Since When is WarCraft 2 so HARD? | WC2 P2

I don't remember Warcraft 2 being THIS hard lol what happened?!
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[@moocherman8]

When life gets you down, just remember Warcraft 2's words of wisdom. You're the captain!

[@johnt7551]

Argh?

[@davidm2031]

Stop poking me!

[@infernalgnu]

Who wants to sing?

[@SPAMMAN123456789]

aye matee

[@monolith94]

Zug zug!

[@CodySparksModes]

"Okay, we are safe" Peon dies immediatly.. best laugh I have had in awhile.

[@toughnerd]

That could not have been timed better if he tried.

[@LOLHoneybadger]

The "Okay, we're safe" at 1:18:10 followed by the Ballista arrow coming in had me rollin' lol

[@sambrown7691]

I immediately feel less bad at not being able to do this campaign at the age of 7

[@Fastwinstondoom]

I was abit older when I first played it but I remember mostly winning by having the patience to run the AI out of gold in various ways.

[@green11ndy]

@@Fastwinstondoom Yep many hours of economy and defense and wars of attrition

[@redwings13400]

One thing I like a lot about the maps in Warcraft 2 and Starcraft is just the asymetry and weirdness of these maps. In Starcraft 2 in particular, maps feel like they were built to be easy to play with clearly outlined spots for expansions. It feels a little... artificial in some ways. In warcraft 2, the completely bizarrely placed gold mines and weird lumber spots forces you to think a little more about where and how you want to expand. It's not as neatly laid out for you, sometimes you have to chop trees around the mines to even build a town hall near them, and it's just a bit more interesting and appealing to look at. The SC2 campaigns are my favorite RTS campaigns of all time, but I did really enjoy the counterintuitive weirdness of some of the earlier game maps. It just feels like I'm playing in a natural landscape as opposed to playing in an area designed around my structures.

[@Socragames]

New starcraft 2 maps kinda put the same idea back, with paths blocked by low amount of minerals and the like, it's just much less organic and more deliberate. Good sides and bad sides to it.

[@rayznbread603]

@@Socragames actually if he would just use the goblin sappers it's quite easy to make any area into a good expansion on top of a gold mine easy to tuck it into the trees for defense as well

[@koshi6505]

The asymmetry ends up being a big deal because players gets to choose where they want to start to some extent.

[@buzzhonky]

Yes, this! Even Warcraft 3 followed suit on some of those missions with really risky expansion locations that made you weigh the cost/benefit, all of course in real time. It's a lot of fun! Makes the world feel much more organic.

[@chrisschmidt2245]

I hope Day9 keeps this up and plays through Beyond the Dark Portal. Some of those missions were completely merciless.

[@CyrusZalath]

Indeed, it starts out pretty hard and then it gets worse. :D Orcs from Nethergarde was rough, and the final human one was just insane..

[@Grzybasek]

Yes! That would be awesome!

[@TheVanillatech]

Yeah I breezed through WC2 last year .... gave up half way through Drk Portal! :DDD

[@CyrusZalath]

@@TheVanillatech you can sometimes make it a bit easier if you avoid making towers and delay the blacksmith as they aggro the ai. 😊

[@dankwiemz]

@@TheVanillatech Which side? I made it to the the final orc level before I had to tap out. But the human campaign I've only made it half way too lol

[@VinniePaul91]

Love how at 1:27:00 he finally figures out to build the farms during building the great hall instead of making it faster, which only wastes food and gold and delays the building of the first peon even more, to only immediately stop doing that.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

I have to agree about the Wilhelm Scream. It will IMMEDIATELY take me out of whatever movie I'm watching, no matter how immersed I had been previously.

[@TMullen8]

"okay, we're safe" was iconic

[@franciscoorlandineto6343]

Day9 completely annoyed: "This is the best game I've ever played". This is how I remember Warcraft 2.

[@MrUkuleleninja]

"I don't wanna be efficient I just wanna make a bunch of shit". Spoken like a true Starcraft player :P. That was one thing I really liked about warcraft 2, you had to monitor your resources so much more than Starcraft or the later iterations of warcraft. Figuring out the right balance of worker count and getting max efficiency out of your units were always necessary to win (especially in the later levels of the game).

[@jashuaaltig6058]

I remember having to restart scenario because i mined the entire map and was stupid with my management, though in my defense i was like 7 years old lmao. Still to this day some of the maps especially the Dark portal ones seem damn near impossible! I dont think ive beaten the Dark portal without cheats to this day. CHEATER! rank was always a fun easteregg lol

[@MrLTiger]

warcraft 2 is surprisingly hard. you have to hunt down every last remaining grunt from every corner of every dark spot of every map

[@Reliquarium]

"Transporting units over sea is too hard." Proceeds to ferry 9 groups of peons over sea to the enemy's base instead of troops. 😂😂

[@lagg1e]

Has enough of a stockpile to build 9 battleships, but instead gets dominated on water by what looks like 2 destroyers.

[@Syrick]

Come for the Warcraft 2, stay for the life lessons and wisdom.

[@realblublu]

My favorite sound effect in this game has got to be the Ogre Mound sound.

[@Grzybasek]

Yesss!

[@DrakusRecords]

I always felt like I sucked at RTS games because I never could complete the Warcraft II campaign without cheat codes, but seeing Day9, a professional RTS gamer who has won championships, struggle through it makes me feel better about myself.

[@SilverKnightPCs]

It's the best RTS trainer. If you get good at Warcraft 2 you can basically play any RTS well and we'll have ungodly amounts of APM

[@Quitarstudent]

@@SilverKnightPCs i suck at RTS and my APM is abysmall, but i can with the campaigns with a finger stuck in my nose, dunno why u all think its that hard... there are few nasty missions, but its intensive just few early minutes

[@SilverKnightPCs]

@@Quitarstudent I'm talking about the multi-player lordy. Not to mention the original campaign is not that hard but the beyond the Dark World campaign does test some people's limits. Hop in a multiplayer sometime if you want to see what level of play you have to have to be successful

[@Quitarstudent]

@@SilverKnightPCs well pvp is something else ofc, but check the comments, ppl are talking about campaigns

[@SilverKnightPCs]

@@Quitarstudent replay beyond the dark portal and come back to this comment. I promise your perspective will change

[@CrimzonClover]

There was a human mission, where you have to destroy oil derricks and shipyards only. I tied myself in knots trying to beat it. I DREAMED of this damn mission(in it I had found a secret tunnel underwater that somehow led me to get the big turtle sub) Horde unit I know, it was a dream. In any case I tried using the starting navy and was able to beat in like five minutes:]

[@TheHonzoh]

i love how day9 spends the entire duration of bloodlust to lust every single ogre while they just stand there and do nothing, haha never change

[@Fastwinstondoom]

The HARDEST thing in WC2...is optimizing your bloodlust casts from the Ogre Mages.

[@SilverKnightPCs]

Select one, select bloodlust, click all your units, alt and casts across whole stack

[@Doc51e3]

it was actually a really workable "pirate raider commander" simulator. Like this scenario is a great chance for a player to raid a large stronghold from a tiny coastal base. its really good roleplay.

[@SilverKnightPCs]

Day9 you should play/cast some of the competitive play happening today. Would blow your mind

[@shemsuhor8763]

I never would've beat WC2 or SC and SC:BW without cheats. I did beat WC1 without cheating, though.

[@TheIceman101418]

glittering prizes ftw. lol

[@tomoliop]

The sound effects, the visual style, and the soundtrack - this game got such an amazing vibe.

[@fedirkryvyi]

Catapult- the original Siege Tank

[@SomeNerdSomewhere]

The description of the hypothetical Warcraft 4 was hauntingly accurate.

[@PhazonOmega]

That ice level where you start with the sappers is the most infamous level from my childhood. Could NOT figure it out until years later, at which point I was SO proud of myself! Glad to see Day9 having trouble with it, too. I searched for this level SPECIFICALLY to see how he did. 😂

[@vetiarvind]

i just love the aesthetics of these old games...so immersive as a kid, regards from india!

[@vaendryl]

about those dreadnoughts, they were always my favourite unit in the game - for various reasons. I was so sad warcraft 3 mostly did away with naval units. and I was sooo hype back in the day in vanilla wow when I first went into the Deadmines dungeon.

[@Rudepetsclub]

Blizzard will never make a regular RTS game ever again, just looking at how WC3 Reforged got mishandled I cannot imagine they'd want that backlash again.

[@Reshapable]

I agree they'll never make a RTS again but there's absolutely no backlash left for them to face. They blew it on every angle that exists for them. At most they'd get a dull "still sucking" response.

[@kjarrij]

Right, I can imagine most ppls response if they heard they were starting production of wc4 or sc3 to be like, "stay away from our childhood franchises!!" Like I don't trust blizzard with their own IPs at this point, just let them fade into memory

[@maximakulov3118]

I love how you make impressions on Warcraft ii noises.

[@followcasper9552]

We're ready master. I'm not ready!

[@PhazonOmega]

Sylvanas: Quel'Thelas had never fallen! Me: Except that one time, right?

[@mickcraftgaming]

I played through the campaign for the first time without cheat codes last year, the difficult surprised me as well! It gets RIDICULOUS on some levels in Beyond the Dark Portal. Keep it up! 🔥🔥⚔⚔🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@snuffeldjuret]

3:17:44 kind of cute how day9 thought Gul'dan might be an ogre :).

[@douglasryanadams]

Watching Day9 play RTS games is mesmerizing

[@snuffeldjuret]

2:46:25 I remember being so disappointed that the demons were so weak in wc2 compared to wc1.

[@ilsamsamchil]

Warcraft2's BGM is actually sweet xd

[@gnubbiersh647]

the fact that blizzard created a full size juggernaught in world of warcraft is so cool :D

[@snuffeldjuret]

2:03:42 feels like every start in wc1, you have to look for it almost all the time :P.

[@intoxicary]

I love how the destroyers turn arg into a question. Arg?

[@monolith94]

That ogre attack on the island reminded me of ww1 Italian army tactics

[@RealmRabbit]

I just imagine like, there being that guy in the studio recording the orc voice dialogue at Blizzard for the descriptions of the missions and like... The rest of the team meanwhile laughing their asses off hearing it outside... Like I really hope the person who did that voice just went around the office randomly speaking to people in that voice... I could totally see that happening... I doubt they rlly used legit voice actors in this game, feel like they just were like "Hey, who can do a good orc impression? You? Well congratulations, you get a lil bonus pay to go do that goofy af voice for us for a few hours..." I mean an actual legit VA would probably try hard to sound serious, not like "Hello, me dumb orc but me have good heart!"

[@Gemquist]

Oh boy. Mission 12, Tomb of Sargeras should be interesting to watch. XD

[@maico3010]

Thanks for that chatter at around 2 hours about the green screen. I thought something was wrong with my monitor while watching this.

[@UberZackson1]

So, am I mistaken, or does the mission that he starts at about 2:38:10 sound eerily like the whole Gul'dan/Tomb of Sargeras plot line that is hinted at in Warcraft III in flashbacks? If it is the same plotline, that's really cool that Blizzard circled back to it in Warcraft III. Sort of brings those who didn't play Warcraft II or didn't play this specific mission up to speed about who Gul'dan is and what he did. (Mind you, I'm writing this before I actually watch Day9 play the mission, so I don't know if any of my suspicions are talked about or answered in this very video.)

[@arnfpnt]

"Oh thank God, we're gonna get gold again!" - Day9, sitting on 23k gold

[@snuffeldjuret]

2:27:37 when I tried to play wc2 the last time, I tried two different versions, and it felt like one of the versions had my units be very. very passive. Annoyingly so. The other version had some stuttering in unit movements when issued commands, which was annoying as well, so I ended up not playing :P.

[@snuffeldjuret]

ok so to all the old folks here, shouldn't day9 play master of magic next? I recently got into it and I absolutely adoooore it (it is like a mix of magic the gathering and civilization).

[@kpatterson14206]

"I'm broke"... has 15000 gold

[@Timmahh85]

He could save a bit of gold by building slower. In WC2, extra peons use extra gold and wood to build buildings

[@chaferraro]

Democracy is when your preferred candidate wins, when the other guy does we call it populism. 😂

[@kslart8174]

I agree, the critters were so sick to see in WC2. Gotta say tho, as much as I love the toupée boars, seals are best.

[@LOLHoneybadger]

I find it funny that he didn't bother to build towers in a mission which the base is literally set up to be defended by towers (the one around 2 hours in). lol

[@IWubYooz]

As someone who played a lot of warcraft 3, I found warcraft 2 to be an extremely easy game to come back to. I think it's because warcraft 3 is all about efficiency. You couldn't just throw away units in that game and micro'd as hard as possible to keep everything alive. The death of a few key units could cost you the game. Also I think Day9's relative lack of tower usage ends up costing him more in the long run. In a game with very little healing you take what few healable units you can get.

[@lothrazar]

yeah 2:47:00 in orc 12 its real real easy to run out of gold/resources on these later levels

[@JTygerAU]

Level 7 lives in my nightmares because I kept running out of gold and not being able to finish the level in 1996

[@cfrydlewicz]

100% agree with Day9 on layoffs. They are almost always caused by mismanagement and poor investment choices by upper level executives who are never the ones that end up unemployed for their actions. They're not just in gaming either.

[@snuffeldjuret]

13:14 they buffed them already in wc2 expansion :).

[@n00ban4ga]

@14:00 Haow you win in Star Craft is Maraudas' dood! - Kiwi Kaki

[@TMullen8]

I do love the end of match manhunts

[@MoonJung82]

Oh, OH! Kiwikaki. "Just build marauwders dood!"

[@budderk1305]

this game is about effectively using your finite amount of gold, but I also want and need seven barracks!

[@ModdingNewbie]

The Juggernauts are basically sea-borne catapults. :)

[@Edvinmedvind1234]

"What's a guy gotta do to get a little wood around here, ya know?"

[@snuffeldjuret]

38:40 that mission objective was challenging for a kid who barely knew any English at all :P. Mouth? Excuse me?

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

Warcraft 2 is my favourite farm management simulator.

[@T3hTal0n]

1:16:30 i like how half the screen suddenly became ogres

[@dannyldd]

for anybody interested, in my channel you can find out plenty of new generation WAR2 MODS. Plenty of playthroughs while testing the mods I've been doing since 2020, including playlists with proof of the featues. Please feel free to join the live broadcasts!!!!!!!

[@rhazesyo]

Zeppelin! LMAO

[@markusjohansson6245]

I remember playing the camaign on slow to beat it…

[@user-rg5sl8pv5f]

the thing is, you are not supposed to play it on full speed... The normal speed is like half way. and its because you are suposed to micro your units to get more kills and avoid hits from the balistas.

[@bigtallpaul]

1:17:58 My life in tech.

[@thunder____]

2:53:49 Is this Artosis? Lmaooooo

[@vaendryl]

> it's like chatGPT designed this map omg, if the designer heard you say that I'd feel so bad for them lol

[@GelgoogJ]

Ogre magi with bloodlust rule all.

[@NO-gc2mf]

You and your bro... thanks ;)

[@iyaerp8489]

Orcish Jira tasks XD

[@Omegaroth666]

1:30:00 I love the "Bbllaaarrrgghhhh" from the overlord in Starcraft. It's pretty fun to replicate randomly at your job.

[@ehfik]

who is the captain?

[@GeriatricSmash]

BTDP will humble you. Best to build archers and absolutely nothing else 😂

[@monolith94]

Did you ever play Alpha Centauri Sean? That game was nuts

[@monolith94]

Also known as smacabrd

[@matthewjoslin6777]

These are the most polite ogres I've ever seen

[@snuffeldjuret]

2:46:42 seriously, they should make wc4 and focus on making it cheap with wc2 style retro graphics.

[@snuffeldjuret]

I am serious. It is never going to be a money maker any way, so lets just make it cheap and earn some good will.

[@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909]

I really like the WC2 game play, but when is he gonna find the Hearthstone game?

[@AqoCyrale]

chop till you drop

[@snuffeldjuret]

wc2 graphics are so good it could be released today.

[@SPAMMAN123456789]

you guys thought infested terrans were scary, just wait till you see goblin sappers or dwarven demolish crew

[@luckyels3034]

Beyond the Dark Portal is so fucking harder as well.

[@UnheatednoProblem]

warcraft 2 still looks so good

[@sauingenieria4043]

Come back to SC2 brother. One last dance.

[@snuffeldjuret]

serious thought, why aren't there any rts with retro graphics? (retro graphics are quite popular these days) wc2 is in the fundamentals so good but much can be improved! Aught to be so much cheaper to make a 2d rts like this.

[@snuffeldjuret]

like, wc2 with good ai, formations etc. It could be so cool. I want this so bad :D. Like, lets be real, wc2 looks better than stormgate. There, I said it.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

2:00:56 I remember a match of Heroes of the Storm I played on Towers of Doom where the enemy beat us 0-40, literally a perfect game. My team was complaining about it and I said "They did us a favor, they gave us a masterclass on how to play this map, and the game saves replays so we can study it."

[@Fastwinstondoom]

You can always just run the AI out of gold after they deplete their mines, the game is fair that way. It's a slow and cheesy way to win of course xD

[@joaosergiodearaujoneto4151]

Depending on where their mine is you can also just safely camp their workers at the mine and they burn all their gold in nothing but workers never bothering to investigate why no one comes back from the mine 😂😂

[@SPAMMAN123456789]

I think the whole rant about the entertainment industry by Day9 is part of what all has happened in terms of 'was the game 8/10+'. I think the other issue is there is just a gluttony of so much entertainment to consume in general, that only the stuff that is genuinely amazing gets noticed in this saturated environment. Despite there being lots of good games, that hit niches that are untapped, but the audience just isnt that large or is hard to find. And so financially it doesnt work out. HOWEVER Ive watched enough Jim sterling to know that a lot of these layoffs are being done whilst executive bonuses and gargantuan payment to C level staff still continues also. Companies are sacrificing talent instead of the absurd pay that C level employees get, who made the bad plans for game 'design requirements' in the first place _cough cough_ micro transactions loot boxes _cough_ .... that made what could of been great games, mediocre.

[@TMullen8]

Btw the juggernauts are just slow

[@TMullen8]

I don't know who you are... But you didn't sound more natural than when you were doing the ogre impression

[@chrisschmid5212]

then they got rid of all the units and buildings and played dota instead.

[@hawks3109]

yeahh I got laid off from arkane studios :/

[@green11ndy]

iseedeadpeople

[@OMGrowe]

Since you got old