What’s the Criteria to be a GOAT Rapper? | AskDEHH w/ Sophie

[@stuartkeating6508]

Criteria: Make a 1 or 2 solid albums and then die. It's a very risky marketing strategy, but it takes real balls to pull it off

[@ayeyobossman6151]

Seems to work though

[@lawfang2311]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this had me weak

[@Slesaint17]

X tried this one but he forgot to make the "solid" albums.

[@julianbufarull7602]

I mean if Kendrick died right now there'd be no question about who's the greatest.

[@matthewpershing5128]

@@Slesaint17 he made a solid album but he forgot to make it about street life so he's not a goat

[@Rcasey_20]

Everyone wants to be me smh

[@MrVIP1993]

LOL!

[@xjonathangreenx]

😂

[@awesome1990s]

The Goat I can't with you lol

[@4REALTHISTIME3030]

He ain’t the goat no more 😢

[@MrKing8050]

Creativity, Substance, Cultural impact, ability to evolve, Ex Kendrick Lamar

[@lynxcane]

MF DOOM as well

[@soberhippy8240]

Aesop rock

[@thefinessekid9335]

Andre 3000 is another good example of that

[@naruto1coolestfan]

has DOOM evolved that much tho

[@conndawg4335]

MrKing8050 I honestly don't even like Kanye that much, but he fits all that criteria without a doubt.

[@KurVibes]

That’s a surprise intro - haven’t seen Rod on camera in a while on DEHH haha. Thanks for the upload.

[@drummaniac30]

literally everyone sleeping on Black Thought. my top 3 in no particular order are Black Thought, MF DOOM, and Kendrick

[@ravenstorm579]

I believe that Aesop Rock absolutely deserves a spot in the conversation, to me one of the greatest lyricists of all time!

[@caiusrosales3548]

Raven Storm rocky yea if he lock in completely to rapping rocky can actually spit

[@ravenstorm579]

Caius Rose Aesop Rock not A$ap Rocky

[@shauncameron8390]

But this is about overall rapping, not lyricism alone. So no, Aesop Rock doesn't qualify.

[@shades4385]

He's in my top 5. He's incredible.

[@xamdamCO]

I don't believe I'm capable of making objective "best" lists. But I can do favorites. And as far as favorites go for me, there's Aesop Rock and then there's everyone else. I connect to his unique sounds far more deeply than any other form of music I've ever heard.

[@kingozboss]

I SEE THAT HARRY POTTER IN THE BACK B I ALWAYS KNEW YOU WAS A REAL ONE MODEST MEDIA

[@ModestMediaTube]

Omar Zahid lol yeah man, The Cursed Child script.

[@nikk796]

Consistency and creativity. That's all. that's why Andre 3000 and Kendrick Lamar are in my top 3.

[@nikk796]

Rakim or Kanye

[@chrisjfox8715]

Who is Andre 3000?

[@peeborice4629]

Nikhil Bhagat Kanye is definitely in my top 5.

[@nikk796]

Outkast member

[@tjtoodeep]

Nikhil Bhagat He a goat but nothing consistent about 3 stacks

[@munozjonathan86]

Can't be a GOAT without a classic and that's a fact.

[@Nazim909]

jonathan munoz no goat should be skill but also good music simply

[@iansmart4158]

Good thing Cole got 2 (and I ain't talkin about mixtapes or 2014 FHD).

[@NuisenceTV]

@@iansmart4158 which ones are those?

[@iansmart4158]

@@NuisenceTV Me Personally, I think 4YEO is a perfect Hip Hop Record. Legitimately perfect from top to bottom; emotional; heartfelt; and a lot more nuanced and thematically dense than ppl tend to give it credit for. Plus the music on that album is simply beautiful. And BORN SINNER. it's not nearly as perfect, but I think it defined a type of J Cole music that we didn't get before and I don't think we'll ever get again from him. For me, at least, I think he did on that album what Kanye attempted to do with Yeezus. Born Sinner and Yeezus feel very similar to me. Both are about ego, and sadness, and fragility, and both use dynamic voluminous sounds to get that point across; I think Cole's experiment with that is just more aesthetically pleasing.

[@RoddyRodbb]

dude there's a difference between being the best and being Great. People have to know who you are to be great and that's with everything. You can't just say a guy down the street is the greatest basketball of all time because he's the best in the hood

[@MrNightwing99]

Damn Sophie still fine

[@andreas0101]

"still" lol are you 12?

[@maxsmart9116]

And you still simpin

[@G4MR1]

gotem

[@RoddyRodbb]

STILL

[@jordantriplett5672]

I’m 3 years late and you ain’t lying she look like bae 😌

[@sjw4life546]

Tupac may not have the kind of verses that would make you say "rewind that son," but he had great bars. His lyrics are being taught in elite universities. For me, the criteria needed to be considered a goat is 1. Did you write your lyrics? and were those lyrics thought out? 2. Did you change the game in some way? "Damn, I want to rap like Rakim" 3. Did you have a cultural impact? "Harvard University offers courses using Tupac Shakur's Lyrics". 4. Do you have at least one classic album? 5. Did you have longevity? Longevity in the rap game meaning did you stay relevant for over five years? That is my personal criteria.

[@tawermeister99]

I mean music has to come into it. For me it’s great if you can rap. That’s a big part of it. But if your beats or your music isn’t good. Then I don’t want to know.

[@sjw4life546]

@@tawermeister99 that's understandable, although I personally put less of a premium on production. Nas is one of my top five favorite rappers of all time, and he's notorious for being a bad beat picker. Even he addressed that in a song

[@tawermeister99]

@@sjw4life546 I dunno. Stillmatic has some fire in there.

[@quiks.groove]

idk if anybody will see it, but I wanted to share my opinion Pac made me make that nasty face and say “rewind that shit son” so many times, ppl just don’t dig deep or listen clearly. English is not my native language, but I understand this man so well, even ppl in our country that don’t speak English or do not know it that well love & respect him so much. Pac is very very underrated lyricist and MC in general, ppl discredit his ability as a technical mc very much. a couple of song I wanna mention that make me rewind ‘em again and again with that nasty face on 😂 One Love. As the World Turns outlaw, all out (OG version), Made Ni##az High Speed Tha Lunatic Runnin’ on E

[@PrinceJayReal]

For me, the best rapper is the one who makes the best rap music. It's all about discography. Who makes the best rap albums.

[@MylesSquared]

GOAT rapper isn't ever going to be a logical debate. People will just name their favorite rappers. It has to be more specific than that. Greatest lyricist of all time, greatest hip-hop ARTIST, greatest underground rapper, greatest mainstream rapper, etc.

[@JayInfamous00]

Myles Squared Beats That's a fair way to put it, then if I was to make a list it would be Greatest lyricist- Nas or Eminem(could had been Big Pun but not long enough discography) Greatest Hip-hop artist- 2pac Greatest Underground rapper- MF Doom Greatest Mainstream Rapper- Drake,Kanye or Wayne

[@thedondon911911]

Myles Squared Beats dumbest shit I ever read. Yes it can be an objective debate as long as someone knows how to separate their personal bias from facts

[@Mayonnaisesucks730]

Myles Squared Beats only real answer

[@MylesSquared]

Degenerett what facts? how much an artist sold? what other "facts" are there in music? Lmao foh, it's subjective

[@maxsmart9116]

Degenerett Troll recognize troll. Salute!

[@DWYCK]

Tupac was very technical when he started. Go listen to songs like Something Wicked and Young Black Male off of 2pacalypse Now. He simply changed his style later on so that it could fit the way he delivers his message in his music. I'd also like to add that A LOT of those so called "technical rappers" are only technical on a surface level. When you really break down their lyrics, you'll see lots of gibberish. I'm talking about the Bone Thugs, Fushnikens, early Jay-Z etc.

[@problemsnearyou3863]

When I speak for Jay, a lot of people didn’t like Jay . People had there eye on him but he wasn’t known to be THAT great of a rapper . He’s clever, but he grew into that the more his career moved on & he wasn’t properly recognized until Encore with Linkin Park . Then given GOAT status when he went platinum for the first time in ‘08

[@johnlennon3107]

Organized Konnection i say the same about cole, cole started off really rapping proving he was the best "rapper" with his tapes but when he got his audience he realized its not about fitting the most syllables in bar and rhyming 500 words in a song its about the message hes still rapping above average in his class but its more emotion and message like Pac

[@chrisjfox8715]

EneMEEEEZ

[@XavIsOnline]

Yeah, Eminem has started to suffer from the gibberish problem a bit since he adapted that rapbot flow, which makes me worry about his new album.

[@joshliggins2260]

Lol what???jay went platinum every album he released after reasonable doubt.all his albums are platinum and he has a record for most no.1 albums in a row.

[@DWYCK]

I don't know about GOATS but I definitely think that Pac and Scarface are bigger than Hip Hop.

[@fuzzydunlop4513]

scarface definitely is not. most casual fans dont even know scarface

[@AntonioSneed]

I consider scarface and nas on the same level. Either one could be the GOAT.

[@DWYCK]

Antonio Sneed Nas doesn't have the discography Scarface has. Scarface, just like Pac doesn't have a single bad album.

[@AntonioSneed]

Organized Konnection I can debate this. Nas has just as many great albums as Face. I'll start with Face. His first 4 solo projects are great, my homies is a miss, last of a dying breed and the fix are great, so was MADE. Emeritus went under the radar, and Deeply Rooted was great. Nas first three are great, skip nastradaumus, Stillmatic and God's Son are great, Streets Disciple was a good project, HipHop is Dead was good, Untitled was slept on but it was still good, and Life is Good was great. Kinda even.

[@parmar__12]

Eminem bigger than both Means he's so mainstream, he's even bigger than pop genres stars

[@musachaudhry]

Me Against the World is the best Pac album though

[@elison6188]

Musa Chaudhry big facts his technical lyrics is amazing and production is at its best

[@shades4385]

Yeah

[@Christopher._M]

I have been saying this for years now.

[@MattMatrixJohnson]

People come at J Cole's neck because of his fans that overhype him. And it's not even most of his fans that do that just a very vocal minority. This guy makes good songs and while he's not the most lyrical person in the world he can still be very lyrical when the time calls for it he doesn't sacrifice his art for mainstream appeal he produces most of his own beats and Engineers them his self for the most part. plus he can make songs accessible and relatable without them being too dumbed-down down. Dude deserves more credit but he's always compared to Kendrick which has become a curse for him tbh. If he wasn't as famous critics would like him more.

[@bassitabdul-rahman2629]

Tupac resonated with the culture. He didn't need the technical ability to get his content across. I really think pac is underated as a lyricist.

[@soundpictures93]

Bassit Abdul-Rahman His voice was so powerful.

[@bassitabdul-rahman2629]

Acahuana Qori yep that passion from the pit of his stomach. Legendary

[@sukka4pain]

"They say Moses split the Red Sea I split the blunt and rolled a fat one up, deadly"

[@micmorgan84]

It's not that Tupac couldn't be lyrical he just didn't want to, it didn't serve his purpose.

[@Brownbell]

King Kunta people don't know bout that blasphemy

[@StarskyandDutch]

This is the list of rappers I consider GOATS Nas Pac Big 3 Stacks Rakim Black Thought Kanye Em Hov Ghostface Lauryn Hill Wayne Kendrick DOOM GZA AZ There’s plenty more too, but these are my personal GOAT’s. Lyrics, flow, storytelling, creativity, ear for beats/production, sales (can be a factor), rhyme complexities, etc. honestly hard to create a GOAT rubric lmfao

[@paulchengformayor]

You guys are old heads not because you're of an older generation, but because you guys continue to paint a broad image of all the younger generation consumers. Granted there are a lot of us that will point to 'mumble rap' 'turn-up rap' and say those artists are amazing, but there are still many of us that genuinely like you're opinions and are searching for new music to listen to.

[@fidencionino9930]

yolochengbeast it’s oddly scary

[@thedondon911911]

yolochengbeast lmfao no, this era is garbage. Stop crying

[@jmass930]

+Degenerett The definition of over generalization. People like you are the reason people in this generation start to look down on past generations, all y'all do is judge instead of trying to influence and inform.

[@thedondon911911]

Ultimate Manhunter lmfaoo no, you kids started bashing the past the minute these mumble rappers told y’all to. And there’s no “informing” an era who’s kids swear up and down they know everything lmfao

[@bf2853]

is absoul a mumble rapper? is kendrick a mumble rapper? we calling vince staples, freddie gibbs, and dave east mumble rappers? son you sound ridiculous

[@piecesofaman6419]

1. You can't have ghost-writers 2. Gotta have more than one classic. 3. Have to have impacted the genre (underground or mainstream)

[@iansmart4158]

Kanye has done 2 and 3 multiple times. He just also happens to have writers help him sometimes as well. Does that disqualify him even though he's probably the most influential rapper of the 2000s?

[@nikhilkrishnakumar]

Ian Smart This mentality will change 20 years from now, I'm sure. Once Drake's career is over, people will look back, accept that ghostwriting is OK and all that jazz. And I also feel 20 years from now, Kanye would be in that top 10 for most people.

[@iansmart4158]

I think both him and Drake should be in the convo now. DRAKE AND KANYE are probably the most influential Hip Hop ARtists since Pac. Regardless of taste, that's justs the truth.

[@nikhilkrishnakumar]

Ian Smart Is Drake more influential than Jay or Em?

[@cesarporras9255]

Ian Smart Kanye steals ideas and songs from other artists bruh he’s great I can’t lie but all he do is take other artists ideas and make people think that he creates his shit out of the blue

[@ColdJoeGaming]

Kendrick is on the his way, if he keeps the same or more momentum, impact, level of lyricism, and mainstream success, he WILL be the best rapper ever

[@DreVersion1]

MF MOTHERFUCKING DOOM!!!

[@jhonts17]

Rick Sanchez I respect your opinion. But you're saying that his buttery flow is ass? There is no such thing.

[@JayInfamous00]

Rick Sanchez lmao

[@roronoaitachi5263]

Jhonathas Silva his delivery is ass

[@thogro99]

Scarface a GOAT...just saying

[@JMHx]

For me you obviously have to write all of your own lyrics, you have to be lyrically proficient, have classic albums. My Top 5 would be... 2Pac, Nas, Rakim, Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar

[@MyNameIsLegato]

DAMN Lupe 🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@sjsjsjsjsbagahlwmdbxhamansksms]

Lupe? Really?

[@BLewTheKake]

Lupe ain't gone be appreciated for another 20 years

[@mykelc205]

DAMN lupe..nope.

[@BlackGodKing-oi2gr]

DAMN Alotta ppl look over Lupe but he’s lyrically in another world

[@thisisanewusername4662]

Top Emcees DOA (not in any particular order): Canibus Nas Eminem Mos Def Black Thought Biggie Tupac Big Pun Talib Kweli Rakim Kool G Rap

[@james2155]

thisisanewusername good list, how about Big L?

[@soberhippy8240]

MF DOOM is underground and has mainstream influence

[@shades4385]

He's your favorite rapper's favourite rapper.

[@igotkeyzzz]

Gozilla facts

[@stillawake9359]

You gave DAMN a 7.

[@ThatOnePizzaMan]

still awake M E L O N

[@spintowin5537]

Myke is honestly starting to frustrate me, can you seriously engage w/ a question instead of being condescending. Of course hip hop has dumb fans, just assume they don't exist for the sake of the argument

[@luistorres8005]

SpinToWin stop watching the videos then

[@alexkay1605]

To be consider a GOAT you Need classic albums (at least 1) and: 30% Lyrics(bars) 25% Content 25% Songs(flow, voice,sound etc) 5% Consistancy(years in the game making good music) 15% Cultural impact

[@tronxcat001yt9]

j cole fans didn't exist until 2014 FHD

[@BrotherNero777]

lies kid

[@thedondon911911]

earlyman sweatshirt fucking facts

[@thedondon911911]

H.T JR cole went from going gold to 2x platinum over the span of 2 albums , lmao it’s not lies at all

[@jhalaurparks9942]

earlyman sweatshirt nah a lot of people Been fans since 2013 when he drop that track with Miguel hell even before that

[@darrellwilliams9168]

Cole been had fans off the warm up... chill

[@Asimo9819]

Lyricism, Integrity (no ghostwriting), Influence and Commercial Success. These are the qualities I hold rappers to when considering whether or not to put them in the GOAT conversation.

[@MultiDblood]

Eminem freestyle on hip hop awards?

[@Ja.abbatta_V]

FIRE

[@cesarporras9255]

It’s great as usual it’s eminem on a freestyle wtf you expect? That’s runs on his blood

[@AQGOAT24]

I do think you need some notoriety to be a GOAT. Rappers influencing the future generations is one criteria to me alongside technical abilities. MF DOOM for one is an indie GOAT because he has both technical abilities, creativity and influence on the current generation.

[@MrVIP1993]

Yeah MF DOOM may not be mainstream, but he has definitely impacted the culture.

[@eldricksimmons1778]

Aseop Rock, K Dot, Rakim, Pac, Eminem,MF Doom, Kool Keith, Nas, Danny Brown, Lil Wayne, Del the Funky homosapien ,do groups count?

[@jjw1920]

I’m sorry but anyone who puts kanye as a goat of rappers then u a lie. He is not a rapper lol. But he is a good artist.

[@20thCenturyPox]

Voice, flow, lyrical dexterity, career longevity, classic albums (PLURAL!), respect of their peers and (especially at this point in time) the ability to appeal across several generations of rap fans.

[@AMVRebirth]

Damn Sophie just gets more beautiful everytime she's on camera.. Jeeeeez!

[@ty3691285]

Kanye is the GOAT to me. First 5 albums, all classic. I don't care about record sales but those are there too. Overall influence and impact on the culture is damn near unmatched. Also gives one of the greatest live shows ever (bringing up the walking out is irrelevant to me because I've seen Ye 3 times, and all 3 times he gave a full show) Not to mention, is responsible for production on SO many other artists catalog that are considered GOATs. Last but not least, he made Can't Tell Me Nothing. End of story.

[@MrVIP1993]

And yes, Lil Wayne is one of the GOATS. He was a very good lyricist in his prime. Lil Wayne has quotables for days.

[@luistorres8005]

MrVIP1993 no he’s never been a good lyricist. STOP IT.

[@MrVIP1993]

Rick Sanchez In the mid-2000s. I would say from 2005-2008 in particular, he was killing the game. And he was putting out so much material as well, which is what made it even more impressive, from the features to mixtapes, as well as albums.

[@jaysmith8310]

Jcole is put into the goat list by other people other than his fans like nas complex shit even most def and cassidy have said hes great but i think hes put in for some of the reasons tupac is. Cole is one of the most relatable artist thats why his fanbase is so strong. The connection he builds with his fans is crazy in a sense they feel like they are him.

[@z7513]

faxxx

[@iansmart4158]

I AGREE WITH THIS 110 PERCENT. But to say that is to undermine his ability in some way. he is one of the greatest "idea" rappers of this age. 4 your eyez only alone, is enough to put him in the GOAT convo (IMO).

[@jlong908]

He is undeniably top 3 of this generation along with kendrick and drake. Anyone who disagrees is just hating.

[@RenaldyCalixte]

Jay Smith J Cole is a great artist but an average rapper. In fact I would argue him for GOAT Producer waaayyyyyyyyyy before GOAT rapper.

[@sabihfaraz6732]

And that's what's so silly someone like Myke gets so much in his feelings if younger fans can't relate to the artists and music he likes but then acts like no one likes Coles music Lol generalizing shit is one of the worst things to do especially when it comes to something as subjective as Hip Hop

[@thinkythinkypanic882]

Not all kids are the same. I love hearing unheard-of shit.

[@Coolkid5800]

I feel like Myke uses these videos just to moan about fans he doesn't like. A very small number of people actually say this about and definitely not enough to have mentioned. Meanwhile Lil Yacthy fans don't even have these discussions. Can we just stay on topic rather than just going on a tangent about what you don't like. Rather than telling the comments they don't listen to you give them the choice. This us vs them mentality is so stupid.

[@thedondon911911]

Nathan Adeleye lmfao white mumble rap fan triggered

[@myncraft1]

im watching the video right now. mykes talking to ken about bar structure and lyrics.

[@Coolkid5800]

+Degenerett another bigot who thinks being black mean you know more about rap and gas completely ignored all of my points

[@murk4552]

Myke, it's not just Pac wasn't a 100% punchline lyricist, but he was mostly a poet - the other side of lyricism that largely doesn't get incorporated into GOAT lyricist criteria. Most Black people complain about there not being substance in Rap every decade. Yet when an emcee is poetic, that's not "hood" or "street-appealing" to them, they even mistake that for "lyrical miracle" - sounding White/crossover for Rap heads when that is never the case. That's why they make fun of their sells, not going Platinum, then turn around wondering why who's popular they bitch and complain about 24/7.

[@EricStackzMyRapMentor]

I think it should be judge on overall stats....like the nba Lyrics Song structure Originally Substance Consistency Influence Impact on the listeners Album sells longevity....ect Although i like underground too...putting them in the goat convo is "almost" like comparing d-league/street ball to the nba...as far as the people visibility go

[@MyNameIsLegato]

EricStackzTV Bad comparison. Because there is no one in the d league even close to LeBron.

[@EricStackzMyRapMentor]

Legato true...but its hard to judge underground with mainstream because the in general plublic does really know underground rapper...the point that i was trying to make was even if there was a LeBron in the d league...The in general public wouldn't know unless he makes it to the nba

[@eliezercaraballo3765]

EricStackzTV I think NBA and street ballers would make a better comparison

[@EricStackzMyRapMentor]

Eliezer Caraballo true

[@micmorgan84]

If we're going by that it would probably be jay-z

[@TuskyBaby]

My boy Modest Media lookin like Jay Rock

[@NCsPride704]

Shoutout to Rod. . .the man behind the camera

[@notbuyingit3709]

DEHH clickbait...smh. You think that the crew will answer the quintessential question that hip hop heads would expect DEHH to be UNIQUELY qualified to answer. Instead they criticize OTHER hip hop outlets, "average rap fans", and the youth...again. Also, ironic that they talk about GOAT lists being bad because they don't consider all rappers, and turn around and stereotype hip hop publications, rap fans and young people. I LOVE Y'ALL STOP LETTING ME DOWN!!!!!

[@angelferrer892]

For me = Kanye West. Come at me

[@Letsfuckingoooooooo]

Angel Ferrer you right tho

[@dawitniguse3920]

agree

[@MrVIP1993]

To me, he is a GOAT hip hop artist but not rapper. I don't feel like he is good enough as an out-and-out rapper to be in that conversation. But if he rapped like he did on MBDTF his whole career, then it may have been different.

[@angelferrer892]

MrVIP1993 True, i can’t sit here and say he’s the best lyricist, but Goat all around hip hop artist

[@TheDiagnoser]

I can't come at you. That's a valid opinion.

[@staticbrown]

im gonna tell the average someone that ka is a goat and they gonna be like "Ka?", did you cough? people need to stop paying attention to billboard and all of these big publications that don't care about the hip hop culture, if you have an opinion it doesn't need to be validated by some disconnected corporation

[@vp_808]

Make a DEHH top 10 rappers of all time list

[@popetaytv]

Stuff like this shows how out of touch they are. It's not that hard to enjoy someone like Uzi while understanding he isn't great in the same way Kendrick is great. It's now different than being able to enjoy a summer blockbuster, while understanding it isn't winning an Oscar for best picture. As far as the youth not going back, well one you can't expect every generation to know every artist to come before them, thats a ridiculous thing to expect. That would be like expecting the DEHH to know ever soul or R&B singer that was even remotely popular during their parents days. If anybody is to blame for the youth not knowing a Cool Keith it's the hip hop radio stations that have done a poor job of keeping goats from previous generation relevant besides a select few.

[@tpsam]

popetaytv don't underestimate people lack of common sense! There are some people who really thinks drake is the greatest. It's not that rare to be uneducated about the right criteria of what is a good hip hop verse. And I think the reason why these people are uneducated is about the radio issues you pointed out.

[@anthonytorres3276]

Xxx extensions- myke 2017 😂

[@christophersheppard9825]

I honesty think to consider an artist as a "GOAT"... he or she has to have entire "Projects" that has; either set the bar or influence the sound of hip-hop culture in it's entirely.. I cant call a rapper the "greatest of all time" because he has bars.. that's like saying i enjoyed the movie because it has good music...

[@AngelLozadaBlindNun]

There's certainly a difference between a good MC (rapper) and a good hip hop artist. The difference between a Big Daddy Kane vs a Fresh Prince.

[@bonetiks]

1st- LYRICISM is not limited to "bars". The impact of what is being said rules out. Some of the greatest were able to accomplish this through technique while others such as Pac and DMX made you relate to the emotion. Rap has always been a form of POETRY put to music. In that sense we go with what's most profound. That could be a great tightly woven set of bars or a well put sentiment, etc. 2nd- MASS APPEAL is a major aspect of being the "GOAT". You cannot expect an underground rapper to be in the same contention as a Kendrick or Eminem if no one has heard them. Part of being the GOAT is breaking through that ceiling. If for what ever reason a rapper doesn't have that appeal that is the very "reason" that rapper is not a GOAT. 3rd- CONTENT has always been a prerequisite to being a GOAT, and that is not limited to political or social views. Nas, Biggie, Ice Cube, etc were all able to provide impactful content through storytelling; painting pictures of real life; urban decay; and success. Things you can learn from, live by, or be weary of. 4th- LONGEVITY is a measure of greatness! After all of these years Jay-Z can still impact the face of Hip Hop. Eminem can stop the world with a freestyle. Not because of unrivaled talent, but because of the respect they have earned by being great for such a long time. 5th- LEGACY.. A GOAT will certainly leave it's mark! When you invite the nerd to the cool table things will change, even if only aesthetically. Drake's run has been the greatest rap has ever seen, and not because of any one thing. He has proven that landscapes can change as a direct response to his output. DEHH this list can serve as criterion for the next time you decide to waste people's time.

[@DWYCK]

I like artist that have skills on the mic and great discographies, with critically acclaimed albums and relevancy to this day, underground and mainstream included. That's why Ghostface, Redman, Pharoahe Monch, Aceyalone, Gift Of Gab, Aesop Rock, Big Boi and Andre, Quelle Chris, El-P are heavy contenders for being the 🐐

[@TheDiagnoser]

Ghostface is a natural top tier mc he don't realize how good he is.

[@SpurOfMoment]

El-P and Quelle Chris? Whuuuut?

[@Ahdragos]

Aesop is so underrated in these kinds of conversations

[@LouieV6]

Dude, finally someone mentions Aceyalone! He doesn’t get enough credit.

[@glis3834]

i sincerely think El-P was one of the best if not the best rapper during the 2000s. His new partnership with killer mike is lit too

[@ortiztheinfamous2771]

People critique Cole like they would with Kendrick. Cole may not be as technical as Kendrick but I don't like Cole for the reasons I like Kendrick, Cole is considered great by not just fans , but by other media outlets, his contemporaries, and even greats.

[@PemTheO.P]

You guys should get a young person 25 or under to give an accurate description of the current generation's opinion

[@kennethmarshall5598]

I think it's possible to clarify with an analogy; McDonalds doesn't have the best burgers on the market, but they do have the most popular. If we can understand that concept and apply it to music, then the GOAT conversation doesn't have to be about sales. Will Smith sold more albums than a lot of artists, but people don't put him in their GOAT list. People use the sales argument when it helps support their opinion.

[@hatersupreme5968]

Kendrick is the goat, the criteria is; Be Kendrick Lamar

[@m.rtheone4698]

BB slingin Naw.

[@hatersupreme5968]

Rick Sanchez he's the goat so.....

[@jayrusso1589]

@@m.rtheone4698 Yes he is

[@m.rtheone4698]

@@jayrusso1589 No he isn't.

[@qwertyRoss1]

I just personally don’t like rappers that all use the same style, flow and cadence so when rappers experience beyond the norm like x, trippie redd, lil Tracy (rip young bruh), smoke purp, chance, dexter, uzi, Kendrick, etc I don’t pay too much attention to sales or trends

[@usernameof5]

Be Lil Pump

[@Gentlemanclub5]

who got biggest impact WORLDWIDE ? : EMINEM & PAC

[@knife-chase]

I hate how Myke has such a mean, negative, and holier than thou outlook on his own audience. Ya, sure, you get loud mouths shouting in the comments but there's plenty of deeper hip hop fans that watch this show.

[@nnnnnn496]

Like you 🙄

[@dionantwon]

I almost wrote out a long ass paragraph explaining why Pac should be in the GOAT conversation, then I remembered Justin Hunte made a great vid on it and I'd just be regurgitating everything he said. Just watch that vid if you don't think he belongs

[@sukka4pain]

My top 10: 1. Tupac (Almost every album is a classic, lyrical genius when he made Makaveli, the most legendary rapper of all time, he destroyed Biggie) 2. Biggie (2 classics, best/coldest flow ever, he had those m'fucking skills, etc.) 3. Nas (Best lyricist of all time, he made the greatest album of all time with age 17-19, he destroyed Jay Z) 4. Rakim (Lyrical genius, 2 classics, he completely changed Hip Hop) 5. Eminem (3 classics, crazy flow, technical god, crazy lyrics and wordplay) 6. Big L (2 classics, punchline king, freestyle king, flow monster) 7. Andre 3000 (Lyrical genius, flow genius, 3 classics) 8. MF DOOM (2 classics, LYRICAL MASTERMIND, the villain of Hip Hop) 9. Lupe Fiasco (Second best lyricist, a genius at everything) 10. Kendrick Lamar/Mos Def (Kendrick: Great lyricist, crazy flow, 3 classics) (Mos Def: GENIUS!)

[@m.rtheone4698]

King Kunta No pun?

[@masterofthecraft1990]

Love This list

[@sukka4pain]

Maurice Roberts He's in my top 13.

[@seankelly4594]

This is most casual list ever

[@aweshad9]

Myke for real be annoying me with his cynical attitude. Like he isn't sharing his opinion on a video for sharing opinions because he doesn't want comments.

[@zord812]

I feel Eminem would have been the GOAT if he stopped at TES

[@alinac5512]

I hate when people say that everything Em did after TES was bad. I found enjoyable songs in every album he's put out afterwards. Some were better, some were not that good but he never had a really terrible project (fight me).

[@jacksheridan1470]

Alina C encore and revival were pretty bad tbh, but I agree with you on everything else. Relapse, recovery, and mmlp2 and kamikaze are really solid albums with a few bad songs here and there

[@alinac5512]

@@jacksheridan1470 I mean I personally still listen to like to, y solders, love you more, Mockingbird and believe, Bad husband, like home etc, but that's just me if you, really don't like anything about encore or revival I can respect your opinion.

[@mrhussain9008]

Low-key obsessed with this younger generation, we want yall opinion bruh, stop caring what youngers care about.

[@jaygatling1977]

DEHH > Everyday Struggle

[@tawermeister99]

Mike using semantics again. Rapper. Rap artist. What’s the difference.

[@alexkay1605]

-Album sales -Lyrics/Content -Rhymes -Flow -Cultural impact -Consistency/Duration -At least 2 Classics -Creativity

[@tjtoodeep]

Ppl have to learn how to keep score based on how the game is today. It's like old heads be wanting to give the new generation two points for a three point shot just because they didn't have it during their time. All these convos are bias. Older ppl that even consider Kdot a goat do so because he's the closest thing to what used to be praised that actually gets main stream love. The problem is ppl use "criteria" to disqualify instead of rank and many have a hard time considering someone outside of the "golden era" a goat if they aren't reminiscent of that time.

[@nehalakmal6357]

jcole had a hot year and suddenly he a goat :o jcole albums cant even come close to even one of kendricks album

[@alexrivera7075]

Creativity, substance, culture impact, character, believable, bars, inspiration, mainstream appeal, can spit at any pace, respect among other rappers. Thats what I think of in a goat rapper.

[@Christopher._M]

I agree

[@josuesanchez9512]

Eminem

[@Abrabeck82]

I think that in this video they focused too much on the young people who really don't pay attention to what they're listening to. There are plenty of young hip hop fans that can understand why you name a golden age MC, there are plenty of young people that don't focus on album sales at all.

[@timallen7490]

people just don't differentiate between rapPER and rap ARTIST. That's two different lists. I think the idea of "goat" in itself is dumb but I've thought that if you were to actually do it then make two lists instead of one.

[@tjtoodeep]

Apexia Descnce In your opinion what's the difference between a rapper and a rap artist?

[@redpiller169]

Make one for the underground and one for the mainstream.

[@RaKayla1412]

Wayne is GOAT He evolved as a artist Made mixtapes hot A game changer Like over 20 years in the game 5 classic albums

[@dionantwon]

Having rappers that cant rap well in the list for greatest RAPPERS of all time is so crazy to me. You don't put basketball players that don't play basketball well in the greatest of all time list. You don't put the most popular players in that list. You have to have skill. But they should also have a great run, the numbers relative to their time, and accolades to back up your GOAT list argument.

[@aquanecromancer5776]

Y'all really sounded out of touch with young folks

[@darrylmiller9643]

Myke, with all due respect. You have to stop assuming that there is not a group of people who are able to constructively be able to think beyond the mainstrem: You do. So are you saying that your group of friends are the only objective thinkers? You can be seen as bias also, right? I personally think that Ka, Skyzoo, Canibus, and Lupe should absolutely be in the conversation for best lyricist ever. I have logic behind it. I think it'd disturbing that Black Thought is not in most people's top 5, and Tupac shouldn't even be considered. This idea that his content places him in that category is absurd. If that's the case then he shouldn't be anywhere near Nas who has rapped about everything, from a million different point of views. He is technically better than Pac, had as much or more depth, but people consistently use his mythology to elevate his status. It's a joke.

[@mehdinoujoum2923]

Lil Wayne is the GOAT best rapper alive lil weezy baby

[@mattsak3338]

Rakim Nas Ice Cube Kane KRS Biggie Pac Eminem Black Thought Big Pun

[@m.rtheone4698]

Matt Sak Finally somebody said pun.

[@SpurOfMoment]

NO.

[@zi7441]

Matt Sak KENDRICK

[@mattsak3338]

David GNG over who

[@xFLYBOII]

J Cole Is the goat 🐐

[@vladimirklizschko9337]

Im hella hip hop fan. Im checking out for everything. Mainstream or underground or whatever but i need to say i kinda agree with that in a goat convo there cant be a El-P, Reks or Blu in a convo even though i am a fan of these artist and do think they are way better than J. Cole, Drake or idk 21 savage. I think album sales, popularity, fanbase and (also lyrics) influence are important and sometimes in underground they cant be given....so yeah

[@keepingitreal8755]

For me wot i consider to be greatest rapper its not about rapping it about your writing skillz word play punchlines and ability to tell a story and be creative and relate to .to me that makes an mc . There rappers then thers mc In my opinion the mc's are Biggie Pac Eminem Krs one Nas Rakim

[@lordofgiovanni]

Lyrics, beat selection, influence, consistency, and a style and personality and flavor that is entirely your own My top five; Andre 3000, El P, Pusha T, Big, DOOM

[@refusingtoconform]

Probably the most unique Top 5 I've seen in a long while. Good on you.

[@lordofgiovanni]

@@refusingtoconform what’s funny is that my list has totally changed by this point, to something a little less original alas Aesop Rock, Jay Z, Andre 3000, DOOM, Ghostface But it’s good to know I had good taste once upon a time!

[@Jackk7777]

Who tf bases how good a rapper is off album sales

[@curtleypetersen4774]

Ralph killed me with that "Enemies!" line LMAO

[@TheLuiscelaya]

Modest Media is the GOAT of Dehh

[@jacksonrhodes7933]

This video made me alt ri . . . sorry wrong video carry on boys

[@soundpictures93]

Jackson Rhodes lol

[@maxsmart9116]

In that case, dj akademiks the type a...

[@166mreli]

What’s the Criteria to be a GOAT Rapper? Be named JAY-Z. Jay-Hova(Jehovah). In other words GOD. God of the culture/hip hop.

[@166mreli]

Rick Sanchez that's my pick. so who do you think the goat is?

[@123froozen]

Will you Review the upcoming Jedi Mind Tricks album? Love the channel, keep it up!

[@adamphillip5305]

Do they have one coming. I know Heavy Metal Kings (Paz & Ill Bill) is coming really soon.

[@mainulsourav6676]

has to be popular for a long time, and has to be diverse in that time. and has to have a solid fanbase

[@Tobias.Harris]

lets discuss whats the criteria to be a rapper first

[@nnnnnn496]

The criteria is to rap.

[@MrAllenIverson]

To me the goat conservation you would have to take a look a basketball. Not saying shaq is the greatest rapper of all time cause he is also a nba player but the goat convo was created by fans of the nba. And the nba is a place where you can be great in all different kinds of categories like all time points, points in a game, influence, impact, assists, efficiency and more. But your not the goat.. they play key roles in making people think you atleast a runner up for it but it doesn't tell you if you are. Like for hip hop it's flow, bars, albums, influence, impact, how many sold, how many platinum, or any category you can think of to prove someone from being better then others. What it all boils down to for your goat is what you value or what your values are. Basically what makes a goat is the over all general opinion on who is. Whoever has the most people is basically the goat. You can even argue that jordan isn't the goat of basketball. He doesn't have the most rings, he lost in the first round a couple times, his team you can argue was over over powered for its time, he doesn't have the most points scored in a game/season/career, and many more. But he is the goat due to popular opinion and has remained the goat longer then other nba players because he has his own popular brand. You see jordan commercials, shoes, hornets jerseys have a jumpman logo on it now.. the belief has just been passed on cause of marketing. To figure out who is the goat of hip hop you need a generalized opinion for the majority of the community. Yes today and yesterday's hip hop fans. And the one with the most is technically the goat. Even if another rapper is better all around it doesn't matter cause its just a belief. And for people that may say well how can you compare hip hop and basketball this is for you. Hip hop and basketball have the same culture thanks mainly to allen iverson. They have the same impact. You see your favorite player wearing something you might go cop it. You hear like lil pump say gucci gang your probably gonna want to get some gucci. And it applies to not just gucci but anything. Even like screaming fuck the police when you have no problems with the law but just because nwa said it and you like them. Then the categories like number 1 hits is kinda the same equivalent as a mvp or championship besides hits come more often the championships. Flow and bars are equivalent to how you play basketball which is very important unless your not really a big fan or don't care. Like how you actually got the game winning shot. Whether it be a hard 3 over a defender like kobe or just your team mate finding you the open for a easy layup and yea enough said. And how it relates to hip hop is someone with a nice flow and the bars you like and the easy layup part is comparable to someone who actually had a ghost writer/ just jumps on a beat with no flow or bars/and lastly but not least what people call mumble rap. I also count screens in basketball for a points scored by pick & rolls and pick & pops kinda like just being in a remix. It's more of a team thing not individual. Like bars and flows can be compared to how good while making a play how good they set the screen or shot the ball. There are many different ways to compare hip hop to basketball.

[@tpsam]

Mr AllenIverson don't see analytics working with hip hop. Do you get it? Something on basketball is objectively quantified. Moreover hip hop is really appreciated by few. You have way more people educated about nba and basketball. How many people have heard all the classics of hip-hop? I mean all of them! You can't really judge without knowing all the classics first. You shouldn't be entitled if you aren't educated enough on the matter.

[@legalcake6125]

Lil pump da goat don’t @ me 😤😤😤

[@MichaelJimenez416]

Legal Cake so many facts 👏

[@rickyspanish3053]

*Has Nas profile pic, says Lil Pump is the GOAT*

[@LeekStackhouse]

Lyrical ability Impact Strong discography (at least 1 classic) Originality Sound (sonically) Longevity