Day 44 - THE RETURN OF SUNNY! Contractor C walkthrough

[@jamesmckeon2599]

You can not bury a splice box.it goes against electrical code. Keep the access panel or make it accessible with a fancy cover plate flush with the ceiling. NEC 314.29

[@rossmanngroup]

The electrician recommended rewiring for our intended usage rather than putting an access panel in for a junction box that, if we were doing this from scratch without an office in the front, would not be in that spot to begin with. Also - shout out to everyone who has emailed with actual offers to help here. An HVAC company emailed refusing to accept money wanting to help move the mini split for free because him/his boss have been following and felt bad about me getting screwed. A licensed electrician emailed ideas and said he wants to stop by and do a good amount of the scope of work and not charge. I can't accept this, I will be finding a way to sneak money into the pockets/bank accounts of anyone who actually does this(after background checking to ensure you are not eugene v2). I am humbled almost to the point of tears reading these offers and kindness from people who I do not know who just feel sorry that we got screwed. I don't have words for it besides thank you.

[@joewiddup9753]

@@rossmanngroup Take the HVAC guys up on the offer. The previous quote was based on an absolute worse case scenario. It really doesn't look that difficult in the videos. I've installed a half dozen of these systems and they are way easier than my normal AC repair work on a tractor or truck.

[@ironmatic1]

Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. Shouldn’t the GC be subbing a licensed EC anyway? HVAC contractor will figure it out, but I just feel like that space is a bit to big to be cooled and heated by just those two mini splits and radiators.

[@woswasdenni1914]

@@rossmanngroup so youre saying me flying over the big pond for a vacation helping with demolition for free is out of the question? damit was so looking forward for my first vacation in a decade

[@ericy4522]

@@rossmanngroup - be VERY careful of ripping up old floor tiles. As Matthew G & Lightning Demolition said below 1 day ago 'Careful of the floor tile. Could contain asbestos especially if they’re 9”x9” ' Either get the tiles tested for asbestos before getting them removed professionally, or don't disturb/damage them, and just put new flooring over them.

[@deadkid2012]

"you really need to put some love into it, ya really gotta give this floor a good fucking" this is all i need to know about this guy

[@rossmanngroup]

Sunny's ability to make me laugh when I am down by saying something ridiculously inappropriate with perfect timing is something I have missed.

[@llamapi3]

It came with plenty of holes. ;)

[@thetechgenie7374]

LOL I can see where some of Louis behavior rub off on him

[@Chrisisplays]

Yeah, gotta really go on your knees to get every crack right.

[@XR-vu9pn]

lmaooo this guy sunny is legit gold.

[@arielrivera1331]

"Sunny, you're Chinese!" "Yes, I know, but I have standards" LOL

[@Therealthinshady]

i was rofl so hard

[@llamapi3]

I love it. I'll joke with people about my Jewish family. It always starts awkward but then I point out I'm Jewish so I can say that shit. My god damn Aunt personifies every stereotype. A career in hard sales, loves Chinese food, obnoxious voice, overbearing, gigantic ass and nose. All the check marks.

[@krzysztofmazurkiewicz5270]

I huess thats just the way it is... How else would China get from country of rice fields to country with most roads and hi speed railways in 30-40 years?! Lil jaleous here ;)

[@DurzoBlunts]

@@llamapi3 hahaha you sound like a great dinner party guest!

[@A_Box]

@@llamapi3 Didn't know they were supposed to like Chinese food.

[@s-t-f]

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[@crispy9175]

Ive always wondered how extensive the 'group' is. I heard there's a veterinary wing of the Rossman group that deals with non-advertiser friendly cats.

[@snouthusky3554]

@@crispy9175 And also quietly disposes of people who are not nice to cats.

[@bjsc1100]

Rossman Heavy Industries

[@bami2]

o Rossman Bike Tips o Rossman Store

[@dside_ru]

Here, I brought a list marker for you folks: •

[@FrithRa]

After seeing the state of construction of that floor I absolutely retract what I said about trying to salvage it. You were absolutely right to want to gut the entire thing, Louis. There isn't a damn thing Eugene did that wasn't half-assed work.

[@rossmanngroup]

yeah, to be clear I don't know much about the specifics of construction, but I got to know him enough as a human to realize I don't want to keep anything he had his hands in. i wasn't saying it from a place of carpentry knowledge, but from a place of customer distrust.

[@marcd7332]

Eugene has less integrity than that floor

[@DoctorWhom]

@@rossmanngroup Thanks for showing us the... thanks for show us this.

[@AjdamusMagnus]

@@marcd7332 And thats says something right..:D

[@dredogin]

I agree the plywood edge not on the joist was very bad a novice would not even do that

[@jorgamund07]

Paul with a crowbar? Finally, Louis gives his employees the proper tools to deal with Macbooks.

[@reparsed]

Crowbar = industrial spudger

[@Pieh0]

You mean the proper tools to deal with macbook users, right? 😁

[@TheAndre8900]

Frame the crowbar, rename it ''HARD RESET''

[@DocFr4nk]

only thing left is the HEV Suit and Freeman as the last name

[@ccgb92]

ROFL

[@MERVILLE3]

Isn’t this like when someone dies on a soap and then comes back as a new character, years later?

[@snouthusky3554]

IT WAS ALL A DREAM! o.o

[@KingHalbatorix]

OH, A SOAP _OPERA_ I was wondering how you would even die on a bar of soap, as well as what that has to do with coming back as a new person

[@RedHeadForester]

@Sasha Kruse Grim I was thinking magic soap...

[@dragonoidman]

@Sasha Kruse Grim least it was a clean death

[@MERVILLE3]

KingHalbatorix Statistically, a lot of people die via soap

[@YunFuriku]

Sunny Is going to troll you in some epic way. He's going to hide something funny things in the construction like hidden speakers

[@Pieh0]

When I worked in security, I use to leave letters behind walls for people to find years later. "This is where I killed him. He was delicious" You know, fucked up shit like that :P.

[@eideticex]

@@Pieh0 In the stores i was working on last year, there are in-ceiling motion detectors. On a couple of them, I wrote "Ninja Please!".

[@YunFuriku]

@@Pieh0 oh that's not good enough. i was more of thinking like him starting to play music louis hates all of sudden and such things :D

[@Michael-oy2ng]

@@YunFuriku Hewhow Whalcome!

[@janikarkkainen3904]

I don't know how widespread this tradition is, but at least here in Finland it has been common to hide a contemporary newspaper somewhere inside during construction. This tradition goes back like to the first days of newspapers, as far as I know, but at least to the last century. Possibly very common and normal all around the world, but I have no idea...

[@Ken_in_Wisconsin]

Wow that floor was garbage. No question about it.

[@LegolasD]

literally garbage, cigarette butts, left over nails, "supports" that wouldn't hold up more than a month

[@zazuch]

Just ME Onlyme you are assuming the man who seemed to do NOTHING right and scammed many people would take the time to pay someone to clean that stuff up. You are funny sir haha. If I was Louis I would be pissed people where smoking inside my building. Go outside for that shit. My brother had to the same issue with house. We came by once to do some measurements and no one had been there for two days due to the weekend. But there was beer bottles, cigarettes, chicken bones just laying around his living room floor, massive pile of shit elsewhere. What was annoying is he bought them a extra dumpster and they still refused to throw their garbage away. He is still finding some of their trash 2 years later.

[@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC]

Yeah... the blocks held in shear with just nails seemed kind of unreliable, but using OSB for the blocks was just ridiculous.

[@foxorian]

Loius was absolutely right to rip it up. Had they moved in with this floor, it would have had a 100% chance of caving in and they'd be left with a floor not only less level than the original, but less stable too.

[@rossmanngroup]

There were no laborers cleaning up this site. I get the cigarette thing, but it is douchey to smoke on an indoor site. I used to work at a studio where everyone got high, they had the courtesy to go to the emergency stairwell to smoke, not in the rooms/lounge themselves.

[@Paul-IE-Repairs]

that explains your squeaking, the sheets were not landing and nothing was shimmed

[@avlisk]

@@ИванСнежков-з9й That's true. It took some effort to figure out the worst way to do it rather than just doing it correctly. An amazing job!

[@npc1336]

Well that's because it wasn't finished! Let them finish the job and then judge the work (kidding, obviously)

[@314sami]

I saw that when it was being built, but as an european I just thought that maybe they do it like that in 'murica or that is just a temporary support so he gets the floor level and then puts proper shims under it. But no, lol.

[@thinkamajig]

Guys the sheets don't have to land in a joist when using tongue and groove. Ffs. Plenty of other shit to complain about..

[@InfernosReaper]

@@thinkamajig The floor does have to actually be supported to work as a floor, though. Plywood and OSB do not make for good floor supports when placed like that.

[@realvargr]

"This is very chinese of them." "Sunny, you're chinese!" "Yeah i know, but i have standards" xD

[@yuqing2006]

Chinese people have to work harder. There is a reason why a specific electrician in my area is used by everyone that live within a 60km radius. Most people saw him growing up. He is recommended by every chinese. He is refered by everyone within a tight Social circle. If he is not that well known he will not get any business. If it is a White guy however, chinese won't ask for any references. As for Chinese, other chinese will not hired unless he is referred by others. Something is definitely wrong here when the White guy is less trustworthy than the Chinese guy.

[@yuqing2006]

@El Bottoo White privilege does exist even among chinese. I have very fair skin (I'm 100% chinese blood) and i lost the ability to tan by high school. In primary school kids use to touch my tan skin and find it awesome that i dont burn easily in the sun. Now i learn that there is such thing as "skin bleaching". Africans, Indians and chinese need to bleach their skin as it does affect them getting a job. I'm not sure if this is considered "white privilege" but it does seem the fairer the skin the higher the privilege.

[@zombieat]

El Bottoo how do you know that the previous contractor was white?

[@davidturk6170]

It’s good that you document what you found (substandard construction). I’m not a tax consultant, but because the previous work had to be (not elective) demolished you might be able to write off the entire payment to the previous “contractor” plus any work to get rid of the substandard work versus just the portion that did not get done. Plus, again would need to get a legal opinion, since the work was not done to code and/or industry standards, criminal charges (versus civil) may apply. Just something to keep in your back pocket if the opportunity to use down the road pops up.

[@zooning-6843]

“You need to give this floor a good f***ing” you’ve taught him well Louis, you’ve taught him well... Rick and Morty’s true level, you got good tastes sir

[@jbird999cg]

i died laughing but it's true it deserves a good f****** with a sledgehammer

[@S.ASmith]

"Paul has already charged into it as you can see, it's already bent off" Someone needs to eat their crayons. Once a marine, always a marine.

[@dejjal8683]

don't forget the glue for hydration

[@Axeiaa]

@@YourMotherSucksCocksInHell a meth cook going by his hair/facial hair style

[@zoidberg444]

HAHAHAHA. Paul just got wrecked.

[@_ryukora]

I shouldn't swearing like this

[@bami2]

19:14 this was honestly the absolute worst place to start cutting up the floor boards. I know the floor is trash but leaving some walkway and starting from the back at least avoids you having to carry stuff through the door while balancing on 2x4s with nails sticking out of them.

[@zoli11]

Yes, total clown show

[@tactileslut]

That idea came later, when the boards and chunks were being walked toward the street instead of piled in the middle.

[@TheDragongod09]

I was watching the floor deconstruction and you shut the video off right as he started to get into it Darn you, Louis. I have over 15 years of construction experience and I really wanted to see this.

[@silarin9917]

Would still personally prefer Brenner, their work looks high quality, the company looks very professional and has years of experience but only if they are affordable. Even after the mess a few of the community being idiots caused them they still came to assess the job, give a portfolio, took notes and arrange for a quote., kudos. Sunny as a second choice, he may be a great likeable guy and hopefully comparably cheap but 2nd choice as he has way less experience and i think that will show unless he has a team of time served staff that know their stuff.

[@traceytwaddle1749]

Also I assume that Brenner will have more guys so get it done faster = less rent cost.

[@KH40T1C_yt]

@@cjay2 Think of it like this, had Louis used Brenner first, he would've saved money all things considered. Of course I understand the referral is what kind of screwed all of this up. I think Sunny will go above and beyond to prove himself. And personally, I have a gut feeling - a good one, I like the dude.

[@Julz2k]

So he won't hire Amos and brener construction?

[@Alexlfm]

cjay2 As someone who has a degree in CS but also has a contractors license (much like Sunny), that’s not true at all. Experience is no indicator of future success or job quality with both contracting and computer programming. Considering you are watching a KZbin channels who’s ENTIRE purpose is to guide people I find this comment rather ironic. Will it take him longer, probably but I have seen many well reviewed “experienced” people fail spectacularly and not experienced people go out, learn and do it great. If anything the new person (if they’re trying) does better because they don’t use shortcuts. Nothing here is rocket science or hasn’t been done before. From this video, Sunny seems like he would do a great job and is certainly knowledgeable.

[@Alexlfm]

cjay2 I can agree for scientific stuff and more complicated fields like network infrastructure but in actuality with 95% of building and even programming knowledge makes a difference but overall skill/intelligence is much more important (at least with relatively small, scrappy companies which are the main places I’ve worked). With contracting I’ve worked on jobs with people who have been extremely well reviewed with scores of something like 4.7/5 and a ton of reviews. They didn’t do good work the first time around (at all) and they ended up coming out three times before it was right. All of the garbage work was done in areas that weren’t obvious so the average reviewer wouldn’t know. Brewer will likely do the job well in the end, it’s just Louis would still have to be just as involved to get there. The only advantages would be financing (which obviously depends heavily on Louis’ cash flow) and insurance. Apart from the bathrooms, I don’t see the need for anything more than super basic insurance since anything that goes wrong wouldn’t be bad enough to be collectible since really this is all cosmetic.

[@Bassotronics]

Here are some Sunny Delights! 6:33 8:56

[@bencoleman5965]

Having watched some of the demolition video last night (I couldnt watch it all it was so frustrating!) watching sunny with the circular saw 1 handed, not cutting in a straight line and nearly burning out the motor, i wouldnt let him anywhere near any power tools! Same as paul, giving it the big one that sunny dulled the blade immediately after he himself hits a nail with it.. Stick to the electronics all of you...

[@ariw9405]

I absolutely love that you maintained a friendship. Sunny appears to be a genuinely nice guy who takes pride in his work. He is also funny as hell, love his channel.

[@drCox12]

Ok so I do like Sunny, he seems to be a nice and funny guy. And you also like and respect him. It seems you're kind of friends. And that's where I see a potential for problems. I'd advice you to keep it purely professional. Sunny might be very competent but imagine something goes really wrong and you have to sue him... IMO there're two things that have proven to be a high risk to destroy families and friendships: Money and construction. And this project includes both risk factors. I think it would be better for both of you if you hire him as an project advisor because he'll probably identify issues sooner than you and Paul will.

[@cinnavision]

Yes. I agree. I've recommended several fail safes in the event things go wayward. I've learned a lot from the situation with Eugene.

[@tonymccrory8043]

A different take on this. Hire Sunny. But, throw your own guys at it too. In for a penny in for a pound, lose a couple of guys from board repair for a week but gain intimate knowledge of what was done, and get opened quicker. No disagreements about what was done etc later. Offsets some cost of labour for contractors anyhow and keeps laser focus on getting it done. I bet you'd all have a blast, learn something new, and be more than happy with your new place.

[@cinnavision]

@@tonymccrory8043 I get what you're saying and you're right, it would be a great experience, but we don't want staff to get hurt. This is the same reason why we didn't want to take volunteers for the demolition. We don't want any of our viewers getting injured for trying to help us, even if they sign a liability waive.

[@cinnavision]

My thoughts on Sunny - After the Eugene incident, I'd like to be very cautious, not because I don't think Sunny will do a good job, but I've learned that we should to seek the opinions of other contractors/specialists before finalizing a course of action. Eugene recommended the deck idea, he said that self-leveling concrete would be way too heavy for the floor, and now we're ripping the floors. I've spoken to several licensed contractors and they recommended.... you guessed it, self-leveling concrete; however with the huge dip in some areas that I've never saw before the deck was built, I want to get all the suggestions I can about how we should tackle this before Sunny or anyone commits to this. I have heard from multiple contractors there is concern it's too much dip for self-leveling concrete alone. They cannot give us solutions until the deck is gone. I spoke to a contractor who asked why we allowed OSB when the switch was made. They said they wouldn't even use it for shelving and that solid plywood was the option we should have stuck by. I felt embarrassed saying, "There was an article online that said OSB had the same strength as plywood so it was decided that the switch was ok." We didn't defer to the expertise of a contractor or seek the opinions of multiple contractors about the OSB and that imo was the HUGE mistake. Eugene's con - imo- would have been stopped immediately if we took a breath, did some fact checking, and called up some contractors for their advice. Back to what I was saying.... if the flooring is outside of Sunny's scope, we need to go with someone who has the expertise to do this right. I do not want to have the floor done THREE times before the store opens. With this round, we'll have a lot closer supervision on this than we did that last time. I know that you guys would catch things we may overlook. You guys have brought up good points and concerns that I'm taking notes on and passing to Louis.

[@tonymccrory8043]

@@cinnavision People are telling you that the floor can't take the weight of self-levelling concrete. But, they are not engineers, and can't possibly calculate the load that the floor is capable of taking. They are going based on a hunch. Get a structural engineer to examine the floor. They may be able to tell you why the floor is not level, and if the floor can't take the weight of concrete, can it even take the weight of a shop full of heavy benches and people. Their advice may be the best basis upon which you proceed. Who knows- maybe there is a serious issue underlaying the root cause of the sloping floor. Or maybe it is something trivial to repair from underneath. One thing I've learned is that there is a time when it is right to listen to independent professional advice.

[@2.Panzerdivision]

"But you're Chinese!" -Yes, but I have standards I died.

[@lewispommells234]

Sunny seems like a great guy and a great friend but I'd still choose one of the other guys. From my own experience in getting friends to do work for me it always ends in disappointment and can strain or even destroy a friendship. The price you'd save from choosing sunny is a lot less than pricelss expense of the potential destruction of friendship if things go wrong and something will because it always does with construction. With a 3rd party if problems develop it sucks but you won't have the torture and conflict of knowing a friend is involved. Just my 2 cents!

[@PrettyGuardian]

He already lost money choosing the more expensive option.

[@e5m956]

My family has used friends/family for construction work more than outsiders over the years and we never had a problem.

[@bjbilyk]

Alright, my verdict after seeing all three... A. Landlord's guy: I think this guy will get it right at a good price. B. Amos's group: Probably great work, but pricey. Unless he gives you an influencer discount. C. Sunny: Good guy, but hard to get a feel if he can handle the scope of work. Get the feeling that he's more comfortable with small jobs. Like why not have his own preferred dumpster company? Having you schedule the dumpster in NYC where parking is at a premium... Weird. If he wants to cut you a break, and let you buy the materials, he should still go with you to get quantities right and use his contractor discount, ect.

[@bjbilyk]

@@KevinOsborne1987 Oh my. I can't believe contractor A came in so high. Really thought he'd be half that.

[@parma2414]

@@KevinOsborne1987 Where did you get those numbers from?

[@janikarkkainen3904]

I'm sure Sunny will do a good job. Possibly a bit more than he can chew, feels like he's fresh out of the oven (it does look like he does know what he is saying and doing, but like, I think he doesn't have years of experience behind him?), but I'm sure he will rather pay the cost from personal time and health rather than mess with Louis. He'd be kinda getting a second chance to prove himself to Louis, and that's a massive motivator - slaying that psychological nemesis he's been (knowingly or unknowingly) cultivating since Louis fired him. (and from what I've seen, he definitely feels more grateful about it than bitter, so I'm pretty sure the energy is gonna lean on the positive)

[@Marcony-R2D2]

Hire Sunny. A fucking legend 😂

[@brandonwc]

@@phillylove7290 What's wrong with it? I reno'd my house and hired my neighbor as my electrician. We went to Home Depot together and filled up the shopping cart with needed materials. Even found some recessed lights on clearance and bought up the whole stock to put in the basement. He did a fantastic job, and I've got the best looking most OCD organized electrical panel I've ever seen.

[@TheRetroMess]

8:53 Sunny: "I mean, does it matter? No. But this is very Chinese of them." Louis: "Sunny! You're Chinese!" Sunny: "Yes. I know, but I have standards." LOL

[@ErCapoAlex]

Lol

[@3polygons]

It's extremely rewarding to know of a boss that trusts a guy he fired 7 years ago, because was objective enough to see the man's progress, instead of having an egomaniac take at the guy forever. Never been fired, but have seen how people not even fired, but leaving a company by own will, get for ever badmouthed by the boss... through the years. Makes u believe in humanity again...

[@greganator111]

Honestly getting told by the company I work at was concidering letting me go was the best thing to happen to me, I worked as hard as I could and learned as much as I could, I am now the Lead Game developer there.

[@Calyrekt]

greganator111 lead dev where

[@greganator111]

@@Calyrekt I would rather not disclose that because then it becomes drastically easier to figure out my identity.

[@rossmanngroup]

I am proud of you man

[@adamv6753]

That is great, my drive from growing up poor not being able to afford food.

[@greganator111]

@@YourMotherSucksCocksInHell Well, then didnt think anyone would care enough, How?

[@goatfather2966]

This channel is a great mix of comedy, technical information and drama. Unique content that isn't just weird for weird sake, is getting rare. Kudos for I am entertained.

[@GemmaLB]

Louis, you said in another video talking about Karma that you wondered what you'd done to deserve Eugene. What if you are Eugene's Karma? I mean he seems to have been doing this for ages but only now has he screwed over someone with nearly 1.1 million subscribers on KZbin and got all kinds of bad publicity that is top of the Google search page when you look him or his company up when he was flying under the radar before.

[@KillerMetaCooler]

True, I had the exact same thought. All of this was Eugene's karma biting him in the ass and Louis is just a medium. I know Louis also suffered due to it but he did received a lots of well wishes and support to balance it out.

[@tomsan7742]

and think how many subs are concentrated in and around nyc.

[@ccgb92]

Karmaception

[@blueskiesjazz]

Not for nothing but Sunny sounds like he knows what he's doing. I'm glad you've found him.

[@matthewg7835]

Careful of the floor tile. Could contain asbestos especially if they’re 9”x9”

[@Rustyfinger]

Matthew G, I thought exactly the same. We have them in the uk. I’ve been doing commercial fit outs for 17 years, those tiles are everywhere.

[@christiangeiselmann]

Why is 9x9 especially concerning?

[@DocNo27]

@@christiangeiselmann reveals the likely age - an age where asbestos was far more common.

[@streetstomper]

Literally what I came to say. I really hope they see this and go about having it tested correctly.

[@lightningdemolition1964]

@@christiangeiselmann I am a demolition contractor and have had a lot of floors tested. The inspectors I talked to said the chances of a 9 by 9 tile containing asbestos is close to 100 percent so you can tell just by looking at them. I don't know why, maybe it was just one company which made that size? It can save you testing money if you just assume they contain asbestos and either leave them in place or know that you need to budget to have a professional remove them. There are a lot of other asbestos containing materials including tiles, adhesive, roof mastic etc. So all suspect material to be disturbed should be tested.

[@MilkyCao]

"Sunny you're chinese" "yes, i know. But i have standards" THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW YOU FOUND A GOOD CONTRACTOR (and or friend)

[@rossmanngroup]

As I mentioned in another comment, Sunny's ability to make me smile when I'm down by saying something ridiculously inappropriate, but funny, with perfect timing is one of his greatest social skills

[@PassFissn]

user name and avatar checks out

[@ccgb92]

I could tell from the beginning the way sunny said "not bad" lmao louis and his dynamic are great

[@exploridori]

@@PassFissn bro the user name is in japanese

[@Livin1nExile]

You cannot bury a junction box in a ceiling without any access, for the jbox with the lighting in it. You need to put in an access panel.

[@Aqualightnin]

He said close up the ceiling after you rewire it properly. As in not having a junction box but rewiring it how it's supposed to be

[@perigeedynamics5941]

Huge props to you, Louis. A lot of people would see his success, be salty about the past and attempt to discredit his recent accomplishments.

[@MrAscetic23]

Idk how making shitty work was easier for these people, Ive built a few decks with with my Step father, and its so easy just to do good work.

[@wizard3z868]

lol con- tractors are looking to make as much money as possible and than have to come back to fix/redo after a cple of yrs or months if the customer is dumb enough. one reason i hover over or just do it myself. i tell the contractor up front i will be watching you dont like it move along

[@Felipe2077tv]

Easy to do good work, but cheaper AND easier to do shit work! How else would Eugene pay for his drugs/gambling?

[@woswasdenni1914]

not easier, he jsut hired people with no clue because they are cheaper and thats the best they could do

[@wizard3z868]

@@Felipe2077tv 👊👏👍

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

Just lay the priorities on money, that’s how.

[@morkovija]

"I'm chinese, but I have standads" - brutal!

[@bens3665]

Why did the Demolition video go private from the live channel? Probably one of the funniest things was Paul trying to pry up the OSB with a 2x4. I could not stop laughing.

[@MoreCharactersThanNeeded]

This is my favorite video on your channel. Sunny is hilariously witty. Please, make more videos with him!

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

That whole section of the floor was basically held by two nails. This is insane!

[@cabledomain1615]

10:00 Hey Louis, You CANNOT hide any electrical junction box behind a wall or ceiling, It MUST have a face-plate, and have less than 1/8" gap between the box and Sheetrock to meet fire code. -Only low voltage connections can be enclosed behind Sheetrock and even that is not good practice.

[@branstasko1]

Sunny spent too much time joking and criticizing the prior work rather than focusing on the scope of work. I personally believe you shouldn’t do business with people you know. My vote is for Contractor A, he seemed to focus on what you wanted and gave helpful tips.

[@cinnavision]

Sunny has seen this space several times.

[@elisirfly]

A wants $85k though... But it might be most reasonable pick after all - B wants $63k without floors or paint and lets be honest Sunny while certainly a chill dude might not handle work of this scope or caliber and looks least experienced compared to other two imo. And Louis' argument that he knows him well and Sunny's reputation is on the line is not enough (but again just an opinion).

[@DevinDTV]

Suggestion: Lapel mics for the people who don't mind it, for much better quality audio in this very echoey space. I'm sure Sunny and most of the other people who know you wouldn't mind it. The random contractors you don't know can get picked up on the regular mic and we can live with it.

[@_DMAC]

8:30: talking a language Louis understands with the water damage example. Awesome. :)

[@gg-gn3re]

at 0:40 he talks about it being off the stud that's what will cause a lot of floor squeaking, the floor wouldn't have lasted more than a year before it started making a lot of noise (assuming that area got traffic)

[@OperationDecoded]

Sunny seems like a nice guy but I fear he doesn't bring the expertise required for a job as complex as this. I'm not saying he will screw you intentionally, it might just be that he simply doesn't know enough to fix this mess. He wants to help, but the better question is: Can he?

[@oldmanballer5088]

Yeah I kinda agree I keep thinking or get the feeling Sunny knows just enough to be dangerous! For who we aren’t sure!

[@Tedlasman]

This job ain't that complex. It ain't a dental office that requires lead in the walls, etc. Even that, you just need to read the spec and that's it.

[@jamesmcmanamy4704]

@@Tedlasman Sunny doesn't know the codes, hasn't much experience. He would be a disaster.

[@joekahno]

You don't need to be a skilled trade to be a licensed general contractor. You need to know how to hire, (contract), and coordinate the skilled trades that will complete their portions of the job.

[@STONE69_]

@@joekahno I hope your right?? because Sunny could not even pry the plywood, Paul did much better!!!

[@burningdust]

It’s agonizing to see a solid guy like you struggle with this. Really hope you’re able to recover anything you paid to Eugene.

[@kay110]

Thats why it flexed and squeeked!

[@seeingblind2]

Everyone knows when you fire someone you're actually tossing them into a Volcano. Obviously...

[@theblackhundreds7124]

Wait you dont? I have worked at this McDonalds with my CS degree for years now.

[@googleplusisdead]

@@theblackhundreds7124 Start your own business as a sideline, that's what I'm doing. RichE San Diego, CA

[@Autechltd]

Ok Obi Wan.

[@needaman66]

That "header" isnt a true header, theres no weight on it, it just packing to lower the door frame.

[@jr_8712]

My thoughts exactly. Someone cut the steel studs too short and did a doofus repair. If it were a true header it would need king studs and jack studs on either side of the header

[@needaman66]

@Jonny B yeah but still not doing anything important. I was disgusted with the way the joists were supported amd mentioned it but thought maybe that commonplace in America.

[@needaman66]

@Jonny B we dont have to for partitions, only load bearing and they have to be engineered timbers like f27 hardwood or equivalent lvl

[@Hades035]

@Jonny B my thoughts ex. its just standard, non loading or not

[@DracoMhuuh]

I guess an advantage Sunny has over the other contractors is, given that he also has a repair shop and has seen how yours works, he understands the workflow better and can take it into account when necessary/possible

[@DracoMhuuh]

@@KevinOsborne1987 Fair enough, I just thought about it because he was already asking about where they wanted the queues. So I guessed maybe there's more he could keep in mind. The electrical for example.

[@timehunter9467]

There’s only one word for this quality of work: shit. How can anyone take pride in their work when it’s been done to that awful a standard?

[@wildcodefox7313]

Eugene dosent. That's the point to scams, do just enough to get away with as much of the cash as possible

[@brentharris3003]

Your steam system is single pipe system. Very few 'baseboard' radiators can accommodate steam, especially single pipe. Pipe size vs grade of the radiator (2 percent). Steam has to flow up the pipe, condense, then return in same pipe. Water cannot exceed 1/3 pipe diameter or it will back up and not heat. If copper fin tube is used you will find a temperature will rise and fall rapidly (enough to be annoying). Burnham offers cast iron baseboard heaters, but they have to have grade (3/8" per foot). This may not be esthetically pleasing. BTU rating will have to match your existing rad.

[@mikes3173]

I love reading comments from people that actually know about steam heat, I don't think a lot of people are familiar with it. I'd just stick with the old radiator and paint it for now, but hey..

[@studioviper3016]

Watching sunny use a crowbar at the end was a bit painful. I was shouting at the screen "turn the crowbar round man... you need some leverage!"

[@STONE69_]

@Just ME Onlyme what about when he started touching the Saw blade with it plugged in, I could'nt watch that part lol

[@josephking6515]

It's not a crowbar. It is a *pinch bar* also called a *tyre lever* in some countries . A crowbar is much longer (6 ft), thicker (1") and heavier (20lbs).

[@STONE69_]

@@josephking6515 you are incorrect go to any home Depot type store and they are labeled as Crowbars of various sizes.

[@DurzoBlunts]

The fun begins, good to see a happy crew together. With cracks if you cant fit a penny in it, dont worry about it. Stay strong drink lots of water and get yourself a Double Cat Paw Pry Bar!!!!!! Damn that would make prying soooooo much easier!!!!!!!

[@jsecret9459]

5:25 Are those Asbestos floor tiles?

[@daniulchowdhury7110]

Thanks for making these videos! I've always wanted to learn how a business sets up physically.

[@iPhoneAppReviewer]

It seems like Sonny has a lot going on with his own business, how is he going to find the time to work on this?

[@gordonrichardson2972]

iPhoneAppReviewer He says contracting work is quiet in the winter.

[@ontinz]

@@gordonrichardson2972 so he is having the repair business and the contracting work at the same time? Sorry for my bad English, although I go through most of the related videos but not capable to understand every line.

[@canadajointops]

@@ontinz your English is 👍

[@elisirfly]

@@ontinz Not to be rude but please stop apologising to people about your English - if your comment is short, understandable and adds something to discussion as a whole noone will beat you over grammar unless it's much more text to read - then the quality of grammar means more. So no worries there man, your English is fine.

[@ttomkins4867]

Get a Diablo blade for your saw. About $15 and a trip the Home Depot but will more then make up for it in the time it takes to cut up the floor. (easier on your saw too)

[@dontakeshit]

@Just ME Onlyme have always gotten this sense about Paul

[@fieldpictures1306]

Louis, don't talk yourself into working with Sonny just because you know him. Get him to write down exactly how he proposes to do each task and put a time/manpower breakdown to each. I've been around interior and exterior commercial construction for over 40 years, my opinion is that he's a bit of a fish out of water. Don't let this one spin out of control, you only have one bullet left in you gun. Use it wisely and check and check again. My spidery senses are tingling a bit. I want to see you succeed. Sure its a pretty simple job and he may be able to do it well, just keep your eyes open.

[@cinnavision]

Yep, we've been doing this.

[@brandonwc]

Agreed. Does he have a crew, or subs that he's worked with in the past that he knows will be available? If he takes twice as long a Brenner(sp?), then add $12K to the estimate to compensate for the rent.

[@only_retro]

Hi Louis. I suggest you to consider high density foam insulation boards to raise that floor and plywood on top. They're solid enough to support anything. Bet is much cheaper. Respect!

[@firsttpt]

"In the front"? You don't want the light switch to be in the front where your customers can accidentally (or on purpose) turn it on/off. Right?

[@gtfkt]

Good point.

[@laurencefraser]

It's not the only consideration though. There is a reason why 'right next to the door' is the default position for light switches (and there are (usually) equally good reasons for why they are elsewhere when that's tge case.)

[@alfoncejean8826]

@@laurencefraser by code new York store must keep a lit windows. that's means the front will always be lit thre is no need for an easely axessible switch.

[@redsquirrelftw]

I was thinking the same. Should put one switch in the front for the front area, and then put the other switches behind the desk. Also, I would leave that AC unit where it is, but finish that wall part so it extends all the way to the other end, and make it into an archway and look intentional. Moving that AC unit involves removing the freon and rebraising the lines and readding it and it's a big expensive job.

[@zachdemand4508]

@@redsquirrelftw They have said before that the ac is fairly new and the copper hasn't work hardened yet so they may be able to move it without breaking/disconnecting the copper.

[@Kris_M]

I was in doubt how bad the floor would really be, but then in the first few seconds of this video I see that they used a block of OSB to support and level the beams (at 0:05 to the left of the nails). This OSB would get crushed and split more and more over time due to the dynamic load of people walking over it. Always use solid would for that, plywood might work okay but OSB definitely not!

[@paulcarmi8130]

It's free nailestate

[@excitedbox5705]

Why not use leveling compound instead of giving up 8 inches of your space. You pour it down spread it out and let it dry. Then you roll the liner and lay linoleum or hardwood on top. You loose 1/2-1 inch of height max and it takes 2-3 days to dry. That framing they did should never have been done unless you have a huge drop from one side to the other.

[@FrankieBeanss]

this project is going to go on forever

[@stefanoconca2403]

Louis, why you did not choose a floating floor? Like in data centers or machine rooms? You would have a nice leveling and reconfigurable floor, plenty of space for wiring outlets, data lines,hvac.. etc.

[@THE-MAD-TECHIE]

I would advise caution against pulling up the old tile, you might consider laying over the top, a good contractor will bring this up. I know a lot of people may be triggered by that suggestion (feeling it is cutting corners) but tile that was installed pre 1980 has a small chance of asbestos and if the tile predates the early 1960s it has a very high chance of having asbestos. Asbestos is most dangerous when disturbed (e.g. broken and it then releases micro-particles that get trapped in your lungs and skin.) Also it requires special permits and expensive remediation to remove it properly.

[@cinnavision]

I've seen the tiles that were broken up near makeshift door frame area and it's just concrete underneath it.

[@timramich]

Vinyl composition tile?

[@THE-MAD-TECHIE]

@@timramich yes some older Vinyl tile did contain asbestos , it just matters on how old it is. Just google search Asbestos Vinyl, sheet vinyl is worse than tiles but both can be expensive to remove properly, and as mentioned by another the fines are horrific.

[@THE-MAD-TECHIE]

@@Halfcocked1222 That was actually my main concern also , the fines and costs to go it properly most common practice is to just build over it.

[@Xmetalfanx]

GOOD GOD that is bad construction ... when i thought "try to save it" ... I was thinking "why redo the the same good work" .... seeing the QUALITY of the work ... I am so glad you listened to your gut and moved on to (when you finally pick one) a different contractor

[@nocuh]

The true Gotham City Solution: 1 part client sweat 1 part client tears 1 part contractor spit shaken not stirred and served raw on the half-ass

[@spencerhan7995]

Seems like Sunny knows his shit. Way better than last dude.

[@VampireOnline]

Are you going to put the live stream of ripping the floors back up? I was enjoying that on my lunch yesterday lol.

[@NonyaDamnbusiness]

I like Sunny. He's confident in his abilities and has done really well in life. In the retro gaming handheld and amateur radio worlds we have a word for this type of work: "Chinesium". You can often tell a fine Chinesium board by the way it looks - leftover flux everywhere, cold solder joints, solder flakes, batteries soldered directly to the mainboard, etc. Right now you have a finely-crafted "Chinesium" floor.

[@845amg]

Kind of amazing that a licensed contractor did this work... I'm not a contractor and when I build my own stuff I at least observe basic building practices and keep it to code. Fasteners should never support a load... that is just common sense and basic physics. Fasteners hold things together, they do not support loads. Plywood is not designed to span and must be supported... It's more work to bungle a job than it is to just do it correctly. At least it looks like they used *some* glue for the plywood.

[@NorthernContrarian]

>Kind of amazing that a licensed contractor did this work... Just goes to show that any idiot can get a license. The license is just a way for the state/city to tax people instead of having low barriers of entry which benefits the economy. If the licenses worked we'd not have these issues. A licence to operate a business is nothing but a parking ticket, and unlike parking tickets that are enforced there's no sanctions no over-sight etc. on licence holders. Not even minimum quality assurance. Hence licences are pointless.

[@845amg]

@@NorthernContrarian That was my point.

[@GenerationXT]

845AMG Quote "Kind of amazing that a licensed contractor did this work" That shouldn't be a surprise. There are plenty of people who are licensed to do lots of things who do shotty work.

[@timramich]

I hope the "fasteners should not support load" thing only applies to wooden framing, because there is plenty in the world of metal structures where fasteners do support load.

[@845amg]

​@@timramich Yeah, completely different. Usually the fasteners, locations, and number of them are engineered for the load. I'd trust their little plywood supports a bit more if they were glued and screwed... but just nails in wood? They'll work out over time much faster. While you can toe-nail floor joists to a rim joist, there is a standard number of them and fastener-size guideline for this. Even screws in wood like that will loosen up and start to make noise. We're dealing with 2x4 pine lumber here, not W36 x 650 steel beams. Louis wants a quiet level floor and that wouldn't be it. As was discussed in the video, the raised floor should be shimmed. You want wood structures to be supported by other wood in a compression load. If they properly shimmed the joists, anchored it all to the existing floor, and properly glued / supported the plywood it would have been fine. The little plywood scabbed-on blocks will be pressed against the floor repeatedly and want to twist away from the side with the plywood block. It'll help loosen the nails even faster. Sunny alludes to this when talking about the header. The header should be extended all the way to the sides of the opening with cripple studs supporting it from below. Like he said, it would probably work just fine... but it's not the correct way to build a doorway or window opening. You're supposed to transfer and divert that load around the doorway, not through it. It's not a load bearing wall so it's not that big of a deal... just lazy to build like that. The rockwool is sort of a waste too. All it will do is absorb resonant sounds and will do almost nothing to mitigate noise transmission throughout the floor structure. It's great stuff for helping reduce noise between rooms though. I was impressed the first time I used it. It does not help much when the noises you are trying to reduced are penetrating the environment through joists, studs, flooring in the same room, etc. Properly shimming, gluing, and anchoring will do way more for noise reduction. To truly make it quiet the whole floor surface would need to be floating on isolators without fasteners as well as add dampening shield to the flooring. The fasteners themselves will help transmit noise into the floor structure. It's a lot of work to make a wood floor truly quiet. Too much cost to even be worth it. I'd just deal with the uneven floor. Patch / smooth the "big" holes and call it a day. I'm assuming that's a concrete floor. But what do I know, I'm just a nerd. If you want it done correctly, spend a lot of time to learn it yourself and do it or spend less time but more money to find the correct person for the job.

[@chudzinskiadrian]

I've come back to louis after a little break and have seen sunny twice now... I already love him XD

[@greentriumph1643]

Are those 9 inch tiles? Are they asbestos?

[@sujeethnadella6856]

Hey Paul, Good job, shows how much you care for Louis , what do you like more having to fix the worst boards in the pile or having to do this

[@bobs12andahalf2]

Oh jesus the posts were NAILED on 😂 now we've seen it all

[@gtfkt]

It's not just that they were nailed, it's that they were not even glued on.

[@mlindholm]

@@gtfkt good point, a hefty squirt of Liquid Nails would've made sure they were immobilized. Of course, there was still the issue that he cheaped out and started making them out of goddamn OSB, then on top of that, wasn't even making sure they were TOUCHING THE FLOOR!

[@SepticFuddy]

They needed to be shimmed regardless, which didn't happen.

[@gg-gn3re]

You'd be amazed at how many people, even engineers, say nails are so strong blah blah blah compared to screws/glue

[@Segphalt]

@@gg-gn3re Nails are strong, the problem is the nails are in shear and would have broken or been pulled out. Supports go under the studs not on the side.

[@TehHijack]

Sunny was the best man to do this. I'm glad he's doing this now!

[@YouTube2021FM]

I don't disagree Sonny is a good MacBook/computer repair shop, and that you can absolutely trust him. HOWEVER, this doesn't make him a good or motivated building contractor. This isn't his specialist area. I strongly advise hiring Brenner.

[@Conservator.]

Louis Rossmann Hi, I think it will be worth considering wireless switching for the lights. You could turn on the lights before you enter and switch off after you’ve left. It would also make it easy to switch individual and groups of lights.

[@blikzems]

I thought the same thing running some form of open hab amd setting scenes for open and close procedure... Quick tap on ur phone trigger lights, tvs, hvac, etc... Im sure louis could figure out the electronics... Lol

[@Conservator.]

Hardus Swanepoel You can buy Sonoff switches at about $8 a piece. They have WiFi and you could reflash them with Tasmota if you don’t trust their ‘security’ (you shouldn’t). There are plenty of other p&p solutions but I’d prefer open source software over proprietary sw.

[@douggouty8455]

NOT to code! Sunny's suggestion to patch over a junction box is a dangerous code violation. Do NOT do that. Very basic, he must not know what he is doing... Watch out for Sunny! BTW I used to run a commercial construction company.

[@Aqualightnin]

He didn't say the patch over a junction box you said to rip it out and rewire it properly and then close the ceiling

[@douggouty8455]

@@Aqualightnin nooo... I beg to differ. And looking through the comments im not the only person who noticed it.

[@rossmanngroup]

It makes no sense for there to be a junction box there, that leftover junk from the demolition of the office will have to be redone completely.

[@holyknightthatpwns]

Jeez, I'd assumed the work was shoddy, but I'm really glad you took that flooring up

[@str0g]

Put a window in your office. It looks like a 'calm' interrogation room.

[@Antyvas]

It's where he'll be interrogating Erica about her Apple product usage.

[@arielrivera1331]

Definitely add a window with one way glass

[@JM-yx1lm]

I bet he gonna hate working in there alone all the time. Wont be long and he will move pauls desk into there.

[@lydellb]

Yeah, put a one way mirror on the wall so he can see out into the store but people can't see in lol

[@Yuurekk]

I love your edits. Putting the end at the beginning like that, so we can watch the video on loop.

[@avlisk]

OMG, that floor construction was CRAP. Everything was crap! A truly amazing job by the Eugene company. It turns out you escaped pretty cheaply by just saying "No mas!"

[@lawrencejneuser8801]

Louis, remember the major part of carpentry is stacking lumber, you do not hang a floor off a wall and expect it to stay unless it's supported underneath. not supporting a header is a no no.

[@djwilliams4714]

Don't put the TV's on a switched outlet, it's not recommended to turn them on/off like that. It will be better for them to have constand power, and turn them on/off with a remote. If the TVs are the same brand, one remote will work them all.

[@florencegomer7937]

Leaving them powered up overnight is a (very small) fire risk. Damned either way.

[@mjc0961]

Or... Switch off the TV with the remote first, and _then_ hit the outlet switch to kill power to the outlets so the TVs aren't continuing to drain power. I've done something similar with my TV for years, and it has been perfectly fine. Sometimes I don't even switch it off first.

[@matejsvantner9190]

@@mjc0961 General idea with modern electronics is, that it has switched power supplies and those don't like repeated cold starts -> capacitors in them discharge completely when they are off and then there is a surge when they rapidly charge after reconnection. This combined with aging and drying of the caps may cause that the thing will not turn on again. Many brands don't have issues like this at all, usually because they use high quality name-brand caps. High powered electronics (such as motor inverters, known as VFD's in US) often have special arrangements to pre-charge the capacitor bank with low current, but we are talking about devices worth 4,5+ figures.

[@death31313]

Damn, Sunny sounds like a man of many talents, who takes pride in his work. Definitely a good man to know.

[@jamesmcmanamy4704]

I'm worried you are going to pick Sonny. He is a nice guy but if you want the job done right, go with Brener. He has all the big boy tools, the knowledge and has a huge amount to lose if he screws up the job and he knows this. You have to put your feelings aside and go with the best contractor. Sonny isn't a contractor. Brener is. Good luck.

[@nicholaslandolina]

James Mcmanamy Sonny is a contractor

[@nicholaslandolina]

BiggestComplainer Not dieing anything that required a tape measure

[@MadMetalShop]

Yeah don't take much for anyone to get their hands on a license. Why do you think there's so many licensed hacks out there?

[@randomnickify]

Lol, four weeks later Sonny has finished his job perfectly :)

[@yipperdeyip]

@BiggestComplainer You judged a book by it's cover HARD. Even though there was a lot of context in the video, you completely ignored that and spewed out your prejudice bullshit.

[@shockingguy]

Wow I just found this post, I can’t tell you how many floors I’ve built and how many decks I’ve built and this is some of the crappiest work I’ve ever seen. It’s a good thing you tore the shit up. Also I saw some other videos by this guy Sunny, I guess I must’ve missed something along the way here. 🤔

[@MikeHarris1984]

Leave the tv screens on and when closed have it do banner rotations people can view from street.

[@twistedsaints]

No window from your office to the rest of the office? maybe some one way glass or something? I cant imagine being completely sealed in like that with nothing to look at for 12 hours a day.

[@morkovija]

How on earth are you going to pick between him and Amos? Daym! The story arc in this season is better than the last GoT season!

[@CordovanSplotchVT]

Pretty much anything that isn't that new Batwoman show is better than season 8 of Game of Thrones. The long man and his toxic brood send their regards.

[@borutb11]

Apparently Amos is way too expensive... over 80k

[@Segphalt]

@@borutb11 68k, the 93k one was from the one the landlord recommended.

[@F-Bomb313]

At 6:47 pause the video, is the curvature of the floor caused by your lens or is it really that bad... oh wait, the ceiling curves the opposite way so it must be the lens

[@mapo5976]

Not just a bad contractor that you fired.... It's the bad workmanship by low skilled workers.... Doesn't matter how good the contractor is.... He's carried or ruined by his workers. Just as well you got rid of that trash.

[@ngstigator]

I have no idea who should do the work, but if Sunny has a KZbin channel I would totally subscribe.

[@hankrearden5460]

No offense to Sunny but hire either the Russian or Amos's company. I know they probably will be more expensive but it will be done right. Esp if Amos crew is on it.

[@pansepot1490]

Do you know them personally? $68,000 it’s the quote from Amos’ company, tiles and paint not included. Sounds a lot considering there’s no construction to do. And more expensive isn’t always a guarantee of a better job.

[@hankrearden5460]

@@pansepot1490 considering what just happened to him you think it's the best idea to go with a lowest quote? Is Amos charging a lot? Sure, but they will do the job correctly.

[@c182SkylaneRG]

@@hankrearden5460 Louis didn't go with the lowest quote the first time, either. He's said a couple of times that he thinks the lowest quote would actually have done a better job than what he got, so the quote isn't everything...

[@dontakeshit]

@@KevinOsborne1987 lol that guy knew as soon as he talked to Paul he could price gouge the fuck out of these guys

[@GoogleSpyZon]

You can not hide a junction box in the ceiling, it's against code. You can rewire or just put a plate on it

[@rossmanngroup]

The junction box was there when they initially demo'd that front office space. There is no reason for it to be there now since we do not have an office space there, so having it there makes zero sense, as does putting a plate/access panel. Rewiring the setup as it would have been run if this were an open space was what the electrician recommended doing.

[@_clemens_]

I would recommend you to rip the floor out asap, so the contractors can have a good look what the floor lookslike and come up with a good suggestion what to do with it and give a quote accordingly.

[@ndub6021]

You like stating obvious shit to sound ike you know what you're talking about, don't ya?

[@jftechdrones]

He's already started doing that.

[@DumahBrazorf]

... like pouring self leveling concrete

[@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff]

Remember to cut away the raised floor to make the proper step-down to the basement stairs. Otherwise, someone is going to take a very nasty tumble.