DCS World - MiG-19 - Close Encounter With Sukhois - Indo-Pakistani War, 1971.

[@madzen112]

Really nice with the extra dimension of the pilot interview 👌👍

[@6mtzhp55]

I guess you could say the young pilot fell short of hitting the mark.

[@showtime112]

Yeah. Imagine how he must have felt when his gun camera was shown in front of the whole squadron. But I guess he's over it by now since he's telling the story 😁

[@jdsaldivar5606]

82ND AIRBORNE Pilot : The guns are effed up...the sights are effed up!! Commander : No... You are effed up!!

[@showtime112]

That's what a typical young and cocky fighter pilot woul react 😁

[@EastGames-uy6mc]

And that was a nice premiere!

[@showtime112]

Glad you liked it! I was testing to see how that thing works in the first place.

[@samnigam3451]

During 71 conflict Only few Pakistani pilots were skilled as compared to their Indian counterparts. Indians did well in dogfights n Aerial Bombardment destroying most of PAF in air n on the ground.

[@valor36az]

What a great story, the failures are as important than the successes to learn from.

[@showtime112]

I'm glad that think so. This was the point of the whole story. And not that pilots of one nation suck as some tried to suggest.

[@Crabby303]

Nice to see this recreation of Tahir's tale, it's worth watching him tell it, he's an engaging and entertaining storyteller; also very interesting to hear first-hand what the MiG-19 was like to fly. Thanks for the vid :)

[@showtime112]

I thought it was one of the most memorable interviews on the channel. Also, I like those historic events when things don't go according to plan. Where you can clearly tell how complicated this whole business is and how one little thing can cause failure.

[@tousledhairr3529]

he was literally an ass hole , a bad mark on PAF training

[@stanleylaham8932]

I’m glad nobody was killed. The flying over the terrain was fabulous.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@rajvps]

Will be great if you can make video on ‘Keelor Brothers’, they were very famous Indian Air Force Pilots Trevor & Denzil Keelor who flew Gnat’s in 65 war.I’m sure with your research people will love to see the video.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately, there's no Gnat in DCS or anything similar. From the Indian side, there's only MiG-21 (although a later model). I suppose Mysteres could be approximated with Sabres but then, the Pakistanis flew Sabres.

[@rajvps]

@@showtime112 that’s absolutely fine. Love watching all your videos, eagerly waiting for more aviation scenarios from across the globe.👍

[@per_scep_tivegamer879]

What a killer looking plane. Love the tail and those large wing fences giving it a very tough look.

[@showtime112]

Yeah, it's like those cars from the '50s. Perhaps many people today wouldn't like them but there's something special about them.

[@apflyingamer3623]

A really good one!

[@showtime112]

Glad you think so!

[@adchirnabil2105]

thanks dcs world

[@showtime112]

Thank you for commenting!

[@clintwestwood5187]

The IAF pilot seems doped out totally oblivious to the mig 19 on its tail...unbelievable! !

[@showtime112]

It is only unbelievable to someone who doesn't know much about military aviation. Most kills in history were scored so that the victims never saw the attacker or only saw them too late. Those guys are flying extremely low and extremely fast. Look around too much and ground will kill you sooner than the enemy. Even if they did know the MiG was behind them, the best tactics would still have been go as fast as possible. Maneuvering would just loose speed and bring the enemy closer.

[@clintwestwood5187]

@@showtime112 yeah as I said before ...PAF inspired combat scenarios...you should also show how alam destroyed 5 Hunters in 23 seconds and bust a fake myth about a fake ace...stretch your imagination and create this impossible feat ..ask kaiser tufail to hep you out in recreating this outrageous scenario..

[@clintwestwood5187]

@@showtime112 I am sure IAF only survived because PAF ran out of ammunition or missiles or probably got bored of the turkey shoot....otherwise it would have ceased to exist ....you are using an airforce as credible source that hides its wartime attrition by inducting fighters from friendly Islamic nations on the sly and builds fake memorial of an SuMKI "kill" that never happened.....

[@showtime112]

@@clintwestwood5187 I intend to cover that someday but first, someone needs to develop the Hunter for DCS.

[@clintwestwood5187]

@@showtime112 LoL i can't wait to see that incredible hoax online ...you have my best wishes.

[@Stripedbottom]

An early 70's aviation war film - Close Encounters of the Sukhoi Kind

[@Spring-ni4vq]

Certainly one of the least trained PAF fighter pilots. Amazing because how one of the best if not the best airforce PAF is. It's like when an israeli airforce pilot makes a major mistake, you get dumb Struck, given that how remarkably good israeli airforce is.

[@showtime112]

I think he was just a bit young and hot-headed.

[@buckwheatINtheCity]

An Indian pilot made it home on that day.

[@showtime112]

Yup. And a Pakistani pilot just barely made home.

[@rahulsharma1806]

You can cover Nirmaljeet Singh Shekhon who is the only IAF Pilot awarded with India's Highest Gallantry award, Param Veer Chakra

[@showtime112]

That would make a great video but currently we don't have the Gnat in any of available simulations. I do plan to cover some action fought with Indian Hunters in the future.

[@AghaShahidKhan]

He was fortunate that he returned safely back to home after consuming his entire ammunition deep inside enemy territory. Any engagement with enemy could be fatal for him because of his disability on account of his ammunition and fuel both.

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

Well he made a scene confronting the maintenance crew, so I believe his commander probably decided, having a bad day at the office and losing his chance to score a kill or two, being humiliated in front of rest of his squadron and possibly having to buy a launch for the entire crew team to apologise for his rashness was enough NJP to get him back in line and put his head in the right place, no lives were put at risk anyway and so, why demoralise a good young pilot when much more long term advantages could be achieved by less precautions... he sure remembers his lesson in good heart still up to his current age so... I would say, good job on the CO...

[@showtime112]

Yeah, that makes sense. And I think it's cool how he's willing to tell this story now instead of just ignoring it. I'm sure many would do the opposite.

[@ivanjalaluddin4458]

Good one 👍 .... only issue was I think you used a Su 22 (template) for the IAF Su 7...and in they tended to have a fairly untidy camouflage or a beat up natural metal finish 😊. There is a lot of air action that took place during the 71 war .... hope you make more such realistic depictions !

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment. The Su-17 was used here because the mod for Su-7 seemed unavailable. I tried various download links but they were all dead. Only after this video, a viewer sent me the link. I just released another video from the '71 war yesterday. Also, it seems that we might have Hunter soon in DCS so this will open new options.

[@ulisesvelez5846]

the mikoyan mig-19-fresco the first supersonic mig's. with 3-30mm canons.and missiles and bombs.

[@sandeepbalakrishnan9728]

Portrayal of Indian Su-7s are a little unrealistic. They are flying straight and level in close formation like target drones without any evasive maneuvers even after the mig-19 was engaging them. I wonder what really happened. Whatever happened in this battle, we know what the outcome of the war was. 90,000 plus pakistanis surrendered and became PoWs, Pakistan formally signed the 'Instrument of Surrender' and the country of Bangladesh was born!

[@showtime112]

Actually, it is very much realistic. People watch GS videos and think that every time aircraft meet over the battlefield, it ends up in a dogfight. It rarely ever does. Su-7 is a bomber. If you try to maneuver you lose speed and energy. And then you are in a maneuvering fight against a fighter. Not smart. The best thing for the Indian pilots to do was to stay as low and as fast as possible. And if any sensible pilot was chasing them, it would have worked perfectly because Alam was reckless and wasn't watching his fuel state. They were deep in Indian airspace, maybe they were leading him into an AAA trap or something? I really don't think that Alam was making anything up. He wasn't trying to make himself look great, quite the opposite.

[@dragonstormdipro1013]

I have talked with former Indian Su-7 pilots. It looks realistic. The Su-7 was leading him away from the conflict zone, to a trap possibly. Su-7s are quite bad in maneuvering, so it's a legit good tactic to lure the MiG with such a straight run.

[@showtime112]

@@dragonstormdipro1013 Thank you very much for sharing that information! It was logical for the Su-7s to drag him into Indian territory.

[@mianzahidmahmood]

Great Stuff

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment!

[@13strza47]

super

[@showtime112]

Thank you for commenting.

[@mansoorkhan8272]

If you have had you fill of appeasing your larger viewership base from India I suggest you may also consider re enacting a few aerial engagements from the 65 war

[@showtime112]

I intend to. There's some grinding left to be done in WT until I'm able do to it properly 😀

[@mansoorkhan8272]

@@showtime112 eagerly awaiting for that

[@exploreradverturer8396]

Pakistan Zindabad....

[@mower2008]

Is the F-4 Phantom available to play? If it is, I'd like to see you recreate USAF Major Phil Handley's historic supersonic gun kill on a MiG-19 over North Vietnam.

[@showtime112]

Phantom is sadly not yet available. There is a mod but it uses F-15 cockpit I think. Supposedly, ED is developing a module and a few months ago one of their big shots said they could release it in about two years. Since it is my favorite military aircraft, when it becomes available, my next 20 or 30 videos are going to be about the Phantom I think 😁 Thank you for your comment and suggestion!

[@Nibby802]

@@showtime112 they put the module on hold to continue the Apache, mosquito, and more works

[@pumelo1]

I don't understand one thing, that after the bombing, the planes didn't climb to a higher altitude and the Mig-19 could simply no chance. Mig-19 fly max. Mach 1.25 and Su-7 Mach 1.7. It is not negligible Su-7 is fighter-bomber. They could use them on "Dogfight" in case of "emergency"

[@showtime112]

We are not sure exactly at which point the Indian pilots realized there was a MiG on their tail. Could be that they never even did. I think standard procedure was flying low and fast and they stuck to that. It makes aiming more difficult for the pursuer as well.

[@pumelo1]

@@showtime112 Obviously the fault of the Su-7 pilots😒

[@renegadeoffunk2588]

Mig19 is basically all I fly in DCS. This one hit home when learning how to engage anything with the slow moving 30mm it has. Quick question for you. How did you deploy the drag chute? The keybind for deploying it always jettisons the entire chute and I find hitting the actual button with my mouse awkward since I don't have a 3rd hand

[@showtime112]

Hey, thanks for your comment! I fly several airplanes.I haven't exactly mastered MiG-19, but three out of my four most successful videos feature it so perhaps I should concentrate on it a bit more :) Your question got me thinking a bit and I went to check it. Pressing P key on keyboard seems to deploy the chute nicely with wheels on the ground. Pressing P again jettisons it. But when in the air, pressing P seems to deploy the chute, you hear the noise effect but you don't see it deployed. Pressing P again seems to jettison this 'invisible' chute.

[@oveidasinclair982]

He was firing tracers and should have realized he was shooting low

[@showtime112]

That may seem logical looking at it now. But in a highly stressful situation, we can't always focus and see things clearly. He should have noticed something was wrong but guns on MiG-19 don't carry that much ammo, it's just several seconds of holding down the trigger.

[@PappaBear_yt]

Nice, very nice! I wonder if he ever had to return the value of those rockets and fuel tanks and also the fuel and cannon rounds he spent and not hitting a single target. Not to mention he almost lost the plane and possibly his life... 🤭🤦🏻‍♂️

[@showtime112]

Thanks! Well, he didn't mention any kind of punishment in his interview. And he kept flying in the PAF for several years. Maybe this kind of thing is more common than we think and air forces would soon run out of pilots if they sacked every young one that did a similar thing 😁

[@alexwest2573]

Omg I love the shark mouth on the front of your Mig

[@showtime112]

It was by no means an original thing by 1970s but it seems that the Pakistanis adopted this custom too, dating back to the AVG in China in WWII.

[@tatoloco4]

@@showtime112 None of the Pakistani planes. had the "shark Tooth" paint !!!

[@shahidmehmood7944]

One should be unbiased,having knowledge of aerodynamics could assess the things happened in .

[@savamomirovic4439]

Zanimljiv događaj , eto šta se desi kad trčiš pred rudu.... Ja sam baš slabo informisan o upotrebi tih Suhoja u ratovima,ali da su bili bolji od Migova to stoji.. Čuo sam da je MiG-21 loša kopija Su-17,i da je MiG još tad bio namenjen za izvoz...

[@showtime112]

Moram priznati da ni ja baš ne znam previše o tim starijim Suhojima. Siu-17 je dosta mlađi od MiG-a 21 pa vjerojatno nije to u pitanju. Vjerojatno se radilo o devetki koja stvarno jest dosta slična MiG-u 21 i nastala otprilike u isto vrijeme. Ali stvari se nekad poklope da neki avion postane poznat, a neki relativno nepoznat. Kao i na raznim drugim poljima ustvari :)

[@benlaskowski357]

I see the T-55s and I'm like, "Uh-oh!!" And, uh, oops. He at least didn't get punished for going off on his own. Missing that kill was punishment enough.🤕

[@showtime112]

It must have been the most embarrassing moment of his life when his commander asked him about the sight :)

[@benlaskowski357]

@@showtime112 Yep. That would do it. Dad always said think before you shoot.

[@bobbob4652]

Pretty cool. Do they not have su7 in game?

[@showtime112]

Nope! There used to be a mod a couple of years ago but it's no longer available. There's many types missing in DCS, some guys make mods to fill those gaps (such as F-105 that was released a few days ago). Thanks for the comment.

[@victory98765]

These are su22 Fitters. India used Su7 only. Still, great effort!

[@showtime112]

I wasn't available at the time. There is a mod but all the links were dead so I thought it was out of date. A viewer sent me the files after the video was released.

[@victory98765]

@@showtime112 thanks.

[@Огњен-б8я]

Nisam bas cuo za ovaj konflikt, verovatno je konflikt bio oko teritorije kao i dan danas. Su-17 je meni jedan od drazih aviona, tada suhoi nije bio bolji od mig, danas je suhoi mnogo bolji a kompanija mig se raspada.

[@showtime112]

Započelo je pokretom za nezavisnost Istočnog Pakistana (današnjeg Bangladeša). Onda se Indija upetljala zbog progona Hindusa ali je Pakistan preventivno napao indijske aerodrome. Ova sedamnaestica bi zapravo trebala biti sedmica samo ju nisam imao. MiG je i danas skoro sinonim za ruskog lovca ali to je sve stara slava, točno. Hvala na komentaru.

[@ashoksharma6170]

Not a great story because if I do remember paf not been able to execute the targets and in some cases dumps the ammunition in open fields.

[@mawas6801]

Risalpur not Risalwala I think 🤔

[@AAdab77]

Pakistan never had MIG19 but its chinese varient F6.

[@showtime112]

Same thing. To most people, those are MiG-19s. Their Chinese designation is less important. Vietnamese models also came from China but Istvan Toperczer calles them MiG-19s and not F-6. Or sometimes they are called J-6 as well. Just terminology.

[@AAdab77]

@@showtime112 I understand your point and saw it in your description too later. Still a nice share.

[@xx_saadi]

Why didn't PAF pilot use missiles?

[@cartersmith8560]

MiG 19s were short ranged

[@airsoftmalife624]

Odlično, predivno! Dobro veće! Imam pitanje, pronašao sam neki HOTAS za 30€ sa dostavom. Isplati li se kupiti ga?

[@showtime112]

Hvala!. Što se tiče joysticka, u pravilu se cijene kreću bitno više od toga. Teško je reći ovako kakva je uopće kvaliteta i koliko će trajati. U osnovi, bilo kakav joystick bi trebao biti bolji od tastature.

[@airsoftmalife624]

@@showtime112 Okej! Znaći uzimam ovaj za požetak.

[@showtime112]

@@airsoftmalife624 Probaj s time. Opet, teško je reći koliko dugo će trajati.

[@airsoftmalife624]

@@showtime112 Ma, nek potraje barem mjesec dva, do tada već imam novce za neki bolji.

[@showtime112]

@@airsoftmalife624 😁

[@TheQuestionMarkWasEmphasized]

Could someone tell me the name of the interview channel mentioned at the start of the video? I can't seem to find it.

[@showtime112]

It's Aircrew Interview. Also, there's the direct link to the interview in video description.

[@renatoandricevic8638]

👌

[@showtime112]

Hvala na komentaru!

[@clintwestwood5187]

Seems like all IAF planes were simply there for PAF to practice target shooting ...does the IAF know how to fight or does it simply know to fly as targets if we go by your videos? ?

[@showtime112]

Oh please, talk to the guy who recently 'warned the viewers' that this was an Indian channel in disguise spreading Indian propaganda, or something along those lines 😁

[@healinghuman7134]

@Showtime112 all videos are beautiful please have a video on F-104 vs Mystere it was a huge air to air combat !! Sq Leader Devvyaa a great aviator .... @showtime112 if there are Mig 23 BN, or Mig 27 Flogger make videos on the Indo Pak Kargil conflict !!!

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment! Your suggestion sound interesting but limited assets in DCS make it kinda hard to do. F-104 exists as a mod with 'borrowed' cockpit so it's only good for external shots. Mystere doesn't exist. Sabre is kinda similar but Pakistan used Sabres so that would be a bit weird. From the Indo-Pakistani conflicts, there is the MiG-19, MiS-21 (although a later variant) and F-86 Sabre. There are F-104 and Su-7 mods and it seems we might have a Hunter some day.

[@ВуксаДинаре-ф7ю]

💪💪💪💪💪

[@showtime112]

😉

[@ВуксаДинаре-ф7ю]

@@showtime112 hoćeš li praviti nešto o kašmirskom ratu 1999 ? Bilo bi jako zanimljivo

[@showtime112]

@@ВуксаДинаре-ф7ю To zvuči dosta obećavajuće. Doduše, morao bih prvo pronaći nešto više detalja o upotrebi avijacije. Imam samo neku osnovnu predodžbu. Ali ako nešto iskopam, ide u plan i program!

[@ВуксаДинаре-ф7ю]

@@showtime112 zdravo bio ;)

[@AAAA-gp3vk]

These are old mig19s...PAF flew newer versions

[@showtime112]

Don't look for a 100% percent accuracy here. It's impossible. There will never be a simulation with every single type in every single variant and modification. It would take centuries to produce.

[@rashidbhai7547]

Do You Have Pakistani Pilot MM Alam Historical Fight With Indian if you have please send me

[@showtime112]

No, I think he was fighting Hunters and we don't have them in DCS.

[@theleninist4272]

Those Sukhois are SU-22 , in 1971 India only used the SU-7.

[@showtime112]

Actually, they are Su-17s. But they are the only one of the Fitter family available in DCS World so I approximated it.

[@nonyabuziness1582]

This Pakistani pilot was terrible... Never drop fuel tanks when chasing a bandit in afterburner, especially one that doesn't know you are there... And aim above them to compensate for the round drop on the cannons when you forget to uncage your sight and always engage the trailer first...

[@showtime112]

Well, he was young and excited. One of the reasons I like this story is that it's real. Military aviation is not only about aces and shooting enemies down. It's also about situations such as this one.

[@shashank99341]

Check this out

[@maikbanner7552]

That's not a Sukhoi 7, it is a Sukhoi 17 or 22.

[@showtime112]

True. What do you think, why that's so?

[@maikbanner7552]

@@showtime112 May be the Combat Simulator does not have the Sukhoi SU-7 module loaded. Surprised that he could not down a sluggish slow turning Sukhoi SU-7.

[@showtime112]

@@maikbanner7552 DCS doesn't have Su-7 as a standard asset. There's a mod, a rather old one and when I was looking for it, all the download links were dead so I used Su-17 as a stand in. A viewer sent me a link for Su-7 after this video. As for the surprise, that is the point of the whole story. Pakistani pilot forgot to switch the gunsight to gyro mode in his excitement. That's why he missed so badly and only figured out his mistake after returning to the base.

[@maikbanner7552]

@@showtime112 Even if he shot it down, nothing great. Su-7 is a High Speed Aircraft, not good at low altitude, though capable of High speed.

[@showtime112]

@@maikbanner7552 Air to air kills are rare in jet age. And they extremely rarely come as a result of an elaborate dogfight. Most of them are much more like this. And the Sukhois would have escaped thanks to their speed if the Pakistani pilot hadn't been reckless and chased them far too long. He only made it back on fumes.

[@mianzahidmahmood]

SU-7s Not 22s

[@showtime112]

This is actually Su-17. But it was only used because Su-7 wasn't available so this is an approximation.

[@shahryarkhan7375]

That is j-6. actually

[@showtime112]

That's what they are called by the Chinese. But export designation is F-6 and that's what Tahir Alam used in his interview. But really, it's a MiG-19 😊

[@abdullahjawed7596]

F-6

[@mohamedanwer2553]

💐🇵🇰💐

[@kk-cn6iq]

Show time , are you Pakistani ?

[@mudassarrahman2819]

Pakistan Zindabad Make More videos on Pakistan Air Force to Increase subscriber and viewer

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment! I will try to make videos about Pakistani Air Force when I find some cool stories involving modules I have (F-86, MiG-19, F-16.....)

[@mudassarrahman2819]

@@showtime112 F 86 World Record is shot down 5 jets less then in minute in 1965 pilot name mm alam

[@Deadpool-rw1pk]

@@mudassarrahman2819 wow! But this is mathematically impossible isn't it?

[@mudassarrahman2819]

@@Deadpool-rw1pk M M Alam (Little Dragon). Hailed from Pakistan. Legend of PAF and national hero. 18 March is his death anniversary. During 1965 war he downed 9 Indian fighter jets, 4 of which he destroyed in his F-86 Sabre on Sept 7 within 30 seconds. An unbeaten world record.

[@Deadpool-rw1pk]

@@mudassarrahman2819 cool! That's actually impressive, but I did some research and found out that mm alam shot down 3 Indian jets , not 9 and that took him more than a minute , because thats mathematicaly and practically impossible. But indeed, he was a great PAF pilot.

[@touchofevil3608]

It's not with that kind of pilot you can win a war...😑

[@showtime112]

He was young, eager and inexperienced. You can find those in any air force.

[@touchofevil3608]

@@showtime112 It depends of the pilots formation. In OTAN, with 180h/year/pilot, it should be difficult to see that kind of mistake, though mistake is human. But clearly in western countries pilots level is higher, except for Russia and Israël.

[@showtime112]

@@touchofevil3608 Generally, that's true. Plus, there's probably less of a 'political' influence on pilots' careers.

[@touchofevil3608]

@@showtime112 Anyway your videos are great, seriously. Could you do one about Turkish F16D shot down by Greek Mirage 2000 in 96 ? The only official loss of a F16 in a dogfight and the only one victory of a Mirage 2000. Thank you very much ! I personnaly am an armourer on French Rafale.😉

[@showtime112]

@@touchofevil3608 I'm glad you like the videos. Mirage vs F-16 is a very good idea, I'll see what I can found about this subject. I have recently received a lot of attention from India and Pakistan. Maybe I can now stir some trouble between Greeks and Turks 😁 Cool job you have! I'm from Croatia, our air force is buying Rafales. Used ones so it might be some you worked on.

[@SwordofDivision]

The AI is as dumb as a bucket of...rivets.

[@showtime112]

Actually, they were set to 'ignore threat' so that they replicate behavior of real pilots in this situation. Escaping at high speed and low altitude was actually the best tactics. Alam only caught up with them because he wasn't thinking about his fuel state. I think many DCS players or viewers of certain YT channels covering it would be surprised to know that in reality, pilots much more often chose to disengage from combat instead of dogfighting.

[@SwordofDivision]

@@showtime112 Thanks for clearing that up.

[@ИзяСахаревич]

валенок

[@merlingt1]

“Ambitious and rubbish”