Dawah apologists struggle to make sense of free will in Islam

EFDawah are at it again, failing to get to grips with the contradictions in the concept of free will within the Muslim religion.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

Thanks to everyone who left comments in the live chat.

[@Foundonetruth]

It’s an easy concept. I don’t understand why people don’t understand it.

[@XiagraBalls]

Go on. Restate the problem and then provide a solution.

[@AggToaster]

I don't understand why the robot argument holds any water. I don't think free will exists and there response is "but then you wouldn't have free will?!" Yes that's the view.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

Exactly.

[@El_Vanguard]

There’s a Hadith that spoke about Adam and Moses. Moses blames Adam for sinning to which Adam says that Allah had written his fate 40 years before his creation. Like wise, there another Hadith that states that Allah has written everyone fate while they were in the loin of their father. Lastly, there’s another Hadith that states that if we were not to sin, Allah would wipe the sinless out of existence. All sahih as wel.

[@XiagraBalls]

Yes, because Islam is an incoherent mess.

[@newguyat77]

Why all the dawah guys never quote quran or hadith for their theology is so weird

[@sayyidelahie9714]

Y u Worship a Man OUT A VAGINA IS so wierd🤡🤡

[@houstoneuler]

If those hosts wanted to give an answer from their sources, they could have given a story that Christian Prince has mentioned, where someone was brought before an islamic ruler to be punished for a crime. The criminal argued that he shouldn't be punished because everything was allah's fault for having determined that he'd do the crime. The ruler agreed with the criminal, but still punished him, by saying that allah had also decreed that he punish the criminal.

[@Ibrahim.l20]

Neither the criminal nor the king are islamic sources You're ignorant bro

[@houstoneuler]

@@Ibrahim.l20 tell me the source then, bro

[@yelbuck]

First off the 'ruler' you are referring to was a companion of the prophet Called Omar& secondly he NEVER agreed with the thief he simply stated that Allah also decreed he be caught and punished.

[@houstoneuler]

@@yelbuck thanks for contradicting the earlier poster who said this story wasn't from an islamic source.

[@blade9235]

​​@@yelbuck Yeah that's Called *"Agreeing"* Buddy...That is How He Confirmed by saying allah also planned to get him caught & be punished....He just Continued & Ended what the Thief started (The Conversation.)

[@fedesetrtatio1]

Foreknowledge is knowing before the action and predestination is preordaining the action.

[@StefanKees]

Pain killers are kicking in, so it's all quiet now. Sorry to let you guys down. Interesting pick of a video!

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

No problem Stops. Your family must take priority. Although you have at least now been live on my channel for the first time, so there's that at least 😃I'm sure we'll do another in a month or so and hopefully we can make it the 3 musketeers then.

[@uthman2281]

​@@drasticmeasuresislam What is your point about free will?

[@dorarie3167]

@@uthman2281I think his point is that there is a problem / contradiction with Islam claiming humans have free will while the future has already been written by Allah and nothing happens without his will. I hope I haven’t misrepresented their stance.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

@@uthman2281 We spent 90 minutes discussing it.

[@uthman2281]

@@dorarie3167 There is no problem.

[@Maj-sf9hx]

Great video mate exposing these jokers! (Still watching it but so far great stuff).

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

Thanks.

[@uthman2281]

Exposing what?

[@pulsefirefitness]

Your mockery will be thrown back on you on Judgement day by God. Don't worry.

[@ossierichie7868]

@@uthman2281exposing your cult’s stupidity and Al-Lah’s buffoonery. 😂

[@Real_vanGogh]

@@uthman2281exposing muhammed in his cave jerking off

[@roger5442]

Nice analysis. I think the issue they are missing is that it isn't just that Allah "knows" - he "predetermined" all moments/events etc. ie: all events are already decided - not by us, but by him. And if events aren't decided by us then we have no free will under such a system. eg: my being an atheist was predetermined by Allah; meaning *he decided I would be an atheist. If he decided then it wasn't by my "decision." If it wasn't by my decision then I had no free will to do otherwise.

[@uthman2281]

Do you believe you have free will?

[@roger5442]

@@uthman2281 It depends. 1) if Islam is true - ie: if there exists an all-knowing being that predetermined every moment/event according to *his *will, then NO, none of us have "free will." 2) If Islam is false and there does NOT exist an all-knowing being that predetermined every moment/event according to *his *will, then yes - I think "free will" is plausible.

[@Religiondebunker]

@@uthman2281why there is anti apostacy law in mostvislamic nation If there is not any apostacy law in islamic world then why muslim population is violent toward apostate

[@MrBebaslepas]

@@roger5442 "It depends" Seriously, are you really that dumb or just just playing stupid? i'm asking a serious question not trying to offend.

[@tonybs03]

​@@roger5442 The evidence of free will is pretty limited if we closely inspect the way our mind produces thoughts. There is virtually no way of knowing what ur gonna think next.

[@TruRedCRIME]

Boss you've made over 150 videos and amassed less than 2k of subs. That should tell you a lot The universe is determined. All philosophers accept this premise. You either believe in determinism or you don't understand it Free will and determinism are in sync but this isn't something to discredit islam with. As I said your vid to sub ratio explains everything. Maybe you should start telling the world what you actually believe, and if it's true.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

It tells me it's hard to build a channel that critiques Islam on youtube, but nothing worthwhile was ever easy. We are talking about pre-determinism by the Islamic god in this video. Free will and determinism may be in sync, depending on how you define these terms, but the Islamic conception is contradictory. My vid to sub ratio was enough to bring you here and it obviously upsets you, but I understand. I often do say what I believe in videos, but I'm here to critique Islam. A damn good job I'm doing too 😜

[@moonshine.9169]

Subscriber count does not determine truth value

[@blade9235]

Well, that's Because He Doesn't Do 20 min Videos...islamic channels thrive on Short Lived Content...because they don't care about Nuance & Detail...And When They do, They are advised by these Dawah Losers to Not go Deep into the religious theology, Otherwise they will go Astray & leave islam as a result...They only care about shouting allahu akbar, subhanallah down their comment sections.

[@thegroove2000]

So ALLAH is to blame for the Palestine's woes. So Muslims should just accept it.

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

christians associate creator & creations.. 1) the word "father" is for creation only. 2) Jesus is a creation bcos he is human. 3) so who is god actually? No wonder the gospels are anonymous

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

Jesus is NOT Isa

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

Yet Allah copies to make a counterfeit 3 of himself, his lifeless word in paradise which intercedes on judgment day and the spirit in jibreel which created isa, an angel mankind hybrid by bowling in Maryam privates ( 3 of Allah word spirit)m God is Spirit , as Father ,He is The Unmanifest, The One Who dwells in Unapproachable Light. The Word / Logos is His Manifest Presence, Who takes on flesh as Jesus to connect mankind in the physical realm with His Father in the spiritual realm through The Life Giving Spirit indwelling us through His atonement .

[@pulsefirefitness]

​@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 then who is he?? It's not even Jesus. That's NOT is real name

[@pulsefirefitness]

​@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388hey evil retard. Talk about God with respect. We may disagree but never disrespect God. You will be thrown in hell fire. Another things your retarded mind must know. Even before Islam, the Christians Arabs called God as Allah as they do till this day.

[@KsAxDJ]

Most of the Bible is of unknown authorship. All of the Old Testament except some of the prophetic books has unknown authors, and some books, like Genesis, show clear signs of being amalgamates of separate narrative traditions. In the New Testament, the gospels are anonymous, as is Acts (believed to be written by the same anonymous writer as gLuke, but we still don't know who that was!). There are thirteen Pauline epistles, whereof scholars disagree on how many he really wrote -- probably between seven and nine. The letters of Peter are probably pseudepigraphic (i.e. inscribed with a false name, a polite term for forgery). The author of Revelation is not anonymous, but claims to be someone named John. That's fine, but it's a common name and there's no information on which John it might be. There are also three letters of John...we don't know who wrote those. And there are epistles of James and Jude, both of unclear authorship. So there it is. The Old Testament is of entirely unknown authorship. The New Testament contains some letters most likely written by Paul, some forgeries, some books written by people with very common names, and some very important anonymous books.@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388

[@elliot7205]

There is no contradiction, only a misunderstanding as to how it is being viewed. The ishmaili philosophers shed some insightful views on this.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

I disagree. The contradiction is pretty clear.

[@elliot7205]

@@drasticmeasuresislam thats why evidence is important.

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

@@elliot7205 I agree evidence is important, which is why your religion fails.

[@M-Thee]

The core of their insular mentality lies in the absence of taqwa. Their streams unwittingly expose their limited grasp of religious terminology, showcasing a clear hypocrisy. AHMADIYYAT ZINDABAD 👊

[@Ibrahim.l20]

You dont have to explain free will We know that we have free will and we know that Allah makes his decrees. And thats all we have to know

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

Or to put it another way, you believe what you are told to believe without thinking about it, even though what you are told to believe is a contradiction. SMH.

[@XiagraBalls]

Neuroscience demonstrates that people don't control their own actions. You can't even control your own thoughts, as Sam Harris nicely demonstrates.

[@alimiah4487]

The freewill you claim to have comes with rules... He(Allah) knows everything but still, you're free to do but the so-called free will you claim to have is not freewill but governed by rules

[@drasticmeasuresislam]

I didn't claim I have free will but that is irrelevant. The point is you can't have free will if everything is done by the will of Allah. Just repeating the contradiction does not solve it.

[@api645]

boost

[@pulsefirefitness]

No time to talk about your ideology but waste time talking about Islam? Shameless

[@scrunchy7528]

The hosts are actually talking about how muslim Apologists have no problem to lie, deceive, manipulate and harras even muslim callers😮😮😮😮

[@KsAxDJ]

yes you noticed they are clowns they can't see that allah knowing what they chose doesn't mean allah chose for them, so hard for them to understand and the reason why is they try to go around the simple idea to make it look hard to understand hahahah.

[@C120.]

lol mad?