Apple's New Training Load Explained: Tested for 30 Days (WatchOS 11)

[@madmalkav6540]

I totally expected you to get a little wasted one night to show us the effect on Vitals 😂

[@timwildauer5063]

You’re hands down the best reviewer for all of apples fitness features. Thanks for all you do!

[@BleakVision]

Garmin will be having a really hard time now, fencing off Training Load from their entrance level devices and even the Venu series. Competition is good!

[@cappaculla]

As Garmin user Apples one day battery life is very enticing to me, seriously tempted.

[@z3ro7o]

@@cappaculla i get 3 days? bet you never had one. i read that online LOL... and garmin is not competition for apple, one is a smart watch other a sport/fitness watch

[@w2cz7CLd]

​@@z3ro7o I have owned Apple Watches in the past; never had one last longer than a day. The battery would not even last longer than 3 hours during a long run; I had to switch to Garmin for them.

[@Bakuran1987]

I doubt garmin is ever going sweat and worry about trying to compete with apple. You are comparing apples and oranges. Apple watch is a smart watch that mimics having a mini version of a phone, while garmin is a sport focused watch that prioritizes data metrics and how to improve without downloading any third-party apps.

[@robbybobbyhobbies]

@@Bakuran1987anecdote alert - ten+ years a Garmin user (and still use my 1030), but the watches are dead to me since I'm not _just_ interested in sporty sportiness. The Apple watch does 80% of the sport stuff my Fenix could do and 100% of the stuff I want to do that the Fenix can't even do with apps. Unless Garmin pivots and joins an ecosystem, their watches will eventually be the biggest fish in the tiniest niche sea. If their business model can cope with that, then cool. They also have to keep looking over their shoulder as existing and potential competitors tread on their specialized territory (what would happen if DJI, say, decided to move into this arena?)

[@mlaw1983]

This new apple effort score reminds me of the effort rating that Strava uses, Where you can categorize your recorded workout from easy to hard.

[@RUCam08]

I wish I could care as little as you do about scratches on my devices.

[@CraigEggleton]

I’ve been on the beta and have to say I’m impressed with their first attempt at training load. Agree if they implement your suggestions it will make this even better. Busy week??? Oh boy we must have some cool releases coming😂!!

[@bigrayq1]

Will the Watch read my Strava workouts and factor my training load? Or will it only read workouts initiated through apple workouts app??????

[@donwooss]

Gps tracking for cross country skiing would be nice, it’s ridiculous that it isn’t implemented already.

[@Thomlabe]

Totally agree. I’ve used Strava to get that in the Apple Watch though. Works ok.

[@bjrc]

Bro has _used_ his Apple Watch. Those scratches are incredible 😅

[@CinnabonMcTasty]

Makes it look pretty sick honestly, but I cry when I tap mine against a wood door frame.

[@MonchiDiaz11]

This is great to see. I just switched from an Apple Watch to Garmin watch. I recently bought a Garmin cycling computer and I wanted to be able to track all of my activities into 1 Ecosystem. Recording with both the Apple watch to get health data + the Garmin to get more specific training data was a total pain. Happy to see all of the new Apple features are already on my Garmin 😅

[@sxhrgvs]

Would love to see fenix 8 vs awu. Some of these Apple updates are making the competition closer.

[@Menudaesmiberza]

6:34 Please Apple take some notes ! 🙏🏼

[@Menudaesmiberza]

Since we're at it, I would also love to see a strength training mode where you can indicate your work and rest time, as well as automatic recognition of the number of repetitions, such as push-ups, like Garmin.

[@WorstSanta]

If there were any real cyclists at Apple, they would never do a workout UI like the one they created. It’s garbage.

[@Metalmachine18]

Been running these since the Betas came out. Good first steps, but still too basic to be particularly useful!

[@RichardsWorld]

Hopefully you can do a sleep apnea test with the new Samsung Watch and show us a demo.

[@mosijahi3096]

Apple Watches aren’t just sports watches,they do more than just that, so they aren’t perfect for sports. They are good enough for some buyers.

[@SonnyDarvish]

The ecosystem competition, not just a single device. It was harder to switch away from Garmin, but it's getting more exciting.

[@marc70.3]

Long time Garmin fan that just can’t ignore the smartwatch features from Apple any longer. Purchased an Ultra 2 in February, and I’ve gone back-and-forth between that and Epix 2 Pro, about 3-4x. Apple smartwatch features are amazing and having a cellular device on my wrist has been freeing for runs & hikes. But oh how I do miss the fitness data. Have been using Athlytic app as a workaround. Really hoping that Apple listens to this feedback from Ray.

[@marc70.3]

To your point @Sonny, the switch was not just watch, but bike computer, chest HRM, scale, and yes, even Golf sensors.

[@iMaxPatten]

@@marc70.3How’s the mapping story compared to the topo you get on a Fenix or Epix?

[@CinnabonMcTasty]

The easiest switch for me from Garmin is going completely phoneless on my workouts. Watch Ultra + Cell = GOAT. I've easily gotten used to not having some of the deeper features Garmin has.

[@notyouraveragevegan2677]

@@CinnabonMcTastysame, I let go of the packaging of the numbers for the freedom to not carry my phone . All the data is there it’s just not interpreted like Garmin does.

[@alexcordero6672]

Good material! Question: how are you messing with the watch without it prompting you for a password? I have to either put it on my hand, my wrist, or some part of my body. If I try to manipulate anything sitting on a table like you have it, it'll prompt me for my key code.

[@dominicsimmons]

Question: does training load take into account activities recorded not using an Apple Watch? For example, if I record a bike ride on my Wahoo Roam, and the data from this then gets shared with the Apple Fitness and Health apps, can an effort score by applied either automatically or manually to allow this activity to contribute to training load? Or, does an activity have to be recorded on the Watch to count? This is my biggest frustration/consideration I'm having at the moment for purchasing a new watch. Garmin allows you to import activities recorded on other devices (like my Wahoo), but that activity just sits in the Garmin Connect app doing nothing, as for some reason Garmin won't allow the data from the third party activity to contribute towards body battery, HRV, etc.

[@gmarjerrison]

Good question! And what about activities done using the watch, but not the native Activity app, but say using Workoutdoors or Strava?

[@gnom4685]

Yes, after the workout it appears in Apple Health and you can manually add how hard was ur ride or workout which affects the training load

[@Lumin-Canada]

Do I have to sleep with watch on in order for the vitals app to show up on my watch ultra watch face? That seems so weird to me. People actually sleep with their watch on? When do you charge it?

[@hex.70]

Is it still in beta? When will it available to users? Excited about this and the new sleep tracking update, i will finally be able to track my naps lol

[@LeeBoris974]

Yes, still in beta. Will be released for all users in September when the new watches come out.

[@haentz]

I might actually try using this instead the Garmin. To me the 28 days average line on the Apple Watch seems to line up roughly with the upper ende of Gamin's training "tunnel". Kind of simplifies it… Is the lower tunnel threshold really important to know? But yeah, we want numbers! :)

[@robertktw]

does it have recovery time yet?

[@Pohmetolog]

So it still reads the Oxygen over night?

[@moyfly]

Does workouts recorded with other devices like Garmin affect to the apple's training load? In my case I use a Garmin Edge to record cycling workouts and the AW for the rest.

[@The_running_tech_guy]

Yes, if you sync Garmin to Apple, you can then add/change training load.

[@JaimeGonzalez-od4db]

Interestingly enough, I actually got frustrated with the Garmin training load because it didn’t seem to be all that accurate with how I felt and there was zero explanation for whatever the number it gives means. I guess it’s neat that you can see a number trend up or down with the granularity of a whole number but an upward\downward moving line seemingly accomplishes the same goal to me.

[@Evan-rh4hx]

What does the training load number actually measure. That 1016 on your watch for instance. What are the units?

[@Dcrainmaker]

It's effectively a unit-volume (TRIMP) of the total load on the cardio vascular system. Virtually all endurance sports companies use a variant of it. Here's a bit more detail: www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fitness/ask-expert-training-load/

[@Evan-rh4hx]

@@Dcrainmaker thanks!

[@mymoviefilms]

I have exactly those heart rate zones. It is almost if it is just using the 220 - age to determine max heart rate and then just take percentages for the zones. It also says it updates monthly yet it has not changes for me since Jan 1st while I became way more active.

[@hannahbruni6051]

Awesome video! Will training effort / training load work with the WorkOutdoors app? Or do you have to use the fitness app which is default on the watch?

[@johnw4595]

Fantastic. Clear and enjoyable to watch. 😁😁👍

[@Jasonallansmith]

I am not using the public beta, but are there any training load numbers in the separate health app where the mess of health data is stored?

[@VictorElGreco]

Fascinating. How does this relate to Relative Effort on Strava?

[@whizzpt]

Hi Ray, Can you please detail the face watch you used? What are the complications? Keep up the amazing work 👌💪

[@Mekawiii]

Ngl that 42 RHR is impressive 🔥 keep up the good work

[@marvin2k0]

According to 2:57 his RHR is 53

[@trimotionmedia5487]

@@marvin2k0 I think that's sleeping vs resting

[@Waizmp4]

In the effort part from 1 to 10, mine never automatically measures it. I have to manually choose, I don't know why. Is there a way to fix it?

[@sandmanproductions1966]

Will these features work with Final Surge workouts?

[@poetical12]

I just want them to stop tracking steps when I’m doing equestrian sports 😅 Is that so much to ask?

[@darren7634]

Will it take my data from Zwift which is uploaded to Strava, or will I need to have my watching running at the same time (and thus doubling up my workouts)?

[@LeviMRichardson]

Does the oxygen reading work for overnight measurement if your device has this disabled?

[@lucapersico8023]

Why you have 3 dots instead 5?

[@Alex-uy8zx]

Can users change the beginning of the workout week to Sunday instead of the default Monday? I hate that this doesn't match a regular calendar week.

[@GotDamBoi]

Will they ever add the ability for non Ultra watches to lock on to GPS before the run starts? I love my Apple Watch series 8 but not locking on to GPS pre run costs me at least a tenth of a mile for every 5 miles I run. Doesn't seem like much but it never happens with my Garmin

[@applemos6714]

In away that forces you to train more! Anyway, could you pause the watch and let it find the GPS?

[@Andi69155]

Is there a Option to Import Trainings where i not used the AW for? As a cyclist i use a Wahoo Roam and Export the Training afterwards to the well known Plattforms as Strava or TrainingPeaks. If the AW is Not able to take these trainings into account the training load screen is completely useless. 😉

[@johnsnow9653]

Thank you for this, Rainmaker! Apple's explanations are so limited.

[@SebMercier]

Zones seem the standard HRR calculation, but your Max HR seems very low, which would explain that your zones would be lower than usual. Not really surprised, I’ve always found the Apple Watch unreliable on resting HR and max HR.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup, I'd agree max HR seems low - but alas, that's what Apple has selected using automatic. And IMHO, this feature is specifically designed for mainstream audiences that aren't going to know their zones otherwise.

[@aslam7952]

(Another) new metric for Garmin - Effort Load?

[@tat_tvam_ase]

do desfit and him always post similar videos simultaneously?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Apple had a specific embargo timeframe for these features (as is often the case for announcements). I haven't seen/watched his videos yet.

[@BilloBob1231]

Considering the new offerings from garmin, this is getting interesting

[@johntrussell7228]

I love that Apple is pushing into this!

[@thani7963]

Thank you for the review

[@alisdairSH]

I'm assuming we will be able to assign training scores to activities imported from other devices for a wholistic picture? I normally don't use my Watch on the bike (Wahoo Bolt, with a PM and HR strap).

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yes, you can via the Fitness app on phone.

[@vrapan]

is it not the idea behind low HR long duration that despite feeling spent by the end of it, you still recover much easier/quicker and so the training load is lower? Obviously please correct me, I am a massive ignoramus when it comes to tracking / evaluatiny my own exertion unless it is at the very extremes. Also that is one beat up iPhone!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Unfortunately, not really. The difference is Aerobic load vs Muscular load. In effect, none of these companies account for muscular load, except in Apple's case, you can basically sidestep that by simply bumping up the Effort Rating.

[@jorisciz]

@@Dcrainmaker is that not what Polar is doing with their 'cardio load' vs 'muscle load' stats ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@jorisciz Yup, that's fair - Polar does do it. Though, I find it vastly underestimates the load in all of my attempts (including some 12-14hr days with the Grit X2 Pro recently).

[@liamglasper1127]

If you use third party app (workoutdoors) can you still record effort score for activity?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup! You can simply select it after in the Activity app, and assign it

[@tapio_m6861]

One of these days (months, years?), Apple will finally change the cross country skiing to also include GPS. Unfortunately I don't think Cupertino has loads of snow, so they might not think that it's a pressing issue, but as someone that would like to use just one app for fitness tracking, the fact that cross country skiing mode doesn't track GPS is just sad.

[@dionnea13]

You can with the new Beta version!

[@OemmisDiary]

Can someone explain, how to deactived the backtrack function After starting a new training? Everytime i start a cycle training and want to see my Information, the Display Show the backtrack App… i dont want this. ;(

[@MattSwain1]

I definitely agree that I’d like to be able to alter effort scores on my Garmin. My example would be some of the yoga classes I do. On one hand they rarely get my heart above what Garmin considers to be inactive and yet after a 60 minute class I can be completely exhausted for apparently no training load and 0 hours recovery time. At the same time, it will have recorded a high stress score so it knows I wasn’t just chilling out for an hour.

[@obikedog]

I think once an athlete starts using TP for training load - and most if not all do - the Garmin/Apple/whatevah RPE metrics instantly become cute little nice to haves. I know RPE can be accurate, so can evaluation based on TSS, acute and chronic training loads. And though I love my watch, I don't use it for overnight monitoring because - well the battery needs to be charged at some point and I have an Oura for that.

[@glassmw9823]

They should allow you as a user to pick beginner, intermediate, and advanced to determine what presentation and level of data and information to show you

[@DanielF-sw2px]

Hi! Thanks again for your really excellent work. Please forgive me for pointing out, that mixing a subjective measure like an RPE with an objective measure of training load is nonsensical from a methodological standpoint. From my point of view, introducing a purely subjective measurement as a separate line which you can correlate with objective data would be more helpful. But each to their own. Looking forward to more stuff from you. Cheers!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks! While I generally prefer an objective measure, the reality is that all watches today that use an objective measure are only measuring at best half of the load (aerobic only, versus muscular). Check out the study I linked above, which outlines how well the subjective measurements work. (www.frontiersin.org/journals/neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnins.2017.00612/full)

[@DanielF-sw2px]

@@Dcrainmaker Hi! I do absolutely agree that RPE is a valuable addition to assessing physical activity even in the times of the WWW (Wonderful World of Wearables). However- due to its limitations- (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11164849/pdf/40798_2024_Article_729.pdf), looking at it separately seems to me more promising. As a means of objectifying work during a long low aerobic exercise-such as a hike- I could imagine measuring work (ok.. it's difficult for outdoor pedestrians activities ) over time factoring in total weight and elevation gain. In the end, you would be able to measure calories spent... which could be interesting... have a great day!

[@harpninjamike]

I haven't bonded with my AW. I have a Garmin Instinct 2. I don't run, but do work out, so some of this seems cool compared to Whoop or Athlytic. I am hoping a lot of Garmin will export to Health and I can use vitals, etc. whether or not I use a AW.

[@rubenkvalsvik1928]

I love that Apple seems to be upgrading their graph-set😃 blocks are just not pretty or very readable

[@cking147]

what is that watch band?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Nomad.

[@apgovea1g806]

This guy needs to incorporate some weightlifting in with his endurance training

[@jakobmorningstar]

I wish they incorporate recovery information like Whoop has. I guess you can get a rudimentary outline of your recovery with some of the new data points, but man is Apple lacking in the most important aspect of tracking fitness.

[@chriscarpunky]

Yeah but wouldn’t you had a higher bump on your Apple had you had left it on hard as it suggested? Garmin brought your bump up. Maybe Garmin also determined it was higher than you thought as well? Just curious.

[@The.JZA.]

11:34 This should be the standard view I think. Like combine your specifically recorded workouts with your other activities. Like when I was travelling in Italy, we were on our feet all day and walking a lot around the city usually between 15-26km (26 km was our biggest day) but I was not recording this walking as a workout so it would be good if they just added this info into your training load by default. It's nice that they have this "All Day" category but I think this should be the default.

[@belst_]

Will you review the Nothing CMF Watch Pro 2? It looks pretty good for the price. If the heartbeat and gps sensors are just somewhat accurate, it could be a very nice entry option

[@atakan5909]

Galaxy Watch 7... When?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Soon...very soon.

[@phehibs]

Ultra too?

[@mountainslopes]

Couple things: I don’t want the graph numbers personally, I find that overwhelming. If they could show them only when you tap and hold on the graph for a day that could work. Second, I really wish Apple would allow the Action Button to have two purposes: 1) a “default” that you choose, like we have now 2) the option to enable contextual functions which would depend on the app. pause workouts, start the stopwatch, whatever when you’re in each of those apps, but then turn on the flashlight when you’re on the watch face.

[@JustRegularDad]

The dots are the dots of apples heart rate sensor 😊

[@drewd4952]

Perceived intensity could also help with strength training load. Garmin repeatedly disappoints me there where it thinks I only need a few hours of recovery after very high weight training just because it doesn’t see continuous high heart rate.

[@jonbig04]

Ugh if they could just get this effort score training load, HRV stuff right this could be the one watch to rule them all. Doesn’t seem there yet, but at least they are making progress.

[@JamesCFaas]

Is it just me or did anyone else lose the alerts function in custom workout settings or any workouts for that matter? I can set my target heart rate zone and get a visual representation, but there’s no longer an alert where Siri will tell me through my airpods if I’m above or below my target heart rate zone like it did before beta. I reported it in the Feedback app so hopefully if anyone else is having this problem, it gets fixed soon.

[@deepcoolclear]

It’s nowhere as good as the garmin watches which use your sleep cycle and HRV and other sensors to come up with meaningful metrics like Body battery and recovery time - and tells you if you need more rest that day, you might not feel as good,etc - that makes more sense than just letting you know how many hrs you slept in REM, or the stages, etc. I hope the Vitals gets better over time to be more insightful.

[@Nissan350Zable]

Apple just need to hire someone from Garmin and call it a day.

[@chriscarpunky]

And Vice Versa

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Awesome & Thanks :)

[@SpeedGio]

Hope Apple starts watching you and other sports KZbinrs, instead of tweaking the Ultra for tech reviewers. Sooo different. ❤❤❤

[@cyclingchantal]

Have had two rubbish nights in the past weeks. Vitals gave a pink dot overhere.

[@ipetrovitch]

I love that Ray lives below sea level… or at least, that’s what AWU2 thinks…

[@Dcrainmaker]

Fun fact: I do. It's a notable quirk of the Netherlands. I live at -3.8m according to teh national scientific tool for seeing exactly what level you live at.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Said tool: www.ahn.nl/hoe-hoog-woon-jij?origin=/common-nlm/postcodetool.html

[@madmalkav6540]

Apple really needs to add a way to detect max HR and calculate zones from there. Garmin has done that for ages.

[@nelsdale1137]

Great point !

[@kieran368]

It literally does this already

[@madmalkav6540]

@@kieran368 no, it doesn’t. It estimates a max HR based on some formula and keeps that estimation no matter how many activities you do surpassing that estimation. In example for me it estimates a max HR of 179 but my max HR is 189-190 (according to my previous watch from Garmin and also lab tested).

[@pseudoty]

@@madmalkav6540but it updates it monthly of the first day of each month.

[@brittanyend57]

Yes!! They literally have this data already in Apple Health... would be nice if they just used it... thankfully mine is close to all the age-based formulas, but if you're not, they're so off

[@BleakVision]

Does Apple use Firstbeat in the background?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Nope

[@aaaaooooii]

Garmin literally owns Firstbeat

[@paranormalengineeringandsu8394]

Why do you have so many screwdrivers?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Can’t have no lose screws.

[@JensFredeRasmussen]

Apple have deemed you a 7.. Not too shabby :D

[@Dcrainmaker]

😂

[@JustinBenson]

I was laughing when he complained about always being a 7 and then the one time he was a 9 he changed it to.....a 7. Apple algo probably saying "I knew I should have just stuck with a 7!"

[@JustinBenson]

I was laughing when he complained about always being a 7 and then the one time he was a 9 he changed it to.....a 7. Apple algo probably saying "I knew I should have just stuck with a 7!"

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@JustinBenson 🤣🤣🤣

[@home1231]

Battery life 😂😂😂

[@bery7028]

Accuracy Heart rate sensor on garmin 🤣🤣🤣

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

@@bery7028 Not really needed if you use a chest HRM imo (there's tons of cheap options available) which is always gonna be more accurate than optical HRMs.

[@fabianmolyneux2308]

Great vid. Mmmm it's just not a serious sports watch. The watch is literally a "Jack of all trades and master of none". I was really disappointed from my use of the Ultra. The battery life is crap, the health/sports page/reporting is such a klunky interaction and some of it just completely inaccurate. The use of apps was problematic common everyday use apps like Uber are missing and Strava is pretty much off and on. I had an expectation that by just wearing the Apple Watch I could leave my heavy Iphone at home - Nope couldn't do that. It's still got a lot going for it, but a serious sports watch it is not

[@fraukatze1147]

Can you elaborate on the battery life? Would be I able to use this watch for a complete day of hiking for example?

[@Alex-uy8zx]

Can Workout Zone/Effort be disabled? I ZERO interest or faith in any AI's (especially Apple's) eassassement of anything, but especially when it comes to my workouts. All I want is data (which every workout watch does only so so). And I definitely DO NOT want ANY recommendations from Apple on ANYTHING.

[@Adam-fl9uc]

They released training load… almost half a decade after competition 🤦‍♂️and just as you’d expect, it’s lackluster comparing to garmin equivalent

[@nitramluap]

"The dots don't make sense to me" - It's literally the Vitals app icon...

[@DrDoinks]

Good job Apple! A first step in becoming a… Garmin competitor 😂 Still need: 1) Better battery life: At least 3 days on the Ultra? I would switch from garmin if I could get that… 2) At least two buttons. I will NEVER run again where I have to struggle to swipe between data screens as the sweat makes it virtually impossible. I also don’t want to have to press the home or multitask button, swipe around to find Spotify… tap tap swipe swipe, while I’m running? No thanks, on garmin I simply: hold the music button, and can then easily navigate with buttons that I can activate from muscle memory without looking. 3)Heart-rate broadcasting: setting my mom up on a kickr core with Zwift was easy, until I had to go deep deep in Apple settings to the settings to allow workout device access. Then, we have to leave wife companion on iPhone open, zwift companion on the Apple Watch open and connect to zwift on Apple TV to get heart rate. Multiple times throughout the ride the heart rate stopped transmitting and the companion apps had to be force closed and re-opened on iPhone and Apple Watch.

[@carloscssr]

I will never trade my garmin epix pro sapphire gen 2 for this. No way!!!

[@sportfittech]

I’ve been trying AW Ultra 2 as my 945 LTE battery is dying too quickly on long runs and I didn’t want to buy the Fenix 7 as the 8 is due very soon. Within 1 week I ordered the Epix Pro Gen 2 knowing it will be replace by the end of August. The AWU2 is no where near as complete as a high end Garmin!

[@toadlguy]

The problem with not reporting your 3 hours of sleep is that Apple correctly reported it is not out of YOUR normal range 🤪

[@Dcrainmaker]

Haha...perhaps a bit true. Though, the other watches at the time had no problem identifying that as a concern. :)

[@nitramluap]

6 hours of sleep...? That ain't good.

[@harleycooper9717]

If Apple adds a number I will be so lost.

[@VernL4]

Post-workout effort rating... Hmmmm, where have I seen that? Oh, yeah, my 2 year old Garmin Fenix 7! As usual, Apple is just trying to catch up. :)

[@addeyyry]

They’re training their neural network using this data from users right now, at realease it’ll probably be about as superior to accuracy as their hr-readings are. Nothing beats the scale of which apple can dial in features

[@Mvrderface]

29/8.

[@alialiali1628]

Galaxy ultra pleaase!!!!!!!!!

[@Hydrogen101]

This is the Apple Watch. Perhaps ask Samsung?

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

@@Hydrogen101😉

[@danirana9311]

Why do you sound like a character from Simpsons the one who is father is a cop

[@joyaclub]

Basically Apple, you can’t be half pregnant. Go all-in with metrics or why bother. I’ve always disliked how they use stylized lines with thick rounded end caps for bar charts.

[@_J.F_]

Apple is definitely prioritising the sports side of their watches to try to keep up with the competition. I still do not see myself abandoning my Fenix 7 Pro any day soon though. I use my watch for sports and do not care about, or want, all the extras that might have some people prefer the Apple Watch. Also, I don't really like the Apple design/layout/icons that to me makes the entire platform look like something made for children age 4-8.

[@dcolum23]

Honestly, I don't find Apple's approach very useful at all. Generalized graphs that don't show anything specific is no better than just being self aware, IMO.

[@portzblitz]

❤

[@PureNRG2]

Apple Watches are sports related watches. Garmins are sports watches.

[@z3ro7o]

yep cant compare

[@ryoukokonpaku1575]

Especially for multi day activities imo, the battery life of AW holds it back for those type of workloads.

[@chriswhetton3584]

Meh, it’s not really that different anymore. There are a few data points that Apple can’t track, but they aren’t something the vast majority of runners actually need to track. I used garmin only for 7-8 years. I have started using an Apple Watch for the last couple years, and with third party apps, I have been happy with everything except one thing. The only significant difference is battery life. The ultra is perfectly fine for marathoners, and ultra distances that are less than 70 miles. That is 99% of runners. I hate apples obsession with the dang display and brightness, they are their own worst enemy in that regard.

[@chriswhetton3584]

I should also mention, I like the layout of the native garmin app a lot more vs the native Apple app.

[@PureNRG2]

@@chriswhetton3584 In spite of all the complaints about the new GC app, I liked from the start and it’s head over shoulders better than the AW app.