DCS: F-22 Raptors Vs Su-33 Flanker-D BVR Engagement

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Just a fun little video, we did a bunch of F-22 Dogfighting stuff I thought maybe it would be cool to do some BVR stuff. Big thanks to Feisty, Lacika, Serza and Gornyak for their help in the production of this video I hope you guys liked it.

[@dxknudsen]

by the way, i love the sicario music hehehehe keep it up

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@vovochen need fc3 boss

[@mikemophoto]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Is this the VSN F22? I have that and the interior is the F15

[@blaze6400]

@@mikemophoto It another mod. I don't think the VSN F-22 has weapons

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Michael Moccio mod link is in video description fellas

[@AceofCrazy89]

I was the pilot of the Lufthansa flight...if you’d given me 20 more seconds I woulda shook em.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

lold

[@counterfit5]

Just outlast them with your superior range!

[@adsRgay]

@@counterfit5 but they have superior speed

[@TonyRios]

I can tell you were about to perform an Anti-Flanker maneuver

[@AceofCrazy89]

@@TonyRios Like a Sir

[@GM-fh5jp]

I was the Sky Marshal on the Lufthansa flight and had both those Sukoi's covered with my 9mm Glock. Damn Raptors stealing my glory :/

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1261]

damn airforce stealing kills you almost had them good luck next time tho

[@bluecaptainIT]

Lemme guess, you're the "Gun VS Sun" meme dude, right?

[@colonelkurtz2269]

I was on that Lufthansa flight. Danke.🙂

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

F-22s got you covered brother

[@SGTcz90cz]

We almost had you covered, too.

[@evilke-kneebone]

@@SGTcz90cz Almost is only good in horseshoes and grenades.

[@lazyoverworked]

Ha ha ha...super!

[@reconzero5699]

I'm an AA canon 💫

[@southernaviator7010]

I'm from an aviation background. But you are the reason I have any clue at all about what I'm doing in DCS. just started this hobby in VR a couple weeks ago. Thanks for your solid channel.

[@Terrathrax]

Which headset did you choose?

[@southernaviator7010]

@@Terrathrax oculus rift s.

[@southernaviator7010]

@@hammerofdavey glad to be here. I'll serve for some nice target practice 😂

[@TheKenji2221]

@@southernaviator7010 Got the same helmet two days ago ! It works great with DCS !

[@nachobel]

Between the headset, and HOTAS, and the game and addons, roughly how much money are you in? Asking for a friend...

[@koishily]

9:28 RIP that dude's house

[@aidanm4314]

How do you explain that to your insurance?

[@TannuWannu]

Happens.

[@stanburk7392]

that would definitely get the attention of the locals.

[@koishily]

@@aidanm4314 That day "Flanker insurance" became a thing

[@archiebunker3654]

That's the, some dude's SU-33 came up against an F-22 rider of his policy, which really came in handy that day. Who'da thunk? We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.

[@ffvbnbvxdvhggb]

We definitely need more content and scenarios like this. (100% agree with Bryan)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

duly noted brother

[@wowomg1980]

You can even see the curvature of the earth. F*****g dope and beautiful. I admit im a console gamer and I watch these in awe

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

better hope your fellow console guys dont see this comment they might come after you

[@wowomg1980]

@@GrowlingSidewinder nah I'm too old to worry about that. I love the convenience of plug and play but appreciate what's possible on PC.

[@lazgkhn]

The earth is flat so the console is more realistic

[@wowomg1980]

@@lazgkhn Boooo👎Your comment officially sucks

[@COUNTERCOM]

But da earth be flat n shieeit.

[@Michael-Moo]

The Battlefield 3 theme at the end sealed the deal 😂

[@Rogue_y]

Bf1

[@allmight1612]

*bf3*

[@heavyhuskie]

Bf1942 theme

[@ami6272]

@@heavyhuskie That's the bf3 arrangement. 1942's is different, so is bf1's.

[@CipherGL]

! am lelnodot i love how people talks about things they dont even know lol

[@BringTheRain]

I scrolled past the thumbnail at first thinking it was one of those cancerous microsoft flight sim “wE iNtErCePt aIRliNers liVe” videos - then I saw the growling sidewinder logo and I was like “oh shit this is gonna be great!” And it was. It was great.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ahah i'm glad you saw the logo brother. thanks for giving it a shot,I appreciate the love.

[@obxnice]

One thing love about your videos and tac view explanations is the fact you show just how much thinking and skill it takes to be a fighter pilot, that it’s not just point and shoot etc. that you need to know all of your equipment and what and how it will react along with whatever scenarios it may be put into. Not to mention also knowing the enemies aircraft and weapons capabilities. All while your trying to maneuver, outthink, out fly the opponent you also have to deal with the g forces that are being applied to your body and fighting the rush to pass out for few seconds from whatever hard turns you may be doing that unfortunately this game itself can’t show,. But from just watching your tac view and what’s happening Def makes you have a totally new respect for what a fighter pilot does,,I thank you for showing us this. Wish I had a good pc to play this game. But have to thank all our military and of course the pilots who train to do the stuff we all like to watch for entertainment here on KZbin

[@Erv704]

Dude, your videos are always dope. I need to pop some popcorn when I watched your videos. I've actually got the AIM-54 added to my payloads for the F-22. It makes the Raptor more lethal.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks dude, I appreciate your support. I know you've been around for a very long time on the channel thanks for sticking with me man.

[@GordonMH9802]

Really? I want to watch it! It must be the most lethal payload for all the other aircrafts XD.

[@jameson1239]

How?

[@jasonmcmillan4373]

Another great video. For som reason I enjoy the missile engagements far more than the ultra close dogfighting with guns. Could be the satisfying BOOM when the missile finds its mark! 😄

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I also find them very satisfying

[@arveduilastking546]

That sicario movie music in the beginning.

[@moonbear2130]

Was thinking the same thing lol

[@MightyTiki]

“So you want to be a Sicario?”

[@Kolobochok95]

LOL that Battlefield theme.

[@henriklmao]

When the physics Randomly go nuts in dcs

[@fairlanemuscle]

The ultimate theme

[@acedamace3501]

Was about to comment the same thing lol

[@XiyuYang]

I know nothing about aviations, fighter jets or military stuff in general but I love watching your videos :D

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I appreciate that support man thank you, much love.

[@casesully50]

Your content is getting better and better man! Love it!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

very kind of you thanks very much always pushing forward.

[@cambellschunky704]

These scenarios don't give the views they deserve. I, for one, would like more.

[@felmagfer]

10:27 the shadows of the f-22 passing by the windows, pov everyone: GLORY

[@Thefirefighter2631]

Not gonna lie. I completely fanboyed when the Battlefield theme started and you escorted the Lufthansa. Great job as always!

[@Nathan_Lennox]

9:28 "The same cape where my family lived."

[@TakimaruSan]

Ace combat 4 my favorite story from all ace combat games ☺️☺️☺️

[@himerosen]

NOOO

[@Fresh_Baklava]

The detail inside the cockpit is beautiful! I’ve recently heard about this game and had to check it out. Would have been rad if they made the pilot chatter sound like it’s over the radio. Thx for sharing 🖖🏼👽

[@diecastworld7962]

It's no game it's simulator

[@hzchase7696]

@@diecastworld7962 it’s a game….

[@diecastworld7962]

@@hzchase7696 no it's a professional level simulator not games for children like ace combat and battlefield 2042 cringey stuff

[@hzchase7696]

@@diecastworld7962 either way it’s still a game, simulators are games, 🤦‍♂️

[@jaek__]

@@hzchase7696 No? That's not how language works. It's still a simulator.

[@marklatham1414]

Geeze imagine being in out of those countryside homes and these jets start fighting just overhead blaring insanely loud noise shaking your home. Missles launching, jet engines at full afterburner and planes exploding and crashing nearby. lol

[@MFurey]

Imagine pieces of Su-33 and tons of jet fuel in you favorite fishing hole. So bad for the environment.

[@ashman8891]

loved the split at the end. boss stuff

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks dude little show for those airliner pilots after what they went thru

[@noork1173]

Awesome video. The BF3 theme was a good ending to the counter-interception

[@matthew55793]

Gotta give props to LaCiKa, seems like a hell of a pilot.

[@DSRT888]

What a badass.

[@2Links]

Yeah the Cobra to confuse the Doppler was genius especially given amount of time he had to do so.

[@marklatham1414]

Is the F-22 mod incorporating the stealth features in the model?

[@cbinder46]

Yes, it has 10% of the RCS that the F-15 does in-game

[@sh0ckv3l33]

@@cbinder46 Looks grossely exxagerated. Like orders of magnitude of what it supposed to be. Frontal RCS is 0.0X dBsqm lower than an F15's at 20nm. Guess it's the modder's form of compensation (game balance of sort) for the generous kinamtic figures.

[@Sethiol73]

@@sh0ckv3l33 would really like to know what sources are for this as these aircraft are still highly classified. One source is not enough, and 2 related sources dont count. Mus be 2 separate and unrelated sources.

[@Sethiol73]

@@sh0ckv3l33 The sources I found, show the F-15 RCS is ~15m2 while the F-22 is ~.00025. Those are HUGE differences. If anything, maybe the modder has gone far enough?? Most sources that show dBm2, are citing sub 0 numbers on average. Some not taking into consideration RAM(radar absorbent material). www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S2175-91462015000200170&script=sci_arttext&tlng=en www.researchgate.net/publication/284733658_C188_Radar_Cross_Section_Analysis_of_Stealth_Fighter_Design militaryembedded.com/radar-ew/signal-processing/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth

[@sh0ckv3l33]

@@Sethiol73 F-16.net . You get official diagrams plus the way to calculate the signal attenuation caused by the frontal shaping (can be done for all angles of the frame if you do so wish). the X part is because is impossible to guesstimate the efficiency of the coating and the ram materials used all over the "skin". Rule of thumb is that you end up with a higher RCS value but is still useful for comparison with legacy 4th and 3rd gen fighters (since they are publicly known). The reference was the LM's quote of the "smaller than a golf sized ball" at 20nm. So if you end up with a higher RCS you did something wrong, lol.

[@gmartinstrends]

can't get enough of your content, really solid stuff, hope you can shift to VR soon, cheers

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you brother

[@gnas1897]

Dang that bf3 theme, you just made a great video even greater!

[@jacobblair6181]

The battlefield theme song fit so well over the f22's

[@scaneagle62]

That was a cool shot when you both teamed back up after the kills.

[@seph7450]

Good choice for both soundtracks! Many hated the BF3 theme but that will forever be in my heart.

[@pilgrim....]

F22 Stealth but those con trails. I know lots of people like me who don't have DCS but interested in military aviation watch your videos coz it's good entertainment. Great stuff much appreciated

[@FD1CE]

Fantastic! Nice scenario, nice operation nice cooperation!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks very much man appreciate u watching the video

[@WindyNight114]

The thought of taking anything Mach 3 to the face sounds horrifying. Let alone a missile. Very cool video!

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

Great change .. a story and fast aircraft. Nice work Growling ;)

[@Tubeflux]

Thanks, good dogfight and clear analysis. Thumbs up 👍🏼

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks man

[@r.deeblanche6939]

You guys are the best at these vids. Everyone else winds up getting a little too giddy. Very professional. Can’t wait til I can afford to jump into this.

[@s.v.5052]

Hey Growling Sidewinder, I would like to see a pvp video staged in adverse weather and what strategies you would employ to defeat another pilot in those conditions. Thanks!

[@the_goon13snato52]

I love this im looking forward to more videos like this keep up the good work

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Thanks man.

[@gosborg]

Great video. Very tense . Loved it!

[@happyhaunter_5546]

*bass boosted techno house Eurobeat BF1 theme* Loved this realistic scenario.

[@477goku]

Thats actually bf3 theme

[@it4g_402]

@@477goku nope its from sicario

[@477goku]

@@it4g_402 first one is from sicario but the one at the end of the mission is from bf3

[@scarecrow108productions7]

@@477goku omg, that Sicario music from the start gives me the chills. I wonder which Sicario OST title is it?

[@potatopower707]

Good move by the guy that notched with the cobra, well done!!!

[@lacika7351]

I was out of Rakija :D it's not fair! :D

[@galicije83]

Sto ga nisi prvo gadjao sa R-27R pa mu onda odmah poslao ET, na daljianam preko 30km (salvo dve razlicite rakete sa dva nacina vodjenja)...Reptor bi bio oboren jer ne bi znao sta ga je snaslo posle prve rakete....u stvari svaki avion bi na ovaj nacin bio oboren...varkom...

[@Kolobochok95]

@@galicije83 🤣

[@Mandrak789]

@@galicije83 aj ti sedi snimi pa nam pokazi tu tvoju taktiku u praksi kako obaras raptora... momci su uradili najbolje sto su mogli

[@lacika7351]

Dobro je momci, sve je ovo samo za video, nije fora da ja njega ubijam u njegovom videu 😁

[@kotor1892]

koji je okretniji u igri i zapravo ako znas? Su33 ili Su27?

[@walkerscranger]

Awesome! We need more of these type scenarios. Great work on your part Growling Sidewinder!!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very much man

Btw if the modder of that F-22. If he did it everything down through the last ribbit that SU-33 wouldnt even know the F-22 was there and it cannot even fire a missile at the F-22. Basically its F-15 FM vs SU-33. Btw i love those BVR even some people say its boring. I love those missiles doing work at long ranges.

[@Halolover29]

Imagine being the Lufthansa pilot. You're intercepted by two enemy aircraft and they're forcing you to change course. Then the two aircraft suddenly change course and break off from escorting you. Some time passes and you're wondering what happened when two F-22 Raptors pull up on your left and right. They stay for a moment then peel off without saying a word.

[@paulholm4827]

I like how the shadow of the F-22 shows up on the body of the 747 at the end

[@raoulduke2625]

Just discovered your channel! Great stuff!!!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Welcome to the channel brother thank you

[@avidgamer5676]

Anyone else have the hairs on back of their neck tingle during the intro? That ticking and bass trumpet sound coming through the sub is pretty terrifying..... love it.

[@RaptoroftheRiver]

That split off at 11:00 was pretty sweet

[@wesshumard6589]

Really liked the battlefield theme music, nice touch!

[@ridetheapex]

1:41 Who would have thought that this was the profile of a next generation fighter. It looks so dissimilar to most other aircraft. .....good stuff

[@MNanme1z4xs]

Very much sure the F22 control panel is classified, depend on how realistic DCS can simulate, they may not allowed to have stealth plane

[@biscuit4836]

I’d love to see a Rafale mod dogfight, it’s my favorite mod in the game. Love the vids!

[@dixievfd55]

I'd buy a Rafale module. And a Grippen module.

[@lightbox617]

The virtual 3d imaging is wonderful. I have to consider the distinction (not difference) between fake and art.

[@matthewb9241]

That sequence at the end with the contrails was pretty cool

[@CNCTEMATIC]

I really liked this scenario, because its something that would happen IRL. That's my favorite type of scenarios - you can immerse yourself and imagine its the real thing.

[@allantotti]

That was very cinematic, I loved it! Nicely edited mate!

[@arinbiswas8524]

Man you are Shroud of DCS world...

[@NickGonsalves]

Love the BF music in the end

[@bbull71]

I was jamsheed in the Lufthansa flight. Nearly had them with my rpgs before you took Em down

[@counterfit5]

Fleetingdreams so that’s why there was Battlefield music. You were going for the Rendezook

[@alangarnto873]

Woo wee hell of a fight.dammit man I loved it.keep up the videos sidewinder enjoy you and feisty as your wing man.god bless y'all stay safe bud.

[@zeitgeist909]

This was a great video, with a story and everything! Kudos GS!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thanks for watching man

[@twineagle2k10]

Anyway of getting a f-23 black widow mod?

[@s3viking214]

That would be amazing

[@avidaviation67]

Yf-23 Black Widow not F-23 it never got out of testing.

[@Achilles_696]

starts out with sicario background music, you know it's gonna be badass.

[@Hockey88NY]

Great video. Like the tactical views and analysis. Fabulous job!

[@aryzkhan7980]

That f22 intercepting after the fight was the definition of SWAG

[@antoniok4735]

Watching this epic video, I have to mention it reminded me of the real intercept of the Lufthansa A380 by three Bulgarian Air Force Mig- 29 over Bulgarian air space, you can see the video on youtube. There is a military video from the three jets cockpits intercept. Great video as always keep up the good work and the soundtrack is amazing.

[@68rhalljr]

Kinda seems like you're still using 4th Gen tactics with a 5th Gen fighter. Turning after a FOX only shows your larger RCS to the enemy should they be turning back into you or looking/working through HMS. These 5th Gen are best nose on.

[@Emanuel-kz9lw]

Hey Growling Sidewinder, awesome video! Recently I have been interested in DCS and this realistic battle situations, could you please do a video on your lingo, how radar works, what you look for when fighting, and when to look at your computers and such for different situations. Thanks again!

[@privatelisting366]

He's done all that, search his videos for explanations of Fox 1, 2, 3 etc. His presentations are USAF Academy level.

[@anthonyhantonh]

Can’t stop watching your videos.

[@buyacarfrommattjohnson130]

You had me at the Sicario Day of the Soldato soundtrack!

[@w.allencaddell6421]

This video is so freaking awesome that it helped me fined spots on my screen that I need to clean. You must have some good set up to produce something this good. I'd love to know what all you're using so I can do this at home. I'm just glad that Russia is no longer our enemy. A good people with a rich and deep culture.

[@Woody-nc1ru]

Are the F22's here just skins over the F15 or are they set up with all the stealth, and maneuverability of the F22? I know you were doing BVR and maybe needed to get the 35's off the Lufthansa but if these are set up like the F22' s would you've been able to make it in right behind them with out them picking you up?

[@juliocanche7822]

9:19 those kulbits are amazing! Oh wait...

[@69fabin]

Those BVR videos are way better than the DF ones! You should do BVR more often!!!

[@therealsharat]

To see 2 Raptors escorting, the passengers in the Lufthansa are lucky for sure

[@30769s]

I thought this vid was AirForceProud but I saw the 747 model being slightly different from FSX. Then I saw your channel and I never clicked on a video so fast

[@chaptermasteraltethius]

Incredibly cinematic... Loved it completely!

[@raymondsanchez4107]

Awesome thanks for the great action. Only wish is one day to meet up in this wild simulation awesome thanks

[@Ash-qc9os]

I bet the passengers were bricking it until the Raptors pulled up along side.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

11:39 What happens if the Su-33s stay with the airliner and don't separate from it? Doesn't this adversely affect the F-22s options for engagement because they can't use Fox 2 or Fox 3 without risking hitting the airliner by mistake?

[@DeeSnow97]

If they stay there, the F-22s can just catch up and gun them down, and even if they just break too late they can get into a significant positional disadvantage. The moment they know there are F-22s coming for them they're sitting ducks around the airliner, they need to break as early as possible if they want any hope of an even fight.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@DeeSnow97 The Raptors would lose their stealth advantage and also be taking a huge gamble by waiting to engage WVR, because the Flankers would have the opportunity to missile lock them before then and are also more dangerous in a dogfight than they are BVR. As for the Flankers, they won't know the Raptors are inbound until they become detectable on radar, so there's no reason for them to disengage before then anyway. I'm pointing out that the airliner represents a hostage which they could use as a "human shield".

[@starfyter87]

16:40 looks like you came relatively close to re-enacting the F-11 tiger shooting itself down, with that burst of 20mm at 16:05

[@glockt3ch968]

2:10 what is this called pls tell me

[@knightonwarbeck1969]

Monster Energy State GS! M1.72 in the dive and M1.25 on the deck. Whoa! Nice boost to the 120. You had a massive energy (speed and altitude) advantage from the get-go. One Flanker also built up quite a bit of speed in his dive but bled it with all his maneuvering. Was a closer fight than I anticipated. And the guy cobra-ed an AMRAAM??? Yup... Superman flies a 33. Shut all front doors! Re-match but with J-11s and the R-77. Same set-up. Former F-104 pilot Andy Bush - he and wingman won a 2V1 against the F-15 in the 104G model - would say you had oodles of SMASH in this engagement.

[@jamesj.7750]

Great upload! Growling saving the day, yet again! What does it feel like being that awesome? Id ask Cap over with the Grim Reapers, but he wouldnt know. And ill raise my glass for your cohorts, for we are men amongst men, axe to axe, eye to eye, there is no allowing, except for Growling.

[@direwolfkaniz9192]

Wow, now I know where Belarus getting the idea from...

[@logantygum346]

Bruh, everyone is like omg cool fight while I'm over here going.. HOLY FUCK WHAT IS INSUING ON THAT PLANE RN?😂

[@Z3kyTw0]

Awesome video bro! loving these !

[@silent_wolf5699]

FINALLY some raptor content!

[@americanpatriot4227]

:) A little bit sick? Your in a F-22 - that is Sick!

[@skizzik121]

Has to be much more comforting to see 2 Raptor out the window of your Lufthansa flight than a Russian craft lol.

[@maddog726]

I love the use of the Sicario music.

[@sanelemngadi9324]

Great video as always .... Does stealth give you guys any advantage, or does the game not take that into account

[@SimRacingPakistan]

That was some Tacview insight... but those Flanker never had the chance against those RAPTORS.... next time give them the Su57 mod ;)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Haha Su-57 mod is too good tho that's the problem has some custom missiles would make quick work of the raptors

[@privatelisting366]

That Su57 mod is Russian fan fiction. Written to give it invincibility and fantasy weapons.

[@not_yu]

I’ve learned so much about being in the Air Force from your videos, maybe one day I might make the decision to join.

[@seeingeyegod]

Great editing and presentation as usual

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

thank you very kind of you. glad you liked it.

[@gmwpphs1899]

Dunkirk trailer soundtrack and BF3 theme, wise picks.

[@armchairgman6568]

Looks like Lacika pulled a YAGA to notch that 120 on deck. Nice!