Day 12 of driving Mt Akina everyday until I learn how to drift properly | More confident Drifts!

[@thefirstoffence9048]

learn the grip line, then go back to drifting youll be faster and smoother overall. then you can start to figure out where to drift to go faster.

[@nikifalcon]

Good advise

[@thefirstoffence9048]

@@nikifalcon yeah, I wish I'd listen to it myself.

[@benji-yw2dx]

Great start! This car is the AE86 'drift' version, and is a lot more prone to understeer on corner entry and exit due to the way the suspension is set up. I'd recommend switching to the AE86 'tuned'. It's got a little more power to get the tail end out (meaning you'll learn the fundamentals behind oversteer a lot quicker), and the suspension is a lot more well balanced - similar to how Bunta would've had it set up in the show. When initiating your 'drift', you'll want to do this on the way into the corner by swinging your car from one side of the road to the other whilst you're on the brakes. This preloads the suspension, and kicks the back end out on the way into the corner. You should be sideways by the time you reach the apex, where you can then slam the throttle (particularly on the ae86 where the power is limited), and ride the powerslide out of the corner in order to keep the RPMs up.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you! Yes ive been trying out other ver of 86s and the tuned has more grip, while the drift one is very slippery everywhere but easier for me if its just for corner learning to countersteer and stuff! Also this method, works only on downhill? Or would it work uphill as well? Just using the brakes sometimes i feel the car has not enough power to do a weight transfer !

[@benji-yw2dx]

This technique will work on both the downhill and uphill - it's all about the entry speed. Dirtfish Rally has a few videos on the 'scandi flick' or 'inertia drift' if you take the time to watch them. You'll need to carry more entry speed on the uphill of course, and apply the power sooner out of the corner. If you find the AE86D more slippery then you can learn to mitigate the understeer and kick the back out with VERY hard trailbraking - or even using the handbrake. The pedals arent just for slowing down and speeding up, but rather tools for rotating the car. All of the quick drivers (especially in 2-stroke competitive karting) hardly turn the steering wheel and get their vehicle to rotate by simply flicking the wheel and either braking or adding power. If you watch some of the akina world record runs, you can see how minimal the steering input is.

[@benji-yw2dx]

Just to add something, the whole reason the 'scandi flick' or 'inertia drift' was invented was to get low power cars to rotate on rally stages, since in high power cars you can just add power to avoid understeer on corner exit. Keep going!

[@manman_12]

i think of clutch kicking as building up the rpm, when you hold the throttle down with clutch engaged the engine is still building up rpm without turning the wheels so when you disengage the clutch, the wheels would need to "catch up" to the engine which is why the rear of the car spins out like that. Thats how i think of it anyway. also, me personally i dont use clutch kicking anymore, learning weight transfer (I think thats what its called) has proven to be a bigger help and has made me a better driver.

[@datboisteve5105]

Yes clutch kicking makes the car very unstable, that’s why the car loses grip all of the sudden. Driving the uphill on a car that doesn’t have a lot of power is also a struggle. That’s why I recommend doing the same setup but on the downhill, this will teach you how to weight transfer, as it is the fastest way to drift.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Yess i learn to weight transfer initially on my first downhill playthrough where the car feels way faster than downhill, and that i couldnt clutch kick at all and just do a brake weight transfer instead! Its still messy though but ill get there!

[@realTakumifujiwara]

But thank you thats a great way of understanding it! I drive an auto actually in real life ( 🥲 ) so the clutch is a confusing mechanism for me hence i need to understand how it works and why! In auto we couldnt switch to neutral and build rpm as my engine will blow :"D thank you~

[@ofnir123]

Pretty good considering how early you are into learning. One thing I might add that I haven't seen mentioned here, the uphill naturally puts more weight on your rear tires as opposed to your fronts. This makes it easier to maintain grip, even to understeer, but has the effect of making the rear tend to "snap" when it breaks traction, and also to "snap back" pretty quickly. Basically, the car is less stable in general as you're drifting it. Granted, Akina isn't the worst when it comes to harsh elevation changes, but it's still something to keep in mind. Now in a more powerful car this wouldn't be so much of an issue, but the 86 is a bit underpowered when it comes to drifting uphill, and I feel this is adding a little too much challenge considering you're still learning. Then again, this is just my opinion.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you! I will try to drift downhill too so i can feel the difference!

[@datboisteve5105]

Nice improvements! I see that you are starting to know how to initiate the drift! There are still a few problems you should work on though. Because the tuned 86 does not have a lot of power, you have to make sure to keep your rpm’s high constantly. What I am seeing in the video is that you are letting go of the gas completely during the drift. Definitely try not to let go of it completely because it will cause the car to want to grip the road instead of losing traction and keeping it in a consistent drift. Instead, try to keep the throttle constant but press it harder/lighter depending if you want more/less angle in the drift. Keep working on that throttle control, as it is one of the most important aspects to drifting. Keep up the good work 🎉

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you! Yeah i seem to have problem when the car starts sliding.. i watched a drift video where the initials teaches me to " gas, release the steering, catch the wheel, gas again ".. should i still keep the gas during the slide at all time? Or release it when the car starts sliding? It feels now in my understanding when drifting, more throttle = car will turn more aggresively whereas less throttle = car will do less.. Thanks!

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

​@@realTakumifujiwarafirst of all, that tutorial on drifting will depend on your wheel, but even then, if you watch the initial D first season opening, as well as many scenes from the anime, you'll NEVER see takumi do that. He turns slightly into the corner, then confidently steers to the other side with both hands to countersteer. How can I explain this... If you pay attention to where you place your hands on the wheel when driving and build the right muscle memory you don't have to let go of it. But I think even if you don't have the muscle memory yet, you can do small countersteer drifts, it's all about braking and throttle

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

​@@realTakumifujiwaraas a basic rule for drift on hairpins you should only Start accelerating when the car is facing the inner edge of the corner. But you could also step on the gas ever so slightly. It's all about managing the revs and weight of the car. Personally prefer stepping on the gas earlier to keep the revs between 5 and 6k and wait until the exit to fully step on it

[@norman6544]

@@realTakumifujiwara I'd say never completely let go of your gas if you want to maintain your drift. When you let go of the gas completely you'll initiate a transition and the car will pendulum back over making you lose control. If you feel like you need to let off the gas during a drift for whatever reason (like reducing angle or speed), try to not go below like 20% gas or so. Also instead of thinking of the gas as on/off, feather it more. It helps me to think of it as gently squeezing the pedal. It would probably also help if you get a feel for it on a skid pad instead of a touge, then you can apply the muscle memory when you swap back. Keep it up man!

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

@@norman6544 based advice

[@redmooshroom68]

Before doing the drift go more towards the outer edge, then go towards the inner edge, but try not to hit the guardrails, and try to steer enough to go to the outer edge again, you can also do this in grip racing, and its called an Apex Turn.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank u! I will try it, i always had the butt hits the railing hence i do an inner drift and end up steering too hard :")

[@redmooshroom68]

​@@realTakumifujiwarabtw if you need it theres diagrams of the Apex Turn on Google

[@AverageMeso]

i remember learning the 86, it really helps in the long run. accomplished vdc on akina recently 👍

[@datboisteve5105]

Racing lines are one of the most important aspects on how to get faster. Follow the rule “outside, inside, outside”. What I mean by this is that to get the best cornering and exit speed, you have to enter the corner from the outside of the road, while you are turning, go towards the inside of the road, and as you are exiting, go toward the outside of the road. Doing this will “widen” the road you are driving on. It will also make your car turn less. And yes, turning less makes you go faster!! If you can recall, the duct tape death match was a prime example, and it is completely true! If you are doing it perfectly, you don’t even have to countersteer in a drift!! In the video, I see you turn into the corner way too early. This causes your car to want to turn more, making you slower. I would call that “inside inside inside” lol. Watch some time attack videos of a drift 86 on the downhill and you know what I am talking about when I say “outside inside outside”. Good luck on this because it takes hours to master it and every maps racing line will be completely different (including the same map but uphill and downhill).

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you! Yes ive never paid attention to the racing line before, so i wasnt sure when and where to start the drift, so far in my mindset, when i try to turn from outside = the rear will hit the rails so i was scared to do so and aim for the front to touch the inside line first :"D not having to countersteer, does it mean to not let go of the steering wheel at all? Maybe i will try the duct tape method and learn my countersteer there as i always have problem when to catch the drift and hard to have the mindset of " turn left to go right " during the drift, hence i just let go of the steering wheel and catch it :"))

[@p0ison_420]

If you learn what lines to take, you will become significantly faster. Follow the rule “outside, inside, outside”. What I mean by this is that to get the best cornering and exit speed, you have to enter the corner from the outside of the road, while you are turning, go towards the inside of the road, and as you are exiting, go toward the outside of the road. Doing this will “widen” the road you are driving on. It will also make your car turn less; yes, turning less makes you go faster. Also one more thing, you need to learn when you have to drift, for example, 8:10, the speed you lost not only because you failed the drift (which you shouldn't've done in the first place) and also because you didnt take the appropriate lines adds up to a second

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Is it because i throttle too less during that? Or just the angle, so i stopped the drift before it crashes?

[@p0ison_420]

You need to improve your angle + the smoothness of your steering and throttling, however, at that t imestamp i showed, you shouldn't've even drifted. You should've picked a grip line instead@@realTakumifujiwara

[@realTakumifujiwara]

@@p0ison_420 grip line means just cornering without any drift whatsoever?

[@datboisteve5105]

did bro just plagiarized my comment?

[@datboisteve5105]

​@@realTakumifujiwara Yes you are starting to get it!!! At 8:10, your rpm dropped too low and your car wanted to grip. I do not know if you wanted that to happen, but if you kept the drift going with a less aggressive throttle, you definitely could have made the whole turn without crashing.

[@TripleD-jj7uc]

Nice your car control is so much better now. It's not wobbly anymore after the drift!

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you! I still have trouble to grip it back to the road as i dont know how to, so usually i just let go of the gas when i want the drift to end, steer it back to normal and gas again when the angle is right and the car doesnt slip! Im not sure if this is the right one tbh, ive seen people use clutch instead or handbrake when ending the drift!

[@alvarodeprado3814]

congrats. you are doing it great

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Thank you, improvements!

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

The clutch allows the rear wheels to spin freely without power from the engine, and the same applies to the engine, since it "disconnects", from the wheels, it can work freely, thus, when you clutch and give gas at the same time the rear wheels rotate freely and will keep going with the current speed of the car, like the front wheels do, while the engine is free to increases its power because of gas. Then when you release the clutch, the two are connected again, the increase in engine revs will clash with the current speed of the rear, the rear starts spinning fast, and at some point it can't grip the ground anymore so it slides for a moment. Its up to you wether or not to extend the slide using the accel Hope i explained this properly

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Yess this explains properly thank you! I do auto in real life so i couldnt understand this because if i put the car on neutral, build the rpm and switch back to gear, my engine will blow up 😄 Question, in this case, is it safe when we're accelerating if we do clutch kicks if the point is not to drift, but to accelerate faster then?

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

@@realTakumifujiwara actually, I think all pros build the rpm on N when starting a race to wherever the maximum torque of the engine is and then swiftly upshift when the race starts, it's safe as long as you upshift properly (if you clutch with a pressure of 10% you should be releasing the gas 10% your clutch pressure is at 50% it should be 50 for the accel as well, etc) in the case of the 86, maximum torque is around 5k rpm, you can look this up on Google for the 86 tuned. When you say safe you mean if It's safe irl? as long as you don't bring the revs to red for too long, it is, but of course, handling a street car as if it where made for racing will wear down it's parts faster, including clutch and transmission, and they could be damaged

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

@@realTakumifujiwara doing clutch kicks on a straight hardly makes you accelerate faster, the time you earn from the revs going high because of tyre skid is lost when they try to regain grip and the revs stay in place for a second to match the speed. The reason why drifting is faster in the ae86 is because it's a way to keep the revs high on a situation where they would inevitably go down (like when cornering)

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

60kph on 3rd gear is wild, you should be on 2nd gear until 85kph 99%of the time, there's some exceptions which depend on the track. The slower you go on 3rd gear the more gas you need to slide, but sliding at that speed on 3rd will make you spin easily

[@realTakumifujiwara]

For now i try to drift it only on 2nd gear during corners, i slow down so hard before initiating as im not used to fast speed drifts yet! But for now its difficult for me to manuever between downshifting clutch gas and try to drift at the same time 🤣 ill start to get used to the numbers! Also for 3rd gear straight line, what rpm do you recommend before upshifting?

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

I just noticed you're using the ae86drift instead of the ae86tuned. I recommend you to switch to the ae86tuned cause it's easier to learn. From 3rd gear to 4th I'd say upshifting at 120kph is the norm. Also, when downshifting you gotta match the right rpm with the speed, and to know that you gotta see what speed corresponds to which rpm on a straight line​@@realTakumifujiwara

[@engifaarliu9732]

You may want to consider getting Asserto Corsa. I feel that it is very realistic physics wise. I do not have Forza 5 so I cannot comment on the difference. I use a moza r5 but I have not tried drifting as I don't have a handbrake 😭.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

This is assetto corsa ~ i havent used my handbrake yet as people told me not to use it before we learn how to drift properly !! I like forza 5 just because i can race AI, meanwhile in corsa i do it aloneeeee

[@01Play.]

good start, you have to do faster drifts, your rpm drops a lot in the middle of the curve, you have to keep the rpm high. I recommend you start using inertia or braking drift

[@realTakumifujiwara]

I will learn this! Im not very used to driving manuals too so its a learning curve for now!

[@maxaranajr.8933]

Suggest to use the fully stock ae86 that will help you in the corners.

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Will it be a good one to learn to drift though? I think even in the series, Bunta tuned some parts of it, ive tried the stock, the tuned, but so far its not for the speed, but just the learning curve!

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

​@@realTakumifujiwarayeah you can't really drift a stock ae86, or learn proper weight control, it will only make you want to step on the gas all the time and brake super hard. Stay with the ae86tuned

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

If youre doing 360° is most likely becase youre turning too hard into the corner, or countersteering too late. Its also way easier to spin uphill because the front tyres have significantly less grip, even takumi couldn't drift uphill until much later

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Yess thats why they used the rx7 for uphills! Its hard to feel the countersteer in a videogame, i couldnt feel the G force as when the car starts to drift and have to rely on the sound effect its making ;-; but yes i feel like i steered too hard on corners!

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

​@@realTakumifujiwaramaybe there's a mod for assetto to let you see how far the wheels are turning? Like a g-ball icon but with the tyres. That would help you a lot to learn, once you build up the muscle memory you can turn it off, but idk if there is any

[@realTakumifujiwara]

@@unlimitedquickworks7387 i think so far its the " drift " icon on my UI, blue means slids while yellow means actual drift! Ive been looking at those too to check when my tyres starts to slip! But im actually not sure if my neckfx is working properly ;-;

[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

@@realTakumifujiwara hmm, a drift is done while entering the corner, a power slide is done after the apex, is this UI icon capable of judging that? I think it would only confuse you, so when you look at it do so with a grain of salt 😛

[@zebuh_]

What mod is this ? I’m new to AC

[@rend_zvous6076]

U might wanna change your fov also for more feelings of increased speed. I swear, it'll get adrenaline rushin harder while driving in assetto corsa

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Yes this! I lose sense of speed or how fast im actually going, where do we change that and whats the best settings?

[@rend_zvous6076]

@@realTakumifujiwara do you use content manager? it's a mod and it allows u to adjust more than the default settings of the game

[@realTakumifujiwara]

@@rend_zvous6076 yes ofcourse otherwise i cant download this map hahah

[@rend_zvous6076]

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[@unlimitedquickworks7387]

There's no ideal line for drifting in a downhill as you can take any you want if youre good enough. As for racing lines in general, unless you're on a battle, the line which makes best use of your car and grip is gonna be the fastests on time attack. Using all the road, braking, accel, and steering wheel. Very hard things to explain with text. Keep researching and youll find out

[@realTakumifujiwara]

I never raced anyone yet even AI in here so I havent tried or feel the difference between alone and with race, maybe onw day i can race you guys when im good enough!

[@Stone15656]

Uphill?

[@zays5488]

i think he is doing uphill since its more forgiving for mistakes making it better for learning

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Yep i switch between uphill and downhill, now is morely downhill though.. before, for learning , its more forgiving to do uphill since i get a sense of speed.. while downhill its very difficult since you brake hard alot and crash ;-;

[@SmallPotato95]

Yo bro what’s ur discord

[@realTakumifujiwara]

Its not public at the moment, it will be once im more confident and ready to race everyone :) for now i still crash alot when i try to race someone so its not really racing :")) still trials and errors

[@SmallPotato95]

@@realTakumifujiwara I wanna have contact w u so I can help u more n stuff >~