Was Bloody Mary that bad?

[@davidstarkeytalks]

Would you like to ask Dr Starkey a question? If so please join his Members' Club. Patreon Members' Club: www.patreon.com/davidstarkeytalks Subscribestar Members' Club: www.subscribestar.com/david-starkey-talks To make a donation visit www.davidstarkey.com Channel store shop.davidstarkey.com Thank you for watching.

[@aamyjune]

Dr Starkey, please come to Australia!

[@borderradiouk.1253]

The historian they couldn't hang became the historian who positively thrived. KZbin equals more viewers than Channel Four.

[@jamescollins3647]

Channel four is absolute braindead shite.

[@jamescollins3647]

@@TimLondonGuitarist I've given up watching tv news.

[@jamescollins3647]

@@TimLondonGuitarist Brilliant comment

[@dianeshelton9592]

@@TimLondonGuitarist are you such a wuss that you don’t understand the concept of personal responsibility? He said things he shouldn’t have done, he lost book deals and TV programmes , but here he is thriving on You tube. He has been punished for his poor behaviour now he is on his way to rehabilitation. It’s called personal responsibility for your actions and would happen in any job. Are you really trying to claim he has been “ cancelled”, no he faced consequences for his actions.

[@dianeshelton9592]

@@TimLondonGuitarist yes sorry not you the op, oops 🙁

[@mildredpaul4338]

There are currently university students paying £9,000+ a year for less content than this due to ‘online learning’. What a fabulous resource Dr Starkey is giving us. Imagine if we lived in a country where the finest historians presented documentaries (full of fact) and not just people whom the BBC and other channels concludes ‘ticks enough boxes’. This channel is an absolute pleasure for us amateur history buffs.

[@nickjung7394]

@@grahamcarr17 I agree. Who in their right mind would pay to be lectured at by any of the immature, petulant lecturers and "professors" in many of our "universities".

[@madfish369]

hear, hear! I was thrilled to find out he's got a channel!

[@petah-peoplefortheendlesst4668]

Also, there are currently University students that will go on #cancel rampages if they hear anything different from their "established" worldview.

[@teddyroon]

Hear, hear. It's 5 of clock in the morning, I've been listening to Mr Starkey since midnight. His lectures are like that book that you just can't put down.

[@paradox7358]

When you listen to talks like this, I'm reminded of Starkey's own words, that history is not some sort of continuous flow, but is made by events - by actions and individuals making decisions.

[@jaewok5G]

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

[@Redrosewitch]

Yes indeed. I never considered that about how Mary's reign failed. But, of course the fact that the poor woman never managed to have her longed for child would have left her half sister as the only remaining heir.

[@somebloke13]

@@Redrosewitch Phew, what a lucky escape!

[@kenwilliams4664]

From Saskatchewan Canada So glad Prof. Starkey has launched his own channel

[@davidmarsh9526]

History told so well. Interesting and just enough detail. Brilliant.

[@edwinleslie1330]

My father an EX police officer use to say. "In a confrontation never mind the big guy, watch out for the little fellow". Well the clowns who 'cancelled' him have found that out. Well done Sir. So interesting as well as educational.

[@Redrosewitch]

It's small mindedness in action. Whether you agree with things that Dr Starkey says or don't. He's a passionate historian that that brings his subject to life for us. And why on earth would you deprive history students of benefiting from his example. Simply because he said something you disapprove of. (Yet he also apologised for it. So I can't see why that wasn't the end of it.)

[@chevinbarghest8453]

I survived the "Napoleons" for my 6 years of service, but later, I was punched in the ear in pub by a 5 foot 2 leprechaun..... My dad was 5 foot 5 and told me when I was 15 that this would be happening. I worked with a 5 foot 2 marketing Director and he got foul drunk one night and looked at me through squinting eyes, and said "When I am Managing Director, I am going to fire everyone over 5 foot 8"..... Napoleon's actually height is in doubt but the principle holds...

[@petah-peoplefortheendlesst4668]

Starkey is dropping so many truthbombs & redpills on this channel. This is really sawcie stuff for KZbin.

[@cherrytraveller5915]

I seem to have missed something. This is possibly the fourth reference I have read about Dr Starkey being cancelled. Can you please explain what happened as I haven't heard a thing about this cancellation. I live in New Zealand so no news of this made it over here so I have heard nothing about this.

[@zeddeka]

​@@petah-peoplefortheendlesst4668you just said "red pill". You need to get off your play station, stop smoking weed, and get a job.

[@NSResponder]

Very interesting. I had never understood just how precarious Mary's position was immediately after Edward's death.

[@beverlyfletcher4458]

Yes and how she fought for it on the hustings! Imagine a woman having to do that.

[@treble20]

I always wondered if Edward was poisoned to death as some have suggested. Would love for them to open up his tomb and do tests on the body to ascertain the likely cause of death, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.

[@maccumhaill5534]

Thank you Dr.Starkey for all your efforts, real substance in your content, in an intellectually vapid world.

[@pazuzutru-truluv7094]

A fascinating didactic talk with David’s wit and personality shining through. Thank you. Once again the foolishness of the woke minorities and loss to Canterbury Christ Church University is our collective gain. Further enhancement of this great intellect’s status as a National Treasure we should all be proud of. The irony of these modern day left-wing fascists attacking our leading historian is even more [both] ‘tragic’ and ‘comedic’ when one understands Mr Starkey’s personal circumstances. Despite the prejudices endured due to his ‘life style choices’, David Starkey’s rise from the humblest origins to the historian of greatest respect that we celebrate today serves as the greatest endorsement of his brilliance and the ridiculous evil of the ignorant fools that attack him. History will mark the injustice of David Starkey and the guilty will be forever shamed.

[@jeekels]

I was going to comment exactly the same thing but I couldn't have put it better than yourself lol, kudos to you.

[@beverlyfletcher4458]

'Ridiculous evil' is exactly right. Thank you for that and an excellent comment.

[@jamesjackson7844]

My sentiments entirely.

[@badmattam]

Very well said.

[@CommonSwindler]

Starkey the Great. I hope he considers doing some content on Henry II, the Angevins, and the early Plantagenets. As an American, I grew up watching Monarchy, the Elizabeth I series, and the later series on Henry VIII. Dr. Starkey was the historian who first kindled my fire, as it were, even as a young teenager. That fire has burned to this day and burns brightest in my interest in English history, particularly the Angevins and early Plantagenets. Whilst other children had frivolous pop culture celebrities and whatnot, I had Dr. Starkey amongst others in my burgeoning intellectual arsenal. Even now, years on, I employ that arsenal daily.

[@paulklee5790]

This must be what being a history student at Cambridge must have been like... note I say ‘been’ not ‘is’....

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

I have a friend who studied under Starkey. He has nothing but the best to say about the man and his teachings.

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

As an Irishman my knowledge of English History is abysmal and this was just a wonderfully articulated story. You had right there, back in history. Methinks my boyhood fondness for history is being quickly rekindled. Happy days👏

[@janetbarkwith6369]

I just adore the comparison of Edward with Adrian Mole! Dear Adrian is a terrific favourite of mine. Thank you for reminding me of him, Dr Starkey.

[@renshiwu305]

People talk about Elizabeth's Tilbury Speech as though it was a great show of courage. Mary standing her ground in East Anglia as the Duke of Northumberland's forces were bearing down on her was a real show of courage.

[@Longshanks1690]

Does anyone say the Tilbury speech was courageous? I've always heard it described as an act meant to inspire morale among her gathered troops, not done out of personal bravery, as Mary would have had to muster at that time.

[@anncouper-johnston6112]

I think that is an example of the old adage that history is written by the Victor's.

[@Longshanks1690]

I honestly feel so sorry for Mary I, who is one of the most tragic figures in history. Her father discarded her mother, effectively driving her to an early grave in her betrayal and grief before being discarded by her own father as a bastard and forced to serve her half-sister, all of which would have had profound effects on her psychology, and then cursed with childlessness later in life and a husband who never loved her. It's not hard to understand why she was such a devout Catholic to the point of burning who she saw as heretics; The Catholic Church was the only thing in her life that never failed her, never turned its back on her and never failed to give her comfort or succor when the rest of the world must have seemed determined to crush her spirit as much as possible. It's a sad and tragic story, no matter what angle you come at her from.

[@kelrogers8480]

True, but those burnings were unjustified, cruel and horrific!

[@Kitiwake]

@@kelrogers8480 "bloody" Mary? Deserved? Should'nt that be "bloody" Henry, or indeed "bloody" Elizabeth?

[@kelrogers8480]

@@Kitiwake We are not talking about what Henry or Elizabeth did. We are talking about what Mary did. Let's stick to the topic, shall we? And, yes! Bloody, cruel Mary who had hundreds of innocent people brutally tortured and burnt alive, often with a green wood fire!

[@raumaanking]

@@kelrogers8480 hi I have a question for you imagine if Henry the 8 gave both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard a divorce and they were alive during Mary reign what do you think would have happened

[@wessexfox5197]

@@kelrogers8480 and? So were the Catholics who were persecuted and executed for their faith under Elizabeth. It was a different time when people actually took religion deadly seriously and were prepared to die and kill for their beliefs.

[@MT-kw4hn]

What a privilege it is to be able to listen to lectures from such an eminent historian. Thank-you Dr Starkey.

[@tech10k14]

Yes! Right here for this one.

[@MrDavey2010]

Great to see you back David!

[@isadora9773]

Thank you again , David! :) Love your work

[@jenrutherford6690]

It appears to me that professor Sharkey is more relaxed and comfortable than I have ever seen him .

[@Eudaimonia88]

An extraordinary historian and a man of courage, determination and resilience. Thank you for sharing your insights and wisdom, Dr. Starkey.

[@colinlavelle7806]

He's an anti-catholic bigot!

[@kathrynkrueger934]

Thank you so much for this!! Watching from Minnesota, USA!

[@phildiamond8549]

Excellent David! Little tip, if I might be so bold - sit a little further back from the camera.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

LOL, he is the proper distance until he gets excited and bounces around like an excited kid. That's why I love this man. A true National Treasure.

[@HoH]

Thank you for the fascinating story. I stumbled upon your channel thanks to HistoryMarche.

[@cognitivedisability9864]

Same!

[@miki09876]

Me too!

[@CanadianMonarchist]

I feel sorry for Mary I, but my sympathy is tempered by the fact she would have burned me at the stake.

[@pattierotondo1108]

Her father would have done the same to me.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

@@pattierotondo1108I’m a Protestant, but I don’t believe in transubstantiation. I guess he would have burned me too.

[@nobodyexpectssi4654]

@@CanadianMonarchist Enrique VIII quemaba en la hoguera y hervía vivos a los que negaban la Transubstanciación (después del cisma)

[@smythharris2635]

There are 4 downvotes on Starkey's analysis of a Tudor monarch. Is it because he is misinforming the viewers? No, it's simply because he's David Starkey. That's the extent of their "minds".

[@Mrs.Karen_Walker]

Yes they are either libtards or bitter protestants. Mind you the majority of prozzies are libtards.

[@puppetoz]

@@Mrs.Karen_Walker - like your stolen identity - your statement is vacuous as it is non-sensical.

[@Mrs.Karen_Walker]

@@puppetoz whatever sugartits.

[@annacostello5181]

@@Mrs.Karen_Walker ridiculous. Using this platform to spout your ignorant prejudice. Shame on you

[@pattierotondo1108]

Because truth has nothing to do with how they think.

[@jaynebuchanan4612]

Thank you, David.

[@albertmcmullen2669]

Well done David, welcome back. Although you never really left.

[@banbean2050]

Love David Starkey, his passion for history is contagious, we are lucky to have him, so grateful for these videos.

[@sanguinefan1734]

This is fantastic! It is a pleasure and a privilege for this RC Irishman to listen to a brilliant historian speak so eloquently on a subject of which he is master.

[@Eris123451]

Yuck.

[@cognitivedisability9864]

My man, i just researched abit about you and my respect has grown ten fold. Bless you. + you are the type of role model young people need. Salute!

[@kostoglotov2000]

Thank you David, you are much appreciated by many.

[@Cambrandreth]

Great Video. Mary I is a seriously underrated historical figure. Sandwiched between the giants of her Father and Sister respectively. I remember "The Forgotten Tudors" episode on Mary, along with Edward VI. Which were also excellent.

[@pattierotondo1108]

All three of those children were affected by having that tyrant for a father. He tortured his daughters and, even though he doted on Edward, the child grew up to be as cold and heartless as his father. His persecution of Catholics and his heartless and unemotional comments when he records his execution of his uncle, Thomas Seymour, expose him as wanting in humanity.

[@elizabethbaird3604]

This was excellent, thank you. 🙏 Your insights are profound.

[@matthewmeakins6144]

Wonderful! Great video Dr Starkey- I could listen to you all day!

[@louisacosentino9543]

Greetings from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA! I enjoy your other documentaries on You Tube very much. Thank you for posting them.

[@kernowpolski]

A lovely piece of work on Mary I (and probably last) - most illuminating, thank you DS.

[@AliSydney-qo7gl]

This was fascinating to listen to. Could listen this sort of info presented so compellingly for hours. Thank you!

[@bobdylan1677]

Great to have you back David Starkey!!!

[@beverlyfletcher4458]

Wonderful exposition of a fascinating and crucial topic. So looking forward to the full video! Thank you Dr Starkey.

[@Ozgipsy]

That was pretty captivating storytelling David. Have a look at what Mark Felton does in production. Great stuff 👍

[@frostylunetta]

I never understood why Elizabeth wasn’t branded “Bloody Bess” She did a lot of bloody killings and persecution against Catholics too during her reign

[@JariGrimshaw]

Wonderfully thorough, balanced and scholarly analysis of a complex woman and queen. Thank you for this.

[@paulsmith1499]

A captivating story, and an informative one because I learnt a lot about Mary. I have already learnt a lot from David Starkey's channel.

[@HW100]

A breath of fresh air, thank you DR Starkey, I am very much enjoying my daily lesson from you, I loved History at School and did well in it, that was thanks to two wonderful, engaging and very enthusiastic History Teacher's Mr Grigg's and Mr Holmes and I think back fondly on them both. I didn't do particularly well in much else and I don't really remember any other Teachers to be honest. But my love of history and great memories from those lessons well over 40 years ago, still remains, you are a very engaging Historian too, the cancel cultures loss and very much our gain, thank you.

[@moisesnanninpereira2764]

Beautiful piece of history talk. Greetings from Brazil

[@n.n.8423]

Wow, what an awesome video/historian. His ability to tell a story is extraordinary! He was merely answering a quick question in his study but I felt like I was actually living the history. I felt like I was watching a movie. The storytelling is gripping, exciting, and educational. I’m a new fan- can’t wait to watch more!

[@ambersmalley6619]

I'm so happy I have found this page !! This makes me want to learn more about Mary the first

[@Positivegainsnow]

Love your lectures, David! Well done spreading education and awareness. Appreciate your videos. 🙏😊 Best wishes from New York, Patrick

[@nickc6583]

Amazing historical content for free!! Thank you David, my favourite subscriber by a country mile.

[@gregorylittle1461]

Wonderfully presented as always by you, Dr. Starkey! I look forward to your full treatment of Mary in an upcoming episode!

[@michelletercha5344]

Thank you!!! I love your channel, your documentaries, everything!

[@ob1983]

So glad you set up this channel, really enjoying your content - thanks so much 📚

[@virginiaallen3406]

Truly enjoy your documentaries as well especially your voice. Thankyou.

[@keithjeffries7349]

An excellent and accurate profile of Mary. I look forward to further podcasts. Thank you indeed.

[@Eris123451]

That's debatable, although it's a mistake to judge her entirely by the standards and values of our own time. To my mind although he paints a sympathetic and probably too generous portrait of her he fails completely to rehabilitate her well deserved reputation as, "Bloody Mary." In fact even from Starkey's own description here the phrase that springs most immediately to mind is to describe her is still, raving lunatic.

[@pattierotondo1108]

@@Eris123451 I'm always amazed that people think of Mary as badly as you obviously do. Henry executed THOUSANDS more than Mary, yet you call HER a lunatic. Hardly a fair and unbiased assessment.

[@Eris123451]

@@pattierotondo1108 As unbiased as anyone who's taken a reasonably serious interest in that period and the personalities can be looking at it through modern eyes, although there isn't a completion for being, "most brutal," an all of them were pretty bloody handed and I definitely regard her as having been a raving lunatic and a religious zealot, (I'm an atheist,) of the most horrible kind. So no I don't agree with you at all.

[@versenelol5083]

@@Eris123451The most horrible kind would be Elizabeth, who for all her so-called Protestant tolerance, oversaw the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Irishmen, but Mary gets the disgraced reputation at far less the atrocity. An atheist of the modern period has little weight on the reality confronted by historical figures during the most violent religious upheaval in Europe. That Elizabeth or Mary or Henry killed religious opponents is never in doubt. The narrative that someone is the lesser or greater evil is the work of propaganda, you are being asked to pick a side when evil prevails on both sides.

[@Vintagevanessa99]

a wonderful summary of a complex and interesting Queen

[@lcbo5]

Wonderful video. The failure of Mary has always interested me, it’s great to see it explained with such knowledge and eloquence

[@jasonyoung2121]

Thanks for this channel David. Very educating, I love history.

[@popcult]

Fascinating summary about the sad fate and reign of Mary I. What an irony that this childless , rather unglamorous queen have her name immortalized by a BOOZE! I can’t wait for Dr. Starkey’s other videos on the Tudors and other dynasties.

[@peggyw172]

So glad I found your channel!

[@legionnairegonk4425]

Just as a side note: Dennis Waterman looks spookily like Mary!

[@albertarthurparsnips5141]

Haha !…He certainly does ! Bloody Hell !…Good old Tel’ !..

[@Vic-on5ic]

Thank you for your deep knowledge, wisdom and courage!

[@mstexasg6243]

I’m just so happy you started a channel. I have some of your books in my library and I am a great fan of your documentaries. Here’s a controversial topic as I’m sure you are well aware…would you at some point discuss the Shakespeare authorship question? Thanks 😊

[@elkpaz560]

Michael Wood presented a good exploration of this question years ago. Essentially the argument against Shakespeare is a snobby one - a grammar school boy, the son of a glove maker couldn't have imagined the worlds he did. Wood looks at his personal history and shows its insights. The same snobbery continues today discounting those whose knowledge and understanding of the world hasn't been produced by a university.

[@mstexasg6243]

@@elkpaz560 I own that documentary. There are a great many holes in the history. Believe what you like.

[@elkpaz560]

@@mstexasg6243 Could you send me details - it was a long time ago that i watched it.

[@ElliotOracle]

Brilliant. An extraordinary analysis of Queen Mary Tudor. Such beautiful storytelling. I was riveted. 😊

[@jacksonfilm]

That was a delight. Thank you Dr

[@t95kush27]

History Marche was the one that let alot of us know your on youtube now ! Would love to see you work with some of the other great history channels on here like History Marche, Kings and Generals, Invicta , Flash Point History and History Time!

[@olgyone1195]

Wonderful to have access to these free lectures by such an eloquent speaker, I would ask if you would consider a talk on Arbella granddaughter of Bess of Hardwick I thought I knew my Tudor history quite well and was shocked I knew nothing about her until reading a book after a visit to Hardwick was she a real threat to Elizabeth's crown thank you

[@EvsEntps]

Q & A is great to mix it up with the standalone lectures.

[@DavidOatney]

I look forward to that more full video on Mary I. As a Catholic, it is tempting to look for some kind of vindication for Mary's failures, but they were what they were. She was neither as bad as is often painted nor the saint her promoters through history often made her out to be.

[@marcokite]

true but had she lived and had offspring the protestant heresy would have been extinguished in England

[@DavidOatney]

@@marcokite realistically speaking we can't know that, we can say that it would have been severely hampered, but repression did not knockout protestantism in France (Huguenots) or Italy (Waldensians)

[@colinlavelle7806]

@@marcokite Exactly!!! and England might be a catholic country today!!!

[@davidevans3227]

i wonder if mary had been a king (if you know what i mean?) like um.. Henry the ninth or something.. and behaved the same, how would that have been looked at? she seems no different to a lot of others.. monarchs. they all seemed pretty brutal at that time.. didn they?

[@pattierotondo1108]

Henry put FAR more people to death. Mary is unfairly viewed as "bloody" when her father executed thousands more people. I think the only reason she gets that name is because they wanted to sully her memory because she was Catholic. That's what the "victors" do when they write history.

[@georgeorwell4534]

Thank you Dr. Starkey for your wonderful conversation on British history.

[@upperiscopeUK]

Wonderfully lucid! Thank you!

[@cherrytraveller5915]

I always find it fascinating that Mary summoned Elizabeth to witness the birth of her child. Mary was trying to inflict the same suffering on Elizabeth that Anne Boleyn had done to her. It really does show how petty Mary was that she was trying to inflict revenge on her sister for Anne Boleyn actions.

[@pbohearn]

However, one must remember that Mary had a very good opportunity to have executed her half-sister after the plot to overtake the throne was discovered, Mary called Elizabeth to London and Elizabeth dithered in a very obvious show of guilt, but she did not execute her and showed throughout her reign that she would not act on that revengeful feeling. Unlike Elizabeth, who did execute her Catholic cousin Mary, queen of the Scots, who would have inherited the throne had she not been.

[@nomahope3182]

If Mary was petty and vengeful. She would have executed Elizabeth. The fact that she did not do that and even named Elizabeth as her heir shows she loved her sister despite all the politics. If the roles had been reversed Elizabeth would have executed Mary just like she did with her cousin Mary of Scots.

[@liverloop123]

I absolutely loved this Mr Starkey, thank you.

[@SuperDare83]

This is so interesting and delivered so powerfully. Thank you

[@richardgreenhough]

A fantastic talk ! So fascinating !

[@dianacooper-havlik4115]

Fascinating explanation of Mary!

[@n0w3lly90]

That was a very interesting summary on Mary I. Enjoyed that

[@marthajohns4740]

Dr Starkey is such an expert on the tudors I have always been interested in this era and the way he teaches us about them I find fascinating brilliant Dr Starkey,

[@Eris123451]

I agree, it's brilliant additional material and you can never have too much of that and certainly not of this quality although it must be acknowledged that many of his contentions and and speculations on these topics can never really be demonstrated conclusively one way or the other; but then that isn't necessarily his objective which is simply to make people consider the evidence and to think critically.

[@elkpaz560]

Dear David. At school, Professor Elton was our authority on Tudor England and as I remember saw Cromwell as important in building the importance of Parliament and of taking England from a medieval to a modern bureaucratic government. I know he was your tutor and you talk about a disagreement. I'd love to know your views and the nature of the disagreement.

[@nickjung7394]

Thomas? Or Oliver?

[@elkpaz560]

@@nickjung7394 Thomas.

[@MagnumGreenPanther]

These are amazing videos!

[@merylmel]

Thanks for this fascinating piece. History and truth are so often uneasy bedfellows.

[@speakz6935]

Enjoying your content - any chance you'll do a video on Mary Seacole?

[@stevo5711]

Thank you Dr Starkey

[@sabineduret2512]

Fantastic 😊 👏👏 thank you so much.

[@adrianlawrence5208]

Well done David. More power to your elbow.📚✒️

[@tomasburns6406]

Love these videos!!

[@hectorbrown656]

Thank you.

[@treble20]

I always wondered if Edward was poisoned to death as some have suggested. Would love for them to open up his tomb and do tests on the body, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.

[@Britain_and_Rome]

You are, by far and away, the best example of an historian. Have you ever produced a video on Elizabeth's debasement crisis? I heard a wonderful lecture which touched on a link which ran from this period, through Cromwell, and onto the Restoration. I would love to know more on this period's effect on England, its finance, and its government.

[@trevoralleger9837]

Mr Starkey is is Historys finest Jewel, simply Briliant.

[@arnolddalby5552]

Absolutely brilliant history told including the background and emotion of the age.

[@dianeparker5993]

Wonderful, our very own historian...

[@craigjovanovich6450]

That was so fun to listen to!

[@rafaelsodre_eachday]

hi, I was told about this channel by History Marche. Now I'm subscribed to both! Let's go!

[@cs.0903]

Brilliant as always.

[@mikelesnar6560]

Dr. Starkey, do you dabble in hypothetical / alternative history? What could of been or how things would of differed had an important event or battle been different. How would things of been different over the course of English history and development had King Harald defeated Duke William at Hastings and maintained an Anglo Saxon England? Would the feudal system of been different? Would there of ever been a magna carta?

[@ScruffyTubbles]

Bastardised and humiliated. A very perspicacious and shrewd observation Dr Starkey. You do make people think.

[@jonathancarter1826]

Brilliant David, thank you.

[@arthurhallett-west5145]

interesting how a coward and multiple perjurer like Cranmer can be apotheosized into an heroic figure.