The Seed Oil Scandal: Exposing the Hidden Dangers in Your Diet | Cate Shanahan, MD

[@GizzelleBrookes-vs5ec]

I appreciate the honesty here and the information that you both are trying to get out to the public. I'm glad I came across this channel.. There's very few people you can trust.

[@Sourpusscandy]

I don’t eat them and I read the labels and avoid that stuff like the devil.

[@jimrutherford2773]

@@Sourpusscandy I'm the same. The problem is most people are too lazy to spend a few seconds to read the labels. For those just starting out it's imperative you read the entire label down past the ingredients as many of the products have Contains this or that. We found one yesterday in our cabinet that said Contains soy. That went into the trash.

[@williamhenry3337]

Yes, the oil was originally used as a lubricant for machines but it had a bitter taste. Canada found a way to reduce the acid thus Canadian Low Acid Oil (canola). The seeds have now been genetically modified to be herbicide tolerant so the fields are sprayed with Roundup to double the yield. I'm sticking to extra virgin olive oil and avocado oil.

[@jimcameron3134]

You might consider adding coconut oil to your choices.

[@ballapalleballe]

Would be good to share links to a couple of studies confirming the dangers of these seed oils.

[@lars2894]

The fact that something like 15 out of 700 studies are selected to be published which all happen to have the same narrative that demonizes saturated fat and glorifies seed oils is proof enough to me. Academia in human nutrition lost all credibility loooong time ago.

[@robbailey464]

There aren't any. People are being so mislead with this anti-seed oil fad. There is a mountain of evidence supporting the health benefits of seed oils and virtually none to support the notion that they are bad. People could find the randomized controlled studies for themselves by simply learning how to use AI to do some research.

[@sleepinglioness5754]

I wish she had given a list of recommended oils. My Mother raised us to never use vegetable oils, etc....she was so far ahead on the value of food and proper diet. I've studied the effects of foods for 40 years and I attribute it to being raised with a smart Mother.

[@freedomfighter4990]

Animal oils are safe ^ healthy: Ghee/butter from cow's milk (100% grassfed), lard from pasture-raised pigs (not fed corn or soy,) suet from pasture-raised grassfed beef, chicken fat from pasture-raised chickens. In terms of plant oils, unrefined coconut oil & virgin avocado oil are safe & healthy. All of those oils have been used in cooking by humans for thousands of years. Anytime I come across a new food or oil I'm unfamiliar with, I get online & find out how long humans have been consuming that food. If my grandparents or further back ate it, then I'll try it.

[@sleepinglioness5754]

@@freedomfighter4990 Excellent!

[@dannyc9784]

Tallow, lard, butter, ghee

[@freedomfighter4990]

Seriously. Check out old recipes from your grandparent's generation. Read those ingredients. You won't find anything you can't pronounce. The fats they cooked with were lard, tallow, butter or bacon grease. South of the equator, it's ghee (which I love becuz it doesn't need refrigeration), coconut oil & avocado oil. Just swapping out seed oils for healthy oils will be a big boost to improving anyone's health.

[@stevensevek6151]

Most of the seed oils are still good sources but only if they are unrefined, not damaged by chemicals or high heat and thus cold pressed and preferably organic (not subjected to pesticides) & from clean sources. Care needs to be taken to keep them in cool dark places once opened. Or you can eat the nuts and seed the oil comes from like walnuts, sunflower seeds, etc.

[@Char_603]

What SPECIFIC TOXINS are they referencing. It is much, much easier for critics to argue against their pisition without references to specific toxins. Its like saying "XYZ is a detox health procedure," but say WHAT specific toxins.

[@freedomfighter4990]

Go back to 12:14 & listen from there for a bit. The actual canola oil IS the toxin, even though the Euricic acid has been bred out of it. PUFAS are inherently fragile molecules & the PUFAs in Canola oil turn toxic during the manufacturing process.

[@markkubert8572]

I doubt that you will get an answer to your reasonable question. It might hurt her story.

[@falsie178]

I made the same comment to someone else under this video, also reacting to you as its unlikely you get an answer otherwise. I think she is mainly refering to the oxidation process, and if you google "endproducts of lipid peroxidation" you can find a number of chemicals and articles about them. If you individually search for these substances and their effect on the human body you might get answers. Ill list a few here : hydroperoxides, malondialdehyde, propanal, hexanal and 4-hydroxynonenal ( 4HNE ) the last one is said to be the most toxic.

[@freedomfighter4990]

@@markkubert8572 Seems that YT shadowbanned my comment. I can't open it now so I assume no one else can. And it wasn't even critical of the doctor, just of PUFAs.

[@annalane5430]

She just didn’t want to get too scientific for the viewer.

[@CalmVibesVee]

Dr P is always so gracious. I love it.

[@roxanne2977]

The intelligent truthful conversation right here

[@louisedavies6108]

Just reading the book at the moment and so was interested to see this. I have always had butter and not margarine, but with two teenagers , one of whom is very picky, we have got into poor eating habits with oven chips and chicken nuggets etc more than we should. All of it full of bad oils. I have planned a weeks worth of totally cook from scratch healthier meals with no hidden oils. Last night chicken and veg meatballs and pasta and tonight they had the meatballs in a bun. No complaints and all eaten. Hurrah! Tomorrow its potato wedges in olive oil and eggs and salad. Its my New Years resolution to make as much as possible homemade and with no seed oils. Thank you for the information.

[@hmlxur54]

The elusive danger of seed oils is that it’s prevalent in most process and highly processed foods, if it comes in a box, bag or can it’s part of the ingredients. In conclusion we need to go back to the basic in our food consumption.

[@stronzer59]

read about the Hexene process of veggie oils 50 years ago, great product for cleaning out engine blocks

[@carlschneider689]

Ancel Keys is still venerated on the NIH website. We will get no policy change until that changes.

[@robbailey464]

Keys was one of the first people to advocate strongly for a Mediterranean diet. We could all take heed to that advice.

[@dennisward43]

@@robbailey464 He was brilliant at cherry picking and manipulating data and destroying any opposition. He is probably the biggest serial/cereal killer in history.

[@stephenherschbach3494]

Great conversation! I recommend the Doctor connect with RFK Jr. I think they have common understanding. 👍

[@Gesundheit888]

Olive oil in the olden days was made by crushing the whole olive. The seeds in the olives were too hard to crush and were separated from the olive flesh. Now the olive seeds are totally crushed and whatever juices are in there is included in the olive oil. Since I was in Italy and saw how "pure" olive oil is produced, I no longer use olive oil nor any other oils. I use tallow, lard, butter, goos fat....

[@robbailey464]

You better keep an eye on your ApoB over the years. High dosage of that stuff over time leads to CVD.

[@Gamvrelis]

Dr. Carvalho on Nutrition Made Simple uploaded a new video today and has a whole different take on seed(y) oils.

[@GhostOfRT300]

Manufactures of seed oils will sponsor tens if not hundreds of “experts” in an effort to protect their multi million dollar industry. It’s all about money and profits.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

@@GhostOfRT300 He also talks about this "follow the money" point. Might want to watch it.

[@victorcs_]

​​@@GhostOfRT300​The dairy and olive oil producers don't need to have money. They all don't have to pay for electricity, water, land, workers, tax, profit...

[@mai9355]

Saw it. So confusing whom to trust.

[@stx7389]

​@@mai9355 Gil ofcourse, this people are flat earthers

[@nelsontang1055]

thanks for a great vid, too many not aware of dangerous oils/fats in modern diets beyond sugars

[@getachewgirma7311]

How can I forgive my patients for not giving them what I know but what I have learned? This is a great regret as a doctor.

[@danielhunt3622]

Be careful listening to this person, she's a bit frothy. She argues that oxidation alters the polyunsaturated nature and induces the formation of irregular cell wall components in the body. If a polyunsaturated seed fat gets zapped by free radical oxygen after being ingested, then it will likely be doing you a favor. It will either act as an antioxidant and/or be targeted for recycling. There is evidence showing HNE can cause problems, but not by the mechanism she explains. Maybe she's just not good at interviews. Alterations in the PUFA saturation will render it inaccessible to the lipogenic pathways of concern. The incorporation of polyunsaturated fats is very specific. Furthermore, her diatribe about cholesterol is misleading. Some cholesterol derivatives and precursors can induce what are known as non-canonical pathways resulting in adverse health outcomes, particularly if too much chooesterol induces a receptor bottleneck. If you have inflammation going on and an abundance of the wrong cholesterol intermediates it can lead to atherosclerosis, heart disease, and cancer. It is not good, particularly if you have the apoE4 phenotype for lipid metabolism. So get an air fryer and eat natural foods. And... Be very careful believing people. "...You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books. You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me, You shall listen to all sides and filter them from yourself." 0:20

[@CalmVibesVee]

You can not trust a restaurant to be healthy period. Also the server will not know nutrition info.

[@peterraymond1853]

VEGETABLE and SEED should be clearly separated.

[@grostig]

I think that vegetable oils are seed oils, or vice-versa. Exceptions might be olive oil and coconut oil and palm oil? Perhaps not even them.

[@riceisnice444]

@@grostigvegetable oil was always corn and soy. Seed oils are different. Olive is a fruit and coconut is a nut.

[@portfoliow]

Chinese restaurants, Japanese restaurants (most run by Chinese), change oils (soybean oils) once a week, as I personally know.

[@TheAnarchist01]

Rendered animal fat also has a high smoke point. Recently discovered the fat that everybody used to cook with. Amazing stuff.

[@KarsonsChannel]

will you do a video on pine esters beta sitosterol?

[@MickeyJessieCupid]

Please cite quality studies that conclude seed oils are unhealthy.

[@dennisward43]

Please cite quality studies that conclude seed oils are healthy. Given that these experimental seed oils are man-made products, why weren't these studies done 100 years ago before launching them on the unsuspecting general public?

[@ballapalleballe]

​@@dennisward43several RCT studies confirming they are OK

[@veniqe]

Read up on how plant sterols and plant stanols block dietary cholesterol from entering our cells and ultimately, our mitochondria. We need dietary cholesterol. There's no need for us to synthesise cholesterol.

[@robbailey464]

@@dennisward43 Here are some citations from studies indicating that seed oils are not harmful and may provide health benefits: Mozaffarian, D., & Micha, R. (2010). Effects on coronary heart disease of increasing polyunsaturated fat in place of saturated fat: A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. PLoS Medicine, 7(3), e1000252. DOI:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252 Imamura, F., et al. (2016). Effects of saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and carbohydrate on glucose-insulin homeostasis: A systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled feeding trials. PLoS Medicine, 13(7), e1002087. DOI:10.1371/journal.pmed.1002087 Hamley, S. (2017). The effect of replacing saturated fat with mostly n-6 polyunsaturated fat on coronary heart disease: A meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. Nutrition Journal, 16(1), 30. DOI:10.1186/s12937-017-0254-5 Hanson, S., et al. (2020). Omega-3, omega-6, and total dietary polyunsaturated fat on cancer incidence: Systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized trials. British Journal of Cancer, 122(11), 1701-1712. DOI:10.1038/s41416-020-0830-7 Rosqvist, F., et al. (2014). Overfeeding polyunsaturated and saturated fat causes distinct effects on liver and visceral fat accumulation in humans. Diabetes, 63(7), 2356-2368. DOI:10.2337/db13-1622 Let me know if you need a deeper dive into any of these!

[@StevenLewis-u1j]

Tomatoes were considered toxic in Europe for more than a century after their introduction from America. This was partly related to their membership in the Nightshade family as well as on the leaded plates from which the well-to-do often consumed them. I wonder why tomato seeds were never used to make a 'seed oil'?

[@robyn3349]

I still consider tomatoes toxic.

[@HSLSFirst]

There is a lot of talking and claims in this viedo but, there is no discussion about any randomized controlled studies to support these conclusions. It also happens that Dr. Gil Carvalho PhD at "Nutrition Made Simple" has just issued a video that shows the complete opposite conclusions based on multiple studies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6KxZ2SQYtajbpo He made several videos on seed oils. I tend to lean on science based claims. I would be curious to hear the counter argument supported by science.

[@Patsysmiled]

Do you really agree that overprocessed food is “healthy”?

[@HSLSFirst]

@@Patsysmiled The discussion is about "dangerous" seed oils. UPF is unhealthy whether it uses seed oils or other fat sources. Overeating in caloric surplus is the real problem, whatever healthy food one eats. I will eat a burger once in a blue moon and, it won't cause me any health issue as long as I eat in caloric deficit or balance and that it is not a harzardous substance.

[@robbailey464]

@@Patsysmiled Overprocessed sugary food is bad. It's not the seed oils that make it bad.

[@markkubert8572]

I would like to know what these deadly toxins are, particularly the ones that act like prions. Chemical names please. I would also like to know how olive oil can be good but high oleic sunflower oil can be bad. Those two can sometimes have the exact same unsaturated fatty acid compositions. I'm not saying that seed oils are good or bad. But, when Dr. Shanahan is convinced they are, could she share a few supporting clinical trial papers that we can read ourselves.

[@falsie178]

I think she is mainly talking about the oxidation, and then if you google on peroxidation you can find a number of chemical compounds such as malondialdehyde, hydroperoxides, propanal, hexanal and some more stuff. Using " Endproducts of peroxidation" brought me to some useful articles. You can google further on any of these to find out the effects they have on your body.

[@markkubert8572]

@@falsie178 As I had mentioned, olive oil and high oleic sunflower oil can have the same composition, so I can see why one would have toxic oxidation products and the other would not. The fatty acids don't know where they came from.

[@robbailey464]

@@falsie178 It's one thing to have mechanistic studies that shows these may be harmful to cells or certain animals. But without RCTs or epidemiological studies with intervention, the evidence is very weak.

[@paulinemasters3343]

Olives also grow on trees which would make them healthier

[@JohnSmith-gy4qj]

At what age were 🎉 the traditional Hawains dying with their traditional diet ?

[@tubarriffic]

In my years I’ve found it’s fools errand to try and teach patients what to eat while at the restaurant. It’s easier to stress the importance of good home cooking and what that is with an emphasis on what to avoid, including eating out too often. There are too many variables to consider when at a restaurant.

[@jimrutherford2773]

We made life simple. We eat all our own food. We know what's in it and frankly our home made meals taste better than restaurants.

[@dennisward43]

Eating regularly at a restaurant is like playing Russian roulette with your health.

[@jimrutherford2773]

@dennisward43 I absolutely agree with you. You never know what you are going to get.

[@jobrown8146]

About 2 years after going low carb (now at 3 years) I went to a large shopping centre and decided that I would buy my lunch. Going around the food court I realised that the majority of it was just cheap garbage. I ended up buying a salad with chicken but there was hardly any chicken in it and the majority of it was carbs which I only ate about half of. I'm glad that I did this because I now appreciate my own food a lot more. When I went out recently I took my own "waffle bread" (chaffle without cheese) and went into the supermarket and bought 100gms shaved ham to go with it.

[@jimrutherford2773]

@jobrown8146 I'm sort of in the same place you are. I'm three years into a low carb diet and after almost three years of intermittent fasting I can easily walk through the foodcourts at the mall without any temptation to eat, and in fact it's sort of entertaining to imagine I used to eat that crap. Three years later I'm 20 times healthier, and never enjoyed my own kitchen and home cooking as much as now.

[@P00dlz04]

As mentioned what are the seed oils you’re talking about?? I love my olive oil but down here in NZ it’s expensive???

[@riceisnice444]

Seed oils is an easy strawman. They never get specific so they don’t have to debate the actual science.

[@Dan-dg9pi]

I found this discussion to be very frustrating and ultimately unconvincing. Did anyone mention that many seed oils, like canola oil, are considered NOVA 2, not NOVA 4, which is the ultra-processed category. And on the subject of omega 6:omega 3 ratio, did anyone mention that corn oil is 83:1, sunflower oil is 40:1, olive oil is 9:1, and "evil" canola oil is 2:1? In other words, there are huge difference and so just calling a food "evil" doesn't make it so. And by the way, one of the good things about olive oil is the high amount of omega 9s. Well guess what other oil has more than 50% omega 9: Yes, Canola oil. Sadly, this is the disappointing level of analysis that passes for important information in the nutrition influencer class these days.

[@peterraymond1853]

@@Dan-dg9pi i agree The lot was a confusing mess.

[@edithz687]

The eastern Asians has been consuming Canola oil for centuries, as long as it is cold pressed and fresh - may not be a bad thing.

[@marilynroper5739]

These oils ,when heated, are unstable. It has all been explained in book, The big fat Surprise. Not that I would eat them cold either.

[@Dan-dg9pi]

@@marilynroper5739 What does that mean, "become unstable"? Also, the idea that one book -- by a non-scientist -- could have all the answers that thousands of nutrition scientists and biochemists missed, is just not how science proceeds. And if you wouldn't eat them unheated, then it sounds like you don't think instability is the problem anyway. We must move beyond these influencer no-go zones or we won't be left with any food that is safe.

[@Patsysmiled]

Change and insight is always difficult to digest 🙏

[@douglascapron9814]

Caonla oil, formerly Rapeseed oil, name changed to make it more marketable

[@danielhunt3622]

I find some of her statements troubling.

[@matthew8429]

The Truth About Seed Oils | FED A LIE | Full Documentary kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJTFdaCBm75op6c

[@andrewcannon205]

If you can run a diesel engine on these oils you don’t wanna ingest them.

[@letiunicalopez9147]

Most of people I know escapes from butter and cream or animal fat and use margarine and seed oils because they are sure it's healthier

[@GhostOfRT300]

They have been misguided.

[@Jayson90210]

I, too, know a lot of people and friends who use to laugh at me for avoiding seed oils..now my friend calls me out the other day he said he's going to start avoiding seed oils, like it was completely New concept invented by him 🙄

[@letiunicalopez9147]

@@Jayson90210 I read about seed oils in an old book named The Kousmine method. I think it was from the '70s or 60's

[@Jayson90210]

@letiunicalopez9147 Good on you! If you have been avoiding them since then, I salute you!! 😁

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

And they are correct. Seed oils are healthier than butter, or margarine. This is what every study done shows, there is no question about this.

[@ematise]

👍

[@TirsaFuell]

Great analysis, thank you! Could you help me with something unrelated: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@njsongwriter]

So you talk about these seed oils becoming toxic but you never give us the name of the actual toxins. We need these PUFAs. That's why they are called essential. It's not because they become oxidized toxins but somewhat the opposite. The unadulterated PUFA omega 6 and omega 3 fats are supposed to make up a substantial part of our cell membranes and they do. One of the main purposes of linoleic acid is to attract oxygen to the cell membrane like a magnet so that the cell can be fully oxygenated. Our cells need to breathe. They need oxygen. BUT when these seed oils are refined using chemicals or high heat they are damaged, not toxic but merely damaged, or adulterated. For that reason they can't attract oxygen to the cells to the degree necessary and the cells are deprived of oxygen even though blood oxygen levels are normal. Thus the mitochondria provides less energy and the body becomes unhealthy and prone to disease, especially cancer (which can't occur in an oxygenated environment) and heart disease. Fish oil is also not the answer. Fish oil becomes rancid at room temperature and even more so in our bodies at 98.6⁰F. Rancid oil will not oxygenate our cells either. Bottom line = avoid refined oils. Eating raw walnuts or raw sunflower seeds, especially if they are organic is good. Likewise, the raw unadulterated oil from those or other sources of linoleic acid are also healthy. PLEASE read the book called THE PEO SOLUTION, which gives all the details including the references to the studies and the research.

[@szymonbaranowski8184]

puts internally made cholesterol from liver ..

[@dannyc9784]

Eat Fatty meat fish & eggs rinse repeat, Thrive.

[@danielhunt3622]

I wish KZbin showed the number of thumbs down 😃

[@TheIgnacio777]

Vague examples and weakn explanations. The fact that we make cholesterol does not mean that exogenous cholesterol is good. I don't fear cholesterol, but that argument sucks and does not help right the narrative.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Wow this starts with such utter nonsense :)

[@williamhenry3337]

You just keep eating your diet and you will be dead by the time you're 60. Stick with cat videos.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

@@williamhenry3337 Im sorry but repeating "seed oils" does not change that high cholesterol is an issue. Who takes this "we have cholesterol in our bodies naturally" so high cholesterol is not an issue seriously :) Its childish. No one has said that you can gave any cholesterol, its about having abnormally high cholesterol.

[@riceisnice444]

@@Nobody-Nowhereexactly, and I am not a doctor but I believe the high cholesterol is associated with adverse heart events, not “causing” them. She’s misrepresenting the actual stance of mainstream medicine right out of the gate.

[@Patsysmiled]

@@Nobody-NowhereWhat is abnormally high that is the discussion it’s all about pills and money

[@danielhunt3622]

It's true.

[@unxformat5745]

F seed oils. F new media that don't know chit about chit. olive oil can be created without processing. so everyone here can just FO.