Davis City Council Erupts with Councilmember Greenwald Calling Mayor Asmundson a Liar

Davis City Council erupted on Tuesday January 26 when Councilmember Greenwald Calling Mayor Asmundson a liar during debate on an MOU for an employee contract. The meeting ultimately had to be adjourned with Mayor Asmundson falling ill.

[@goback3spaces]

I would like to make a motion to overrule the motion that was overruled by the motion to overrule.

[@imcoop]

I love watching City Hall arguments no matter what city-they are funyy

[@dadoodfrumcheers.]

I hope you are still enjoying ridiculous city hall arguments 8 years later , lord knows how many more there are out there nowadays

[@nathanlavon9136]

Right, ridiculous!

[@matthew28-acts238]

There is no reason for closed sessions period. They need to be illegal.

[@schwinn434]

I'm not a big fan of closed sessions, at all; however, I guess when considering a government is buying private property, or some personal issues, it might be temporary necessary to have closed sessions; however, that said, I agree with the idea that it seems we have way to many closed sessions, both on the local level, state, and even federal level.

[@mumpygumboo8554]

@@schwinn434 you're right, there are a few exceptions. They need to be "in camera" which doesn't mean filmed, but means in closed session. "In Camera" means in chamber, since camera is latin for chamber. One of the biggest reasons is when they are discussing HR issues, about either performance or reviewing other employment issues as it pertains to staff. Councils and boards are the bosses of staff. No organization should have those kinds of discussions open to the public.

[@a.true.raider924]

The process of "Closed Session" should be unconstitutional on the basis that people have the right know what our elected officials are voting on with full transparency. There should be no secrets in our government; especially at the local level!

[@r.scottlloyd5932]

A.true.RAIDER Utah law allows public bodies to hold confidential, non-public discussion for certain specified and limited topics. These include the character, competence or health of an individual; litigation strategy; collective bargaining with employees; and making offers for real estate purchases. We all want transparency, but the reality is that not all matters can or should be aired in public.

[@nancykelley7735]

R. Scott Lloyd exactly! It has just been misused just as so many other policies, statutes and laws have been

[@jefolson6989]

That will never happen but you are right.

[@georgemaherjr2290]

They must have some really fun Christmas parties. 😳😳

[@ubicaritas75]

Davis....this is what happens when you get too many smart people together in one city. College-educated self rightousness at its finest. YOu can guarantee that the wicked witch is 100% not sorry about this.

[@StrivingTowardsWhatIsAhead]

Grow some balls Lamar

[@gershep1]

Ms. Greenwald also bullies people who ask questions at the Farmer's Market. She always "has the floor." I'm so glad I'm leaving this nutsy city.

[@Roberino77]

This woman Greenwald loves the sound of her own voice and its tragic that people like this are a part of the decision-making process that affects the general public. Council members are representatives on behalf of the public and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would want to be represented by Greenwald. This woman is digging to slander anyone and anything as shown by her attempts to disclose proprietary information shared in closed session. City of Davis, remove her now.

[@nathanlavon9136]

Point of order, have not been recognized. Like to be recognized, okay go a head...bunch of clubhouse neighborhood kids arguing! Ridiculous!!

[@nathanlavon9136]

You are out of order, you are not recognized you do not exist! ...🗣👤👣

[@Smokey66s]

“You are out of order” WHY? “Telling the truth!

[@reubendunn1]

This is a show worthy of at least three bags of popcorn and a large Coke. I cannot help but wonder what the past 4 years have done with this cast.

[@andywander]

closed session is needed for some things, to follow privacy rules. Discussion of a particular employee, for example. I agree that closed sessions should be used as little as possible.

[@michaelduggan1890]

These meetings don't make me laugh much at all . They are terrible. these people are hired by the public but have no respect for the public.

[@43Aquaman]

I'd like to make a motion that Duct Tape be allowed in all future meetings.

[@pasnell]

Have these guys read the Brown Act? Voting in closed session? When was that legal?

[@mrGoesto11]

Greenwald said it well when she said "some people are not cut out for politics"...she is one of them. What a pushy loudmouth. She should be sent to counseling for creating a hostile workplace like any other city worker would.

[@steveebeling3505]

Mayor needs to resign if she cannot handle the stress!

[@robmullin1128]

The mayor sounds like she should have resigned if she cannot handle her position.

[@Tindometari]

City council politics, like academic politics, is vicious because the stakes are so low.

[@treemoon6394]

+Arkadia Moon I think the stakes are high for our peaceful enjoyment and traffic problem. More money for our incompetent police .

[@TexasNorthDFW]

Arkadia Moon You think that until they sign a law into effect that benefits you, or pisses you off.

[@deeremeyer1749]

What cave do you live in where your local "city council" isn't the closest and most potentially corrupt and uncontrollable level of government you're in closest contact with and most affected by? Or at least would be if you didn't live in that cave? Seeing what city councils, school boards, county commissions and other "local governments" can get away with literally under the noses of citizens not only encourages "higher" government officials to proceed with their "leadership" doing whatever they damned well please but those local government entities are also "factories" for the production of "leaders" who go on to "bigger and better things" at higher levels of government and quite often their assclownery at the local level becomes a resume' enhancing campaign and self-marketing tool for why its a good idea to "get rid of them" by electing them to "higher office". And if you think "academic politics' have "low stakes" apparently you either do not have or do not care about your children and the "education" they receive.

[@mikebagwell8229]

One time I went into a butcher shop where they hung meat from the ceiling in the back. I left without buying anything because the steaks were too high.

[@Vaga-Bard]

That's beautifully put... Anger and rage are luxuries of the poor.

[@vestel777]

It's awful sad that a Corrupt City Council won't allow a Council person even talk.

[@RobertSantos-rw8dy]

The Karens are going at it to the bones..

[@mrdayyumyum3712]

If the Mayor can't take the heat GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!

[@raverus2126]

All I hear is baby boomers going whawhawhawhawha! no wonder their WW2/depression era parents couldn't stand them.

[@davidbagley1783]

Go back to how life is supposed to be.. live free

[@StrivingTowardsWhatIsAhead]

Go ahead and attack away councilwoman. F common courtesy.

[@imcoop]

I don't know why-but these city hall arguments always make me laugh

[@georgeswca]

Right, Lamar???

[@hisdukeness3037]

I think ur city council and my city council should get together and go bowling

[@stinksterrekerinski4450]

Audio is 1/5 normal showing this topic is of great importance to public powers.

[@Libertygirl76]

Someone needs to send Greenwald a copy of Robert's Rules. Then they will probably have to read it to her; just don't let the Mayor do-Greenwald will insist she is lying

[@albertcalleros9489]

To paraphrase Jeff Slater (as portrayed by Bill Murray in the 1982 Sydney Pollack film 'Tootsie'): 'That is one nutty city council.' i have always harbored nothing but absolute disdain toward Davis City council member Sue Greenwald simply for her vituperative demeanor. isn't Sue Greenwald the 'doppelgänger' of the late Herbert Khaury (AKA 'Tiny Tim')?

[@mr.blutarsky2402]

People’s Republic of Davis

[@ginaven1]

No fighting allowed!!!

[@johnkiene]

If the others that were in the closed session won't speak up and validate Greenwald they should not be public servants.

[@clifflee2917]

mayor hauls ass after getting caught. lol

[@RWFBW]

Shouldn't be making motions in closed session anyway....

[@gilvogt4440]

Anxiety attack....then find another job....

[@lurchutube]

Why does Ms. Greenwald try to pass so much in closed session? It just makes the whole thing seem so much ... uglier.

[@BMJCARPENTRY]

Should NEVER be a closed session!!

[@pugernoufer]

Anyone else think Sue is being snarky against Ruth about everything because she used to be mayor?

[@cindysammy2513]

i was thinking the same thing. I think she's jealous

[@robroy]

I feel sorry for Lamar, he is the most considerate and mature person up on that dais, even though everyone else is old enough to be his parent. robus08, Lets not assume conspiracy, I know Sue and no one is feeding her lines on the laptop. She gets excited and sometimes she stutters. I prefer thorough to polished so I accept Sue. However, it would be nice if the council could get along better. Even Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch were friendly to each other.

[@ZombiesAteMyGF]

Lol, the little Asian lady in red could barely speak English. I really hope that’s not the mayor 🤣

[@robroy]

My hairline is thinning and somehow I feel like if I won the last election then I'd be bald already. However, I must say that Ms. Greenwald has a great knowledge of the topics. She scours the information and comes to conclusions that I find is in the best fiscal interest of the community. She may appear flustered in this video but the truth is often not the most polished thing. I understand it can get stressful on the dais, but public office should mean sacrificing time in pursuit of truth.

[@nathanlavon9136]

Remind me where I am?! ...Lol i😆😅🤪

[@firstnamelastname-ct7nr]

...dragonlady is not fit enough to properly do her job. ..I wouldn't even let her use a remote for a tv...

[@FromDallas]

MR HAYSTACK, IF YOU PLEASE!

[@riff2072]

What a brat that person is.

[@schwinn434]

I don't understand people running for public office, and then don't want public debate on issues - especially, from other elected individuals (people elected their representatives, so please let representatives speak, their are speaking for hundreds, if not thousands of people). If you time is so value, don't run for public office. I have watched many local government meetings, and there always seems to be a rush to get out the door, especially, if someone is saying something controversial. In a democracy, let people speak their minds. Again, if you don't want to practice free speech, especially in a democratic society, don't run for office, leave meetings that are too long for your liking, or don't attend to begin with. All this is in my humble opinion, of course - an opinion which is no better, or worse, than anyone else's opinion. And, if people don't like their representatives speech, they can vote them out of office come next election, or even have a re-call vote to remove them. Also, many meetings, like this one, are video taped, and most people can just fast forward through speeches, or comments they don't want to hear; yet, IMHO, again: many things you don't want to hear are actually educational- in order to become well informed, in general.

[@ladyj5682]

Where was the eruption? I scrolled through looking for it. It

[@robroy]

I fret about the divisiveness of this issue. I understand that these 11 minutes of video are not the 11 minutes we would ever want to use to represent the town of Davis. However, Sue does have a point that if she was just allowed to make her points uninterrupted it would have went more smoothly. Don is a smart guy and I think tactically speaking he tries to get Sue to misstep so that she appears like this and he can exert authority.

[@michaelgreen1365]

This is why nothing ever gets done because of this type of unexceptable behavior..

[@deedeediesel]

No more closed sessions for this group till you can play nice in the sandbox, I mean council chambers.

[@simontills7090]

You think that broad is always polite and always follows the rules?

[@sk00lb0y]

"Ruth not everybody is cut out for public office" BAHZING!!!

[@moegreen7023]

Lamar must have to drink heavily.

[@connieblackmon3932]

You should know you were not going to get a second

[@Sincopare]

I don't think LaMar is coming back from his coffee break...

[@joesimon8610]

no honor allowed

[@IrminsulMusic]

This woman's mouth just never stops

[@silvanomerucci9395]

Shut the window Lamar.

[@peterdurkin1499]

The councilwoman who wouldn't admit...so she gets off for lying

[@tomy5868]

...my position is very important and you should always listen to me.

[@adamstorey8825]

The lady in the green jacket has impeccable patience. They keep interrupting her.

[@Libertygirl76]

Oh, and Greenwald needs a copy of the Ralph M. Brown Act as well as a copy of Robert's Rules of Order. If she can shut up long enough to read either...

[@lisapoirier5449]

Hospital 3 times for stress? Step down. You're not cut for this. No wonder everything is a closed session, she doesn't want people to see how inept she is. Good for the councilwoman to defend herself.

[@merixcoatl20]

a rude public official is bad, but i think a lying public official is worse

[@StrivingTowardsWhatIsAhead]

Put these two women in the Bubbagon.

[@loganz]

this video is the best video i saw today!

[@seanoconnor9964]

when employee relations issues are discuss it is appropriatefor government bodies to go in closed sessions.

[@cindysammy2513]

she's so rude and nasty

[@olicorrivo3289]

Glad she tries to defend her honor, but if she has a tiny bit of experience in politics, she would know that just like thieves, there is no honor among politicians, cause people will use your honorable side to abuse you.

[@skyking228]

I'm always polite... Why didn't she present her case with a PowerPoint presentation?

[@dloverise]

+Sky King Because she's polite… powerpoint is shit.

[@xchanxzenx]

Go Greenwald! Call them out! Rude public official are real.

[@quiltmama]

Ah yes....Davis at it's finest. (checking to see if my Green Card is valid to travel into the Davis City Limits..)

[@Otaku155]

A female politician with honor? There's a new one!

[@jamesmolkenbuhr956]

I just love it when our democracy is held hostage.

[@robroy]

Why are comments being removed by authors. I do not like the redacted status of this conversation right now. I also do not like "closed sessions." When I sat on a governing board we used them very sparingly. To the public closed sessions tend to reek of shadiness. And I do not blame them because as a member of the public on this issue I also detect the stench. It would be nice to be able to actually see the record of what is being sited by the representatives so the truth can ring free.

[@IcyNami]

Some proof of this would be nice.

[@ubicaritas75]

I want to pass a motion to get rid of that blue bowtie. If I can just have 15 minutes to make my point..... God, I miss the god ol days when the DCC just talked about frog tunnels and keeping minorities out of Davis.

[@gershep1]

Proof of SG being a bully or proof of my leaving Davis? LOL There have been several letters to the editor in the Enterprise talking about Ms. Greenwald's "having the floor" at the Farmer's Market instead of answering questions directly. I'm not jazzed about the Mayor either.

[@peterdurkin1499]

Let's stop. "Closed sessions"

[@NoiseCollector]

this has to be california

[@helenamensah7274]

That lady is being a bully thats uncalled for, keep it professional!

[@mustange550]

How many times have they said "ok"? I counted at least 20

[@brandonseyfried1251]

Complete loons.

[@jesseh1]

Where is this place?

[@teeniebeenie8774]

is she ok???

[@davidbagley1783]

Get rid of these govts

[@cooldog60]

What was this about?

[@CubsFanJohn]

Was she reelected?

[@krazedegen]

Is she still the mayor?

[@43Aquaman]

I..think I hear...circus music..

[@TheMastermccoy]

Can stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

[@lockandloadlikehell]

HA!

[@Roberino77]

Birdmanofbooze, with several comments of yours removed already from here and a fittingly alcohol-centric profile name for your login, I'm beginning to wonder if you're related to the liberal "blog-heavy" Greenwald family too? Anyone at anytime can be baited and misconstrued. We'll never know if the aforementioned discrepancy would've been resolved because of the childish "I can talk louder than you" tactics of Greenwald. I do agree with you tho, Lamar seems like he's got his own issues too.

[@mustange550]

You know what I don't understand is how council members can have Laptop's to use for work (Paid for by tax payers, yet there are people loosing their jobs and people who have jobs but don't get the Luxury to have Laptop's. Yet Cities are going broke, this is the reason.

[@davidking1837]

I would be so afraid if she were my friend

[@915buck]

that sue bitch just wants to talk, and talk, and talk, and talk............shut up moron, talk about non productive!!!