DCS F4 Phantom In VR With Full Motion Simrig

[@ArandomEchidna]

Recently, I tried DCS and bought FC3. I had no idea DCS was capable of all this. Fantastic setup!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Awesome mate, really happy you liked the video :) Thanks for the comments and for watching.

[@CHECK6-963]

The real F4 needed constant trimming. All the F4 drivers had worn out thumbs on their right gloves.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Well they have done an amazing job in simulating that, its simply amazing with the Rhino force feedback base :) Thanks for watching mate.

[@ashlittle4545]

Check it’s 100% in DCS. You change air speed 10 knots it’s trim time. Absolute pain in the ass 🤣

[@PelonTusk]

Finally mastered the F14, was on the fence on the F4. You sold me with this video.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh that's awesome mate. Glad you liked the video and you will love the F4 I'm sure.

[@pongokamerat8601]

"Finally mastered the F14". Sure about that...? 🤔

[@PelonTusk]

@@pongokamerat8601 yes and no

[@crosswindjones]

Another fantastic video! I really appreciate your breakdown of all the software and tools you've taken the time to setup... No small feat! I started my sim journey playing a ton of DCS. Then a friend got me into racing. Built a rig but I haven't even flown my F4 DCS model yet! Looks epic.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Thanks mate and really appreciate the comments :) You absolutely have to take the F4 for a fly, its amazing.

[@crosswindjones]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs My 2nd favorite plane of all time next to the F-86... I'm doing a sim-racing bootcamp class this month but perhaps next month will be a DCS month. I tried to Tobbii eye tracker a while back but ended up going back to my TrackIR.. Clumsy as heck but besides VR I haven't found a better solution for my taste. You seem to like yours though?

[@jackpatrick4462]

I sat in the cockpit of a phantom when I was 16. Even back then it felt incredibly cramped. Currently on the wrong side of 40 and only 5’8”

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

OH WOW, mate that must have been amazing, what a fantastic experience. Thanks for watching mate :)

[@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439]

The f16 is even smaller. Like wearing steel pants. Literally.

[@skykingron]

Awesome dude!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Thanks mate :) appreciate the comment and thank you for watching.

[@demdirtyboyz247]

Now do a helicopter. Take the Huey for a nice spin. Or rather nice hover lol.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Epic mate and couldn't agree more, I have been looking into some helos. I'm trying to work out a good spot for a collective, running out of space 🤣 so far my rig is car racing, bush planes, fast jets, space ships & motorbikes..... I really need a second rig 🤣🤣. Thanks so much for watching 😎

[@EthanolEnthusiast]

Have you tried GPBikes?

[@MrLolof1]

Hi 👍🏻🇫🇷 I just saw your video and thank you very much for your explanations of your #Rhino set up with VPForce software, I have noted all your settings. Above all, I didn't know that in dcs we could change the #Rool and pitch in the #FFB of #Rhino. I noted your settings at 280/190 and I will test this in my #Rhino. Thank you so much for all ,for communauty #Rhino 👍🏻🇫🇷👍🏻 Aplushhss /Laurent 🇫🇷

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Always welcome mate, glad my videos are helping share these settings so we can all get the best out of simulators 😁

[@LeLv30_Superbus]

Good choice of a grip Sir, I too drive the Sled (and the Huey) with the same one 👍

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Thanks mate, yea it's such a fantastic grip. I really need to try the Huey out 😁, thanks for watching mate.

[@cowboy10uk]

Ref the stick moving forward on braking, I’ve actually reversed that option in the rhino software. My thinking is when you brake, the nose tips forward and your body would actually move towards the stick, rather than the stick moving away from you. I prefer that, and for your setup, with the seat tilting forward with braking and the stick coming towards you, might feel even more immersive.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

That's actually not a silly idea at all, great feedback mate, I'm trying it 😊

[@Dirk2006Neu]

Nice to See how many fun you have to fly… I am with you but my Place is not so much… but with my Quest 3 in Cockpit i feel Fantastic… Have press the Abo-Button to see more from you…😉✌️👍

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@Dirk2006Neu Oh wow mate, thank you 😊. Yea the Quest 3 with a powerful computer is an amazing headset. Thank you for watching, the great comments and for subscribing 😁

[@nemisis_wolf]

Well I told you you'd love it LOL. I'm now 201 in the list to get the Rhino. Slowly but surely getting down the list. Can you tell us the settings in the VP Rhino software that increase the feedback force above the 100% mark? Maybe you are going to put that in the next video. Would be good to see how you get the best out of the Rhino's feel through it's software, your previous videos do a great job on showing us what yo have picked up from advice from other users and the software develpoers of the Rhino.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate you were 100% correct when you told me I would love it, such an amazing airframe in DCS. I cant wait for you to get the Rhino, its going to blow your mind how immersive the F4 feels. Ok, regarding the settings, most of this is covered in the software & setup section of the video 3:13 The amazing thing is there is actually not a massive amount you need to tune for the dynamics of the F4, the reason being DCS has native force feedback unlike FS2020. What that means is the Rhino is able to work correctly without to much tuning, most of the settings I have tweaked are focused on engine rumble, cannon fire, road rumble and those sort of additional effects which are very subjective. The most important settings you might want to adjust, as advised to me from one of the crew on the VPforce Discord, was in the 'Special' tab in DCS, I show this section at 8:02 in the software setup. In there you can actually adjust the percentage of FFB for both 'Roll' & 'Pitch' axis, very important I feel as without this you are simply not getting the correct feedback force the Rhino is able to produce, plus the airframe felt very slippery. The default in that section is 100% for both, these can be adjusted all the way up to 500%. Let me know if you get stuck or have any other questions :)

[@f-14pilotyikes12]

motorized tension belts are the bomb but have to wait till somebody knows where we can get the telemetry data from the F4 with the Gload

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea that's a really shame that we don't have more software support 😕. Thanks for watching mate 😎

[@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439]

Are you using a racing sim rig to fly? Interesting but are you not missing a few essential DOFs?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yes mate, 150mm of travel on the actuators is pretty incredible and brilliant for flight. Yea missing Yaw and surge, rooms to small but its on my radar once I get a bigger room

[@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs I see... what would be your modification or new simrig of choice at that point? Cheers!

[@keithbriscoe99]

Just found your channel - very enjoyable to watch. Love to hear your enthusiasm - - reminds me of myself as a new-ish VR DCS player. It is amazing! Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!! By the way, how many buttkickers and soundcards/amps? Thanks.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Whoop, Whoop, hahah yea mate awesome. Thank you for watching and your amazing comments. Such and epic game, mind blowing. Ok, sound card is only the one on the motherboard. Having said that though you have in my case 7.1 so the use of all of those channels if you wanted. I am only running two Buttkickers, one under my seat and one under my pedal deck, I could run two separate channels to them however, I honestly didn't notice that much of a difference so for simplicity, they share the one audio out channel on the back of the MOBO. I do run two amps though, I am using the Fosi Audio MO3 amps, this way I can adjust the volume independently :). My actual game audio if coming through my Arctis Nova Pro headphones that use a USB connection. Hope that helps and let me know if you have any further questions :)

[@justanotherguyonyoutube9755]

Can I ask what hardware your running on your PC? That picture is crystal clear and so if the frame rate

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Of course mate, running a 4090, 64GB RAM, 10900K overclocked to 5GHZ z490 Asus mobo.

[@MrLolof1]

Hi 👍🏻🇫🇷 Another question! I myself have a Pimax vr headset that does not have cameras for Mixed Reality. With your Meta Quest 3 helmet you can't use these cameras to go from games to real reality to see your jewellery and airplane controllers? And last question, with the Quest 3 the resolution of the headphones is good enough to see all the pressure gauges of an F4 Phantom? Bye .👋 Aplushhss /Laurent 🇫🇷

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Great questions. No unfortunately With the Pimax you are not able to pass through the real world to the headset, it's actually a brilliant feature of the Quest 3. Regarding image clarity with the Quest 3 seeing the gauges, it's very clear. I'm running an RTX4090, Wi-Fi 6 access point with Virtual Desktop. All settings are mixed out, 10bit codec, 200mbit streaming. DCS PPD 1.0, Steam Super Sampling at 100%. Image is very sharp, without artefacts and stutter free. I do have some news though that you are hearing first. Pimax are sending me the new Crystal Light to test and review, should be here this week. Video coming soon 😁

[@techvof]

F4s are wonderful, unless you had to repack the drag chutes as an E2 in the 80s 😭😭😭

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh no way, you used to work on these jets? Mate that is amazing if you did. Thanks for commenting and watching the video :)

[@skykid1075]

thanks for fun but i would like to know how cost you the cockpit to build ?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@skykid1075 Mate I'm actually doing a video soon on budget builds, how much my exact set-up costs and parts required, plus what do you need first just to get up and running. If you just want to do flight and say HOTAS games plus motion, 7-8k, my full set-up including PC, around 25-28k

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

What kind of mouse you have on there? a normal one on a hidden mouse mat? I don;t have a rig as kitted as yours but I don't like blindly looking for where i last left my VR controllers or mouse. Oh anyway try Voice Attack for the crew chief stuff and most jester comms... it's Epicly immersive.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate I'm running the Logitech MX Ergo mouse. It's a trackball and I have it mounted on some profile that can swivel out of the way, keyboard is then mounted just above it. Have a look through my channel for a video called 'The Machine' it's my whole rig build and also covers my mouse setup in detail 😁 Thanks for watching mate.

[@gunnessgilbert1199]

Can you show me how you setup your pedals for rudder control. I was able to set my racing pedals for rudder control in msfs2020. I was unable to duplicate it in dcs.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Absolutely mate, I'll put together a specific video on peddle set-up for single axis. Shouldn't take me long. I'll have it up by the weekend at the latest. I'll reply back to you once it's up.

[@charliewilson85]

One thing no-one tells you about these FF rigs is that you will be exhausted after your flight. The brain is carrying a heavy load with all the sensory input. An older simmer should be aware.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@charliewilson85 I'm 48 years old if that helps anyone gauge things 😁

[@matydrum]

28:25 that's not a barrel roll that's a loop...

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Amazing mate and thank you for pointing this out :) Thanks for watching.

[@hangar4851]

During taxi the Forcefeedback stick is shown to be absolutely slack with no positional stick at all. This is not how the real stick was. Even at taxi, you had a drag on roll and pitch stick deflection. With increasing airspeed, you were constantly recenter the bird by trim. To make it short: the force feedback has to include the steering state of the flight actuators, not just air speed.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh wow this is awesome feedback mate thank you. I will see what I can do to tune the stick for upcoming videos. Really appreciate the comments and thanks for watching :)

[@Uploadvideoschannel]

would be nice to see more of your setup instead of small circles in the corner of your video

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Awesome mate and I'll try some different camera layouts for me next videos 😁. In the meantime though, I have another video on my channel called 'The Machine' it's got my whole build journey and some great full screen video of the rig 😎 Thanks for watching mate.

[@golabp]

Motion sickness?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

No not at all, I am pretty condition to it though, having said that most cockpit games I find are a little better for motion sickness as apposed to standup VR.

[@miggybluesky]

your stick is a bit short I think. great rig tho!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea I really need to print a slightly longer extension. Thanks for watching mate 😁

[@MilkePan]

Drop kick

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@MilkePan In Australian slang, 'dropkick' is a derogatory term used to describe someone who is considered foolish, incompetent, or generally unpleasant. It conveys the idea of someone being "dropped" or dismissed as being worthless or useless. I absolutely 💯 agree with the first point. Incompetent, well flying the F4 I would partially have to agree 🤣 Thinking im unpleasant, worthless and useless............ Muskets at dawn.

[@fastfed]

Dude why don't people just use the catriges!! After all this is a video game after all, no need for power or air. Also that stick is way to short why don't you have an extension on that? Imo while a full motion Sim and vr are game changing, an extension is also a huge game changer. I mean you're literally stretching down to hold the stick. Sit in most jets and helps and you'll notice. Most go almost to your chest level

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@fastfed power and air, it's all about immersion. I like going through the start-up procedure. As for the stick, it's got an extension, 120mm. There is not a single modern centre stick fighter jet that has the stick almost at your chest 🤣. Watch my other video of my friend, a retired Airforce pilot in the rig. Stick height is almost perfect actually. I have also personally flown in a multi-million dollar PC-21 simulator, stick height was almost identical. Man, you sure had a lot of criticism on a video that's about having a good time in the F4. Please take note of the stick position of an F18 in relation to the pilot forum.dcs.world/topic/117783-f-18-cockpit-geometry/ Thanks for watching, go have a beer 🍺

[@Universal_exports87]

Stay fast.....lol

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

🤣

[@emrank2953]

seems like the sensitivity of your VR set for looking around is too much or maybe its just me. on longterm(hours) of playing it would make headache or vomiting feeling.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea its a tricky one, showing actual VR view recording always looks janky. I should have run some motion blur over the video to help with that. In VR though, actually looking through the lenses its not bad at all. I was also that excited to be in the F4 that I was looking around way to much I am sure hahaha. Thanks for watching mate :)