justification) to show she wasn't actually 'crazy', she knew what she was doing and was motivated not by deluded religious beliefs, but by greed, power, lust.

[@illyanka8777]

Can't even remember your wedding day? REALLY?

[@TheSingingGardener]

It’s eerie that David had the worst nightmare of his life while staying at Lori’s and sleeping in JJ’s bed the night JJ may have been murdered. He never believed anything Chad and Lori was telling him and sounds like JJ called out to him in his dreams. So sad

[@lianehihath3439]

That is so sad. I really believe that JJ was mentally tortured. Not to mention physically. Poor sweet angel 😇

[@richardlucas9272]

That’s because he’s lying. He was a witness to more than they agreed to divulge

[@gaiagreen2690]

​@@richardlucas9272 I have a horrible feeling that you are correct.

[@achristine80]

These dreams were no coincidence. Dreams are warnings from God, demons are real, and unfortunately David was sleeping under the same roof as 3 of them.

[@juliepesch8417]

I wanted to hear the dream. That would’ve been interesting.

[@klsb75]

Does anyone else feel that this “scuffle” that Chad had with JJ has been glossed over? What day did this happen? What time of day? Under what circumstances? Was Chad trying to get JJ to do something or go somewhere that JJ did not want to? I was sure that Alex was the one who actually ended JJ’s precious life, but now… How horrifying. The entire saga all the way through is just horrifying.

[@chloer2584]

Same!!! I don’t understand why none of the attorneys are going into more depth on that I want to know what happened! JJ had bruises on his arms as well so maybe the medical examiner can talk about it more

[@hipe4191]

Lori & Chad both were with JJ - They both smothered him, imo. Melanie said she couldn’t find Lori when Chad was putting JJ to bed. He was never seen alive again. Monsters!

[@gaiagreen2690]

I feel the same! That boy was physically abused by Chad and now we know that many people saw the scrach marks his little fingers left on Chad's fat neck, which is an undeniable proof of abuse! But I guess that the witnesses are now downplaying it and both legal teams are glossing over it is because the former are trying to justify their inaction and why they never defended JJ, while the lawyers are interested only in murders and don't want to divert attention from main charges. However, I think that exposing the details of JJ's abuse would actually help both prosecutorial teams. Let the jury hear what Lori allowed Chad to do to her little son, and later let Chad's jury hear how cruelly he treated that child. Knowing the details will only convince the jury of their disgusting depravity and their guilt. Someone testified that in the few weeks before they killed her, Tylee used to shout and beg Lori to believe her that she is not a demon but her daughter, and that just breaks my heart... Chad is a monster and it was already mentioned somewhere that he hated both Tylee and JJ, but Lori allowing that fat monster to hurt that little boy and then to declare both children "demon possessed zombies" makes me SO angry... Didn't she notice that none of HIS kids were declared to be evil?

[@chloer2584]

@@gaiagreen2690 it’s weird to me because tylee and JJ probably didn’t even know chad and she was allowing him to take over! Why did she let this random man tell her about her own children and say all these negative things about them? Also, are there any witnesses to tylee trying to convince her mum that she was not possessed?

[@amandadierenfeldt7052]

I think it was on purpose they brought JJ back up to Lori’s room, zonked out. Wanted Melanie and David to see that?

[@Brucebod]

Melanie Gibb: married Dec 12th Alex Cox: died Dec 12th 12 X 12 = 144 as in: 144,000 Just a weird coincidence(s).

[@rasberryfields2132]

Very interesting observation 👏

[@georgia1033]

And him saying he didn’t believe in chads beliefs ! BULLLLLL!!!

[@Emily-iv4hk]

I think he got into a power struggle with Chad over who the “prophet” was going to be. They’re all sick

[@contralilozi50]

Reverend Donna Serephina on YTube put him at the scene of the murder of Tylee, which she posted 4 months before they found the bodies!

[@BjarneReksten]

​@@contralilozi50😮 really??

[@nmikloiche]

Being mainline LDS, I’m so surprised that (1) Warwick didn’t insist on staying at a hotel. Staying in a home, even in an extra bedroom, would be improper because he would be sharing it with 2 single women. (2) He didn’t find Chad, who openly cheating on his wife, in spiritual jeopardy. Most LDS men would have a stern talk with the other and encourage them to end the affair and patch up the marriage. And, since Warwick wasn’t local, he should have informed Chad’s bishop at the ward so he could help Chad repent and fix the marriage. The LDS church holds a high bar for husband and wife relationships. I’m just very surprised Warwick wasn’t appalled with Chad’s conduct. (3). I also think he would be very concerned with his GF, Melanie Gibb “palling” around with Lori, who was a party to the adulterous relationship. (4) No LDS man would wake from a nightmare and want Chad, a man in rebellion with the church, to give him a blessing. It just would not ever happen. I think Mr Warwick has a lot more beliefs and practices that are not in alignment with LDS mainline and he has only shared the tip of his iceberg.

[@TeeJayNZ]

Is what you say is true why aren’t they all excommunicated

[@BjarneReksten]

LDS here as well, and you are absolutely correct.❤

[@BjarneReksten]

​@@TeeJayNZI'm sure there are many excommunications we're not aware of ❤

[@cccooper472]

I am thinking that little JJ was dead when Alex carried him in at 10.30pm. David didn't realize this but his subconscious did. This is what caused the nightmare.

[@Georgie14]

I agree. He looked like he was sleeping but he was dead.

[@gpcheng87]

I thought this too, but after listening to Detective Ray Hermosillo's testimony about JJ's autopsy, I wonder if maybe he was drugged/sedated. It was not easy to listen to, so TRIGGER WARNING/SENSITIVITY WARNING ⚠️ even though I'm going to try and be brief and sensitive: Det. Ray testified that JJ was found in long pjs (not the same "shirt and shorts" David describes here) and his head was covered in a way that suggested asphyxiation. Under that, he was duct-taped in a way that (I can't think of a humane way to say it, so I apologize...) one would not need to do to a person who had already passed. ⚠️ If JJ was secreted away in the middle of the night by either C, L, and/or A, it wouldn't make sense to go through all that if he was already gone when David saw him last. It would have been easier for Lori to say, "It's already late and past his bedtime; he's sleeping over at Alex's since you're using JJ's room anyway." Obviously, this is just my guess/2 cents.

[@SledDog5678]

He was probably drugged. Dead looks different and the eyes don't fully close like when asleep.

[@SledDog5678]

David's nightmare may have been the time JJ was murdered.

[@kristileigh7336]

If he was dead, do you think they took the bag off his head to bring him inside and then taped it back on his head again before they buried him? I wondered if he was alive at this time as well, until I learned he was found with the bag taped over his head.

[@dawnb3194]

Q: Who told you Tylee wanted to be independent (ie was not present)? A: Melanie - I think it was Lori - Melanie asked Lori in front of me. Really? I’m sure Melanie would know before then so would not have needed to ask Lori (had it been true that Tylee’s absence was because she wanted to live independently). This throws more doubt on Melanie Gibb’s knowledge and/or involvement, for me.

[@loislane9826]

I caught that and I agree ☝️

[@Estellbel1968]

Bunch of hypocrites having affairs when they are still married and preaching to people lol

[@LuckySpinster.]

She is an excellent prosecution attorney

[@beverlyadcock3841]

I have to disagree! Something isn't right with her ' defense ' of the defendants! Dig deeper PA!!! May be surprised...

[@FernVert]

​@Beverly Adcock what do you mean, her defense of the defendants?

[@Emily-iv4hk]

How did Melanie know that David was having a nightmare if they were in separate bedrooms? If he was loud enough to wake her up from another room, what about everyone else? I thought it was interesting that no one asked that question. Chad was obviously nearby if Melanie wanted him to give David a blessing. I find that whole story extremely suspicious.

[@gpcheng87]

1:10:47 they were in the same room

[@jimskeuh]

@@gpcheng87 well, according to THIS trial's testimony yes, but in their preliminary hearings they said different things about that.

[@gpcheng87]

@@jimskeuh 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Emily-iv4hk]

@@jimskeuh exactly, they’re so inconsistent

[@NaeNae62]

David won’t work on Sunday yet he’ll sleep with his girlfriend in the same room. 🤦‍♀️

[@hayalistanbul5418]

l don't think anyone believes his nightmare story. He knows more than he tells. Shame on him.

[@hayalistanbul5418]

@@samsmom400 l think they heard some noises, they guessed what was going on. They weren't kindhearted enough to try to prevent. They just wanted to know and to witness the murder of JJ in order to have something to tell. He and Melanie were just shallow people and they were bored with their lives, they were looking for things off the limits to colour their boring shallow lives. Shame on them, shame on them.

[@akasha924]

I wondered if they didn't drug David too and then told him it was a nightmare.

[@hayalistanbul5418]

@@akasha924 Actually, l don't think they did. Otherwise they would do their evil deed when they left, not while he and Melanie Gibb were there. l assume CD and Lori Vallow felt better about it that there were others believing that JJ was a zombie. Not only them.

[@hayalistanbul5418]

@@akasha924 They told JJ was a Zombie. MG and DW knew that they would kill JJ because of that. At some point LV even offered MG to take JJ with her. MG said, No. Even though they would kill JJ. They were there to spectate they were so indifferrent. l think they are more cunning than VL and CD.

[@akasha924]

@@hayalistanbul5418 maybe... I just thought DW a very conveniently unreliable witness to the crime. Almost more like a planned alibi... Bring over the visionary, make him unsure what he saw, and impeach his visionary status. MG I suspect was in on it.

[@christinahall3991]

David Warwick is about as smart as his wife. 🙄

[@donnar9864]

They make a wonderful couple 😂

[@joncrane7661]

I would like to read about enlighten people recognizing the inherent dignity of all people instead of derision.

[@hoolydooly5799]

As per previous comments I bet she is smart enough to have a fat life insurance policy on him.

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

@@donnar9864 peas in a pod, for sure

[@pattykake7195]

Perhaps he is a zombie…🧟‍♂

[@Cheeseman1717]

All of these people are cookoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[@dawnb3194]

Not all - some are sociopathic cons leading & manipulating the ‘blind’ for financial gain & cult leader status.

[@cellison9414]

Warwick's nightmare bothers me - I believe he's being truthful, it seems to have really upset him. This happened in JJ's room. In light of what we know now...its so scary, dark, some kind of supernatural horror. Chad, Lori, Alex, and I personally think Melani B, were diabolical, unhinged, wicked, sick. I have to wonder if the Devil himself was guiding them. It is so dark.

[@Im.a.king.not.a.princess]

This was all thier crap behavior.. No fantasy characters necessary.

[@kc-lp6wg]

It was there own sick decisions guiding them -greed, self obsession and selfishness. The Devil absolves responsibility.

[@lisapriebe8796]

Think he knew something fishy was going a d then had a nightmare like a normal person does

[@k8bweigel1]

It is incredibly dark. And it does seem to me that Mel B (now P) has no remorse whatsoever. None. At least Mel G and Zulema appear somewhat chastened and contrite.

[@lisapriebe8796]

I think maybe his subconscious was trying to tell him Jj was gone

[@debidriscoll8108]

If JJ really had an episode like that the entire house would have heard it.

[@nsxpetes]

He intentionally watched those videos so he wouldn’t have to speak. I guess it didn’t work.

[@uptownpotatoes]

All of these people need to see a licensed therapist and get free of their cult. They are all slippery and shady!

[@Malama_Ki]

Which one, Joseph Smith and the magic hat, or bullfrog Chad and the magic portal? Gonna be hard because 95% of people in that area blindly follow the magic hat.

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

And fortunately, they are all as dumb as a box of rocks, leading them to be caught.

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

@@Malama_Ki If you already believe crazy things, it is much easier to convince you of other crazy things.

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

​@@ArtfullyMusingLaura Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities--Voltaire

[@hipe4191]

@@Malama_Ki • Honestly, it really is ridiculous - some guy created a new religion based on a hat & a rock. Sheeple.🤬

[@shankins88]

It just dawned on me that Lori and Chad may have told DW and MG that JJ was climbing on cabinets and knocking over pic of Jesus bc they needed to explain away any disturbing noises that may have been heard the night before, when David says he had a nightmare, they may have actually heard JJ struggling to get loose from whoever was murdering him, which is why DW and MG insisted on going to Lori's bedroom door in the middle of the night. And also why they in turn, came up with the stupid nightmare story. I believe they left Lori's house that morning with suspicions that something horrible happened to JJ, but agreed to claim plausible deniability. Shameful.

[@Adagiowellness]

So Chad felt his wife’s time on earth was about to expire and he easily narcissistically disposed of her as such. 46:38

[@Jerseybaby19]

Sorry but SHAME on all these people out here testifying like they are good, fully functioning citizens! They are far from innocent and their righteousness DUSGUSTS me! SHAME ON THEM ALL!!!!

[@jernikof]

Yup I feel you, functional not sure. I just think the access to easy money can be catalyst disfunction not detected as it affords a closed ignorant bubbly existence.

[@gaiagreen2690]

Thank you SO much for your comment!!! Yes, they are doing somersaults to sound normal and to minimize and downplay both their religious fundamentalism lunacy and their involvement with the Daybell cult! In the end, none of these indoctrinated scumbags did anything to protect JJ. They all saw that JJ was taken away to be physically abused by Chad, who hated the boy, and they all saw the scratches on Chad's neck, which would only be possible if JJ was held up or Chad Daybell was in the boy's face. Yet here, they are all avoiding those topics and they are visibly uncomfortable when asked about imbecilic visions and religious manipulation through stupid podcasts. A boy with special needs was abused, they saw it with their own eyes, but they were more interested in angels, demons and invisible temples! Anyone could've asked about JJ but they simply let him die, and now they are desperate not to be exposed as a bunch of disgusting fanatics. Angels, my foot! This guy says he has a son with special needs, and he never thought to ask HOW did Daybell get those scratches? Scumbags.

[@bettyechols6405]

No body is perfect, Miss perfect

[@Jerseybaby19]

@@bettyechols6405 Nobody is perfect no... but most people don't partake in murders, cults, conspiracies and fraud. In fact most people wouldn't stay silent when 2 kids had disappeared. If you are defending these vile people then I suggest you get help.

[@Jerseybaby19]

@@jernikof it certainly does but no amount of money could keep most of us silent. I hate that they think we are all naive 😒

[@nenej12]

these people obviously don't listen and are a bit egotistical...david w is quite flippant! you know you have to come to court and you look at the testimony anyway...your intentionally jeopardizing the case

[@SocratesoftheNorth]

Maybe he was hoping to be excused because he's sick of being dragged to court over this. He's already had to do this for the preliminary hearings. It wouldn't have thrown the case out because he admitted doing it before being questioned.

[@dawnb3194]

I wonder if such a perception played into the courts ruling not to dismiss him as a witness. I think it was David & Melanie’s plan to throw a spanner in the works. Had he opened up the link for 5 minutes & realised, fair enough, but 45 minutes before ‘realising’ he shouldn’t be following the trial!? A duration long enough to potentially reduce their involvement by 50% .. 🤔

[@Lemonbonbon]

I think David was trying to get out of testifying 🙄

[@choicecraftsbypeggyt]

If that was the case wouldn’t he have said he listened to several witnesses not just his wife’s?

[@Lemonbonbon]

@Peggy Tippett It depends, how many times could he be hit with a contempt of court charge? 🤔 😅

[@blubella8875]

I wonder did they only marry so that they would not have to testify against each other? I do believe that these two definitely knew a lot about what was going on if not some type of participation leading up to the deaths of the children... Maybe validation that JJ was dark or a Zombie.

[@Im.a.king.not.a.princess]

No they were together way before any of this

[@Songbirdstress]

Yes! The last testimony I heard, I'm sure he said they were exes!

[@dawnb3194]

Agree! 👹

[@genkestrel7254]

Yeah I don't buy his or his wife's testimony at all. I'm wondering if "nightmare" is code for what they actually took part in?

[@AliceA333]

He was the one that stopped Melanie from helping Lori, and got her to come clean to law enforcement. So this simpleton is the brains of the operation.

[@sweettea527]

This guy listened to at least 225 minutes of testimony because he mentioned 45 minutes about 5 times. 😂

[@rbjones72703]

It's so strange that these good Christian folks cheat on their spouse and are married multiple times 😮

[@jardindesombras]

That's because they are not christians. They are followers of Joseph Smith and his fake book of Mormon. Smith had multiple chicks.

[@razrrblade3824]

Are all these so called righteous people sleeping together? David & Melanie sleeping together in JJ’s room? Chad and Lori sleeping in her room with JJ?

[@ThatGirlT77]

My question is How many people had to die for these weirdos to open their eyes and realize this was crazy!??? This all could have been avoided and possibly prevented if someone had gone to their church leader and gotten guidance about all of this. What were they gaining is my question? What good was coming out of this? It's a cult, I get it, but when were they gonna wake tf up?

[@average_life]

Go to a leader of a different cult to get guidance about their cult? 🫥 The police, they should have gone to the police.

[@pattycornell7983]

All these deaths were part of the great plan ...they were programmed to die as they were dark or zombies

[@loislane9826]

David Warwick was going to be next - the 80 acres 🤔

[@AliceA333]

Is this David the righteous? Guess the marriage isn't going well.

[@maurachapman4179]

I believe this man's bad dream was when JJ was murdered.

[@jimskeuh]

or it was fabricated to fit their story of "look we don't have anything to do with it, but let's point more fingers to chad/lori so you dont have to look at us"

[@sheilasmith7779]

I find David's testimony regarding Sept 21st hard to believe. He provided no testimony that he had any concerns on J.J.'s welfare prior to Sept. So the fact that J.J. was not present that Sunday morning would not raise suspicion...since Alex often babysat J.J. These people seem to have had "concerns," yet these concerns are not evidenced in their behavior.

[@grayscha]

Tammi was still alive yet Lori and Chad acted as though she was already discarded in their eyes and had no guilt of carrying out an affair… with such lack of boundaries and morals (plus Charles sketchy death) I am led to believe they were desensitized to any one else they were supposed to seemingly care about including the children and acted as a team to harm the children. I state this because I have read others say they believe Lori was a bad person but a good mom that couldn’t lay hands on her kids and she let Alex and Chad act alone in these horrific crimes. Bless those innocent.

[@tantelila7464]

He may have hoped not to be admitted as a witness.

[@theresenydahl9531]

Thank you for sharing audio🌷🌷🌷🌷

[@tulipano8172]

These people are freaking bizarre. I'm staying far away from any of them.

[@HomeoftheBrave911]

They're odd

[@NimLeeGuy]

Of course. They were open to the daybell-vallow craziness. And got caught up by it.

[@pattykake7195]

Because they are Mormons= nutters…😵‍💫

[@earlsmypearl5949]

He's clearly lying. The loud swallowing just adds to it

[@michelleseveney9113]

Not to defend him because all these people are whacked but I think he’s still sick. He sounds horrible

[@IndianOutlaw1870]

He sounds like a chronically unhealthy person.

[@TruCrimeQueen]

@@michelleseveney9113 Agreed …he appears to be sucking on a cough drop!

[@LoveMyGrands02]

He’s got a cough drop in his mouth

[@hipe4191]

Give the dude a break, he’s sick!

[@katalindejong8388]

This is just getting crazier by the minute 😂😂😂 none of you are all there 😂😂😂

[@susansilvey1614]

poor JJ was trying to make himself a home with the cardboard

[@aaronmatheson9730]

I am not religious but something that struck me when David was testifying, prosecutor asked something to the effect of “why were you looking for JJ when you left”? And he said “well JJ was having problems so I wanted to give him a blessing “….. that is something that comes from a good heart!!

[@amandadierenfeldt7052]

Or is made up… as an alibi or to show he was the good guy in all this? I don’t know his credibility

[@aaronmatheson9730]

@@amandadierenfeldt7052 I get ya, but listening to the call between Mel G. And Lori/Chad when they were giving their opinion on Dave tells me that he was not so much in to what they were teaching. He seemed the most outspoken out of anyone in the group. I don’t believe he was in on it at all. I do get your drift though!

[@staybent9380]

Yuck. Blessing, as if.

[@redrumtruecrime]

David nor anyone in that house is qualified as a priest to give anyone a blessing. That's the trouble with this lot, they all think themselves far more righteous than they are. Blessings one minute then direct hotline to god and the angels themselves. Egos like that is why cults exist and people end up dead as onlookers scurried away to concoct their own story and save their own ass. LDS encourage "prophets" from the pews to rise up and be respected by their peers. Creating false prophets and a bunch of trouble. Other religions choose to stick to the bible and no masquerading as prophets. LDS have had a number of splinter groups take off, ending in murders because of it.

[@tulipano8172]

So he was so worried about her that he watched her testimony; but since her testimony they have not spoken about it or anything else. Right! BS😅

[@christian_noel]

this judge must be in cahoots with the defense attorneys. VERY suspicious

[@Malama_Ki]

The man sounds near his own end. Talk about a death rattle.

[@ShaktiShelly]

Thanks for posting

[@oooops537]

He is guilty of participating a lot more than he admits.

[@klsb75]

💯

[@MW-lw2fc]

David should have NEVER testified simply because he listened to 45 minutes of his wife's testimony. This trial screams appeal 😢

[@jonnylumberjack6223]

In order for this issue to be the reason for a retrial, it would need to be shown as something that weighed heavily in the juries decision making. Which seems unlikely. Think it's safe.

[@joycec7153]

The testimony and evidence regarding Charles Vallow the day day he was shot seems a bit off to me. Lori knew Charles was coming over to get JJ to bring him to school, Charles and Jj had gone out to the car. Why wouldn’t Jj have shoes on at that time? Testimony states that she went to Walgreens to buy flip flops because she forgot shoes for the kids. After Lori dropped Jj off at school and arrived home, she and Tylee had gone to the police station for questioning. In that video of Tylee being interviewed she is wearing flip flops. It’s kind of hard to see but the soles of those flip flops do not look new. She really didn’t have much of an opportunity to walk in those “new flip flops”.. I believe that when Charles arrived at the house that morning to pick up Jj he was flat out ambushed and killed. His phone was probably in his pocket and was removed after him being shot and a story was contrived to make it look like self defense.

[@NrthrnKnght]

and tylee saw and heard it all...hence her death to silence her

[@jimskeuh]

@@NrthrnKnght I'm not sure about that, if Tylee did see it, i think we could see signs of her not telling the whore truth, i didnt get that feeling when watching the interview. Unless she hated charles so much that she went along with the story her mother told her i dont know

[@lea24457]

@@jimskeuhI think the witch Lori was telling Tylee she was dark so the poor girl was doing anything to please her mother , Adam loris brother said tylee wanted to tell him something after Charles was shot but loris mom stepped in and sort of took tylee away . Sick going ons so sad 😞

[@debidriscoll8108]

The man was honest, he didn't have to tell anyone.

[@katliese]

He asked Chad if Tammy was a good wife? WTF😮 🤮

[@astrialindah2773]

I think he was trying to prick chads conscience... If you know what I mean 😉

[@MultiPetercool]

He didn’t have a nightmare. He was half-awakened by J.J. resisting being gagged with duct tape. Lori was hiding in the house and realized Melanie was looking for her. Lori concocted the story about J.J. going nuts to explain the ruckus. Meanwhile Chad & Alex brought the trashbagged body to Chad’s place. Next day, Chad tries to talk David into doing a large construction project near the property where the bodies would eventually be buried in concrete A’la Jimmy Hoffa.

[@erihor86]

These podcasts mentioned sound like such vanity to me. I wonder how many people listened to them

[@hoolydooly5799]

Yep. EGO they thought they were SO special that they deserved to be on the Fast-Pass to the 144,000 🙄 This David, and his new wife Melany were heavily into this mumbo jumbo with Lori...but NOW they say they were not into it so much as Chad and Lori, of course. Hypocrites doom cult but they are into grabbing money off their victims💰💰💰. So what is it? Utopia in the cosmos OR Utopia on earth, cashed up & no accountability?

[@Malama_Ki]

Melanie Fibb has obviously found the way to riches: a rich old partner with a bad cough, a steep flight of stairs, and a bunch of cats. I wonder if he has cats and stairs, because he already has the death rattle.

[@b.valentine5283]

If JJ really did climb up on top of the cabinets, it may have been to get away from Chad :(

[@river8760]

And because he was taken off his meds, which was another cruel thing Lori did to that poor sweet boy. 😢

[@freespiritsuzy]

Uh, this guy David’s nuts

[@BusyMagnaBee]

David doesn’t know all the specifics of their belief system, yet he’s dating Lori’s best friend and devoted acolyte, Melanie Gibb. And now he’s married to her. So she kept her deeply held beliefs quiet with her boyfriend? I’m quite a bit cynical. How did he know Chad was married and knew his wife’s name was Tammy? On the Hidden True Crime KZbin channel I’ve seen posters for PAP conferences that show Warwick & Daybell as speakers.

[@ellisdicaprio]

David was featured in a PAP interview with “from gangs to gospel” as a tagline for him talking about his past 🤨🤔

[@contralilozi50]

He was part of all of it

[@mustafabuljko4335]

This lady prosecutor. Very intelligent women One of the best I ever heard following trials. Nice job mrs Smith!!

[@AliceA333]

I feel the opposite. But this is a huge case, so she definitely deserves a curve.

[@feliciarizzo6841]

I agree...she is on point and articulate

[@robinboutin1721]

I think she needs to be more aggressive -

[@jacyayers4446]

She’s great Very clear in her intent (questions) calming voice and clear & precise. I’ve been on a stand testifying. I wish they would have been clear and calm like her. It makes the listener at ease & able to answer the questions more easily w no hiccups!❤️❤️❤️❤️👍

[@ciobalina7445]

I mean, she has so much evidence, it's not like she's doing anything in particular. The people in the comment section are very biased because they've been watching the media for so long which is clearly against Lori and Chad, given the information we have. But the defense lawyer is just doing what he can with the almost 0 amount of things on his part, that can help him. To me most of the witnesses seem crazy. Almost all claim they had visions, see the future, claim they are religious and bla bla, but almost all have been divorced multiple times, cheated on their partners or started relationships before actually finalizing the divorce.. they are all some crazy people and more should be in trial for these deaths because they are simply put - coocoo. David Warwick seems not all there either. All of these people were part of this crazy church - the LDS; they already believed in things that I see as stupid and even dangerous.

[@gaiagreen2690]

I thought that this guy was ok when the hearing begun, even though he seemed to fish for an excusal with that story of having seen Gibb's testimony. Now I have a strange feeling of dread that this nightmare story is Warwick's way of saying he witnessed what happened to JJ without really saying it directly, since neither he nor his then-lover Melanie Gibb did anything to save that poor child. So it became a story of how he had a nightmare sent by the devil, she wanted Chad to give him a blessing, no one was there so no blessing happened but Warwick was suddenly very anxious to go and see his own son with Down syndrome asap... How very convenient. Warwick did, however, make sure to corroborate Gibb's story about Chad and Lori not being in their room the night that Alex murdered the boy, implying that all three of them were outside burying the child. Other than that, it is the same desperate attempt to distance himself and minimize his involvement, exactly like Gibb and Pastenas. That tight circle of deluded religious fanatics is suddenly just a loose group of casual aquaintances... But I am sure that in private, the Warwick - Gibb couple are congratulating themselves at having made such a narrow escape.

[@jenniferhansen3622]

I never thought of it like that before! 😮

[@jimskeuh]

wow, that's how i think too!!! well put. i too believe this strange couple (who dont live together) made a fabricated story to fit their narrative. were they in same room or not? it does suggest that melanie is all behind it, convinced her partner to say the same to save their skins. "Don't look at us we have no part in it, instead look at Lori and Chad" -- evidence by the testimony of Gibb stating she went to check on Lori's bedroom and she got no answer implying that both weren't there on the night JJ was last seen.

[@lisak5804]

​@@jimskeuh 💯

[@katherineharvey3669]

He is lying

[@malibudolphin3109]

KZbin is out of control with ads !

[@OneLaw214]

"No harm no foul" is exactly what his client/Defendant thought when she judged pple dark and therefore it was OK to murder them. She's evil like her father the devil.

[@hannannah1uk]

And yet they had the audacity to say they were personally involved with Jesus Christ. Is this Mormonism or the Daybell cult? John 8.44

[@lynnsmith4]

Why would David have the worst nightmare of his life on the same night JJ was killed? Also, would it even make sense that a child didn't get home until after 10:30 but before 8:00 that morning all these things... .he climbed cabinets, Alex was called, Alex came and picked him up...that's a lot to have happened in a morning before David and Melanie had even came down the stairs. These things don't ring true. Makes me wonder if some type of ritual wasn't performed that night and David and Melanie was more involved than we know.

[@annied9864]

She stopped talking to him because he was ill, what kind of wife/person would feel that’s ok. A Godly person, I don’t believe so!

[@FernVert]

Came for the testimony, stayed for the comments. You guys are hilarious.😄

[@youaremylight2172]

It's sad that so many Christians get divorced. The Bible says its because of hardened hearts. They divorce and remarry right away. David and Melanie are married & live in different states....I'm guessing Melanie cannot find work in Utah where her husband lives? This entire group has me scratching my head.

[@Im.a.king.not.a.princess]

I believe they have elder parents to care for at the moment

[@melanie9369]

Utah has a very low unemployment rate - easy to get a job.

[@sheilasmith7779]

Ubu: Well said. These people did what they wanted while pretending to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[@water2wine1]

Warwick is a strange man.

[@SEABIRDSYMPHONY]

If you watch the recent video that is up now that showed the property management firm was renting or selling Lori's townhouse in Rexburg and him saying that when he went in there it was felt extremely dark, eerie and evil feeling in that townhouse. I believe David was possibly either seeing what happened with JJ that night or he was being attacked by an evil spirit himself. I truly believe.

[@yourinnerlawyer4035]

In the garage there was a box labeled JJ’s toys.

[@astrialindah2773]

​@@yourinnerlawyer4035 and they mentioned JJ making this little house box, I believe the night they were all there at Lori's house for this gathering...😮

[@terryanglin6847]

I do believe David didn't believe what Chad And Lori babbled about. I believe David has his own way of believing, but I do believe David's beliefs are not evil. Lori and Chad make up there own beliefs for money, lust and murder. I do believe David is an honest, good man .He realized Chad was a manipulator from the beginning. I'm sure is isn't happy about going to court , and put in the spot light. I bet he wished he never net Chad and Lori. And his dream seems to me that the good Lord was reaching out to David when JJ was being murdered...wow

[@ericdahl2915]

It can't be a coincidence that all of these LDS members are completely odd and out of touch with reality as most people know it

[@tcook564]

Keep in mind that these people involved in this case have twisted what the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teaches. I have been a member of this the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints all my live. I've never been taught anything like castings or zombies. I have been taught all my live to live more like Jesus Christ,be kind to people,love one another. Obey the laws of the land. We all have agency, we can choose for our selves in all things. We know that we can choose for ourselves, as we choose for our selves as much as anyone can. How ever we can't choose our consequences, Chad and Lori have chosen to live a very different life than what I've been taught, they are and will receive the consequences for their decisions. I believe that earth can and will give Lori live in prison, but the true consequences will come after this life. That is up to god and Jesus Christ. I also believe Chad will receive his punishment here as well. We still live by the Ten Commandments and one of those is this shall not kill. These two doing this crap and say they are doing it in the name of Christ is blasphemy,they will be judged for that. We will all be judge by our works so be kind to each other,love one another as Jesus love us.

[@Malama_Ki]

Because they learned it from the example set by Joseph Smith and the magic hat!!! Anyone that would follow that charlatan is already lost. Look at the power of money and influence that worldwide cult has. The reason they didn’t sue Southpark is because ITS ALL TRUE!!!! Watch that and laugh

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

Have you read the Book of Mormon? I did, and omg, it's....out there. They even say all people with non-white skin are carrying the mark of Cain and therefore have to atone and they have the truly fun claim that we indigenous are the 'lost tribes of Isreal" lmfaooooo

[@mammak4126]

These people did not follow the LDS teachings. This is not what LDS people believe.

[@SledDog5678]

​@@tcook564 Thanks Terry. Agree!!!

[@pinkpugginz]

Warwick is so full of crap. He sounds ancient. Very telling he had that horrific nightmare the night he stayed there.

[@wat5213]

This guy is PERFECT for Melanie Gibb. They are BOTH those absolute air-head, see-right-through-their-eyes type Mormons that have no idea what’s going on in real life. With all due respect, a lot of Mormons are super nice but sometimes just absolute airheads. This trial is giving me flashbacks to all the cute little Mormon girls I’m highschool that were more corrupt than the rest of em. ALSO: when I saw Melanie in that sketchy police interview exude excitement and raise her hands and clap that she is “finally married” I about died lol. A 49 year old cheering that she is married to investigators that are investigating multiple murders

[@tkc7188]

YES! Melanie had Very bizarre and cringe behavior in that interview!

[@andsuddenly4252]

It’s like sure Warwick sounds like a nutter in cross but Mr. Defense attorney, I don’t believe that his visions and nightmares and angels told him it cool to murder his children.

[@mariamendez4543]

East Idaho News, Nate Eaton, I'm sure Lori loved knowing that 😂

[@emccarthy2503]

He knows he sounds like a nutter saying he has visions, what is it about these LDS members claiming to have visions, they’re barking mad!

[@CountessKitten]

Seems like he is trying to throw a wrench in this trial to me.

[@caolet518]

I read an article recently, though I believe it was written back in 2021 so I’m not sure whether circumstances have changed, but the article stated that Chad had transferred his home and property via a quit claim deed to his attorney, possibly to cover the cost of his legal fees? The article stated that this is a controversial move, which I understand, and it also points out that that the transfer of the property will not be nearly enough to cover estimated legal fees. Now I’m curious about how someone in a situation such as his would be able to cover legal expenses, especially in a case such as this where it has already been in the works for over 3 years? And, does this mean he has hired himself an attorney while Lori is using public defenders?

[@HeatherRose2023]

When the cases were joined, Chad was paying the attorney fees. Once the cases were separated, Lori was assigned a public defender because she is indigent. Not sure about Chad’s attorney now.

[@Jerseybaby19]

Well he got 400 thousand from Tammy's death so unless that has been frozen he can afford the fees

[@caolet518]

@@HeatherRose2023 That totally makes sense, thank you for that info!

[@caolet518]

@@Jerseybaby19 Now I’m curious about whether or not he received a life insurance payout from Tammy’s death. It seems as though he would have been paid as it was initially declared a natural death, so I wonder if he will have to repay that once he is convicted of her murder!

[@Jerseybaby19]

@@caolet518 he did receive the payment for sure it was discussedun one of his hearings. I'm not sure if and when it was declared a murder he would have lost it too

[@katalindejong8388]

What a crazy religion is this getting married, divorced, married, divorced . 🤔

[@thrillalova1212]

The FBI need to keep tabs on all who believed Lori Shallow/Chad Dumbbell...if this happened once,it could happen again

[@lisal2018]

😂

[@LouxNUH]

these people and not knowing their wedding dates 🥴

[@cookiemousse4415]

These people keep changing their story. Melanie gibb is the worst offender! They went to visit that property with a small group of them looking at the land for the preparing of the people! Melanie gibb said that initially a few years ago, & has backtracked ever since! Now they & zulema say they didnt believe any of it! Bull crap, they were all totally drawn in & involved! & Melanie knew that Charles Tammy & the kids we’re in danger & she could’ve saved them!

[@jimskeuh]

this preparing for the people is not part of their mormon relgion is it? so ofc melanie and david would now deny any involvement because that could have serious consequences for them today and the church they follow. Were they totally in it? i think so yes, melanie more than david. why would u be part of postcasts if it wasn't part of your belief system

[@seekingjusticee]

MELANIE says don’t waste money on a hotel …….. LORI HAS AN EXTRA ROOM

[@jimskeuh]

so , that means they didnt sleep together, but to make their "nightmare creation" believable they had to sleep together, otherwise gibb couldnt tell she went to to door to check if lori/chad were in the room

[@Georgie14]

I appreciate DW’s honesty but WHY would you read about the trial after you’ve been suppenaed ! Couldn’t they have created a big problem?!

[@wendybennett5243]

Rriighttt🤬🤬🤬🙄😊

[@lynnsmith4]

Two reasons probably. Hoping he'd get kicked off the trial as a witness and making sure he knew what Melanie said so he didn't contradict her statements if he didn't get kicked off.

[@Georgie14]

@@lynnsmith4 agree!

[@denisedeane8218]

They sound like two 95 year olds conversing.

[@Im.a.king.not.a.princess]

It's the way the Mormons speak honestly

[@cyn3971]

The men's voices are so weak can barely stand to listen to them.

[@loriwalker9991]

Can I just ask the group, Who the heck believes anything about these children turned into Zombies??? Is that the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever heard?

[@jimskeuh]

i dont know if you believe a body has a soul and you believe in possession, then it's not too far fetched to think an evil spirit can take over a body. ofc if you mean zombie as in the walking dead that's a whole different story

[@kathleenb.9917]

It sounds like this guy was picking up on some kind of evil vibe at that house.

[@TeeJayNZ]

He knew something was off that’s for sure

[@graedot]

I'm only halfway through but I don't understand the vitriol in the comments for DW. He seems honest and the most sane person of the Chad Lori group I've heard so far.b

[@T.Rex33]

He has changed his testimony.

[@onelifedontwasteit8568]

That’s actually not saying a lot though!

[@Malama_Ki]

Because he was involved hook, line, and sinker. They’re all batshit crazy.

[@astrialindah2773]

People like to think of themselves highly, and they do this by putting others down....😢

[@graedot]

@@onelifedontwasteit8568 Lol. Good point, it's a low bar, but I stand by my opinions he seems honest.

[@amandadierenfeldt7052]

Odd wording: supposed to witness [it] - uhh witness a Non-existent temple? In a field. He isn’t just being respectful it sounds like he was very much into it. And we know Melanie was