DB2024 - MTG Corrections: Um, Magically

[@Duckace]

Thank you for playing my very silly game! I had this idea during Dawn Guard of the same day. The spelling and grammar mistakes are just from this game coming together in such a short amount of time. I'm just glad that you all had fun!

[@lancetruesdell7093]

Thank you for providing it, Um Actually is a favorite of mine!

[@magicthecasual9747]

I quite like that you used the wrong which. I have never seen someone use the wrong which and this brought me much joy. Thank you for putting this together!

[@flaetsbnort]

Great job! I bet that you, like me, were frustrated be seeing the actual Dropout segments where people didn't know a lot about Magic XD But er, next time ask someone to proofread your questions?

[@michaelturner2806]

@@Duckace My friends and I also like Um Actually and this reminds me of when I put together something for them. Hoo boy is it a lot of work to find things that are tricky enough but not so pendantic as to be mean. Good job, thanks! Spelling and grammar do bother me but I have no right to complain, it's casual communication and expression not a high paying job.

[@blu6295]

also, doesnt quastion 4 have 2 answers, since chandra plus two other plainswalker were there, and then chandra used ugins ghostfire, and then it was eldrazi time(bay-bee!)?

[@Tweygoh]

I like the shiny question reference and the bird question

[@emilysmith2965]

BIRD FACTS Though notably Brennan Lee Mulligan has a favorite bird family and that is Corvidae (crows, ravens, magpies and jays belonging to this family). But he seems to generally love facts, period, so it’s not strictly inaccurate to say “Brennan loves bird facts” but he has gone on record to say it annoys him.

[@sittacarolinensis8448]

That foil question about bird names was tailor made for me, I have a Wingspan themed deck with a stipulation that I need to use every bird card with a real bird's name in it so I've been scouring Scryfall for years looking at all of these cards.

[@coltsfan354]

Question 3 has an additional answer. With cards like Animate Dead, it's not necessarily changed to be more legible to players, although that's a benefit. Often those types of changes are made because they use outdated terminology or the formatting of the card is outdated.

[@CrossXhunteR]

I thought the answer to question 3 was going to be that Mill and Surveil are keyword actions, not keywords, but "when certain abilities are keyworded" kinda has some wiggle room in there to what it is actually saying.

[@TheGolux]

the fact that the errata'd text of animate dead is LONGER than the original text is the more clear violation

[@ericleiva]

In Animate Dead's case the errata is there so that the text of the card complies with the rules as currently written.

[@TheGolux]

@@ericleiva yeah I get that, just noting that the question said to make it shorter but it's longer

[@KomradeKrisis1701]

3:39 interestingly enough, the text on loxodon warhammer actually *did* get changed from "when this creature deals damage, gain that much life" into lifelink, despite the fact that they *are* mechanically different!

[@underFlorence]

Well, the thing is that at the time it was introduced, lifelink WAS mechanically the same as "when this creature deals damage, you gain that much life"! You can see that in the reminder text for early lifelink cards like Daybreak Coronet or Mistmeadow Skulk! It wasn't until later (M10 I think?) that lifelink was changed to be simultaneous. So changing "when this creature deals damage, you gain that much life" was not a mechanical change, but changing lifelink behind-the-scenes WAS a mechanical change for all lifelink cards!

[@IAmOnFyre]

the card from 9th edition in question 7 is Warrior's Honor. Warrior's Oath is from Portal Three Kingdoms

[@MegaMechafox]

Um, Magically, Question 7 specifies M14 was the last time in a main set. Secret Lairs do not count as main sets, my evidence being that in the list of the quotes it lists a 2020 secret lair.

[@SadPandaFace]

Um, Magically, the last time a card with real-world flavor text released in a main set was the Dracula showcase of Edgar, Charmed Groom (Dracula the Voyager) with the text: "It is in the hold, perhaps in one of those boxes. I’ll unscrew them one by one and see. You work the helm.”

[@JonaxII]

Lifelink, when it was introduced in the time spiral block, initially actually worked like that, so all cards with the text got oracle updates to lifelink. These updates were later removed when in Magic 2010 the combat damage step got reworked and Lifelink got changed from a trigger to how it works now. This got us into the awkward situation where any of those cards reprinted in the meantime had actually been printed with lifelink, which with the lifelink update turned into functional errata. Luckily, "all those cards" only hit Loxodon Warhammer.

[@JalebJay]

These questions were so much easier than what Dropout releases. Got most of them immediately. Would love to see more of these.

[@DelphinusZero]

Is it bad that they mentioned a Sheldon secret lair and I was like, when did Young Sheldon get a secret lair?

[@Chewy-Pudding]

For question 4 I'm pretty sure the Eldrazi were released by Chandra casting Ugin's ghostfire and not Nissa.

[@MegaMechafox]

I thought it as well and looked it up, Chandra's ghostfire apparently weakened the seal. Sorin came to Zendikar and enlisted Nissa when Nahiri and Ugin didn't show up. Nissa opted to smash the hedron thinking the Eldrazi would retreat. Sorin basically went, 'you idiot' and noped out, which is why he didn't come to help Nahiri later.

[@Cosmicevergreen]

Chandra unlocks the eye of Ugin and the spawn break out but Nissa destroys the main hedron releasing the titans proper.

[@twarnold14]

⁠@@MegaMechafox The weakening of the seal and then Nissa actually releasing them was my memory of it too. It’s worth nothing that Sorin did not help Nahiri with the eldrazi for different reasons. When some leaked out many centuries before, Nahiri stopped them alone. Ugin was dead/in a cocoon, and Sorin had tuckered himself out after creating Avacyn and the Helvault (which together also put up a barrier around Innistrad such that her call for help was dampened or blocked). Nahiri came to yell at Sorin about that, so he imprisoned her in the Helvault (like a jerk). When she was freed finally, Nahiri saw that eldrazi were fully unleashed by Nissa. Instead of helping the Gatewatch save her plane, Nahiri went to Innistrad and created cryptoliths to draw Emrakul there so Sorin would lose his home too (like a jerk). So the 1st time he could have helped, it was before Nissa fully unleashed them and he was recovering. And the second time Nahiri didn’t bother helping either.

[@JivanPal]

My recollection was it was due to Chandra's ghostfire during a battle between her and Jace.

[@JackTheRipper4ever]

​@twarnold14 Slight correction, Nahiri came to yell at him, and when he snapped back, she attacked him and tried to threaten him and potentially his home to make him come with her. THEN he imprisoned her. Further note, the eldrazi were not an immediate concern at the time of the fight. However, once they were immediately came to fix things, which Nissa ruined (like a jerk), THEN he sought out Ugin (living time-line) who refused to let him help without Nahiri (Like a jerk).

[@diestormlie]

Damn- I was all ready to Umm, Magically that it was Throne*s* of Eldraine. *Comedy Buzzer Sound*

[@tweekida]

With Claire D'Loon, token creatures actually can end up in your deck!

[@magicthecasual9747]

Yet another case of Loon in a creature's name!

[@Melissanoma]

Um, actually question 3 was wrong. When lifelink was first keyworded, it was still a triggered ability. All cards with the "spirit link ability" were given lifelink. Then they changed lifelink to happen simultaneous with damage and every card that was shortened to lifelink was then unshortened back to its original form. The only exception was Loxodon Warhammer, which was reprinted in 10th edition in the middle. The policy is to not un-errata cards that were printed with updated text.

[@RobkeeRobkee]

thank you i knew they got it wrong with lifelink and i love the historical context

[@PVDH_magic]

Also, on question 3, the errata on Animate Dead actually makes the wording longer; so it's not shortened.

[@TheDuckOfManyThings]

Um actually, the eldrazi did escape once before Nissa released them. Nahiri was tasked with watching over them, and the three planeswalkers made a pact that if they ever broke free, Nahiri could call the other two and they would come to help. They broke out and she called for help, but neither showed. She put them back herself and went to confront Sorin, and he stuck her in the Helvault. I think.

[@hewhogoesbymanynames]

Alternative for 1: Magic has at least 2 multiverses, one for unsets and one regular.

[@eirh]

Uhm actually the Lifepoint question did not specify the game mode played. For example two headed giant starts at 30 life. Cycling 2 street wraiths does rule out singleton formats though.

[@firstlast446]

noted main set sheldon's secret lair

[@tipulsar85]

So funstory bit on the release of the Eldrazi. Nissa did not release them. That honor does goes to a Jace helped Chandra both of whom were were battling a not quite all there Sarkhan in the Eye of Ugin. This info comes from the webcomic that Magic had in 2008-2012. Nissa did unintentionally worsen the situation by attacking Sorin who was trying to rebind Eldrazi.

[@Mordalon]

Nissa did attack the main hedron, which is why Sorin fled after the release of the titans.

[@tipulsar85]

In Nissa's Defense, she had just returned from her first tour of the multiverse after ignighting, due to the local Makindi variant of vampires nearly killing her and her branch of the Joraga tribe of elves.

[@riluna3695]

I'm long removed from the game, so I had no shot on the lifepoint question, but it was fun to pause and go through Gatherer to solve it like a puzzle. Though it was a bit simpler than I expected it to be :P Likely because it was designed to be done in your head, and most of the challenge was even knowing those cards in the first place.

[@DragoonZell]

wait a second for question 4 didn't the eldrazi get released because Chandra used Ghost Fire in the area because Jace asked her to "concentrate" (something she vows to never do again) XD lol.

[@BasicandBizarre]

5:30 I literally only knew this answer because someone asked it of MaRo earlier today on Tumblr, lol

[@StabbySideways]

The irony of Duck Ace challenging people to spell words.

[@pieapplebomb]

This is crazy coincidental for me personally because I only just started watching the real Um Actually show earlier this week.

[@veronicavanvoorst]

On Question 4, I think it was Chandra who released them, not Nissa? Jace was there, but Chandra unleashed the ghostfire that unleashed the Eldrazi.

[@janmelantu7490]

Jace and Chandra loosened the Eldrazi’s containment, prompting Sorin to go look for a planeswalker to help him close it. He found Nissa, but she fully released the titans, hoping they would leave Zendikar

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

10:33 before moving on i am 90% sure the fastest ban was that living weapon from mh3 which was banned in pauper before the set released.

[@micboyyaboy2578]

EDIT: I posted this seconds before I watched them say my exact comment. Sorry to whomever sees this. 3:30, yes, that's not exactly lifelink, but I feel it egregious that animate dead was considered as an example of "shortened and easier to read," as it's one of the more wordy ones.

[@TabbyLavalamp]

They forgot Will Osprey from MTG x AEW.

[@gabrielgriffith7477]

The Nahiri thing does seem a little pedantic, however it is notably different. Geomancers can control "earth", as opposed lithomancers can control specifically stones/rocks.

[@twarnold14]

I also remember when her name was finally revealed. There was a time where it was Sorin, the spirit dragon Ugin, and an unnamed lithomancer. (This was also before Ugin had a card. Can’t believe it’s been 10 years since the rest of that trio was realized.) That’s why her first card has that moniker so players could make that connection of who this is. So I feel like it’s the right level of pedantic.

[@gabrielgriffith7477]

@twarnold14 Honestly fair. I do feel it is a relatively small detail from lore 10-ish years ago, which is why I said it is pedantic.

[@ericwong1265]

Being pedantic, it's Ravnica: City of Guilds, not Ravnica City of Guilds for question 1. I think this used to be relevant because it gave the set the longest set name, before Dungeons & Dragons: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms released

[@Franciscomeirajr]

Magic: the Gathering - Dungeon and Dragons: Adventure in the Forgotten Realms

[@XenithShadow]

Um magically Question 7 nissa super didnt free the eldrazi, technically chandra freed them cast ugin ghost fire at jace or sarkhan vol while the one she didnt target was also present. Nahri might also have been a lithomancer but the complete failure on who freed the eldrazi seems like a more relavent error.

[@Moonwizard420]

I thought CanLander didn't have a banlist?

[@jarzz3601]

um actually the question says the last in a main set secret layers aren't main sets

[@coltsfan354]

Tromokratis is a little too easy. How about Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar?

[@TheRealWormbo]

That'd be a challenge just to read out.

[@DFGdanger]

Why would that be hard? There's a ruling on Gatherer that says it's pronounced just liked it's spelled :)

[@coltsfan354]

@@DFGdanger 1. It does the regular problem people have with spelling questions where they get lost. 2. People often swap out different vowels.

[@Bleesotron]

Other fun words to spell on Magic cards: Phthisis (pronounces tie-sis) Chupacabra Zzzyxas Asmoran...you know what, they all probably know that one.

[@magicthecasual9747]

i have always pronounced (and will continue to) Phtisis as F-θ-sis

[@TheOnlyOrk]

for q4 umm actually, Sorin didn't help creating the hedrons.

[@gabrielgriffith7477]

While that is true, him being there was important for the sealing technically because Ugin set it such that they could only be sealed or released with the presence of 3 plansewalkers.

[@famousstranger8468]

Question 3 wasn't even a question

[@twarnold14]

That’s how Umm Actually works. They give a statement and then the players point out what’s wrong with it. None of the non-foil questions are actual questions.

[@michaelturner2806]

I would have a field day buzzing in a dozen times just pointing out spelling and grammar mistakes just from the first question alone.

[@TheRealWormbo]

Dyslexia is a thing, and Duckace is known to be challenged by spelling things out the way you are supposed to do it. Give them a break for producing a lot of text for this challenge anyway.

[@flaetsbnort]

@@TheRealWormbo Yeah, but if something like this fell on top of me I'd have it proofread in no time. It's hard to believe that someone this nerdy doesn't have a friend that can do that

[@michaelturner2806]

@@TheRealWormbo You're right, I've got limitations myself. Part of me wonders if someone running behind the scenes at LRR couldn't have made a quick pass at it first before it was presented. Someone had to have done enough work to integrate it into their display, right? But also they've got enough going on, it's inconsiderate to demand even more work for something they're not only not getting paid for but putting a lot of effort and time commitment in just to benefit someone else.