DCUO: Artifact Swapping Drama?

Lets dive into what the controversy is in the community regarding artifact swapping.
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[@emersonalvarado6149]

My main problem with art swapping is that it's just not fun who wants to go in a menu every couple seconds.

[@szire7404]

Its an End-game player thing. Only for people that want to be at their max potential for roles/dps. If your a casual player of course it would be boring

[@zer0strike176]

@@szire7404 I'm an End game player and it's really boring

[@szire7404]

@@zer0strike176 you can be an endgame player and not art swap and be perfectly fine. But like I said you wont be at your maximum efficiency. To me having peak performance at your role is fun. Its not much of a hassle art swapping either. It takes less than 2 seconds quite literally

[@csnyder6997]

Exactly

[@Stizzfoshizz]

@@szire7404 huge difference between endgame player and try hard though.

[@alsahchinz]

Nah am a gadget controller and am not going to be swapping shit. Am not going to be consistently opening my inventory every 10-14 sec to be doing this.

[@untamedsab5497]

For me, it comes to two issues: 1. As someone already stated, this is trash to spectate. And while spectating in and of itself isn't important, it's an indication that the majority of people would not see this as the first gameplay of DCUO or thinking of returning to DCUO and think "wow, this looks fun, I want to play inventory simulator". Stark difference between this and watching T4/T5 era. I have never seen a game where optimal play completely trashes the fun of the game and it makes unrecognizable compared to any other previous iteration or meta that has existed in the game. Even if I wanted to come back, I'm not playing this butchered ass remnant of the controller role. Switching gear/items has always been a thing, but at no point has it ever been optimal to spend 40% of your gameplay in your inventory. And no game has ever, /ever/ had swapping of gear/items to this level. That, in and of itself, should be indication something is majorly flawed. That you have branched in gameplay significantly from other games in the same genre, and are getting negative feedback, and your gameplay is suffering. I could only imagine a dev on a stage at a big convention advertising dcuo's high skill gameplay trying to hype shit up and half of it is in the inventory. That's just a big "N-gga, no." moment. 2. At no point have I ever had to spend what is likely $1000+ or exploits to get 12 200 artifacts to be the best controller possible. That is a ridiculously high investment to be the most optimal anything. And said investment is only going to get higher. While controlling may be the worst example now, it's only going to snowball and get worse over time if nothing is changed. Eventually controller will have 15-16+, and dps's and healers will be where controller is. Healer->art swap to summon a pet HoT-> art swap to do a group shield -> art swap to a lay a base HoT -> art swap to put a safety net heal on everyone -> art swap to increase everyone's health from using a priority heal -> art swap to gain power back every time you cast a group heal or priority heal -> art swap to lower your shield cooldowns -> art swap to start a burst of nature-like heals that last for 5s -> art swap to put a HoT on all pets in combat -> art swap to shield all pets in combat. These stupid ass effects can just get just stacked repeatedly and they can make clones for other roles. Art swap to summon a pet to transfer damage to -> art swap to shield yourself after doing a group pull -> art swap to put a shield on everyone -> art swap to gain power back every time you do a pull -> art swap to get a HoT every time you do a pull -> art swap to make your revive timer longer before it expires -> art swap to be immune to death, and if your health reaches 1, become invul for 10s, has 10min cd. The more artifacts they add, the stupider these effects are going to get. At some point you probably won't be able to do a weapon combo between and you'll just stay in your inventory coming out to only do 1 animation and only PC macro's that automate it will be optimal because of time constraints. This is the same snowball as skill points where the gap between the playerbase based on irl money is going to start gapping performance. You can do alt accounts in order to cheese time capsules, but you can't use alts to cheese artifact XP to get a bunch of 200's for free. We're gonna look up in 2024 and a new player will be told that max stats is 1000 skill points and they need to have 25-30 200 artifacts to be optimal at each of their roles. DC doesn't have a catchup mechanic for artifacts nor skill points, the wider that gap gets, the worse it's going to be. Heading into Diablo territory where of course there's going to be a lot of bitching, especially when you start to alienate people that weren't alienated before.

[@ObsidianChill]

no doubt this is a greater symptom of the destroyed controller role in this game. Good to see ya as well :D

[@untamedsab5497]

@@ObsidianChill i had a friend tell me they were quitting and mentioned artifact swapping so I had to see what was up xD

[@ObsidianChill]

@@untamedsab5497 Its ok for DPS and its really rare for a healer or tank to do it but since there is nothing for a controller to do they started trying to maximize all the possible buffs. Its not widespread prob less than 0.01% of players doing it. Swapping DPS arts comes way more down to skill so that it isn't an actual damage loss and then its usually just 1 art every 12s for when a EoG is proc'd with a SC to swap in scrap.

[@robinalvarenga807]

Damn woe you forgot to put it in MLA format

[@untamedsab5497]

@@ObsidianChill Sidenote, got to thinking about why it was such a pain in the ass to level artifacts and realized that it was really only made easier during double artifact xp. And even though through the month you get artifact xp for the login rewards, I would assume most people save it for double. Which means you never get to rank up new artifacts meaningfully without $ throughout the year. It's more of playing catch up with double artifact xp. Do you think it would be possible to ask if they can do a double artifact xp day/weekend at the end of each month? or to make a token as like a 25 day login reward that doubles your artifact xp for a given time period like a renown booster?

[@IconicSimulation]

They don't want a 4th slot, but is ok with swapping arts which is much worse and equals more than 4 slots of buffs. I've seen the argument, " if you can switch a weapon you should be able to keep switching your artifacts". Weapons do not carry their own passive buffs, percentage stat buffs, and special abilities. Not ever the same neighborhood. It's like comparing apples to oranges. I think a 4th slot with disabled stat buffs should be added, with artifacts locked in combat. You may ask, " why can't I get the buffs/abilities I paid for?" Because you are only meant to run 3, thats how it was intended. If the devs wanted all your artifacts to buff you all at once, while sitting in your inventory, they would have made it that way. They want you to find synergies between artifacts and CHOOSE between the ones you have. You want to use more buffs, but oppose a 4th slot, it's beyond me why. Just goes to show the hypocrisy at play. I hope it's dealt with soon.

[@ObsidianChill]

The artifacts were designed with having their effects last 12s with or without the artifact equipped though. If they want to change that by all means but to say its not intended when every single buff artifact ability works as such is not accurate.

[@IconicSimulation]

@@ObsidianChill The devs had said they did not forsee the use of artifacts in this way. Just because it works, doesn't mean it's not broken and not intended. It just means you are taking advantage of an unintended perk, which can be later fixed if the devs, deemed so.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@IconicSimulation fixed ie the actual abilities lasting 12s whether they are equipped or not. Removing the ability to swap or adding a 4th slot is not how to fix artifacts. Which is why it is ludicrous to be suggested

[@IconicSimulation]

@@ObsidianChill Let's agree to disagree. I think swapping is ludicrous, but it's all in the perspective to whom it benefits or doesn't. So I'm sure the devs with eventually decide on the matter.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@IconicSimulation You don't need to art swap to complete content. Players don't want balance or they would be asking for artifacts themselves to get adjusted, but they aren't they are crying because they see players doing something they either can't or don't want to do and want to take that away from them. If EoG was fixed you wouldn't need to swap in multiple DPS arts because the damage wouldn't be broken from using EoG but no, not talking about that we are talking about artifact swapping.

[@shawnanderson3062]

The answer is simple. Remove the 12 second effect when the artifact is removed from a slot. You only get effects benefits from the 3 slotted at any time. You can still swap, but you cant benefit from 6+ artifact at same time, just 3. Just my opinion. thanks and haveagood1

[@SLFeaRz]

If you’re streaming or making content at all, artifact swapping takes away so much from the actual gameplay for a viewer. Anyone artifact swapping like I just witnessed is getting turned off in 10 seconds 🤣

[@ObsidianChill]

Completely fair point

[@blackroyaltymgmt5195]

Obsidian states that a 4th slot would create balance issues, but how is that any different when you're artifact swapping anyway?? Im all for the 4th artifact slot.. There is no real evidence of his claim that it'll create an imbalance issue with the game when artifact swapping is ESSENTIALLY the same thing.. DEVS make 4th artifact slot PLEASE! ASAP!

[@ObsidianChill]

Locking artifact slots gives zero incentive for players to level more of the 41 artifacts available to them, DCUO would never intentionally impact one of their revenue streams. So if they add a 4th slot it we still would be able to swap arts and then players will have trans-strat-eog-scrap active 100% of the time and are free to do whatever other swaps they want

[@blackroyaltymgmt5195]

@@ObsidianChill again you have no evidence that it would HARM the game.. just mere speculation and therefore there is NO REAL reason to not have a 4th slot.. Devs can easily make NPC have higher health pool if it gets outta hand.. besides 75% of the game is CLAMPED anyways.. might as well allow us to use a 4th artifact slot so those CLAMPED runs can go even faster... SIMPLE

[@ObsidianChill]

@@blackroyaltymgmt5195 what evidence do you have that artifact swapping harms the game? So you want the game to be entirely balanced around artifacts? LOL so if players don't have 4 artifacts they are basically just screwed because all the bosses and adds are designed around the fact we'll all have artifacts? that is the dumbest thing ive read in awhile.

[@blackroyaltymgmt5195]

@@ObsidianChill So why are you making a big deal about the 4th slot for artifact swapping if artifact swapping isn't a problem?? If artifact swapping is INDEED bad for the game then why are you abusing that strategy when running content? Make it make sense obsidian lol #Team4thSlot

[@ObsidianChill]

@@blackroyaltymgmt5195 Because players aren't going to accept that artifacts will have to be nerfed if a 4th slot is added because it will break content. Nor are they going to accept that content be designed with players having 4 artifacts because then the game literally becomes artifacts2win. You don't even need max arts to complete content, there are videos of players tanking elite with 0 artifacts. Art swapping is a choice, if you don't do it who cares. Adding a 4th slot fundamentally changes the game, even with the stats alone we will all see thousands of stats increase and 4-5% increases on top of that on stats even before you take the extra abilities into question

[@Stizzfoshizz]

Im just happy with whatever makes Trade Chat meltdown. So make artifacts unswappable while in combat lol

[@monkeyboy0197]

Fairest easiest solution. Give everyone a 4th slot and lock artifact swapping. Thing logically about it. Swapping players are technically using a minimum of 4 artifacts already, and most swappers are using 8 to 12 artifacts buffs at a time. While the rest of the community, non swappers or even new players are only using 3 artifacts total. @Obsidianchill how can you talk about balance when some players are using 3 artifacts at a time and others players are using 12 artifacts at a time? Balance means equal... How is a raid group of 8 non swappers having a combined 24 artifacts in the raid [3 artifacts per player] equal to a swapping raid group of 8 with a potentially over 50 active artifacts in the same raid? That's over double not balance. I know all swappers don't swap 12 artifacts, but the good dps swappers are swapping 5 to 6 total for prec and 8 to 9 total for might. While everyone else is using only 3. The normal raid groups of non swappers will improve and do better with 4 artifacts slots, but it still won't be easy, while the artifact swapping raid groups will STRUGGLE being locked with 4 artifacts because they can only dps with 4 artifacts now instead of like 8. Not to mention your precious troll isn't buffing the group with 12 artifacts... The swapping groups will struggle when the dps is using only 4 instead of 8 to 12. Balance means everyone uses the same number of artifacts. not some people use 3 artifacts, some people use 5 artifacts, some people use 8 artifacts, some people use 12 artifacts.. Wether its 3 or 4 slots total is besides the point!!! And that wont affect the balance at all, as long as everyone is using the same amount of artifacts. What affects the balance already and why dcuo is toxic is because most people using 3 artifacts while others are using 12.

[@johnnythegunner1965]

I agree. no way a 4th slot is more unbalanced than swapping. most swap players would lose massive damage when not using double to triple the artifacts as everyone else. where as the increase from 3 to 4 slots will be minimal. especially when compared to people using 12 artifacts

[@dcuozeus7066]

Facts I agree 100 percent. No wonder the group's are beating elite so easily when your troll has 12 artifacts and your dps has 9 artifac. What a joke

[@Joffensive]

Dude is in his inventory half the fight lol. That’s just to much. I think for the health of the game and players they should lock arts in combat. You can still change them fight to fight but what this dude is doing is to much. Also that shit is for sure not fun or my idea of smooth gameplay.

[@ObsidianChill]

watching yes, if someone was doing this and streaming it prob wouldn't be a great viewing experience but its not always going to be in video format. You in the group would have no idea the controller is doing this unless you saw after the fact.

[@Joffensive]

@@ObsidianChill I'm not even talking about fun to watch, I mean fun to do and game play wise its kinda ass. I'm usually not one to restrict players for doing extra stuff but that kind of art swapping is over the top. Also from a balance pov now and with future arts that can cause issues. I know you don't do it that much with dps but imo I still think you should have to use whats on your bar in a fight only. That way you could work more as a team but I know that doesn't happen much in dc cause everyone has to be top dps.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@Joffensive if the artifacts were corrected where their effects didn't last for 12s if it was equipped or not it would eliminate alot of those extra art swap combinations and leave just the main ones which are much more reasonable

[@marqusiq5597]

YOU know i dont mind the art swapping cause it does give benefits but the problem is when it becomes the " Meta " or they try and push that on you because the group or " they " are lacking. Thats where it tends to be a problem

[@ObsidianChill]

Something like this will never become the meta for controllers because the money investment isn’t realistic. Swapping 1 art, even what I do as a controller etc, is what could become more encouraged

[@marqusiq5597]

@@ObsidianChill As much as i really want to believe that i truly do but this is dc we re talking about they be changing things so much & they said the same thing about eye of Gemini and you know how that played out...

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@marqusiq5597 bro bro bro what don’t u people understand man, EOG is 1 artifact 1 Uno 1, The shit obsidian chill showed in his video consisted of 2 rows of full 200 artifacts. EOG doesn’t require 200 to be able to feed the group constant super charges and doesn’t require to be art swapped. So therefore it can easily become a meta artifact and also EOG can be used for every single role in the game. This artifact swapping stuff for controllers, it’s very very different. It requires Not only mostly 200 artifacts it also requires either a P5 or a PC. Speaking from Controllers POV realistically u only Need COG, CLAW, TETRA, RAO, to buff troll with no problem. The video obsidian showed FT. Karaoke it’s The endgame version of the full potential of artifact swapping. I can’t even named 10 players that swap as much as karaoke because nobody in they right mind paying for all them arts lol. Not to knock karaoke he’s nice but the shit he doing can’t become a meta for the entire game because it requires an insane amount of money. There’s still people walking around with green artifacts dawg 🤣 This can’t become a world wide meta

[@marqusiq5597]

@@ZeoDcuo I def get the part about what your saying but it doesnt matter if its 1 artifact vs 20 // swapping is swapping, & trust and believe there are players that will literally try to call you out because your not swapping .I know because i am a lfg pug runner all the time and it does happen

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@marqusiq5597 u not hearing me 🤦‍♂️ Eog doesn’t need to be swapped bro it’s literally able to fit in the 3 slots

[@BigMarv50]

At least I’m not the only one who thinks artifact swapping sounds tedious as hell and unappealing. If I wanted to play an over complicated load out character I have to constantly mess with I’d still be playing FFXIV

[@giosantt]

Art swapping is just too much of a hassle even for me being on PC. Idc if i’m able to get a supercharge in quicker as long as i’m up there in dps and get the job done

[@Amongoose06]

Yea i feel it's only used by scoreboard chasers.

[@nothinghereligma3363]

"IDC as long as I'm up there in dps" lol

[@LawTheStryker]

Stuff like this make new players want to stick to Call of Duty.

[@Superpatriot]

Knowing the mentality behind the way this game has been maintained for the past 11 years, I can predict what is going to happen if this continues to become a big issue. They will add a 4th artifact slot and then lock them while you're in combat or have an effect/buff active. This game feeds on the people who take the time to get really good at it and showcase those skills, but it lives by the casual players who want to be able to just walk through content day one. The sacrifice the former to appease the latter every time when they should be maintaining the game by the words Spytle used years ago when people were crying about not being able to beat OC raids. "Get good."

[@eddyv812]

I dont think art swapping is what the devs have wanted the gameplay to be like Its unbalanced and gives many players an unfair advantage simply for playing on a certain platform I think the best outcome is to keep arts from being swapped during combat just like your loadout is so that its more skillful on when and where you should be using certain art builds the gameplay is clunky and doesnt feel smooth when you are literally looking at your inventory more than the actually game and for that reason i think it isnt something the devs really wanted

[@ObsidianChill]

what about precision based players being able to swap weapons mid combat? its unbalanced and gives players an unfair advantage over might (as an example) where you do draw the line? you just lock everything to do with a player? what is the point of playing or the game offering us multiple artifacts or allies? we have 40 of them and are only allowed to use 3 and can't be refunded for any extra ones we have?

[@KingXhuntR]

@@ObsidianChill u cant be serious, not hating , just suprised, most games with tons of powers, classes, buffs, skills, potions, u still have to choose.. its called a build. that what makes character unique. all this swap this swap that is clunky because its not a mechanic, its players doing wierd stuff, same as clipping. thats why might seems so bad. it borderline bugs and gliching

[@ObsidianChill]

@@KingXhuntR inventory swapping has been in the game since utility belts came out in 2012. It is a mechanic that you have access to your inventory during combat is it not? We can open our inventory to change henchmen or supply drop etc how is that not applicable to artifacts? Artifacts are in our inventory and we have full access to our inventory during combat

[@jdjdufu7116]

@@ObsidianChill They should make all Artifact‘s that you own ( in the Inventory) Active that would solve all our Problems 💕

[@Sam5D]

@@ObsidianChill comparing artifacts to weapons and trinkets is a pretty bad comparison one is extremely pay to win the other isn't

[@ZeeDahktah]

Lol! This is try hard Olympics level ridiculous.

[@ZeeDahktah]

I just keep a power troll and a buff troll armory available and switch as needed. That’s as far as I go with it.

[@inkXIV]

Don’t touch art swapping bru , let trolls have fun ion wanna go back to being a debuff slave. Thank you.

[@Yvtq8K3n]

Im against art swapping. I like to see clean gameplay. If you go watch a twitch stream of dcuo and 24/7 you seeing someone opening his inventory to do an art swap, something is wrong. Personally I would rather read a restaurant menu then stare at someone's inventory. If we address all the game breaking issues that arti fact swapping causes, again we would be here all day, So my point is I'm 200% against artifact swapping as it currently is. If they had a mechanic that allowed you to switch your artifact through gameplay, that would be a different story. I imagine a similar interaction like what we currently have with armories, but with a low cd or for example a fixed rotation. (Artifact A -> B -> C -> A)

[@zer0strike176]

That is an excellent point my problem is I want to be focused and present in the content not in my inventory every 6 seconds. If they found a way to make it part of the gameplay where I didn't have to go into my inventory to swap stuff I'd have no problems learning how to play that way

[@OG_MeNToR]

So your excellent point is that you don't want artifact swaps because you don't want to watch someone else swap on a stream all the time? Does that effect you when you play the game though? I don't think so?

[@Yvtq8K3n]

@@OG_MeNToR 1) Exactly. 2) It's bad for the game 3) Not in the slightest I am a tank, I don't artifact swap.

[@SlapTraxxx]

@@Yvtq8K3n don't you always have the option to not watch them stream? or are you being forced?

[@zer0strike176]

@@OG_MeNToR you spend way too much time in your inventory and we already know the community is gonna get so dependent on Trolls and Dps art swapping it's gonna become meta

[@Diversagon]

They should make it to where you only get the benefits if it’s in your loadout, once you swap it cancels

[@tokeytime7432]

I wasn't even aware that this was a thing. I just came back to the game a little bit ago. I can't imagine that this is what the devs intended for artifacts. I get it, they spent all that money (or time, haha!) on the artifacts so they don't want to be locked out of switching but it just seems so unnatural.

[@Diversagon]

@@tokeytime7432 because it is, these KZbinrs/players are to afraid to admit the game is at a point where it’s more so for money then it is to actually sit and enjoy the game, this game wholeheartedly needs to be shut down or completely remove 50% of the shit that’s primarily there to take our money.

[@solofundz1702]

they should add a 5-10second cooldown to the art to prevent swapping like they do with build cooldowns

[@joedebeasso6586]

I am sorry, it can be the meta or not, but I refuse to swap, I am on DC to have fun and run instances, and usually troll. I am not there to spend half the game in my inventory, and honestly, if someone is spending half the time in the inventory worrying about swapping arts, how are they paying attention to what's going on in the run?

[@jordanmattiuzzo1753]

I saw someone today looking for an art swapping dps for DWFe

[@kungfootmaster]

How sweaty you gotta be to art swap smh

[@DarkKnightwing]

If you ask me, art swapping is exploiting. Hard locking it is the answer. Saying we shouldn't lock arts just cuz we have a lot of them isn't a good point. Also saying ppl will only use 3 arts isn't a good point either. They have talked about reworking past arts. The meta does change.

[@ObsidianChill]

We can swap our weapon, gear, trinkets, white mods all mid combat since 2012 but all of a sudden if you apply that to artifacts its an exploit? how does that make any sense

[@DarkKnightwing]

@@ObsidianChill who actually swaps gear and white mods during combat lol it wasn't a problem. Also, I think it is clear that those items you just laid out are not as game changing as an artifact is.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@DarkKnightwing swapping gear/mods was common during AM days because of the supercharged and critical mods. Now with players running multiple supercharges you can have different head mods and swap out your head to gain more SC regen. I'm about to show it in my Ice guide. The difference with game changing is not every player can or will do art swapping but put a 4th slot in and every player in the game gains a free new artifact.

[@DarkKnightwing]

@@ObsidianChill guess ppl would rather play dc inventory online 🤷

[@Keyshawn13]

You sound dumb lol almost every MMO you can swap gear or whatever mid combat 😅

[@MikeB-mo1tk]

The only thing that made dcuo better than other, better managed , mmo's was the fast pace combat and the iconic styles. Soon this game will be down to 20 people. 10 whales and 10 players who glitched all their arts.

[@rockjm9876543210]

I stopped trolling once this art swap became meta. I rather just dps and let another person do all those swaps to buff the group.

[@icedcuo1229]

Idk how I feel about it. As long as it's not forced into groups I dont care.

[@jnosnk]

Ay bro that gameplay was 60% inventory on Ur screen... Is that what u call fun gameplay ? U don't see the issue ?! Elite groups are gonna be askin this and deff suggesting it.

[@ObsidianChill]

Depends on a players definition of fun, some controllers or players would want to do everything they can to help the group. Which art swapping would accomplish with numerous buffs active at once

[@jnosnk]

@@ObsidianChill so we are making everyone have this as the new standard just because some players might enjoy looking at their inventory more than the fight ? 'Some players' just enjoy being a full battery troll , are those people gonna find group is this is the standard ? Don't look like it

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@jnosnk "We" Aren’t making you do anything. You can play the game how you want to play art swapping or not. This isn’t the new normal It’s the what some players choose to do. If I’m running a reg raid I’m not finna swap or do anything extra because it isn’t needed. But if my group in elite would prefer more buffs than normal that I’ll proceed to grant their wish. At the end of the day it’s your choice rather to do any of this. Some groups don’t mind Battery Trolls, Some groups despise battery trolls. But at the end of the day you not being held at gun point to artifact swap. In the "Endgame" level of gameplay this artifact swapping is being seen more and more everyday. But it can’t become the new normal because it’s very expensive for everyday players such as myself. There’s only a handful of trolls that have all the artifacts 200 that obsidian chill showed in the beginning of the video

[@jnosnk]

@@ZeoDcuo thats very wishful thinking of you dawg I wish it were the case , tell me how often u see people spamming in lfg's for an EoG spamm healer ? That wasn't the norm too. If they lock arts , u get a ceiling to what u can expect from someone, and that someone can catch up. As of right now u gonna build all these 12 arts only for groups to ask you to have another one when new one comes up. Idk, think about it.

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@jnosnk Eog is a broken artifact in its self, They difference between Controller Art swapping and EOG is that Eog Is one art 1 singular art, Controller swapping contains multiple arts that are require to be 200 in order to be swapable and also is only optimal on Ps5 and PC bro. It requires to much for it to become a Meta. Now EOG doesn’t require a art swap with healers. It’s one art that’s already broken at 160 doesn’t need to be 200 like most of the troll arts. You can solo heal with EOG on and Spam super chargers at the same time. There’s no need for you to run full healing arts since u can solo with EOG on. That’s why Eog is a meta. It’s 1 art, Doesn’t decrees your overall healing, and it’s very very useful since Dps and trolls and get full super charge to also impact the group as well. EOG is a broken artifact hands down. And it doesn’t require 200 to be useful to the group. Eog and controller art swapping are very very different in multiple ways

[@Skilleee]

Hey there guys it's ObsidianChill, got another video for you today

[@lickuponherps]

I think a 4th art slot would work only if you can have 3 slots "active" and can swap on a timer bases. Like you can swap every 60-90 secs with the cooldown increasing each time before it resets, might offer more interesting mechanics to build around for content as well

[@drathmor1401]

yea no thanks to all that nonsence

[@zerox3448]

This is hilariously sweaty, but hey, players have to do what they have to do to optimize I guess. I just hope this style of play isn't forced on people due to how cumbersome this can be for console players.

[@Stizzfoshizz]

I’ve been in a few groups where the troll and low dps were called out for not swapping. Especially the trolls. It doesn’t happen a lot, but I’ve seen it happen

[@ObsidianChill]

It won’t get to the point where healer gem spam is a requirement because at the same time this is a huge $$ investment that cannot be realistic

[@brandonlong8638]

@@ObsidianChill mannn on US server the 1st thing they ask is for greens lolol. I'd say it's there ..Gemini is toooo damn meta on dps and heal side

[@zerox3448]

@@ObsidianChill I pray it doesn't, but either way a solution to this has to be implemented. Maybe lock the artifacts before you get into a fight, give them a 4th slot, or the community can drink some water and chill out and make sure this doesn't become a requirement as was already stated. I do find it hilarious that some players are essentially doing quick time events in their damn menus now lol.

[@macromedia999]

@@Stizzfoshizz swapping not the only reason most of the players are performing badly

[@SqueegeeLife]

I’ve been playing since launch. Closing in on 700sp. I’ve never bothered with artifact swapping. I am a Quantum controller however

[@zer0strike176]

The people who are bothered with swapping are the people who know how toxic and carried away this community gets and start throwing out the word Meta and forcing people to art swap

[@dependentmany8359]

Problem is, it’s an exploit. Devs didn’t see this coming because they don’t know how desperate players get. Personally I’m annoyed with the fact that I can be stronger by artifact swapping but I don’t want to open my inventory and block my whole screen during combat, it really ruins the game. If you don’t have the item equipped you shouldn’t be getting the item effect, simple as that.

[@resettheworld9881]

I’d be interested to hear from the devs. Did they intend for artifact effects to persist after removing them from your equipment? Also, the people capable of fully utilizing this are whales. Do we know how that affects their decisions?

[@dependentmany8359]

@@resettheworld9881 interesting, you could always log in on the forum and post there, even the devs answer your questions sometimes.

[@odinofasgard]

1: If you can do it on one game system and pretty much can't on another game system, that's a bad situation to create. 2: Clearly, this was not intended. I don't care one bit what the devs say about it now, but artifact swapping was not planned. 3: Games should be fun. Swapping is not fun. Inventory manipulation shouldn't be part of combat. 4: The longer this continues, the more artifact swapping will become expected. That's not good for the vast majority of people. 5: The idea that you don't have to do it if you don't want to is only true until they start tuning the difficulty around artifact swapping. And quite honestly, I suspect that's already begun. If it wasn't, the "elite players" wouldn't need to artifact swap to complete content. And that means, it's not longer optional.

[@ObsidianChill]

They can't tune content around artifacts because then the game would expect players to have multiple 200 arts which isn't right and shouldn't be that pay2win. Artifact swapping is something extra a player can do, similar to clipping, it allows players to take full advantage of the items they've leveled instead of having 15 useless artifacts in their inventory. How could the devs release 41 artifacts and expect players not to change multiple of them due to having just 3 slots. That is just a wasted investment at that point. If they eliminate swapping and lock inventory than I would as well as other players would have 100% every right to demand refunds for the use loss of money, xp and catalysts that went into artifacts we wouldn't ever use again. That is not only bad PR for them but also a dangerous precedent to set

[@odinofasgard]

@@ObsidianChill They've released more than 3 Allies, so how could they not expect you to Ally Swap? They've released more than 4 pets, so how could they not expect you to Pet Swap? They've released more than 4 Orbitals, so how could they not expect you to Orbital Swap? The exact same thing happens with every system in this game. Artifacts are the only area in which this is allowed. You can't use an Orbital, swap to a different one, and immediately use that Orbital. I sympathize with you have a dozen Artifacts fully leveled. But, no one forced you to do that. Content did not force you to do that in order to complete it. But, we're moving toward the point that Artifact Swapping will become expected or even required to complete the hardest content. So, while no one forced you to level a dozen Artifacts, (you) may very well be forcing everyone else to Artifact Swap to keep up in the future. If that doesn't happen, go ahead and Artifact Swap all you want. I just don't like the potential negative ramifications.

[@ObsidianChill]

@@odinofasgard Players do ally swap, there are plenty of moments in raids where you have enough time to swap allies. You can't do it in the middle of combat as fast as artifacts sure, but it is still done. The pets and orbitals is a silly analogy. They are they same item, sharing the same cooldown. You aren't swapping orbitals you are swapping styles between them. That is like saying you are able to swap a scrap of the soul cloak artifact with another scrap of the soul cloak, which you can't even do because you can't have duplicate artifacts, unlike pets and orbitals.

[@collinbell6558]

(I never switch out stuff on my character class unless it's 👍 armor and artifacts) I normally shield abilities and healing abilities so I go for what synergizes with them

[@froilaven]

I am quantum and i play on PS4 so i don't use artifact swapping. It is too time consuming trying to do that on PS4.

[@SqueegeeLife]

The only reason people want a swap between might and prec buff is scoreboard. And that’s made this game even more lame. I like artifacts but this is close to jumping the shark.

[@zer0strike176]

You make a good point I wouldn't mind the art swapping if it promoted more teamwork but all this art swapping is really for is so DPS can chase the damage score card what other role really benefits from all that swapping?

[@FLUXXEUS]

I'm still wondering WTF that top right slot is used for, it's been in the game since the start 😂

[@XSuperGirlyX]

♥️♥️♥️

[@DeneM]

To me, it should be limited in combat.. not locked, just not constantly doable during a fight, like armories, there's a longer cooldown during combat but it's doable.. this keeps it as an option but tempers it.. If this is allowed, mean why not just let us swap loudout powers too, then? Imagine how that'd go lol

[@josevega12093]

This just helps a ton especially in carrying lfg players who don't even have the arts , knowledge , or they have lack of survivability

[@Butterfly_Siren]

The problem isn't artifact swapping it's the issue of that the DC community doesn't know how to operate on personal option it becomes a meta that gets pushed in to or forced onto people and regardless of how good of a player they may be they get punished for not doing the meta and that's the issue.

[@zer0strike176]

This is Exactly what the issue is if swapping would stay optional than I'd have no problem the bigger issue with swapping as DPS. if you aren't swapping it's almost impossible to keep up and then groups are going to look at the score card and blame you for the "Burn being slow"

[@macromedia999]

Run regular content that’s def optional

[@Butterfly_Siren]

@@macromedia999 LOL elite content has nothing to do with art swapping. You def don't need it to complete it smoothly or efficiently either. Maybe that would be your option.

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@macromedia999 THANK YOU LMFAO

[@macromedia999]

@@Butterfly_Siren never said it was needed for elite

[@LordElvyLendMeYourStrength]

its just the old people with arthritis crying about art swapping

[@nzblackbull0194]

So you are basically advocating for the exclusion of players who either cannot Art swap or don't like Art swapping from end game content? It is obvious this IS NOT what the developers had in mind.

[@sho6017]

i recently gotten a pc and i was wondering could i link my ps4 account onto it

[@franciscohahn9393]

That's an impressive arts swap, but from south america with 300+ ping to las vegas....is a no go. Basically i do it with the supply & orbital, but more i spend far more time waiting for the inventory to show up and also i have an amd card (yes, the engine has issues with some of those). For what i have seen it represents an important improvement on ur dps (or troll) but is not like a something really really necesary.

[@jamesmenzies402]

Put a forth slot thats not active and have a hot key like left on the D-pad for example and when your in combat rather the going into inventory you hit left it swaps art's hit it again to swap back would make it 100x better and you wouldn't need to worry about extra stats because 4th slot is just for swapping

[@jm-pc7qn]

In my opinion. You can't change your loadout wile in combat. art should apply the same way

[@ObsidianChill]

You can change your weapon in combat which greatly impacts precision dpsing though

[@i_huntbots_likeu4223]

Why not 0:26 Lock the arts during combat except for switching role during combat( armory).

[@hoottheowl6777]

I think the only solution is to add a 4th artifact slot. That should relatively cover things up.

[@Motivated-hk6cv]

1. I don't want a 4th Art Slot. 2. Idc about Art Swapping as long as I'm not forced to do it myself. 3. I don't really think it's "sweaty" if it gives some players more fun/-strategies to work with. From what I've seen mostly Controllers do it anyways, I have a Btroll toon with 2x200 Rao, ClawOfA, Magedon, which is enough for me. - No one told me to use or do this and that YET.

[@Raven078]

Thank you. SO much! 🤘 Saving!

[@guardianofthebeast1014]

Funny how you oppose 4th slot and art locking but not art swapping.

[@ObsidianChill]

Why is that funny? I don't want to inherent balance issues a 4th slot will bring and I don't want to lock anything because a) that has never been done before in 12 years of DCUO and there is nothing wrong with art swapping. The problem lies in the artifacts themselves. I suggest you educate yourself further

[@manofculture1594]

@@ObsidianChill the issues I see people having is that they think it’ll be majorly be required but I doubt that because if I make the group for raids or etc,I wouldn’t suggest that unless the person does it already then Idc

[@MrGhosty0091]

Just started playing, watching that gameplay made my head hurt but it's no different than any other game imo. Endgame players will always find a way to make the game systems bend to eek out that last percentage of power. I won't be bothering to learn this as I like to actually watch the fight happen and if that limits my access to group content then I've made the choice and get to live with the consequences. Props the people who can do this and stay alive in the combat though, it is impressive if ugly.

[@tinodadzz6932]

If the developers can create a way for us to swap arts without going into our inventory I’d be cool with it. As it is now, it’s hard to watch during stream. I think it’s a turnoff and many players are quitting because it’s messy. I’m not against swapping it just needs to be refined. With this refinement we may end up getting 3 addition slots

[@st1ngers104]

I've heard it all . This artifact mixed with this artifact. Or wrong move set exc.... None of this matter if you are not a good gamer. Period. Every good player has their own system that works for them, regardless of their system. In most cases the biggest problem in this game, is having the right team. That is what makes the biggest difference. I wish their was a way to fix this problem.

[@Suhtivah]

art swapping as a troll made the role fun again cba to swap in every single art but still overall its more enjoyable than spamming debuffs and power dumping like back before buff troll became a thing

[@zer0strike176]

I get where your coming from I kinda have fun with all the new options as troll but watching this video and watching how often he goes into his inventory your not even really playing the game anymore your in your inventory all day. If I have the choice how to play then it's fine but slowly but surely the community is going to try to force art swapping on everyone like they forced healers to run with EOG

[@JJdaSamuRai]

Yea I agree the only reason this shit exists is because way back in the games creation they even decided to make the controller role something no mmos for the most part ever had it was a made up role in its use case and you can see they ran out of ideas for it so they doubled down on this “buff” aspect when artifacts came out and I believe it was to try and bridge a gap in the roles uselessness in solo duo and alert content because before this controllers were a much weaker dps and that’s it. I think this is toxic but I would but the blame it on the shitty management of the role and game over the years not the players trying to find a way to make a useless role useful.

[@Suhtivah]

@@zer0strike176 i tried it on test server for sm and its honestly not even a hassle at all on pc you switch to and from inv so fast that it isnt really a big deal. but on live server i play on ps4 and i would never go to this extent but tbh almost everyone should be able to do one art swap as a troll its not that hard even on ps4

[@zer0strike176]

@@Suhtivah As a Troll I do enjoy swapping arts cause they made trolling so boring most powers don't even use that much power. I secretly miss the days when you needed 2 Trolls. But as a Tank DPS or Healer Art swapping is not fun to me because I don't want to be in my inventory for even 1 second while healing Tanking or Dpsing. Being in your inventory every 12 seconds should not be the way to Maximize your potential.

[@parse9442]

I understand having your own playstyle but this controversy just comes from people who dislike art swapping cause they think its hella sweaty and they’re feeling forced to do it. Nobody is making you guys do anything. Play how you want. Just stay out of certain groups that dont want your playstyle. Its also not hard whatsoever to press two buttons to switch out an artifact. Kara was probably half paying attention during this run. Yall just make everything harder than what it is.

[@parse9442]

And NO they should not add a 4th slot if balance is what you guys want

[@frankc3918]

I don't art swap and still do great I get asked if I'm swapping when I'm trolling. a 4th art should be good idea ridiculous how they make things harder and now elite plus a 4th art is a must honestly

[@Brunopatuno]

Yea I’m never gonna do an elite raid

[@oman4229]

Not being rude, but art swapping honestly don't matter lol. 1) The majority of players don't do it & don't care to do it. 2) no content in the game is balanced around it so it will NEVER be a mandatory thing for players 3) the players who are doing it (ARE ON YOUR TEAM) which gives you the benefit in content. So again it REALLY doesn't matter & nobody should care to have the devs waste their time trying to figure out how to change this when they can spend that time giving us quality content.

[@ObsidianChill]

not rude at all, you are speaking facts

[@duvarekdji5488]

As an avid user of swapping, I am against artifact swapping. It's more common than you think and it is has become a requirement for elite content and its not just for controllers but dps aswell. On the dps side you can double or even triple your numbers compared to someone with the same power and loadout within the same time. And if your roles are also swapping with greens and buffs then your group is basically speed hacking. I say and stick by this because I went into the E raid to demonstrate what I meant as electric. I took his load out and all I did was art swap. Long story short it was enough to discourage him from playing. I haven't seen him on dc since and he now plays BDO during the times he's normally on DC. What's messed up is he has like 8 200 artifacts and just walked away like it was nothing. This proved to me that it was wrong and many others would probably do the same if they knew just how big a gap it was. It probably didn't help that I and the other's in the group talked a bunch of shit on how shitty his dps was without swapping afterwards lol but even with the apology it wasn't enough. He says the fact that he's been playing so long and was doing the best in which his gameplay allowed and still got blown out like that wasn't fun or even believable. Now, swapping weapons and trinkets is fine because with weapons, it's not like your going from hitting 100k's to 200k's for 12 seconds when you swap its more like single target to Aoe damage or vice versa and trinkets is the same manner. However with artifacts, you gain benefits that transcends dcuo itself 🤣 🤣 🤣 I think imma go back gadgets prec 😆

[@dcuoearthl7767]

Why are people crying it literally benefits everyone it’s not like a exploit that only a certain power set can use or anything literally anyone can do it if healers got more supercharges throwing out eogs then burns better more supers for dps that also helps the tanks the trolls etc

[@iZargon7]

People art swap in Elite content so I don't have an issue with it. They're trying ways to be consistent in the missions. I can't see people do all of this kind of stuff in Reg too much. I use to do Orbital and Supply Drop art swap but that was it as a healer.

[@resettheworld9881]

Returning player. Content doesn’t seem to be balanced for this tactic. Missteps in game design will incentivize players to use this. But the game currently does not punish players for not using this. I see no problem.

[@jacobarango1316]

I usually art swap if I am the only healer running eog. I usually put in trans until my super move is charged then I put in eog pop my super charge and swap back in trans and repeat.

[@khrymsin9498]

My question is how he is allocating his skill points for this? Some arts are health heavy and some need vit

[@alphwn]

Full health then the rest into vit, usually needs 730+ sp to be able to fill both skills up

[@Sleepy-738]

Loll what does that mean swapping drama 🎭?

[@kipperjoness3864]

It may not be intentional but lately it feels like elite runs are built for the "art swappers" . don't get me wrong i do it when im tryin to burn as fast as possible but when there is 3 versions of elite and groups that don't swap can barely get through the 1st version, it feels catered to players that do things such as art swapping. Not to mention that 1 person swapping arts is going to double maybe even triple the other dps that don't swap, and the "non swappers" get called trash and 7 other people now think they are trash at dps, when the swapper was just trying really hard, i know 1st hand as i didn't have good arts a few months ago when i came back. @ObsidianChillDCUO, do you try random groups alot when running elite content? cause "LF EOG(role)" is very common on LFG. I have actually found myself telling leaguemates to start doing it with EOG just becuase its too strong to not do it. I'm kinda on the fence overall though cause if people wanna work that hard and hit 65 buttons in 30 secs then thats how they wanna play, but the gap between swapping and not swapping is to big to not have anything done, just don't know what.

[@SAUCEMANE]

I just hope they dont lock our loadouts while in combat to prevent us from swapping

[@StoicAssassin]

I’ve been trolling for a while and have videos on my page of art swapping, while Buff trolling. Not to this extent though. I agree with you though, no matter the role, if Art swapping is killing you then stop.

[@dungeondelversguild]

I have no issue with it. If your willing to swap back and forth so be it. i cnat handle that in combat. To distracting and time consuming.

[@wildlyfe3990]

As for the Xbox point, yes it’s easily doable but just like PlayStation you need atleast an Xbox series S to do it on old gen it’s way too slow, once I made the upgrade it became bread and butter, also awesome video I agree completely with all of your points.

[@ObsidianChill]

thanks for letting me know :)

[@wildlyfe3990]

@@ObsidianChill no problem if you have questions about Xbox server in general feel free to ask 🙏

[@peterc5794]

They will never touch art swapping, devs are all bout making money for them, art swapping makes dcuo money

[@1cheesemaster113]

Ain’t no way people really play like this all day, that’s super try hard

[@justinr1513]

For a game the developers literally practice with during their internship 😂

[@tgnars5554]

You can just make it so that you cant change arts in combat...

[@neoonecastle5338]

So all this time you are swapping. You got time to see what is going on in the raid. So much to do. Lol

[@user-fp7to2hp3x]

Tryhards will be tryhards no matter what, It’s not like this game has an evolved style of combat, let the whales and dedicated players min/max to their hearts desire

[@Sam5D]

The game is being milked I don't see them adding that ps5 graphics update the game has so many other problems they should fix allies and make them immune to all stuns

[@meremortals9960]

Show a vid with a ps4 troll..its doable but a headache cuz i sometimes go to my style screen sometimes..also if this does become meta the devs need to have more double xp weeks & have catalyst drop in game such as perfected nth metal & seals etc...

[@firsttheory8005]

OC I made a post on the forums about Cross Save + Cross play can U make a video abt it to get it some attention? I’m on switch and my server is dying. If I can move my toon to PC I’d love that

[@ObsidianChill]

I recall seeing that post. I’ll take a look :)

[@firsttheory8005]

@@ObsidianChill Thank you. With Xbox server support I think it could happen. Their server is just as dead as switch.. we need to b on PS/PC server bad

[@synjuro]

and people want a fourth artifact slot, anyway

[@baroqueworks1003]

I think it's part of maxing out your role, since you're not forced to do it. I agree 4th artifact slot would probably break things. Swapping is sort of a privilege for those who've spent money on more than 3 artifacts. Locking them would piss a lot of ppl off

[@Shiiesty]

I had to comment again lol. The casuals care about spectating the gameplay. Bro Its not y’all playing y’all just watching. Why do it matter? I don’t understand. The people who are against it, Why? You don’t have to art swap just stick to your 3 arts. Its ok. Let us Tryhards art swap in peace. It don’t effect how y’all play. We payed for them so we gone use them. Its that Simple. The people asking for a 4th slot, imagine they do add it & we still able to art swap. We still gonna do it 🤣

[@garcgu9571]

Artifact swapping is available to everyone, but not everyone can do it which is why it doesn’t need to be changed. You need skill to actually do all this swapping in content, the amount of times I’ve heard some say “I was in my inventory” after they’ve died is hilarious

[@garcgu9571]

And for those who are saying they don’t have enough nth or don’t want to spend 1000s of dollars on arts have not taken advantage of double xp. My friend is completely free to play and has well over 30 200 arts

[@paulthetexan]

You would need skill to have to solve quadratic equations in order to use powers, too, but just because something takes skill doesn't mean it's fun.

[@xJukestarx]

You also need lasso :)

[@Keyshawn13]

This whole thing is just dumb, people mad about how other people play/concept 😅 and mostvof them don't even play controller role. Just play the game.

[@kerronsinkia2925]

Artifact swapping shows that your a skill player so its not an issue cause i artifact swap for my main as troll so for me learning to swap through all that artifact is a challenge but i still does pull it off i enjoy swapping jus a set of haters that now join and cant even build dps role the easiest with artifact but against arts swapping something wrong with yall 🤣🤣🤣🤣 obsidian chill full support on that arts swapping for troll cause the group benefits from it

[@SageyXP]

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[@Top-Lip]

I used to spend years PvPing for fun in DS3 so artifact swapping isn't a new concept for me, I don't hate it and its not like trinket swapping hasnt been a thing since home turf either. In that game I'm used to juggling between over 6 weapons minimum regardless of what build i play, very fast while a human opponent is being aggressive, so understandably I can do it quite fast and efficiently on test server too for this game, transferable skills I guess. But I gotta say, arti swapping isn't really much of a skill gap in the first place, all you are doing really is opening inventory and pressing one button, and from a dps perspective, I actually think its quite a dumb meta. Trolls are practically playing inventory elite these days, probably don't even get to see the boss fights or mechanics anymore 😂 Theres some skill involved in taking certain artis off and then swapping them back on and maintaining uptime, but its primarily a credit card gap issue. I'd hate a 4th slot though, there's too many artis in the game which means we got way too many variables to balance and the devs are responsible for letting it get out of hand. Maybe the way to solve this is to give artifacts a tier system similar to the allies, so certain swap ins are much easier to level than the staple ones of a build. I wouldn't say take arti swapping out, its an extra layer to the gameplay but the approach needs to be making certain swap in artis more obtainable so everyone can do it, rather than it being a pay to win mechanic that only stands to benefit whales. Theres no reason why every arti in the game needs to go up to rank 200 either, its obnoxious when there are 41 of them and more to come in the future, and I'd prefer have a meta intrinsic to what you already have available in your powerset that revolves around clipping than a meta that revolves around a stupid amount of supplementary damage from equippable items that are mainly maxed with credit cards 🤐. It doesn't need to be removed, the artis themselves need adjustments, thats my take.

[@solareiusdeiu]

lol this game

[@MrSraluch]

Realy this is the problem ? when i log in to the game trade or LFG chats are full of who scamed who and for how much ! and its everyday for past few weeks . This freaking limits on 999 999 999 on broker and 2.1 b when you trade is the problem not swaping artifacts :) I saw many cool games falls becouse of economy ( money glitch/bug/exploids) and to be honest i hope this game gona fall as well becouse i never saw more full of shit devs with cherry on top community manager mr propaganda level hard ! At forum you cant say the truth becouse Mepps gona find paragraph from ass and block you like he did with my accounts and some of my friends so how they wana solve anything ? Look at you 10 years of hard work and 21 k subs if you swap the game and you did what you doing here you would be rich guy i tell you that ! and devs instead of kissing yours ass they peeing in yours face and its all becouse Spytle didnt know how to jump cancel .

[@ObsidianChill]

This is what the players on the forums find the issue to be. The money restrictions were due to previous exploits to prevent money duping.

[@Sam5D]

Im convinced the devs work with these gold traders sending them in game money collections and cosmetics

[@isthisnametaken9965]

If you can’t afford to level multiple arts stop getting mad others can. I would never level all these troll arts, I run the usual buff ones, however for dps I do art swap eog. I can’t get mad if others spend THEIR cash on arts, ya shouldn’t either

[@ariesrose5846]

swapping is just maxing out a roles potential. No one has to do it and it is not game breaking in any way.

[@Bowshier]

I just laugh at the shit talkers that only live for the scoreboard that swap! Since I got my Clarion maxed and Supes maxed I run DPS in Tank role and swap gem for heals and SC regen, basically a loadout for grp survivability but I’m still 90% the top of the damage leaderboard minus the god tier try hard end gamers, and in any alert or duo I’m usually now top in every category now, pretty much with support intentions! Art swapping is no biggie to me, many other issues need attention 1st! I feel if you spent time or money leveling with 1.6mil xp multiple times, do whatever the hell you want!

[@macromedia999]

Look mom am on yt

[@Killuminati911]

need inventory troll for tswe

[@inkXIV]

inv

[@SageyXP]

inv

[@ZeoDcuo]

Just like that man Not Vit said Controllers use to be strictly Debuff slaves border line the most boring role in the game it had no Rush no Impact on the group the refreshing debuffs and sitting there hitting instant power for 30 minutes 🤣 With this artifacts swapping Tech, It instantly made controllers so much more use because not only can they give full power, They can buff your Group to the absolute max within 10 seconds. Bro this artifact swapping stuff ain’t for everyone obviously but don’t try and ruin it for others just because "It’s to sweaty" "It’s to broken" "It’s not needed" "I don’t like it" Remember at the end of the day nobody it’s forcing you to do this, Controller artifact swapping is to expensive for it to become a Mainstream Meta across the board. So must people understand If you don’t swap 15 arts out in 10 seconds nobody gonna fault you for that dawg. And also the shit is locked behind a fat ass pay wall not only do u have to have most of these arts 200 to make them useful to swap, Like obsidian said this is only optimal on a PS5 or PC like I said to expensive for it to become world wide Meta on the Game

[@brandonlong8638]

Trolls have crazyyy influence in group runs now as it should be. A good troll who swears can titn an hour run into a 20 minute one

[@ZeoDcuo]

@@brandonlong8638 exactly bro, let the people do them. Endgame players are always gonna find away to max out the fullest potential of their character they have been doing it since the start of the game nothing new