Day 1 Smash Ultimate Tier List vs NOW

#shorts Crazy to look back at early ultimate

[@YungMarinara]

I love how yoshi's been in the same spot this whole time

[@lakey1237]

Hell yeah

[@lordesp1721]

Yoshi is just.. the best

[@EthiotendoEdits]

My main

[@joshla5436]

that’s all me

[@gabrielpearson6151]

Yoshi side-b is the only thing keeping Yoshi from being top tier

[@BryceMeurling]

It's not bad because its a day 1 tier list, its bad because it's a leffen tier lisy

[@WordDocument4]

Leffen doing the try not to be a clown challenge (0% success rate)

[@LazrBG]

​@@WordDocument4Leffen trying to not put puff in top 1: (Impossible challenge).

[@Oscorpior99]

It is terrible both have Piranha Plant on D tier

[@doofuscawt]

@@Oscorpior99 bc hes bad

[@Oscorpior99]

@@doofuscawt no he isnt

[@jo-mf7wl]

Sonic being so low in the first tier list made sense, because back in the very first days of smash ultimate, almost none of his multi-hit moves used to connect properly

[@drisslasfra6904]

He wans't in the bottom tier, they just didn't know where to put him

[@Bekyboi501]

In the 2024 tier list, he’s in the S+ with Steve

[@zahleer]

C'mon people. K.Rool is bad but deserves more love. Kirby kid makes it viable and he rarely loses to steve.

[@gumballcomics]

Kirby kid kracked

[@MJJ_2009]

no

[@adriantyrone8653]

WHY ARE ALL MY MAINS IN THE LOWEST TIER!!!????

[@Tidaltempest_]

Ganon is The best ❤

[@Celobia]

New one or old

[@gameknight084]

That’s what I’M sayin

[@lamogetrektlittlekidlol5757]

bruh fr like one day I go to search this up to see how good my mains are (thinking they’re high tier) to find tier lists saying they’re “bottom tier”😐😐😐

[@obwan1]

​@@lamogetrektlittlekidlol5757 playing casually is a very different meta

[@jsin22366322]

My joycon controller should be in f tier.

[@KiloRBLX]

My joy cons are either drifting, won’t connect or missing part of the joystick

[@Summit8351]

My joycons are definitely C+ They don't drift but they're too small and uncomfortable to properly use.

[@The360MlgNoscoper]

My joycons are also F. Pro controller all the way.

[@newrallyxeviousgamer]

Raise your hand if you think Kirby should at least be in C Tier.

[@modernartbluesful]

honstly it should be A or S

[@kozuraxy6133]

@@modernartbluesful What.

[@MJJ_2009]

fR he’s better than most of those characters on d tier

[@NinjaV_Editz]

Sonic got the biggest glow up

[@Ed_AlphA]

He is in unknown, not bottom tier

[@NinjaV_Editz]

@@Ed_AlphA thank god, I don’t want him to suck anymore

[@Brys2fest]

my dudes in s tier finally OUR GOAL IS COMPLETE GET SONIC IN S IS COMPLETE

[@toadboy4]

I hate Sonic with a passion in Smash

[@cobalt318]

He shouldn’t have.

[@xaviercancelastokes3475]

I'm a little Mac main and proud. This makes me feel better because I can main him well

[@Ojee07]

Mac is just so fun

[@taelin-rh3wi]

I remember my Mac days. I sweated him so hard back in Smash 4. Always thought he had hidden potential. But now? Nah I'm good. I like to play characters who can actually fight in the air and are not glued to the ground.

[@awesomeattic]

Kirby is god tier for real

[@StealthFoxx_]

Based take

[@hackercat8551]

he stronk

[@breaker617boston]

I think so

[@bananaduck14]

True but also I would rather him not be in the game at all then have to suffer being hit by his down b for the millionth time in a row

[@katyjorgie]

FR

[@ARICLOUDED]

Putting falco at #1 didn’t seem to out of pocket at the time, he obviously had some of the best combos and kill confirms on day 1.

[@dogblox13]

seeing luigi at B was not expected

[@jaydenthezoahking8473]

0 to death

[@AlguienTeLlamoBuho]

Steve and Pyra/Mythra are up there even when played by a lvl 9 A.I.

[@TeeArCreep]

Whatever your tier list says, the metaslave fears the low tier enjoyer.

[@maisie28_]

True, I like pichu, but I only picked then up AFTER they got nerfed down from S to B

[@MorrisPXG]

I’m proud that Greninja is still A High Tier Character

[@averageveeandearthandBALLERYes]

Indeed, sad about king though.

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

God, smash players even hated Pac-Man back then. Now, it’s for different reasons.

[@rolan.r]

Pacman is a hype character and i will die on that hill

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

@@rolan.r That will always be true!

[@drybonesmunchakoopas5143]

​@@rolan.rim with you the big brain plays are way past cool

[@TristenTimberwolf]

Pac man was always one of my mains

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

@@TristenTimberwolfSame here

[@Andrewski1954]

I get my rising uppercut is horrible, but you ain’t gotta do me like that

[@BattleCatsGuru]

Yeah facs, little Mac is busted or at least not F tier probably like B- or C

[@anthonyodom7691]

he hits so hard and controls ground game on top of having fox speed essentially.. but not air accel.. honestly his recovery is bad but i'd argue dr.mario has worst recovery

[@BattleCatsGuru]

@@anthonyodom7691 so true. Once you learn how to recover it becomes pretty easy

[@taelin-rh3wi]

​​@@BattleCatsGuruYou get hit by one projectile or sent at a bad angle and your stock is gone. I've played against Mac mains and I have been one as well back in Smash 4. Hes so predictable when he lands since 99% of Mac players use counter when landing which is a free smash attack or grab. Doctor Mario at least has a decent jump and air mobility. Also his down b is insanely good for mixing up recovery. I've also mainly Doc so I know this for a fact.

[@BattleCatsGuru]

@@taelin-rh3wi yeah little mac’s recovery is really easy to two frame as well or go off stage and punish

[@Cringe89563]

Reminder, this isn't taking online into account, online has alot of input lag, so the tier list is pretty different for online

[@Violetta-ql8mg]

The fact that Corrin’s on B+-tier is disturbingly wild to me.

[@jacoby5713]

The tier list looks so different now

[@AntMil2008]

PAC-MAN in E tier? Bruh. He's literally a top tier fighter.

[@StickyTheStickman183]

And My Boy G&W?!?! HES A FUCKING S TIER

[@Epicness787]

I think with Pac it’s because it took a while for people to master his set ups and mechanics

[@Lebronmemes]

It doesn’t matter use the character you like and your good with

[@SNORLAX8888]

like gonodork?😮

[@Lebronmemes]

@@SNORLAX8888 yes as long as you like it

[@SNORLAX8888]

@@Lebronmemes i do like the wYHA!! and the TooTHiEs and also AGgGRr and the MJmHnJSHAHAHAHahah thats gonondork i like it😐

[@Hello_Kitty_Fan]

Literally the definition of having mains in smash bros

[@dadid05]

​@@SNORLAX8888*Tornado* HMPH! *pills* *pills* *pills* *pills* I like Dr. Mario :)

[@slam6802]

You’re comparing the current tier list to a tier list that everyone also thought was stupid when it first came out. This isn’t a fair comparison at all lmao

[@Iso_SSB]

😂

[@ThatOneScienceGuy]

I'm glad he recognized how good Yoshi was. Yoshi was my day 1 main and I was a straight killer with that character. New tier list ranks Yoshi high as it should.

[@Goetaxd]

I won't allow them to put my man Ganondorf in such a disrespectful position.

[@firetigersage]

I'm just happy Samus is finally high tier 😢😂

[@krishivvyas6390]

How is kirby all the way down below he is the one who saved everyone in smash?

[@ItchyBurritoActual]

true

[@TheBlueDeclan]

More like using it 3 times until mario and never use him again

[@AryaAnimates]

I main sonic and I can’t believe that he’s in S, always thought he was mid-high tier, it’s a good day to be a sonic main I guess

[@The_Gabe]

The thing is, if you compare the current list to the early meta ones, surprisingly enough not much has changed

[@seasonslayer6093]

So Mario in D to top of A+, close to S Tier is not a big change? Unless you mean that most things are similar to where they used to be.

[@The_Gabe]

@@seasonslayer6093 , Mario was considered a mid-high Tier I think

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

@@seasonslayer6093 the tier list shown in video was day 1, not early meta like maybe 1-2 yrs into the game after some defining buffs and nerfs

[@seasonslayer6093]

@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy yeah true my b you’re right

[@LEANSWORTH]

I think Lucas should go higher but yeah seems fairly normal, maybe bowser jr a little higher in c tier

[@decknightlmao]

Honestly Lucas is better than bowser

[@InsaneInDaBrain_]

Pac-Man shooting up from E straight up to S is the craziest thing I've ever seen

[@doctordoom8875]

To be a fair a large part of this is also the buffs/nerfs given out over the years

[@yp.m1534]

Link and Ike are so low why they gotta do my mains like that 😔

[@kelshawnmiller9310]

Tbh I agree , I think link and Ike are underrated 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Goldrush452]

Link def underrated he's pretty good. Ike has strong and fast attack but omg ike has a very hard to adapt recovery. It's so hard without a jump.

[@yp.m1534]

@@Goldrush452 Ike was done dirty by the devs because they sold him as a slow heavy character and gave him bad recovery to justify his damage. Link on the other hand can be pretty strong but he simply is very easy to dodge a lot of the time

[@Cringe89563]

Ike I don't really think is underrated, link is definitely underrated though, it's just no one can really play link at peak performance yet

[@PichusBlueberryPies]

Pichu moving from A to B- is highway robbery bro.

[@Aplewood]

Bro, Pichu is the lightest weight character in smash bros.

[@JoelGarcia-lu3tw]

He got massively nerfed

[@dragonslime]

nah my heart sank when i saw my boy kirby in D+

[@gcat360]

Good to know my two mains, Pikachu and Yoshi, just so happen to be high tiers.

[@SNORLAX8888]

bro really loves using the B button as pRyA and mYtHrA💀

[@FabiZee]

No, look a pro agis Player in smash tournament ☠️

[@kyurei4478]

The problem with that is it's only based on character usage or wins. So it's no surprising this tier list makes sense. It makes too much sense actually cause it exactly reflects what we see in tournaments. But relying on what is played isn't necessarely an accurate representation of the character' strength. As an exemple, If everyone would exclusively play the same 5 characters, the rest would have to be in lower tiers but couldn't be rated accurately at all without datas. We also need to separate the character'strength from the player cause you could just say Incineroar is a high tier character simply because Sky Jay wins a lot lately with his chatacter. Byleth could just be considered S tier only because MK Leo plays the character at top tier level. A usage based tier list can at best be very partially correct because every character that isn't played can't be ranked fairly. You could just say the lack of usage for some characters only reveals they're bad, which in actuality isn't true nor accurate cause you can't precisely rank the character among the other least played characters for exemple. Also since money is in play, people just don't take risks and competitors play what everyone know is strong. That leads to very biased tier lists. Thus I would say don't trust what is below B tier (except the characters the whole community agrees on) and take B tier with a grain of salt cause some characters just don't have enough datas for them.

[@thenewseorarek9625]

Thats because incin is high tier, only thing keeping him out of s is his movement speed and predictable recovery

[@kyurei4478]

Incineroar isn't high tier. Nobody except Sky Jay is getting good results with the character cause the lack of mobility and bad recovery are too much of a problem. If you can't capitalize effectively on every occasion you're going to struggle a lot. That's what Sky Jay succeeds to do and that's why he's so good, not because of his character. Incineroar is underrated for sure. He really never deserved low tier rank in my opinion but he's surely not a high tier character. He's probably just a Mid-Tier if we're honest. We shouldn't be fooled just because a character can kill extremely early. That's a huge strength to have but it makes people forget the other weaknesses of a character. We shouldn't directly assume a character is actually very good either just because the character suddenly gets very good results. It's usually because of the player, it always matters more. We need to look at it with other players to see if players significantly get better results when they play a specific character on average to have a better idea. Also theorization is important to evaluate a character in a very neutral way. It's what tells us Joker or Pikachu are top tier characters despite the fact nobody actually gets results with them except MK Leo and Esam and Shiny Mark.

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

Im surprised people still say they can accurately rate characters we never see like toon link so confidently yet these are often the same people who rank shulk highly based off of "potential" when he's been the "potential" guy for 10 years. And Ultimate has had multiple instances where a top player wins with a character a few times out of nowhere and suddenly they shoot up the tier list (Mario, Pac, Sonic, etc) but theyll still refuse to give characters the proper time of day

[@thenewseorarek9625]

@@kyurei4478 thats why im not looking at results, im looking at the character. Def high tier, hands down, MAYBE you could make a case for high mid tier

[@kyurei4478]

@The New Seorarek If you were really looking at the character, that's not what you would say. Incineroar is in no way high tier trust me. Sky Jay makes it heavily biased. Same story for other characters with good players. He also profits from the uncommon matchup factor. Mid mid tier easily. You could make a case for high mid tier but that's really the best you can do and it's a bit of a stretch. Incineroar never deserved low tier I've said it since day one but let's not push too far.

[@RoonReplay]

Wow Peach is in S tier! i've always mained her in melee too she was such good character.

[@Polandball950]

Steve really showed his strength 💪⛏️

[@dbzdylananimations5015]

Kirby is underrated

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

Fr

[@dxn-copyninja1553]

King K is like A tier

[@hoi7173]

No S

[@LevelRevels]

K. Rool is a demolisher. Everybody seems to overestimate his capability as an enjoyable fighter lmao 😂

[@Lechgang]

Leffen 100% put the Belmonts at the top because he went online and got camped out by them. Real 'air time limit' type shit I'm guessing.

[@coltjackson4766]

If you get the right spirits for lil mac he can be the best character

[@Cringe89563]

💀

[@Lumppii.]

Tier lists can help show you which characters might be the best but I wouldn't reccomend using them to pick a character

[@autumnassassin8263]

Tier lists are complete bs unless you're playing in a high stakes tournament, I main Gannon and do very well online and against friends. Just pick whoever is fun and play them.

[@Lumppii.]

@@autumnassassin8263 Yea that's what I always done nothing funner then messing around with a character that you really like or trying to learn a new character. For me right now it's Mewtwo he's not the best but he's so fun to play with.

[@unknownnbased1745]

​@autumnassassin8263 if you take this game seriously whatsoever, tier lists are definitely relevant, although not the end-all-be-all. Going to even small local tournaments is pretty eye opening when you see people who main heavies getting absolutely tossed around by combo characters like they've never played before.

[@usmanaslam4505]

Ike deserves more credit

[@peakay5769]

Us Kirby mains been struggling since day 1 😭😭😭

[@jajajaun]

“why is k rool on top tier” i dare you to fight king of skill

[@ItchyBurritoActual]

king of skill is good but not top tier pro gamer MLG or anything

[@TheFalcoGuy]

Falco being the best character is true because he is the best Smash bros Waifu

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

And of course, the infamous “Hands off my- KAWK!”

[@Randommf-xg6tw]

Greninja can be an absolute menace when played well, he’s even fast enough to avoid ultimates just in time even with time slowness like with bayonettas ult

[@TOASTYFUNKIN]

The disrespect on Dedede is insane on both of these tier lists.

[@DexterousRed]

Ganondorf is D-, huh? Well, that just makes it more satisfying to win as him. Guess I have an excuse if I lose, though..

[@kelshawnmiller9310]

Big facts 💯😭

[@Chara2112]

Theres a thing called mains and opinions.

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

"And it looks like complete trash." As a K. Rool main, you're wrong and this is the only list that gets his position correct.

[@monk2780]

nah dedede and kirby got violated

[@KM-tv2zf]

King K Rool is still top tier 😂

[@spacerunner22]

As a king dedede main WHAT THE FUCK!

[@Cringe89563]

As a king dedede main, yeah seems right

[@jojo6783f]

As a king dedede main ye this is correct place. Perhaps one spot too low. But ye he sucks

[@Cringe89563]

@@jojo6783f Probably not one spot too low, mac and ganon have awful disadvantages, while dedede has a pretty solid disadvantage

[@jojo6783f]

@@Cringe89563 i meant i might put ddd above doc

[@Cringe89563]

@@jojo6783f ahh

[@jeromecollier3605]

fellow mac mains wya. we must rise up against this slander

[@789TurquoiseHeartBoi]

I find it funny how in the more recent tier list female corrin is featured over male corrin when he should be the default gender. Just corrin. No one else.

[@Ginseng_ssb]

damn i wish krool was that good 😭

[@Skrimzy_]

He is good though, ain't no way he deserves d tier

[@HoshiNoKabaa]

What character do yo use in smash? Me cloud ✋☁️

[@CuteRedPanda64]

Mii brawler

[@ninjareid569]

Sonic The hedgehog Mario Luigi Peach Daisy Dr Mario Wario And Rosalina And Luma

[@jacobsthirdchannel8804]

Steve He’s OP

[@Display-Forest]

Mr. Game and Watch. Also tell people to stop calling us spammers, especially the fire emblem characters

[@AnnoyedPanther-vv1bg]

All i want in smash is them to remake Sonic's moveset😢

[@elsabio7686]

As a piranha plant main, it deserves more love

[@BananaDee23]

The hell does a day one tier list include plant

[@FerretRay]

Because he was there day one??

[@Random.Girl.]

Did you forget that you could purchase plant before the game even came out?

[@Saben.C-Spoon]

I remember plant being avaliable for purchase but not out yet at the time of release, he came out maybe a month or two later

[@FerretRay]

@@Saben.C-Spoon that’s just not true lol

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

He was announced already, which is why they are in the "???" category

[@Corn_on_the_cob449]

Plant guy at the bottom😢 whyyyyyyyyyy he’s my favourite one😂

[@some_random_asian_guy]

May mains are in low tier and my secondaries are in high tier💀

[@user-tv3xq7tq6u]

also why is isabelle in f tier she’s really solid

[@GamerDude135]

No way he said ganondorf was trash😂

[@Dobt]

ganon just cant approach. heavy hitting moves dont matter if you cant land them. same goes for a lot of other heavyweights like, say dedede.

[@theminebloxcraft5779]

Bro he is trash like Dobt said he can’t approach well and he also has terrible mobility and no out of shield options, which make him terribly easy to cheese

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

hits ganon with back throw well there he goes

[@JV-cz7db]

Well actually, Ganondorf is objectively bad in a game like smash, and even in any type of fighting game. If you had a bit of common sense you'd know that chars that are slow and heavy dmg don't do well in games that rely on fast moves like smash. You are either really young, because i thought the same back on smash brawl when i was 11 or you have extremly low iq, because just by looking at his moveset, literally any characters that have projectiles or are faster than him will slaughter his ass. He has nothing to properly come back on the platform as well, no cc, no good blocks, he is slow af, basically, captain falcon is a better version of ganondorf.

[@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate]

Ganondorf is trash and the obvious worst character in the game

[@MrMcSirMan]

As a Zelda main, I feel very offended by both.

[@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy]

it's really unfortunate that Zelda has been ranked a low tier in every single smash bros game she is featured in. Melee: 24/26 Brawl: 37/38 Sm4sh: 52.5/54 Ultimate: 75/82

[@TheRealFrost_]

The fact that people legitimately thought the Belmonts were top tier will never not be hysterical to anyone playing the game now

[@spiderkid4thegamer400]

Pikachu being higher then Ness is a crime

[@luxlegend8729]

We heavy mains must gather and show these mfs who the real top tiers are, as a k rool main, i shall not take this slander 😤

[@thatoneperson0808]

Love how fox and wolf are S tier but falcos chilling in B tier

[@Gatorah]

Man I just wanna play a decent ganondorf in smash… Hes easily my favorite gaming villain

[@TripleTrune]

Kirby doesn’t deserve to be bottom tier, or I be saying this because I main him.

[@daquavion65]

absolute crime to put little mac and gandolf in trash

[@TooDumbFox]

let me use Lucas and i will DESTROY EVERYTHING

[@santaa_klauss]

Isabelle at bottom tier is a crime

[@XenyxYT]

I main Plant, Meta Knight, Greninja, Cloud, and Shulk, they’re all spread randomly from each other

[@hugsdoesanything2893]

Honesty think Mii Sword and P-Plant could move up to Mid C with the right pilot. Plant in particular has a really good weight, neutral and a strong game plan but just kinda falls off in disadvantage. Slippery player could make either of them work really well

[@daquantavius7924]

Here’s a fun fact. I managed to make it onto my schools smash bros esports team with 2 months of smash experience and playing little Mac. It’s by complete luck and a miracle I got on that team, and I sat in the bench the entire season. I still managed to make it on the team the following years by complete chance, cuz these kids weren’t bad, they had smelly pits so you know they were beasts at smash bros.

[@Waterdrinker2.0]

Mario in a tier is DIABOLICAL 💀🙏

[@Lex_thebearqueen]

Ah yea its good to see my boy meta knight in s tier 🥹

[@rubrick_cub3]

Dr mario would of went higher if it wasn't for his trash recovery.

[@gustavocarrillolopez6088]

Dedede needs that representation

[@tahulu8166]

It's kinda funny how chroms recovery is so bad that he's two tiers lower than roy

[@Iso_SSB]

Yea if he had a good recovery he’d be so good. To beat chrom throw him off stage ez

[@AnAveragePurplePikmin]

Let's go, my main and secondary are both in A tier!

[@jamainegardner4193]

I find it hilarious that Sonic went from bottom of the barrel to the best non-DLC character in the game.

[@noahmaldonado5461]

Despite the teir lists, everyone feels very balanced in ultimate to where I could see any character doing amazing things in the right hands

[@rebelpunk13]

Am I the only one who absolutely owns with Kirby? Why is he always ranked so low he is beast

[@CarnivorousConnor]

One of my friends is highly competitive and he was literally crying when I kept on beating him as little mac. He was playing ROB

[@browgli2013]

This is accurate good job 👍🏾

[@JoshTheFlopperAnimates]

Why is my guy little mac so bad?? He's actually pretty good 😢😭😭

[@declanoldroyd4328]

Kirby Zelda Isabelle King K rool and pirhana plant in d tier is crazy

[@Stimpleton98]

Wario, Banjo, Sephiroph and Pyra/Mythra have the best final smashes

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

Sonic as always being undefeatable, breaking through it all and finding his flame.

[@dymaz6282]

sonic, is always here, being undefeteable, breaking trought it all, finding his flame, always live and learning,reaching for the stars,and making this his world

[@C_a_r_l_]

WHY IS KING K ROOL IN ONE OF THE BOTTOM TIERS? HE DESERVES BETTER

[@Cringe89563]

He's good casually, shiet competitively

[@cryogen.]

The Belmont's fell off so hard, but i still main them. Dedication.

[@iishiir]

Woah i didnt think that both xenoblade reps would be up in S tier

[@FabiZee]

They are and if you know all moves of them they are S tier