I Thought This Was Going To Suck

[@mrbingus-q7p]

You should revisit this using a CRT monitor designed for PC use instead of one intended for television. The higher resolution of a basic CRT monitor easily beats that of a TV CRT. Plus, you get better input options for a better image overall.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, TV crt's are good for period correct consoles. NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, the games coloring was designed for television resolution that's 480 horizontal scan lines. Anything else, you need a computer CRT. The most basic 800x600 old eMachines computer monitor blows away a TV.

[@chrisward000]

I suppose the problem is that decent Trinitron CRT monitors are hard to find and expensive. So expensive that it makes me weep how many of them I have thrown in a dumpster at work over the years.

[@tbray]

Agreed - i had a 19" CTR Monitor for ages - set me back about $800 at the time, but it was beautiful. You could have pretty much any resolution you wanted - so if the game was new and your video card couldn't do ultra settings, you just turn it down to 800x600 and turn the details up. I loved that thing. For a while I actually found *LCD monitors a bit of a step backwards....plus they were matte finish which was just *weird*.

[@tomboman]

Exactly what i was thinking, Should've used an PS1/PS2 on this crt. I own a couple of 19" Iiyama vision master pro's and a Sony GDM-F500 21" and the image quality on those, especially on the Sony is AWESOME.

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

Hear, hear.

[@AliceC993]

So, there's a big difference between a Trinitron TV and a Trinitron PC monitor. If you felt like revisiting this topic, I would suggest picking up a proper PC monitor as, while you're likely limited to VGA, there are some (usually larger) models that support resolutions up to 1600 x 1200 or even higher. _Those_ are what you want.

[@blunderingfool]

My iiyama does 1600x1200@75 with a maximum refresh rate of 160 at lower resolutions. I had my eye on a Mitsubishi Diamondtron something or other that would do 1440p at 77hz but someone has snapped that up.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I do have a Fujitsu x178, which can do 1920x1440, but the fonts become too small to read at this resolution.

[@blunderingfool]

@@hyperturbotechnomike I'm jealous either way. XD

[@bdhale34]

Dell p1130 Trinitron has VGA input and a maximum stated resolution of 2048x1536 19.8" viewable as well. VGA was not nearly as "limited" as most people think it was.

[@cs_mns]

Was playing 1600x1200@100hz 19"

[@Rambogner]

To feel retro I have turned this video down to 144p

[@rafsanulislam8199]

My one's already 144p

[@Kumimono]

It's ultra wide, tho. Petition for 4:3 content, coming up.

[@Gigidag77]

old TVs could display 480i at the very least

[@moji3812]

Damn😆

[@SAMIAMFNX]

I have a 480p phone😢

[@TrapperJohn]

The most memorable thing about my old Viewsonic CRT monitor was that the mouse pointer always looked like a solid object. It didn't smear or leave trails behind. It was like a tangible object gliding across the screen.

[@socaranectien1933]

Crts have ghosting, so it does leave trails if you look for it. It’s easier to see if your cursor is on a dark background

[@agrisimfarming]

@@socaranectien1933 Yes but as someone who has seen it in person it's nowhere near as bad as LCD ghosting and sample and hold blur (Even OLEDs can't escape from sample and hold blur, the only display tech that can is plasma and CRT)

[@markhackett2302]

That is because as soon as the electron beam leaves the phosphor, it is only retained emission that makes it exist, so for CRTs that are intended for 60Hz, there is VERY little lag, because that phosphor is either quickly overwritten (for older phosphors) or dies pretty quickly, sufficient to ACHIEVE 60Hz, but not anywhere near enough to achieve 120Hz because the beam has to leave and not input energy to the phosphor. LCDs can get 540Hz because they change and hold the impedance of light, and the relaxation time can be higher, but modern displays try to twist the crystal away.

[@VexAcer]

​@@socaranectien1933This is true, but it's only on black backgrounds though. Whereas an LCD would blur over the actual image. Of course this is just my opinion though but I actually like the trails. It's kind of a nice aesthetic versus LCD ghosting which just generally looks ugly.

[@mikeg2491]

@@VexAcera pong ball or Pac-Man moving across a black BG leaving a comet trail is cool. What’s not cool is playing a sidescroller or SHMUP on LCD and the background layer is smearing as it moves.

[@fullnelsontecmo]

VGA CRT is what you wanted to use for sure, or one with BNC connectors

[@snintendog]

Old computer monitor CRT that is the true CRT expierence that everyone is talking about. Though i wont give up my PVM for anyone.

[@KokoroKatsura]

RGBHV is VGA

[@DannyTan6675]

Just have Component ports modded into it, or even a RGB connector.

[@stevenwarner9156]

Yep; the TV Dawid has only does 480i at best, too!

[@iLoveTheseRemoras]

Dawid asked for the connectors at one of the local branches, but apparently the only the BNC headquarters in Montreal has them

[@EyesOfByes]

Soo glad my parents kept their B&O CRT from 1987. The audio is and was probably the best TV-sound possible.

[@rollingtroll]

Philips also had a few remarkably good sounding TV's back in the day. But then they sold a really shit bose subwoofer with those :D.

[@8KilgoreTrout4]

Bang and Olofsen NOICE!

[@darthwiizius]

@@rollingtroll I had a Philips Pixel Plus set with Dolby Digital sound built in, it had a sub built in to the set along with the front 3 channels. I worked in the industry and that set had the best audio I heard from a TV. It even had an input and function for using all the internal speakers, sub and all, as a centre speaker which I used running the signal from my amp. Such a good little function.

[@TobascoCatMC]

Those are just free or 5-20$ in Denmark. Can be found just lying around

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@TobascoCatMC Here in the Netherlands you can be lucky too. Scored 2 MX4000s for 35€. The paint is really sturdy, they came out almost pristine after a good cleanup and dust removal. The remotes can be missing though. Luckily one other B&O (MX1500) I got came with 3 remotes, so now all are equiped with one. Geometry is a bit of an issue though with certain models.

[@tushardas7334]

David.. I am feeling very low nowadays, watching you makes me laugh,the slightest enjoyment of my day comes with you, thanks for the video again.

[@davapod]

Keep up the good fight. I sincerely hope things improve for you. I fell into a terrible depression three years ago (covid/unemployment). Try and seek support from others that have had a similar experience, though avoid those that offer a pancea (life trainers/religious pan handlers etc).

[@tushardas7334]

@@davapod I will do my best

[@thingnumbertwo2]

CRTs have their uses today (i.e. retro stuff), and Sony Trinitrons are some of the best you can find, but this particular CRT is completely nerfed into oblivion by the lack of any useable inputs. Years ago I had a Trinitron with S-video and component inputs that was perfect for gaming, and that's definitely what should've been used in this case. Otherwise, neat to see this.

[@bdhale34]

A high end PC CRT has uses for even current gaming, hdmi/display port/dvi to VGA adapters exists and are the only sensible method of using one.

[@MrBluePoochyena]

@@bdhale34 best way to use a CRT is to own a 980Ti (the last and most powerful native Analog output GPU) for zero delay experience. The adapters add enough delay to ruin the experience and you really can't get high enough Hz's out of them. Believe me i tried when i upgraded from a GTX 960 to a GTX 1070 when i still owned a CRT. Even if FPS was higher, using the CRT via adapter ended up being way more input laggy and i couldn't get 800X600@140Hz (for CS:GO) out of a active HDMI to VGA adapter unlike with a direct Analog DVI to VGA adapter

[@saricubra2867]

Beware of degraded phosphors and electron guns. Many CRT TVs that i watched from tech tubers look like @ss compared to my 2002 32ich one i still have (i have a Gamecube and Wii connected to it). The electron guns and phosphors still are very healthy after all of these years, colorful and high contrast, still bright even when i have a window behind and the sun shows up.

[@Wrublos212]

@@MrBluePoochyena I manage to get 170Hz from cheap Chinese HDMI->D-SUB converter. Lag wasn`t noticeable. I do agree that native analog output is the best way but I was surprised how well cheap adaptor performed. I was able to max out my old CRT frequency.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

Not to mention these late Trinitrons have some other problems. 1) They look hideous, especially if you see where it comes from, a nineties Trinitron is a true beauty usually. 2) They had the looks of being stereo, where they weren't. 3) They were quite flaky, with yellowing plastic under the silver paint and on the remotes, breaking doors, 4) Input options were abominable. Either composite or single RGB scart in Europe. The tubes were marvelous though, with wide-gamut phosphors and very decent geometry (the tiny ones).

[@sirflimflam]

I still deeply regret tossing aside my Trinitron PC monitor back when I first got an LCD to replace in in 2005. Losing crystal clear 320, 480, 600 etc resolutions that weren't blurry hurt me almost instantly but I was sold on the idea of the future so dealt with it.

[@greggmacdonald9644]

I miss my old 19" PC CRT.. I ended up getting rid of it around 2010 because the phosphors in the display had become so dim it was basically impossible to use except in a dark room. Replaced it with a 60hz 30" 1600p IPS display that seemed immense at the time, which I suppose it was.

[@jsr734]

Some Pc crt monitors could also be forced to refresh at 100 or 120 hz. Now imagine playing at 120fps back in early 2000.

[@greggmacdonald9644]

@@jsr734 I think I did. 14" though, but still..And then I used a 19" around 2001, kept using that until maybe 2012 or so, when it had dimmed so much as to be unusable.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

I NEVER missed my IIyama Diamandtron a single day after I tossed it with a Eizo SW2431. Going from blurry unreadable flickering mess at 1280x960 (yes 100Hz still flickers), bad blacks, bland colours, to a crazy sharp 1920x1200 with good gamut, no-flicker CCFL backlight with a very nice whitepoint was like a godsend. I don't like it is probably shredded in recycling after I sold it, these models can be fun for FPS gaming, but I can assure you for NOTHING else. The Eizo still looks better than 90% of LCD's I see in offices on desks. I found out these old CCFL LCDs have some magic to them. I recently scored a NEC Spectraview from 2007 and that display is crazy, especially considering it was used by a photographer for 10 years. Sure, some full-screen games scaled badly, but after a few updates of the OS you needed to emulate them anyway, and then we got integer scaling and the problems of blur were gone.

[@voodfernichterofficial4745]

If you want to play some modern games you have to get a PC CRT. They don't have that awful whine and some have Resolutions up to 2048x1536. At lower Resolutions many can also hit 120Hz or even 160Hz

[@voodfernichterofficial4745]

Oh and because they just use a plain old VGA connector its not that hard to connect them to a modern device. You just have to be careful with adapters because almost no HDMI or Displayport to VGA adapters are able to handle resolutions this high. So get a 900 series card or get a startech displayport to VGA adapter

[@jbu89gb]

I had a Dell 21" CRT which used a Sony Trinitron tube, it outclassed panels for years.

[@voodfernichterofficial4745]

Yeah PC CRTs were incredible for the time. Sadly I get nausea from anything below 100Hz if I am using a CRT for over half an hour. Luckily my CRT can do above 100Hz

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@voodfernichterofficial4745 Don't get a 900 series card. I agree about the star tech adapter

[@blunderingfool]

@@voodfernichterofficial4745 In particular, a Startech DP2VGA2 is the one you want, it's second only to that delock with the 400mhz pixel clock.

[@SeldomSeen31]

I owned the last Sony HD CRT TV. It was a fantastic display. It also weighed something like 200lbs and was 3 feet deep. But damn, did PS2 games and those over the air 1080i broadcasts look amazing.

[@blunderingfool]

It was a pity they didn't always work well with lightguns since they ran at 100hz. (Flicker free)

[@Pasi123]

Sadly here in Europe we never got HD Trinitron TVs, even the best one (KV-36HQ100) was 576i 100Hz unlike the US (KD-34XBR960) or Australia (KV-HR36M31) equivalents which were 1080i 50/60Hz. It did use the same Super Fine Pitch tube though. My KV-32FX68E (16:9 576i 100Hz) is a bit cheaper model with a Hi-Scan tube. I also have a quite low end KV-28CL11E which is a bit rarer 50Hz 16:9. Oh and I have a KV-29X5E which is one of the best 4:3 50Hz Trinitrons in Europe

[@saricubra2867]

​@@blunderingfoolIf a CRT has flicker, change the electron guns or fix the circuitry lol.

[@strangersgt5632]

I have one and it gives the Oled in my living room a run for its money in picture quality but completely kills it with motion rendering and speed. I cant play games on the Oled anymore I just cant unsee all the imperfections

[@VexAcer]

​@@saricubra2867Flicker on a CRT is natural when it comes to interlaced 480i content at 60hz or lower. There's a reason consoles like the Dreamcast, Xbox, etc. had flicker filters by default or some games like Super Smash Bros. Melee or Pikmin 2 on GameCube gave you the option to enable/disable it.

[@DISOPtv]

I remember in 1993 at a major university working on people's computers and changing their refresh rate to 70Hz and they were amazed. Literally thought my eyes were going to pop out at 60. I bet their eyes thanked me.

[@blunderingfool]

Setting it to 90+hz at 800x600 would usually pop skulls. :P

[@retrosimon9843]

I had a 21" 1600x1200 85hz behemoth that raised the room temperature whenever it was on 😂

[@blunderingfool]

@@retrosimon9843Saves on buying a space heater. =P

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

Two suggestions I have is try to either get something like a Super Nintendo(or an emulator) to test this CRT. it will looks amazing as the games are designed to run on these. Second suggestion is to track down a fairly nice VGA CRT monitor, It will play much nicer with the PC.

[@GuyManley]

Just a couple of days ago I was over at my brother's house and he got a free CRT off a neighbor. Had a gamecube, n64, and a Raspberry Pi hooked up to it running retro pi. There's something just right about standard def games on a standard def display. Yoshi's island looked fantastic.

[@mtsarkful]

Saw a post about it, it basically blurs pixels together and works as hardware anti-aliasing.

[@stephenfuller300]

I had a 19" short-necked Trinitron for PC with an 85MHZ refresh rate. It was by far one of the best monitors I ever owned. One of the clearest pictures ever. It just took up lots of desk space. But I kept using it until the flat screens got better. I still miss that Trinitron though.

[@joed3010]

That tv is great for connecting retro game consoles to it. For a PC, you should have used a CRT monitor, which has far higher resolution and a VGA connector.

[@terig5584]

I too feel like it was yesterday that I figured out the huge projection TV my parents left me when they moved had component in cables and I could watch stuff in 480p. It was a revelation!

[@SoshiMECH]

You can actually get widescreen CRTs that do 1080i which would resolve the issue of not being able to see details.

[@ErynnDBuck]

As someone who owns one, ehhh... They have their own issues. Primarily that the overscan is massive.

[@konchy]

​@@ErynnDBuck what is overscan?

[@ErynnDBuck]

@@konchy Part of the picture that is beyond the screen's edge.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

Get a next year 2008 FullHD Panasonic plasma, usually free or 30 bucks max, and forget about this glitch in the history of TV making. The Pana has no overscan, and pixel-perfect wide gamut perfect motion display of 24p Blu Ray movies, something 4K OLEDs even don't do. And you won't break a spine. Still heavy at 30kg, but not 80kg heavy.

[@jeremy121690]

RGB mod it. Sony TV's are very "easy" to mod and documented well. Edit: Also the geometry issue can be alleviated some in the service menu. Google the model number followed by service menu, you can also fix the over scan in the service menu. The only down side to that is it setting the picture size for you pc may make the screen smaller for other things you would want to use the tv for ( classic game consoles, VCR, vintage pcs, ect) at least thats been my experience

[@fred_derf]

You're suggesting Dawid use a soldering iron... You may want to rethink that advice... 😁smiley included for the humour impaired.

[@jeremy121690]

@@fred_derf Hmmmm you may be right.... But theres a part of me that thinks that would make for a very amusing video 😂

[@awnordma]

That TV would be pretty good with a jungle chip mod. Maybe a collab with someone like @adriansdigitalbasement.

[@fred_derf]

@@awnordma I think shipping the TV to a foreign country to have it modded and then having it shipped back would probably cost more than it's worth.

[@brrebrresen1367]

@@fred_derf yeah... maybe just help him find something bit more suitable, something like an JVC TM or an cheaper Sony PWM... if that even exists...

[@GTAManRCR]

CRT TVs are made for displaying 240p/480i content. However Windows uses 480p (VGA) standard and it's derivations for displaying anything on the screen and this is why you can't have a high resolution image on a CRT TV. But CRT monitors on the other hand is made to support VGA standards

[@Tosted]

I like the new little sketch/edits you are doing, keep up the good work Dawid! Always watch your videos the same day you release them!

[@TheSeolyeon]

Well usually when i think of the term "assassin" , i usually imagine something, sneaky, going unnoticed, hiding in the shadows, maybe barely even seeing it. But for this assassin 4? thats a bit of a chunky boy, innit? like literally the complete opposite

[@ozzelot3349]

If you want to use a CRT for PC gaming, get a VGA monitor. TVs are ideal for consoles, up to 6th generation (or the Wii if that counts as 7th). I just got an old IBM E74, very similar to the one I foolishly got rid of as a kid, and even at a measly 1024x768, it's been awesome.

[@crpony]

I got a new in box IBM E74M monitor with built in speakers and microphone this year. It's a good monitor that works great for my Windows XP and 98 pc setup.

[@Greatone8991]

Great video, so glad these sort of TVs are a thing of the past. Just want to say i only found your channel about a month ago and i have already watched all of your past videos and fine myself waiting for your next upload 😂. Keep up the great work.

[@delllaptop6958]

For a long time, I had a 20 inch CRT in my room for extra stuff, older consoles, cable tv when I was using my other TV for gaming, and man I miss that little thing. It was so crisp, with decent colors and really good speakers. Unfortunately I had to sell it when I moved, but a good CRT is pretty dope

[@nathanc6516]

Honestly, if you want a period accurate experience, that's a fine TV. That's the type of TV most kids had back in the 80s or 90s in their gaming room. The better tv was in the living room. The input is also the input that 99% of gamers used back in the 90s. It really shouldn't be whining though.

[@jbu89gb]

Dell made a 21" monitor with Sony Trinitron internals capable of 2048X1536 with high refresh rates. You should do a followup with it. I used one for years as it was so much better than the early and mid stage panels. They are known to suffer from issues with brightness/contrast control when aged but can be fixed.

[@blunderingfool]

Phosphor aging is one of those unfortunate parts of the hobby. Keeping the monitors at no more than 80% contrast and as high brightness as you can get away with whilst retaining true blacks is the advice I've seen banded around. Incidentally to check for true blacks zoom out until the beam isn't hitting the outer edges, you should see a "highlight" around the edges of the picture where it meets some "black bars) if brightness is too high. Reduce it until the highlight blends in with the area not covered by the electron beam. Then bring up and all-white picture and get your geometry fixed. :P

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And there is also the pretty legendary Sony GDM-FW900 than can do 2304x1440 @ 80 Hz and 1920x1200 @ 85 Hz. Yes that is a 1440p widescreen CRT with over 60 Hz. And it can do up to 160 Hz.

[@blunderingfool]

@@HappyBeezerStudios A.K.A, The Holy F'king Grail.

[@devilmikey00]

@@blunderingfool AKA The Wallet Destroyer. If you can even find one.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

That Dell does crazy prizes, like 500€. Thank you. Next.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

I used to have a ViewSonic 20-something inch CRT monitor. It was beautiful. I sure wish I still had it. BTW, you can easily straighten out the line you pointed out. There is a dial/setting that will change it. The whine is the flyback transformer. It's getting ready to die on you.

[@fred_derf]

The improvement to the motion is caused by phosphor delay. On an LCD monitor each frame is a separate and distinct image, but on a CRT the image from one frame takes a while to go away (the phosphor takes awhile to go from lit to not lit) so it's still partially visible during the next frames. The overall effect is to smooth out any motion. LCDs have to rely on updating the individual images so fast that your eyes blur them together.

[@BigFatCone]

A blur, CRTs adds a natural blur

[@nyanpasu64]

No on LCDs each frame takes 16ms (or a frame duration) to disappear, CRT flicker is responsible for its better motion rendering.

[@itsJPhere]

That's just totally incorrect. A CRT constructs the image line by line, but the rest of the screen is actually black. To your eyes, the image looks normal because the cells in your eyes react faster to a bright light than they react to no light, so you see the ghost of an image that isn't actually there anymore. That's why it doesn't have motion blur from eye movement, there's nothing that could make the image blurred when you move your eyes across the screen. That's why some modern gaming displays have a flickering mode that try to emulate CRT behavior.

[@turle8645]

You should consider a monitor that was actually designed for use with a computer. They have everyone’s favorite Mesozoic period VGA connector, and don’t whine as much

[@handyman1957]

I totally agree with the others, you should find a PC Triniton and do this again and even compare the two side by side. You can definitely see the difference in motion movement.

[@krazykat64]

My youngest son (who is now 32) still has a circa 1992 CRT complete with VCR built in in his room at our house that he plays his N64 and a couple other consoles through when he comes home to visit. Still amazed it hasn’t died yet after 21 years.

[@jamesd9630]

I can still remember the excitement of buying a 24" BenQ CRT white monitor (it was massive) Then, the excitement of off loading it to a neighbour and rushing out to get an LCD

[@alistairblaire6001]

Motion really is great on CRTs, especially on retro games with lots of side scrolling. When I play those games on modern panels it's difficult to see things because the scrolling is blurry. Though I have never owned a newer LCD panel with black frame insertion which is supposed to help.

[@Kaelidoz]

So happy that you're talking about crt :) I have about 30s lol. Mostly high end PC monitors, but also some crazy tv sets. Can't beat that motion clarity yet.

[@DrunkJapanese]

I have one of those 32" VEGA Trinitrons and they look fantastic with retro consoles. It also comes with better video input options like S-Video and component which would look much better than composite.

[@freedomofmotion]

I remember being blown away by the difference between scart and RCA. Good times

[@RideRedRacer]

Scart is just a connector type. Scart can also be composite. You mean RGB Scart which is the same thing as component.. we all had the same video quality

[@DFX4509B]

​@@RideRedRacer RGB and YPbPr (component video on North American consumer AV gear) look pretty much the same, but they're incompatible at the signal level.

[@discopot]

Oh my I would like to see this again with a crt monitor pref a 1080p monitor, great video

[@CutlerycornerNetwork]

...that's a TV, not a monitor. Great for vintage consoles, but useless for PCs, even back in the day.

[@blunderingfool]

Maybe an Amiga? Or would a commodore 128 be as far as you can push it? Don't quite remember.

[@curiousfox4463]

I love it when KZbin notifies you that a channel you subscribed to has just uploaded a video but it turns out it's just turns out to be a video that was uploaded 4 months ago.

[@SOF006]

I hope you revisit this but with a proper computer monitor style CRT vs what you decided to purchase lol

[@moonman7777]

Yes, Amiga CRT monitors had exceptional picture quality over standard CRT TV's.

[@glitch200]

When going from CRT to LCD we made a huge leap in picture quality but a huge step back in motion handling.

[@saricubra2867]

What, early LCDs TFT had extremely bad black levels. Colors and contrast are way worse than my 32inch TV i still have from 2002, meanwhile an LCD from 2011 i still have has problems with the LCD layer and it looks very washed out with absurd color bleed.

[@saricubra2867]

The problem with CRT TVs now is that many of them that i watched from tech tubers have degraded phosphors and electron guns, they don't look the same as they did decades ago.

[@Frenziefrenz]

@@saricubra2867 Yeah, colors and contrast on CRT were much better. The reason we (as in humanity, including myself) switched to LCD is because it was flat, lightweight, and energy efficient. Picture quality approaching the same ballpark only started to trickle in a bit by the 2010s.

[@saricubra2867]

@@Frenziefrenz "2010s" Yes, LCDs using IPS is lightyears better than TFT. But then you turn off the lights and you notice the godawful LCD backlight. Plasma TVs also can have better image quality than LCDs but the energy efficency is way worse... I hope that OLED is now the standard, CRTs and Plasma for niche uses cases. I want a CRT monitor because Sonic Mania is unplayable on my LCD, it's a blurry mess. Humanity is wrong, we lost so much going from CRT to LCD, just like the transition from CDs to bad mp3s from the early 2000s.

[@lovemadeinjapan]

@@saricubra2867 That really depends. The majority of LCD's was TN back in the day, but I've a 26" 1920x1200 2007 AW-IPS NEC Spectraview I got for 15€ recently, and my rusty 2008 1920x1200 Eizo with PVA panel, and those outperform any CRT in my huge CRT collection on gamut, contrast and sharpness. They are SO good, I don't want to replace them with any generic curved 1440p office display you see today.

[@harrkev]

Back when a CRT was just what everybody used, there was an actual difference between a CRT TV and a CRT monitor. One was for TV shows and game consoles, and the other was for computers. For use with a PC, try to get an analog VGA monitor.

[@kanta32100]

TV probably has way lower resolution. It's fine for soap operas but not for gaming.

[@Pasi123]

@@kanta32100 Not for modern gaming* SD CRT TVs are great for up to 6th gen consoles

[@michaelcannaday3046]

Years and years ago, I had a crt monitor, and it was vga, and I think it was one of the largest. Either 19" or possibly 17/15". Hard to tell but it was heavy. Used it for a year also.

[@RERM001]

CRT gaming is still by far the best for old games like 8-32 bit era games, as well as old arcade games, specially the fighting ones. I still have my LG CRT and KOF 2002 can't look as good as that on an LCD. Well, that and old TV shows. Really, watching Serial Experiments Lain, Azumanga Daioh or Malcolm in the Middle on a CRT just feels like hearing Led Zeppelin or The Beatles through a well tuned turn table instead of the dreadful You Tube music app (or almost any music app). In fact, a friend of mine that has a mechanic shop still has his humongous SONY CRT which he uses to play old PS and PS2 games. My favourite is by far GTA SA.

[@Belnick6666]

no vga on that triton thingy? is it a tv? I have several CRT in storage, but I do not remember if all are VGA or some have dvi?

[@crestofhonor2349]

It is a TV and not a monitor

[@busterscrugs]

I'd love to see Dawid's reaction to a proper VGA monitor lol

[@jsr734]

and 120 hz refresh rate. 😆

[@ReallyNotTrixYT]

This feels like someone throwing a pool shock treatment into a kiddy pool, then being surprised that their skin is burning when they decide to take a dip in it

[@ManunKanava]

Well, there are 1080p crts.

[@blunderingfool]

Unless there's a holy grail I missed 720p was as high as CRT TVs went, which naturally puts 1080i on the table. :P CRT monitors are the ones that go up to 1080p and beyond. Mine does 1600x1200! :P

[@ManunKanava]

@@blunderingfool Oh yeah, I forgot that PC monitors go that far. Interesting that he bought a crt TV and not a PC monitor

[@adagioleopard6415]

I wonder if you can do scanlines in OLED too to get that same motion rendering feel?

[@crestofhonor2349]

Scan lines are technically the beams of light on a CRT so no you can't. You can emulate the look of low line count CRTs with shaders and filters

[@adagioleopard6415]

@@crestofhonor2349 you CAN scan the lines one at a time and update them live instead of using a frame buffer.

[@henson2k]

It's a shame decent CRTs are no longer produced

[@Pholiage]

Actually they are. But generally not sold to normal consumers. Some medical and industrial crts are still made. But they also cost associated to that

[@bdhale34]

@@N_N23296 That was a myth, truth is LCDs are far worse for your eyes because of how intense certain spectrums of light are on them they make special glasses because of them, a CRT wasn't dangerous unless you put your nose to it and that "radiation" was electromagnetic completely harmless with very few exceptions, if you had a pacemaker and had an unshielded CRT within inches of that pacemaker they might have been a problem, maybe. LCDs were much lighter so they cost pennies to ship compared to CRTs and they were also much much less expensive to manufacture and could be sold for more money, I wonder what motivated the CRT extinction. A 60hz CRT has less ghosting than a 240hz Oled, lower input latency than one too. HDMI and Display Port likely hasn't even caught up to VGA's capabilities yet either. The last spec for VGA supported something like 2560x1920 and that wasn't it's limit it was just the highest anyone had tried, that was 20 years or so ago.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

@@Pholiage In the field of endoscopy, CRT's are still used, since those machines are quite expensive. But AFAIK they are just using new old stock or "regunned" tubes. Regunning is a method, where instead of producing a brand new tube, which would be expensive, they just swap the electron guns at the neck, because that's the part which loses brightness over time. They have finite lifespan, like early CCFL LCD backlights. Some higher-end professional CRT's do have a built in time counter which shows how many hours the set has been running.

[@volvo09]

​@@N_N23296crt's don't irradiate people. It CAN happen with old vacuum tube televisions if you run the TV without the flyback cover in place... That issue was being dealt with in the 1930's.

[@Mr.Genesis]

​@@volvo09they also raise your electric bill more than a gaming pc depending on the size

[@TransoceanicOutreach]

I can't believe he's trying to evaluate CRT tech on a PC using a TV from the 90's. This is madness. MADNESS I SAY.

[@TheRealBitterbub]

Something to worth note, in my experience these kinds of TVs are more used for certain kinds of fighting games. Notably Smash Bros. Melee and its sort of, sort of not, younger brother, Project M (P+) for when these tournaments are in person. I should hopefully know -- I attend these fairly regularly lol Part of the latency, you are experiencing is more likely the adapter.

[@blunderingfool]

Latency is the adapter (Those in particular are trash), any "responsiveness" is entirely down to motion clarity.

[@saricubra2867]

​@@blunderingfoolThis is why he had to buy a CRT monitor but not a Sony one like the Sony FW900 (thanks to people like Linus, they inflated the price so much).

[@blunderingfool]

@@saricubra2867 My Iiyama cost a little over £100. Also as per the video the reason for buying a shitty TV instead of a good TV was "We couldn't fit it in my car". Not "I couldn't buy a monitor because they cost to much".

[@saricubra2867]

@@blunderingfool Yeah, the particular TV used on the video has degraded phosphors and electron guns, it lost a lot of brightness and colors look very washed out.

[@TheGameBench]

At one point we had one of those 36" Trinitron Wega models... and we moved a lot. It's a wonder I don't have back issues now that I'm in my 40s.

[@illuminatustm]

Somehow I’m intrigued about trying this 😂 also I’d like to see a comparison to a non-flat CRT so if you want to buy more crap I fully endorse it

[@blunderingfool]

Get a monitor for this, not a TV.

[@snintendog]

@@blunderingfool definately. Dont get a TV at all in general PC monitors are way better even now than normal TVs.

[@blunderingfool]

@@snintendog I mean specifically for retro gaming on a CRT. Even cheap 15 inch monitors are much more suitable than a bargain bin unit with a dodgy adapter.

[@crestofhonor2349]

flat CRTs tend to have more geometry issues

[@RideRedRacer]

Everything in this video is wrong. Definitely don't copy anything he did lmfao

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

I have one of the last 40' HD widescreen CRT from Toshiba. I have been saving it to build a retro gaming cabinet. I just have yet to find a cabinet build that will work.

[@solotopfeeder6976]

Thats a very nice experience... on low res. It has a nice cheating on the res.

[@blunderingfool]

He did literally everything wrong. XD

[@thomasainsworth6553]

dawid, try some retro consoles, the ditherting is where it shines the most! NIGHT AND DAY comparison to modern displays.

[@ProductionsByRayne]

one of the best crts you can get in that size! very nice find dude!

[@blunderingfool]

It doesn't even have SCART or S-Video...

[@crestofhonor2349]

True but the worst one for modern gaming. VGA CRTs is what he should have been looking at

[@ProductionsByRayne]

@@crestofhonor2349 you are correct! i just picked up a Dell Ultrascan p991 for this very reason!

[@ProductionsByRayne]

@@blunderingfool i believe this model can be modded to have RGB most kv trinis can

[@AshtonCoolman]

I have two originally $1200+ 21 inch professional PC CRTS. I use them with a GTX 980 with native VGA and they look amazing. They do 1600x1200 which is pretty nice for modern games. They're fun to play with.

[@Anti-Mafia420]

Dawid gets tech, Dawid uses tech in a completely unrelated way, People (will) cry and lose their sh*t, Dawid Enjoys. Win win for Dawid and me ! 🤣 Edit: extra feelings

[@keeperofthegood]

The whine is from the horizontal fly back circuit from the driver transformer/coil used. It can be fixed.

[@flippy9133]

thats not even a monitor lmao

[@lain328]

Love to see you come back to this concept with an HDCRT someday.

[@haikult]

Ive noticed the quality of your videos exponentially increase over the past couple months, really proud of you man! keep it up :D

[@bertnijhof5413]

Since 1993 I only used CRTs with a VGA connectors. I still have a Philips 15" CRT with a VGA plug.. Only my black and white monitor for my XT PC from the middle ages had a circular DE9 video connector.

[@CraZY.pRIME.]

You can find some decent widescreen CRT Tvs with HDMI, but of course the Monitors are better. The sony GDM FW900 is the holy grail. But the 21 inch trinitrons are good also.

[@flaminations]

bro how do you not have 1 million subs yet, honestly when i need to know certain things about gpu's or whatever i go to your channel bc you explain great details about them more then most people actually do

[@xbox2801]

Its interesting how 60hz on a CRT looks much MUCH higher than 60 on any other TV. I know the "Sample-and-hold" effect in which every frame is there until the next is drawn plays a huge role since a CRT TV scan incredibly fast leaving a large portion of the screen dark but your eyes just sees it as flickering.

[@Sb129]

Very classic indeed. I have a 1983 Magnavox TV as well as a 55 inch plasma (both vintage in their own way) and there is just something I love about them.

[@O_Shag_Hennessy]

Hey, what’s that OLED he’s using? The ones here in the US don’t have stands like that…

[@laptopstuff8886]

Yes. Miotion rendering is quite different. Since there is not motion blur at all. Literally at all, on CRTs. That makes the difference.

[@LexxDesign3D]

Modern displays have a lot of processing whereas the CRT does not, did you turn on game mode for the OLED to minimise input latency and improve motion rendering?

[@aus__]

i just wanna point out the cutaway skits/comedy. they’re actually pretty good!

[@pweddy1]

You should have a VGA monitor if your going to hook it to a PC. You could get them in much higher resolution and at least 85Hz refresh.

[@MrCed122]

For PC gaming, a CRT monitor is incredible (if you can find an older GPU with VGA / DVI-I or an active DP to VGA adapter). You get the motion clarity of a TV, but with a much higher resolution (from 480p to 1200p) and higher refresh rate (even the cheapest CRT monitor from the 00s can do at least 75Hz, probably 85Hz if you go down to 768p). It's also a lot quieter (it doesn't whine as much) and are usually less heavy. You still don't have the pixel perfect quality of an LCD / OLED, but it's at least enough to be able to read anything and not getting a headache. You can also find cheap Composite / S-Video to VGA adapter to connect old consoles on them or if you want to have the best quality, the GBS-Control (an upscaler designed to upscale older consoles to VGA and HDMI for modern TV) does an amazing job, I've played my Saturn using RGB on a CRT monitor a few times and it's incredible.

[@DickCheneyXX]

For PC gaming, a CRT monitor is incredibly obsolete. "You still don't have the pixel perfect quality of an LCD / OLED" is such an understatement. You get nothing with a CRT, 85Hz is dog shit. The OLED is just better at everything, its crazy what 20 years of technological advancement can do.

[@CFWhitman]

When I saw the TV, I was expecting you to use it for emulation of old video game consoles, since old games meant to be rendered on CRT televisions work well on this sort of display. They were designed for the way it renders images. For the sort of thing you were testing, you really should have gotten a high resolution non-interlaced CRT monitor (though that would probably cost quite a bit). If the Sony Wega was one of the early CRT HDTVs, then it would be more appropriate, but safest is one of the CRT monitors. I have one still, but one side of the display has some issues after all of these years.

[@RedAugust08]

I love this video simply because its Dawid level chaos. This trend of using CRTs again though, I think that's super weird. I remember someone saying not too long ago that content was made for the most common display of that era the content was made in.

[@EAGLEHORDER]

"HEY,.. WANNA HEAR THE MOST ANNOYING SOUND IN THE WORLD?..." 6:48 HAHA

[@Daermos]

Back in the day I had a 24" I believe but it had the red green blue connectors and I was shocked how good it looked

[@ronin_117]

My parents had a 40 inch tenatron when I was a kid, took 4 big guys to deliver it and put it on in our TV cabinet. Had to have the cabinet made out of oak and metal reinforcements to hold the weight. Crazy nice crt imo. Never went out or had a problem

[@baggatxips.6053]

I had a 22 inch NEC Multisync that needed a special desk, and I needed to use Health and Safety at work rules when moving it around - straight back, lift from the knees etc. It was absolutely glorious, but there was no way I could take it with me when I emigrated to China. It was a free gift from a pal, and I could never have afforded it either. But the colour rendition was glorious, it took years for flat screen image quality to match up to my memories of it. The house clearance guys threw it away because no way were they going to bother to shift it further than the front door...

[@MortalityUnleashed]

I have an NEC/Mitsubishi 24" CRT monitor that can do 2048x1536. I haven't used it for anything in like 15 years. Still turns on, to my knowledge. Back in 1999, it was basically the best display you could get.

[@therunnerupx50]

my guess is that the CRT actually renders movement worse than an OLED However, the worse rendering allows the human brain to fix the mistakes, allowing our imagination to fill in gaps and make it seem smoother. Its why older pokemon games look more appealing and natural than the newer, higher resolution ones on the switch

[@crestofhonor2349]

Nope. CRTs have better motion clarity than any display tech out there. The only way to get close is with strobing/Black frame insertion. Also older pokemon games ran at 60fps until generation 4. Generation 4 and onward runs at 30fps for every single mainline game

[@SBBUK]

I think you'd enjoy a high end plasma TV like the higher end models from Panasonic or Pioneer - they have crt-like movement/motion blur but not as hard to find these days, and have more modern inputs like HDMI.

[@lejoshmont2093]

We had a big one of those back in the day it was from their xbr line. It was big enough to have an internal sub. It also supported hd. Having a DVI and component inputs.

[@TaberBucknell]

I both sold Sony TVs and worked in television production in the 1980s, the Trinitron ruled for picture quality. The Trinitron’s single electron gun made for a sharper picture across the screen. The 13 inch Trinitrons seemed to have the sharpest pictures in the product line.

[@Boxeru13]

Just commenting to say that I did not have a Gaddafi reference on my bingo card when I clicked on this video. Truly hilarious stuff Dawid. GJ

[@rcairnut]

I remember luging my 19 inch Trinitron PC monitor, a 25lb tower (carried in a sling on my back) a box full of cables and a hub, in and out of many Lan Parties.. so much fun

[@VexAcer]

FYI you should've tested this set out with older consoles. Namely 240p ones like the SNES or PS1. Consumer TV sets like this maxed out at 480i so they're not good for anything designed w/HD or widescreen. When people talk about specifically playing modern games on a CRT, they mean PC monitors. CRT monitors like those that were used with supercomputers were generally high spec too. Like 1080-1440pish resolution at 75-90+hz.

[@voteDC]

My Mum had a wide screen Sony Trinitron CRT and it weighted a f'king ton. When it died a friend and I, two reasonably fit guys in our 30s at the time, struggled to get the thing out of her house. When putting it into the back of his car the suspension noticeably dropped. Now the CRT I have it a 14" Ferguson VHS combo, I still have a good collection of tapes, and the CRT is great for when I want to break out my Stunner for a bit of Virtua Cop.

[@nullsmack]

Yeah, why do you get a CRT TV for this and then hook a computer up to it? You should find an old CRT monitor. You might need a graphics card with VGA, or the DVI-I type port that can take a passive VGA adapter (The analog signal actually comes from the DVI port in this case.. the adapter just makes it so you can plug in a normal vga cable to that) That would give you much better results than relying on a converter to go from one type of signal to another.

[@TeamGun]

Last winter I bought a 27" Toshiba CRT TV and its glorious. I got it for $10 and it was only still available because all the other people that had came before me to buy it couldn't carry it out of the basement it sat in lmao. It's a great set, flat glass, component input, I went into the service menu and adjusted the geometry and its perfect I love it.

[@shawnrhode]

Movement on a CRT gets an advantage because of the “ghosting” that occurs. Basically, the phosphor dots that are lit up by the electron beam have a decay curve and don’t shut off immediately. This creates a natural softness to the motion. Modern displays have pixel elements that either turn on and off super fast (OLED) or never quite turn off, but do turn it very quickly (LCD). The problem is that our eyes (and brain) prefer it when things aren’t so staccato. Same reason incandescent bulbs seem more constant than some more efficient bulb tech.

[@carlosvalverde2928]

Ratchet and Clank on a CRT looks like those early 3D animated movies

[@SwishaMane420]

The motion thing you're talking about , I think, is the difference between progressive scan and interlaced.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

There are CRT TV's and CRT computer monitors. I ASSUMED when I read the title that you were going to use the TV for TV stuff and console games. If you want to play computer games, as I do, on a CRT you need a computer monitor. All the guys that rave about gaming on CRT's are using monitors , not TV's. On mine, the highest I can go is 1280x 1024, but I usually use 1024x 768. Part of responsiveness is that you are moving fewer pixels than you would with one K, two K, four 4 (or whatever you young whippersnappers are using 😉) The disadvantage is that CRT monitors require analog VGA from the video card, and only relatively old generations of video cards support it. Another oddity is that I found that Mac OS won't output analog when you get to Mojave. High Sierra and lower work fine. I sometimes watch video from my computer on a big CRT TV from the 90's. It has S-video as well as composite and the S-video is noticeably better. You can read menu's in game if the computer plays a game. Flight Simulator, for example. The problem with this is that video cards that output S-video are really really old, mostly pre pci-x and only 512k memory. I don't want to use a converter because I believe it blurs the picture, as you showed.

[@maolcogi]

OLED is great, but I have this tiny issue where it's so close to perfect with motion rendering, but there's still that tiny bit of blur that makes things like specs of dust or tiny pebbles on roads disappear. It's super minor, but I still notice it.

[@cd7140]

I love my 36 inch, 200 pound sony FD wega trinitron tv. Last gen of the crt that sony made in 2003 with dvi, srgb, svid, coax, VGA and a memory stick reader that outputs up to 180i. Still looks good to this day! Oh and the audio is rich and loud. Feel the power when you turn on this living large TV! Games are great on this beast in such rich black and vibrant colors.

[@echoingdespair]

you should revisit this but with a pc crt monitor instead of a tv. some pc crt monitors can get some insane resolutions and refresh rates even for todays standards and look amazing when playing anything on them. got one recently myself and dont regret it one bit.