There's An Underground Pro WarCraft 2 Scene!?

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[@trololkhil9868]

Good to see some appreciation for this streamer :). He's been doing 20-50 viewers for a long time now. Hopefully more people discover this scene.

[@OpticallEffect]

I have been watching him for couple of years now. Lack of commentary is a little boring but games are good

[@macphearsome]

I love his games. The content is unending!

[@fotoz2363]

@@OpticallEffect U8 is the best, he's playing AOE1 as well. His channel on y-tube is Warcraft 2.

[@rleonekc07]

we have been playing warcraft 2 and keeping it alive for years now. i haven't seen many new players join though. my guess is the rest of us that are left are the last

[@dieandreload1782]

If you ever played WC2 you know how impressive this is from both sides. The game is not exactly modern to control.

[@kallekarjalainen9287]

I think they're not even close to top10 of WC2 players.

[@taylortetra1781]

Quotes from tasteless that everyone has already said about SC1: "I didn't know it could be played this fast!" "The maps are too big." "Isn't this just a thing that people played with for a time and then went away?" "Imagine getting beaten to death by an OGRE-GAMER!!" "How tedious."

[@debostahn]

Underrated comment

[@Mithras719]

Hah, add "how tedious".

[@taylortetra1781]

@@Mithras719 done lmao

[@fdsfds7339]

Well said

[@stevenmedge3479]

It's funny because the spawn locations appear to greatly impact the build orders. The opponent couldn't do the same DK harass that the POV player could. Even though he was losing all those ogre trades his econ was getting way ahead by killing workers. Way more interesting than I would have guessed from wc2

[@JonTietz]

It also seemed like damage was permanent? So he was constantly chipping damage into the opponents ogres with DK (I'm new this) and small harass groups keeping the opponent busy and eventually overwhelming.

[@DarkScreamGames]

@@JonTietzcorrect, there is no automatic healing. Humans get paladins who can target heal, and orcs get troll throwers who get an upgrade to gain passive health regen. Unfortunately, the heal spell is nowhere near as impactful as the bloodlust spell, hence orc v orc was the meta of the game.

[@JonTietz]

@@DarkScreamGames they could both have built Paladins then? Interesting. The enemy player should have tried to find a way to preserve that. You can really see the beginnings of Starcraft here. This stuff is super captivating.

[@JonTietz]

@@DarkScreamGames never mind, different race. :)

[@hagzomush]

The Bloodlust sound effect is incredibly nostalgic to me. It's crazy how fast the pros apply it to all their units. I remember the CPU would always auto cast on all Its units and it would take me forever as a kid

[@mickcraftgaming]

Oh right on! One of my favorite SC commentators and streamers covering one of my favorite games! Welcome to the world of Warcraft 2!

[@youaregonnalikeme3882]

You should watch this guy playing 4v4... he is dominating with every unit and strategy.. once mass ogres, once mass demolishers, once mass suicide goblins.. this guy barely loose.

[@philpie2998]

Demos are a warcraft 3 unit. You mean catapults.

[@mixedminh]

@@philpie2998 human variation of goblin sappers = demo

[@Art-uz3fk]

That eye ball spell was wild lol . I was just like "what it can do that!?". Def strong nastalga and i barely touched the game back in the day since BW and WC3 came out.

[@ajsajs7451]

the eye can be used to have ships shoot at each other if you fast enough to dodge the cannons.

[@bowserificB]

I love all the sounds from this game. So much nostalgia.

[@Humstuck]

that was fun. pretty sure he won solely on the back of his death knight attacks on the peons.

[@flamerollerx01]

He was worker harassing and his enemy was not.

[@Ziegfried82]

I used to do Kali tournaments in War2. There was a competitive scene way back in the day, I'm glad to see one still exists!! I've always favored Warcraft RTS over Starcraft...but that's because I'm not as good at the macro game. Early SC2 was a blast for me because I was just rushing nonstop microing the cheese units like reapers, void rays, roaches etc. as random. In the Warcraft RTS the macro is a lot smaller, less workers less bases.

[@DanielMoore3d]

Its been forever since i've heard Kali. Now memories come flooding back. Used to play war2 on there religiously, just forgot the name of the program.

[@Olagfigh]

@@DanielMoore3d Yea, it's been forever since Kali and... can you explain me please who is "Kali"? :D 20 years ago I had an old CD with "Kali Puds" map package for Warcraft 2 and that's all I know about Kali.

[@Lighthammer18]

That's very true. I recently saw Grubby playing WC3 and I never knew how micro intensive the game is compared to SC. Makes it a lot more fun to watch imo.

[@u8t3io3p]

Hey, thanks 😊, if someone is looking for some gameplay from multiplayer/mods for warcraft 1/2 you can find them on my channel, also you can play with us! edit 2: I get banned at twitch, so if you want watch w2 only at youtube

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

Knew it was your stream Post this shit for the guys

[@LeonRedfields]

I think at the end he was broke and lost all of his army, then had his last workers killed by the deathknight.

[@enriconolasco8124]

love that tasteless is covering this! I got into wc2 for a while, and it's a pretty cool scene. Do you Populous the Beginning, tasteless?

[@daftwulli6145]

I have the firm believe that ideas that sounded good but turned out to be horrible (like tasteless using sappers to try to kill goldmines) teach you more about the game then things that worked out. A success just confirms what you already knew, but a horrible idea can teach you a better understanding of why some ideas won´t work and a deeper understanding of the units you used and failed with and how not to use them and why.

[@Healcannon]

I did have a bit of a binge on that warcraft 2 channel but the lack of talking and people usually only going Orc kinda pulled me out of it. But it was still awesome to see what level it reached. Makes you wonder what would have happened if it got big.

[@TommyLikeTom]

I love how the lumber mill is a giant tree trunk even though there are no giant trees around

[@djayraiden]

So glad to see him getting recognition! I've been watching him for a long time and the nostalgia is appreciated!

[@gamidragon]

YOOO u8 featured on Tasteless' channel?! AWESOME

[@5dollarshake263]

"Work work" "jobs done" "yes mee lawd" "FOR THE KINGGGGG"

[@jamesdeppeler793]

We used to get LAN games of this going in computer class when we were supposed to be working on something else. There was essentially no protection from kids just installing whatever they wanted on the school computers, and 1 CD was enough for 8 people to play

[@svn5510]

Type “disco” in game to hear amazing music in Warcraft 2. I spend so many hours playing this game with my friend in middle school. Amazing times Our hero in this match was floating thousands of gold. They prolly shoulda built some additional production buildings to crank out more ogres. But attacking the enemy economy was too powerful as it is. Also haste on your own peons was incredible 😂

[@Footsoldier1234]

The original War2 website from the 90s is still up and active, and includes descriptions of units, spells, and strategies to deal, with each m/u.

[@zyst6]

That was crazy. The guys move so fast, and everything dies so quickly.

[@Ziegfried82]

Fastest on War2 was absurd. But it was the speed of choice on Kali or whatever internet competition platform you were playing on due to how slow the early game was.

[@lilh0e]

This is even faster, Fastest is "hungry hungry hippo" warp speed, popular on custom maps@@Ziegfried82

[@191natedog]

WC2 was the first game i played online when we got internet. I was litterally shaking excited when going onlines for the first time. 23 years later and im still addicted to vids.

[@junkequation]

Warcraft 2 came out when I was in middle school. I started out playing war craft 1 competitively with a friend from school over our modem connections. When wc2 came out, there was still no battle net, but I talked my mom into getting something called Kali for me. It was $10/month. You could connect to it, and it was a chatroom where you could connect with people all over and play wc2 over the internet. Low resources was what "good" people played on. I still remember the build order: farm, farm, farm, barracks, farm, Smith, farm, barracks. Then you sent your grunts out to kick the other guys ass. Smith upgrades were super fast. They'd finish in close to the same amount of time it took to make a grunt, so you had to get those upgrades going. Expanding, especially more than once, was some super advanced stuff. Workers are just so vulnerable in that game. You can stick like 30 peons in a goldmine, and they'll all mine efficiently, but one catapult shot, death and decay, or even a bloodlusted ogre near your gold mine, and you'd be screwed in a couple seconds.

[@junkequation]

Oh yea, and there was a ladder. It was manually up kept on separate websites. You joined one of the big 2 leagues and manually reported your wins and losses to a website, lol.

[@jbca]

Love to see it here! The Warcraft 2 community has custom servers and client mods, it’s doing alright for such an old game!

[@goodsport168m]

Appreciate the 3rd strike music at the ending there

[@cameleyez]

Used to love this game and been wanting to play it again for the longest.

[@flammie80]

I still remember the only pvp wc2 match i ever played back in high school. It was an island map and even though we both had 4 pirate ships, my friend manually targeted one of my pirate ships while i let my ships auto target. That was the beginning of the end. He later ice storm dropped one of my mining bases. Needless to say i lost.

[@DAwdar]

You guys should play warcraft 1, with mouse mod. Havent played it multiplayer yet but story mode i enjoyed far more than warcraft 2s. Wc1 have more delicate economy och micro (the capapult lol). WC: Orcs and Humans is the brood war of the warcraft rts series! havent heard of an underground scene though, maybe i should start one myself....

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I really love WarCraft 1, glad someone agrees with me that the original is akin to Brood war in a lot ways. The art style was cooler too.

[@DAwdar]

Yes! those donut huts! its darker and grittier@@KaiserMattTygore927

[@dangerfield6855]

Used to love this game as a teen. I'VE GOT A FLYING MACHINE!

[@vexienroe]

The sound effects where so fucking good in this game

[@juzzam3]

I use to play competitive war2 back in the day on Kali

[@KevinCarlino]

This was a lot of fun to watch, would love to see more War2 content... even general retro RTS... Command & Conquer... Shattered Galaxy...

[@ghoulbby]

Hey, that's neat. War2ru is a great little server and I appreciate all the work they'd put into it. Sadly, unless you're in EU your ping will be too high to be competitive whatsoever. ** One thing I never see ANYONE mention is AOL Engage. Real OGs remember the WarCraft 2 forums on there. I remember when the Warchief of Splintered Orcs Clan (SoC) first started the clan and he was something like 15 years old. God damn time flies.

[@stormconstantine2391]

Thanks for bringing us this content, makes me want to try it again

[@gunfolder]

this rules. brought back a very specific memory from when i was playing this heavily around...12? 13? years old playing on bnet grinding the ladder with the freaks that played back then. always checked in and saw the game being kept alive thru russian servers n such. i'm in a discord thats still super active for it and regularly holds tournaments for like $100. would love for you to cast more haha

[@ToDGaming]

how about the WarCraft III scene, OH Mighty Tasles

[@lukeknopp4267]

funny to see a younger streamer come in and rediscover a game i played as a kid

[@booman3138]

This is a blast from the past!

[@Big-E-TheBouncer]

i enjoyed this, thank you for the change of pace.

[@BryanColterAstrology]

more war2 content plz!

[@TheMightyBill]

No rally points was so awkward. Units produce in bottom left tile of a building so the bottom right guy could make catapults pop out in base. Pathing was terrible too, you couldn't just send something *somewhere* on the map, you had to babysit + follow it every few seconds or it would get stuck. Don't think human was viable in competitive because bloodlust being so insane (double damage).

[@VerninTheRat]

Definitely one of my favorite worker voiceovers. along with the GLA worker from C&C Generals. lol, if you know - you know. (That poor restless soul) edit: for those curious, here is the GLA worker's voiceover: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2XZep-Cn5Kbn9k - I suggest going to a minute and 20 seconds in exactly, as that's where it gets to where you just feel sorry for the guy. :( Just get em' some shoes, Boss! Who knows? Maybe he gets those slippers after all...

[@jw8697]

Man WC2..... best sound track of its time ( pretty sure it came out just before command and conquer )... stick thrower troll is my favourite unit haha

[@Circumnavigate]

That was a masterpiece. Thanks for finding this

[@adammatis5527]

I think i still have my copy of the original disc somewhere.

[@FewGoodTaters]

wc2 ogres had big Tastosis energy

[@Olagfigh]

WC2 Ogres with Bloodlust feel same anger as Artosis when he plays vs Protoss :D

[@iamLI3]

what's even more underground is the pro cossacks back to war scene which consists of me and like a dozen other active players among which i am the best T^T ......

[@tremolo6940]

Lmao I still remember how mind blowing it was to learn about hotkeys in starcract

[@petercrockford936]

"I don't know what state WC3 is in. It's pretty bad at the highest level. UD just wins everything with endless waves of frenzied ghouls and destroyers, and there is no truly effective counter for it."

[@X3MgamePlays]

Awesome seeing you play Warcraft 2. The single player campaign still feels very original. Given it any thought?

[@rylandorr]

That wasnt him playing. Did you even watch the video?

[@X3MgamePlays]

@@rylandorr i had it on mute due to work and extensive commenting.

[@X3MgamePlays]

@@rylandorr I stand corrected. He was only watching indeed. Well then, to, let's hope he starts playing a bit :)

[@patrickvasconcelos3001]

There are many games that the competitive goes strong ( red alert 2, lord of rings, Cossack 2, planetary annihilation ( and kingdoms too! ) despite the main producer either abandoned or died. I just hope some games could get similar love and passion, there alot of still great Rts that could revived with our current level of rts understanding.

[@BiberandDolik]

Yeah this guy is amazing!!! People also doing challenge runs with Wc2 like deathless, or just grunts (Admiral Iddy on YT) Tasteless should play Wc2 competitively :D

[@philpie2998]

Personally, i think Archers only might have been more difficult than foots only. Foots and grunts only felt easy. When you get to beyond the dark portal, you really gotta out micro balistas and ogres using archers and cannons are tough too. With foots, ogres and cats are both manageable. Cannons are tough, but they're not much easier with archers. Dragons just die into towers mostly anyway.

[@BiberandDolik]

@@philpie2998 Tbh, these dont seem hard when you can just macro and send a few control groups worth. Its only difficult to manage landings when you are attacked from all sides...Deathless however is completely different beast and requires PHD

[@philpie2998]

You can't just macro in war2 BTDP campaign. They don't give you nearly enough gold at starting locations. Most of the BTDP campaigns have missions where early game rushes with heavy micro are pretty critical to getting the resources you need to macro. It is not uncommon to run out of resources at your starting base before you have an altar of storms and 10 ogres. Have you done this challenge?

[@zoa1064]

Nostalgia so hard.. used to spend my dads money on AOL paying like 10$ an hour or something to play that online lol - that game is still so sick

[@SawyerKnight]

now THIS is Real Time Strategy!

[@ja1369]

I thought you needed a barracks before a blacksmith but i havent played it in a long time

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

That wall at 4 is so bad you can actually just break it with a rush it's awsome to do lol

[@yamchadragonball6983]

I would love to see some AoE1+2 games. TheViper and Daut are particularly famous. There's also a scene for the original CNC games. Tiberium wars (CNC 3) was also played last i checked.

[@fotoz2363]

U8 (the guy that played in this video) is also playing AOE1, check out his channel: Warcraft 2

[@sebytro]

I really wish that World of Warcarft had buildings like in War2. And more evil sounding characters. And more War2-ish. And also War1-ish. Swobu.

[@Tclans]

LoreCraft Designs here on YT are working or a full remake of WarII on the WarIII engine, which is really close to the first public release.

[@gumpa1747]

The problem with WC2 competitive is that it's a 1 race meta because bloodlust makes Ogres OP over Knights

[@Ziegfried82]

On fastest game speed that is indeed the case.

[@ajsajs7451]

at the pro level not really, humans can abuse the invisbility with mages

[@Footsoldier1234]

I ain't messing with no pro Warcraft 2 player, especially if he's human and spamming all those heal spells. To quote Braveheart, "Test of manhood. You win."

[@Hazling-nq6p]

That was surprisingly sick 😅

[@lukex1337]

Warcraft 2 multiplayer is way more fun to watch than WC3.

[@Kingdemonpigfromhell]

I do watch some competitive warcraft2 on youtube every now and then. Though when it comes to watching RTS for me it's Broodwar>AoE2>Wc3>Wc2=Sc2. The human games I've seen they skip the Paladin upgrade, and whenever they see bloodlusted ogres they just pull away with their knights. I think reason humans get played at all is because using Invisibility instead of Haste is better for those spellcaster harrases, but I'm not sure.

[@Ardunafeth]

Wow. Exact same order for me...

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

It's disrespect Humans are.bad no lust So if unwin it's lol @u Or just the challenge of it

[@benismann]

invis is wild for harass, as far as i saw

[@szzk7937]

It's all ogre bloodlust and thats all.

[@Ziegfried82]

Deathknights/Mages are huge in WC2 actually. Ogre bloodlust is countered by slow if the game speed isn't running on fastest.

[@DarkScreamGames]

neat blast from the past

[@Odinoian]

Interesting. Much more clunky but fluid all at the same time. Perhaps not so buggy unit routing? I'd love to see more of this!

[@blazewarTV]

This Is not a cast. Starts to cast

[@luckyluc9972]

How come you didn't let us see the score screen?

[@d07RiV]

Im guessing catapult shots are too easy to dodge? I only played vs AI and definitely remember that mass catapults would crush any army once they reached a criticall mass (like 18). Or maybe they'd die to a single DnD?

[@Raii_Chu]

ready to work ⛏ zug zug

[@karpai5427]

I think allowing workers to mine on rally point would not be a detriment for Starcraft Broodwar. I wonder why nintendo 64 version is the only one that has that.

[@kgb2753]

What about competitive Warcraft 1? I literally have never found a video of that

[@thesilentmajority2765]

omg plz cast more wc

[@Scrubwave]

Wait til he finds out that there's still thousands of people playing Heroes of Might & Magic 3.

[@itranscendencei7964]

We are a dying breed, but we are still around. :)

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

Sounds off

[@vodkagobalsky]

I don't know how high level this is, these guys are floating so much money and didn't even make walled in towers. They also don't seem to be playing all that fast.

[@xenniealsentinel1800]

I think it was u8 ie utopia He pretty good Only constant stream these days

[@Gandydast]

check some ffa, 4x4 and tower rushes, its really insane for newcomers

[@rickloose1591]

Sign me up this was cool

[@MykolCarlos]

I want to buy a laptop or a pc to play these games again. Warcraft 1-2 and StarCraft 1-2

[@justinedc1077]

Warcraft 2!!! Ah yes! The epic and true Warcrafts 1-3

[@Alianger]

Humans are viable at 400+ APM or on island maps

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Love the voices.

[@disafear3674]

My childhood!!

[@philpie2998]

Tasteless literally has no idea how to play War2 and it's hilarious. "Is that a second barracks?" "were there hotkeys?" (me screaming "bro! Multicasting!") "I think our boy is losing" (after killing 45 peons) "I thought he was losing that but I guess not"

[@Shimamon27]

Of course the map is big, usually it's a 4v4 map!

[@oleglarshin2186]

Yea man, more WC2 streams please.

[@LittleMikeStarCraft]

we play red alert competativley aswell;

[@bbsonjohn]

Imagine being a sweaty WC2 player

[@fotoz2363]

Warcraft 2 is the coolest, have been watching u8 on y-tube a long time, his channel's name is Warcraft 2.

[@mir3877]

So the ogres are completely naked with some backpack on the back?

[@shane87smith]

Haha when did w2 have a remaster?

[@Uziasz]

wc2 has a very small scene and that guy u've watched is probably currently so far ahead compared to others like flash was back in the day in broodwar, altho overall if true pro gamers would start playing wc2 they would be still miles ahead. Problem with wc2 is that its extremly unbalanced, only 2 races but most of the time its just orcs that are played because of bloodlust, even the similar units with exactly the same stats are not balanced, orc catapults got much better animation than human to the point that u can click too fast u can cancel its animation making it unable to move and being an easy target by enemy catapults, that doesnt apply to orc catas.

[@starkid9736]

make it so glittering prices ......great days😅

[@vanjadezelic732]

yeah, tried that w2 online few yrs ago but speed is boosted way tooo much so it is unplayable for casual players. and you have to choose orcs because it is too hard to win early game without grunts.

[@Gainward123456]

Get a pro aoe2 game and cast it, please! That would be amazing! Combined with random history bullshit facts. :D

[@Ziegfried82]

I was a beast at AoE2 back in the day. Nowadays there are players way better than me lol.

[@hansonlee5847]

For those wondering, WC2 bloodlust increases damage only. Haste increases attack and move speed

[@Olagfigh]

Yep, WC2 bloodlust increases damage only and randomly. That should be fixed by the way

[@ed_gorod]

@@Olagfigh its not random its x2 increase

[@nHautamaki]

@@Olagfigh Is it random? I thought it doubled both your normal and piercing damage. Since Ogres have, iirc, 8 normal and 8 piercing damage, and have 8 armour which only reduces normal damage, it meant ogres would do 4-8 damage against other ogres/knights, but when that's doubled to 16/16, still with only 8 normal damage reduced, they are now doing 12-24 damage, effectively triple damage even though the spell on paper is only supposed to double it. I believe this was unintended, resulting in bloodlust being by far the most broken spell in the game, ridiculously more powerful than the paladin's healing ability which only recovered 1 hp per 6 mana iirc, meaning even a full 255 mana paladin can't even fully heal their 90 hp, while a bloodlusted ogre goes from needing on average 15 hits to kill an equal knight/ogre to just 5. Or 9, if a full mana perfectly timed heal goes off. Meanwhile paladin still needs 15 hits to kill that ogre. IOW even if you trained openAI to play War2 perfectly with infinite APM and start every fight with full mana, Paladins would still get massacred by any decent player just using bloodlust on their ogres before a fight. RIP humans.

[@Ziegfried82]

On fastest game speed orcs were borderline unbeatable due to those ogre mages. On slow or normal speed though humans can react with mages and slow spell. On fastest a human player is forced to try to draw out bloodlusts to waste mana and run..or kill the orc player before they can get to ogre magi.

[@X3MgamePlays]

Wow, people still discussing the mechanics of WC2.... Combat mechanic is not explained correct on the internet. You have basic and piercing damage. Basic can be reduced by the enemies armor, even to 0. The left over is added to the piercing and divided by 2. Rounded upwards. This is the minimum damage. Double this for the maximum damage. The game takes a random number in between with a lot of numbers behind the decimal. Either way, it is rounded again for the actual damage in 1 hit. This means that the minimal AND maximum damage happens 0.5 times. While the rest weights 1. The average damage is 1.5 times that of the rounded minimal damage. Example: Grunt does 6 basic and 3 piercing damage according to the game. Against a knight with 4 armor, this gives 2+3=5 5/2=2.5, rounded upwards gives 3. The damage goes from 3 to 6. The die that you roll actually looks like: 344556. On average, this grunt does 4.5 damage against a knight. And needs 20 hits. Troll does 6 piercing and 3 basic. And results in the exact same damage against the knight. Upgrades?? Melee gets +2 basic damage per upgrade. Ranged gets +1 piercing damage per upgrade. The archer also can get another +3 piercing damage. Bloodlust doubles all damages. Then you still need to subtract armor. Haste increases movement speed to 13. Haste only increases the attack speed for the dragon/gryphon. And chopping wood.