Webisode 35: Hating vs Criticism | Dead End Hip Hop

[@theneedledrop]

damn, i wish i could come down! let me know how the event goes!

[@CarlClinto]

It went great. How are you?

[@dihajjar2888]

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[@dihajjar2888]

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[@yhetti64]

I think "haters" should be quantified as people who drop the substance of a criticism in favor of their emotional bias. If a critique is well thought out but harsh, not hating. "You're stupid for liking x, y is overrated, he can't rap", that's "hating". Just my opinion.

[@theneedledrop]

if you're gonna hate, make sure to subscribe! perfect!

[@arhamsingh1522]

Melon is a buisness mannn....

[@mistamead9292]

A hater is when someone doens't give any reasons they dislike someone and when they want a person to fail just because they don't wanna see someone reach success.....normal people are hated on in life as well 2

[@foreverchillinjt]

I respect that y'all speak y'all's opinions and don't change up your opinion for nobody.

[@toneriggz]

Damn, it's been over 2 years since they did this video based on my suggestion.

[@parmar__12]

JZA with a J 6th

[@MartyMcFly__25]

8 years

[@anthonywaters424]

Bro i missed these close up shots they used to do

[@JJPHILLYLG]

The term hating is often used to be dismissive of someone's opinion. Even if someone is correct that you are hating that says nothing about whether you are justified in your hatred.

[@ndx2k]

Nice Common reference. (Song he referenced was The Light, look it up, gud song)

[@stealthmermaid40]

Ahaha b's walk off in the end was priceless!

[@xJBx72x]

My understanding is that he never had much money until he began acting. He definitely didn't "start from the bottom" though. He should have called it "Started from the Lower-Middle Class". My response to nate was more directed at Drake being "fake" as in a studio thug, which I have only noticed in Stay Schemin

[@KBartel]

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER WE FULLY AGREED WITH FEEFO's COMMENTS LMAO but nah fr good old school vid guys.

[@JTHAMMER12]

Good episode! I do agree that this occurs among the younger crowd. I used to accuse people of hating too. When someone idolizes an artist so much and then another person nagatively critiques the same artist, then that person will get upset. It doesnt matter what your reasoning is. Sad but true.

[@Estusflask11]

Thank you guys so much for helping me be more open minded about hip hop. You've got me into guys like Tyler and Kendrick Lamar. Plus If I never watched you're videos I'd still be the eminem fan boy I was. ( but em still is a great rapper and in my mind ONE OF the better story tellers in the game)

[@Nielsen700]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I've been waiting a long time for someone to talk about this.

[@RiftRaft123]

A hater says shit maliciously and with no critic in their comment just saying shit to say it. They don't explain their reasoning behind their comment and what the artist can do to change that opinion.

[@MrLexanderluther1986]

"If you call me a hater, conversation is OVER, because that means you're an idiot"...that, THAT, is the quote of the week! A, fuckin, men!! Thank yall for this video!

[@gallyun1]

I like hearing different people perspectives on hip-hop music , it gives me a better understanding of the music and artists. Keep up the good work guys.

[@kenillla]

AAAWW Thank God! I almost snapped when I haven't got a new DEHH in days!

[@Nic214E]

20:52 Steven Stapelton is making music in the background, lol

[@ChXeese]

Or they are just old. lol that's the stupidest insult

[@trey_nation]

drake is dope TO YOU. just because these guys don't like drake doesn't mean their stupid. it's called an opinion

[@statandmel0]

damn u guys have the most intresting conversations. much love after i saw your cole world album review, you got a new subscriber

[@ny4lyfe19]

ive been subscribed to this channel for a while now and i always value and appreciate every one of your conversations and reviews. now to the point. i hate when people use the term hating lol. if someone can say they don't like an artist and not back it up with points then that's just an unsubstantiated opinion. and personal attachment aside... if you can't really step outside of yourself and give your favorite artist an honest critique then that's something personal you need to work out.

[@CEOJace]

Damn, finally someone other than me says it...I get that same shit when I say that Trinidad James, Wocka Flocka, Lil B, Gucci Mane, and Solja Boy are wack as fuck....ITS MY OPINION!!!! Just because I dont like or listen to something doesnt mean Im telling other people not to listen to it.

[@NerdyMastermind]

I'm a Big Drake Fan I think He's One of the Best Doing it Right Now. As far as Mainstream Hip Hop Goes but I Respect you Guy's Opinion's.

[@milesmungo]

I think the term hater is used when the reason(s) you don't like someone/something can't be explained or understood. If I understand why C-Town doesn't like Drake I would never call him a hater. But if he either has no valid points, or can't articulate them, then the term hater makes more sense to use. If you've listened to enough Drake to form your opinion, then I'll respect it. e.g. How many people say they don't like country music yet have never even listened to it? Great video as always!

[@mykectown]

@xWFColonel56x That totally makes sense. For real. I can only speak for myself, but I when I say "same ole Wayne" I was thinking that Carter 4 was very similar to Carter 3. But I totally see your point. I just meant, at this stage in his career, people should know what to expect and shouldn't have gotten so upset by what they got from him.

[@jswilliams669383will]

@beezy, c town, kinge, feefo - I like the show because it put things into your perspective. I think the word hating is a strong word that used loosely today. The think the difference between us old heads and the youngsters are there not as diverse as us when it comes to music choice. All they know is what the mainstream is feeding them.

[@coolnesss16]

HA Myke went in on Antiswag! Nice video guys! To me hating is having no basis for not liking whatever the music it is. Critizing is giving reason why something is flawed and how could be improved. People forget that music is subjective. No matter how much you THINK something is great or shitty..it's all about preference at the end of the day.

[@illnatintel]

Keep up the good work ya'll. What you guys are doing here is appreciated by some people and thats all that matters.

[@kennithbinge]

@toneriggz Thanks for the recommendation. We have been working on producing one for a few weeks now. Thanks for the topic and keep them coming.

[@katieiman3434]

This is a much needed subject

[@toneriggz]

Thank you for choosing to do a video based on my suggestion...Great convo as always...Definitely agree with Myke...if you have your points then you shouldn't be called a hater...it seems that the more popular the artist, the more likely that artist's fanbase will call a legitimate critic a hater...of course the biggest irony of it all is that most people who accuse others of hating, will hate as well...they'll be the first to say that something is wack or has no swag...smh

[@RyRy16oz]

@deadendhiphop Myke has the right definition of hating right! When you dislike an album or an artist without ever listening to it.

[@DGMikeBarker]

Yall are bucking the trend. People get criticize for stirring the pot whether for good or for bad. I love you all's vids.

[@ptitcka]

"It's stupid, and hella immature!" - Mike C.Town

[@classicbananamilk]

Great topic guys. Also, Domo Genesis - Under The Influence review please?

[@brillohead89]

This was a great video. I agree'd big time with myke and kbinge about people being attatched to their favorite artists and taking offense when people don't like them.

[@kennithbinge]

@37supersonic No problem man. Glad we could help out. Thanks for watching and subbing!

[@ThaBlacksheepX]

@deadendhiphop crew you guys always keep it real. Keep up the good work.

[@Helloitisstillme]

Personally, I'd say that "hating" is saying something sucks and then never going deeper than that, even if it stems from a valid place. Criticism should be in some way constructive. When you site specific reasons and examples of why you like or don't like something it's criticism. If an artist stumbles across negative reviews of their album, they should become aware of SPECIFICALLY what people aren't feeling, and consider whether or not to work on or change that thing.

[@Doctordre93]

Thank You Guys!!! Ironically the conclusion was if your a Hater your Contradicting yourself!!!!!

[@latinomusic954]

To me a hater is someone who is mad that the mainstream hip hop artist that get the shine that lyrical mcs dont like these typical hip hop heads that say "oh man fuck I miss the old days I miss the golden era Im tired of these new generation artist who are rich and all they do is,rap about money ect." Those to me r haters if u just say you dont like it then cool music is subjective but if your that mad then your a hater

[@mikesbruv]

In my world, there is no such thing as hating...the only time I guess someone would fall into the hater category is if they disliked an artist/album because it wasnt "cool" anymore...and also if they were basing their opinion of an album on other albums they had heard in the same genre, and not giving an artist a chance...there is no rule which says anyone has to like anything, hater is really a throwaway comment in my books...I also agree with the idea of hating on the person and thus the music

[@UseHERname93]

u guys are putting too much light on this situation.. its jus a bunch of kids goin thru an identity crisis no big deal =T

[@MrWillekeurige]

Subjective reasoning can be completely legitimate; also you guys and most critics give a reasonably balanced view on an issue. All I can say is - DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

[@520REDemption2]

i'll leave this topic to PackFM, cause he addressed it best... "at the end of the day, stand by your statements/ if i don't like it, i don't like it, that don't mean hatin'".

[@yugang08]

Glad ya finally made this video! This video on this topic in general is WAY long overdue. I hate ppl calling me a hater cause i dont like something (even tho i made my points to back it up). Plus i know exactly where myke is coming from when ppl are telling him why he doesnt like drake's music. Its like its not good enough to just dislike something, u have to be told why u dont like something and how THIS is the only why to dislike something. Like dont tell me why i dont like something.

[@itstaemonson]

8:19 feefo is stareing at you with anger

[@ChompingDiMystik]

Lol.. i'm with C Town. Anytime i'm debating music with someone and they unjustifiably throw the word "hater" at me, i just end it right there. That's a clear sign that they either have no point to argue or they just don't possess the skills to express themselves in an intelligent way. Either way, it's not worth the effort. lol

[@kennithbinge]

@SSBMSynikaL Actually, we were using relate able examples to illustrate and speak on the topic. The topic was a recommendation from our viewers. Um, I don't think anyone called you a hater so that kind of throws me off a little bit. Anyway, it's not anything we personally feel. We just had clear cut examples we could draw on for this topic. That's all. Trust me dude. We don't really care.

[@kennithbinge]

@eduardo13rocha Hate is a strong word but it's one that conveys emotion a lot easier for some people. People can really connect to that word a lot faster than most other adjectives used to describe something. Thanks for watching.

[@JuggerTrainUK]

Also i would be interested to hear your guy's thoughts on the rapper Childish Gambino. He has an album coming soon but he also has plenty Mix tapes and his popularity is really starting to grow.

[@IkePhillipRuffin]

Hating is when you verbalize your dislike for something or someone that the majority of people have deemed "hot" or "fly" , because the majority feels that you obviously don't get it. Or it can be considered the dislike of something or someone with no reasoning behind your dislike.

[@christianaayodele]

I think hating is when you go beyond disagreeing/disliking the content of the music on its own merit. When you start to take personal shots at the artist themselves rather than the music, then to me that's hating.

[@joao88]

dear dead end hip hop, am i the only one who is annoyed when hip hop fans are eager to say "album of the year" for albums such as carter 4, cole world, watch the throne when at tops they have only listened to snippets of a few mixtapes and singles from various artists on blogs. I respect that you guys are taking the time to listen to all these 2011 hip hop releases and review them. for now i will ignore these ignorant "music" fans and wait for the albums that make yall's end of the year list.

[@xHopshotx]

Hater is a word that gets thrown around way to much these days. So much that when you Criticize something People automatically pull the hater card out.

[@mykectown]

@JuggerTrainUK Yeah, the Wayne comparison is kinda unfair. It's just his voice. I don't think he sounds like him musically and his verses/punchlines are WAY better than Wayne's. Plus, I like his honesty. I'm really looking forward to his album.

[@TobiasxFunke]

i think you guys should do "artistry v. technicalskill/lyricism"

[@joao88]

@sdofik i think its sad that despite all these advances in technology, which enable us to discover quality music, the majority of my generation is interested in listening to corporate approved artists backed by major labels worried about big and fast profits. I really believe 2011 will go down as a strong year for hip hop releases but most of them have gone unnoticed. except for "hipster/yuppy" bloggers, who ironically are not the intended audience or fan base many artists desire.

[@DreamsUnending]

"if you goona hate make sure you subsribe" hahah beezy is the man

[@matthewjamal]

i think the real definition of hatin for todays standards is to act like you do not like something. But on the inside you like it.

[@mykectown]

@520REDemption2 Haha! No offense at all! But I agree with dude below. Feefo's would HAVE to be "I can ride to it." And I thought my best quote was "Shit to a booger?" It's all love, man.

[@rajvisa]

You guys should pay no attention to people who think you're 'haters'. You're making videos based on your opinions and thoughts. People think you're hating because you said something is whack or whatever, and don't realise its freedom of speech, these narrow minded people shouldn't even be watching your videos if they think your 'hating'. On a brighter note, keep up the good work DEHH! All the way from UK...peace

[@cmikeg86]

I start using the term "At the end of the day" because of them lol

[@Altuawn1]

@kingemedia Back in the day you could say something bad about Mr. P. He's one of the ones I study and he said that if he could do it over again, he wouldnt be in the spot light because people were criticizing him for not keeping it hood because he left and making comments about what he wasnt doing for the hood and I remember others saying he got rich off of saying he's a soldier. They'll always be haters for every last person standing, not because they hate them but because of their status

[@kennithbinge]

@jswilliams669383will Right. I don't know how hating became so popular but you know what I think it is. I think once rappers started using it, it took over and became mainstream within itself.

[@milesl64]

@deadendhiphop good video i agree with yall when everybody likes a rapper and you dont and have points to back it up they call u a hater

[@MisanthropikOne]

True shit!!!!!! Love this video.

[@cluenan]

You guys are my heroes.

[@JuggerTrainUK]

@mykectown Glad to hear it, I am big fan myself. But I am quite surprised that you like his stuff C Town, I have always found him to be kind of similar to Lil Wayne, and i know how you feel about Wayne lol.

[@GA87-95]

Great discussion and topic, keep it up.

[@Altuawn1]

@deadendhiphop The higher you all get, the more people are going to get jealous. I see success for yall, so get mentally prepared for the haters. The best weapon is to ignore them. I know I am, unless they have more status than me.

[@TheCoolCatsClub]

Hating is when you bring in personal opinions that don't have to do with the music. For example, if someone says, drake is gay, thats hating, because that isn't his music. Criticism would be saying, drake is a bad rapper, which is still an opinion, but it has to do with perception of the music,

[@mykectown]

@Bankallday "Yall niggas is haters for hating on folks that call you haters" I love this! I'm totally gonna steal that shit, bruh! But I'll credit you.

[@mykectown]

@JuggerTrainUK He's one of my current favorite rappers.

[@kennithbinge]

@Blackuno3 Oh, did you cop any of those new #1 relaunches that dropped this month? I think it was all DC. Just curious.

[@mykectown]

@poisenctrl Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you, sir.

[@TobiasxFunke]

props to myke for recognizing his lil b hate. very mature.

[@steelerfan5369]

Drake is WACK, just like most of these rappers out now.

[@Olando89]

I cam only agree with your comment.

[@mykectown]

@520REDemption2 Haha! No offense at all! But I agree with dude below. Feefo's would HAVE to be "I can ride to it." And I thought my best quote was "Shit to a booger?"

[@DylanTingley]

feefo got a point if you say someone can't rap you gotta explain that more then just "that's my opinion". you can be like i don't like the cadence his persona the subject matter if you just say you dont like it that's not something anyone else can understand so they label it hate

[@mdessaso]

DeadEnd HipHop Them some cool brothas their keep up the criticing ya'll, ur points matter!

[@quinn959]

Good video and i know this doesnt really have anything to do with the topic but can we get a Cole World review please. I really wanna hear your guys opinions.

[@EXtra977]

That's more subjective if anything...

[@NJ609B]

I thought that the whole point of watching a review was to here somebody elses thoughts on something. Hell I dont alaways agree with what you guys say (Danny Brown) but I will never start a comment war because I dont see the need to justify myself to anybody else but me.

[@kennithbinge]

@Bangaz22 Oh no fam, this isn't about us. We were using examples. We expect to take heat no matter what we say. We good.

[@coolnesss16]

@mykectown It's crazy how people get mad when you disagree with them on an artist..i know everyone can't be open minded but damn you know. People need to learn to gather their points and formulate a valid argument instead of just bitching! Or learn to agree to disagree!

[@NJ609B]

Come on people that J Cole album just came out today!! (Unless you bootlegged it I guess) If you watched the Big Sean review you would know that Dead End Hip-Hop does multiple listens so just be patient!

[@qtbrown]

Myke- just curious, what kid of non hip-hop artists have you really gotten into this year? Have you heard the new Mastodon album?

[@kennithbinge]

@Blackuno3 Did you even listen to why we did this video? Dude, we don't care what people think about what we say. Anyway, that's for commenting and watching.

[@factualhatch]

You guys should review that new Domo Genesis - Under the Influence

[@liftthat]

Review the new JMT album, and a question to @deadendhiphop or @mykectown ...do you guys know about K- Rino? I think you guys should review his latest album(s) "Alien Baby" "The Day of the Storm"...I just wanna see you guys review K-Rino, doesn't matter which album

[@donekiltem]

can y'all review the new z-ro album meth? it would be cool hearing what yall think about it

[@toneriggz]

@AlanColeslaw "Shiraz" by Action Bronson...produced by Tommy Mas...

[@ZodMagus]

Love this episode

[@macadomusic]

Hating is when u blindly criticize an artist for no reason but to be negative. Hating is also swaying others away from checkin for it.

[@mykectown]

@Narkami I see what you're saying...but don't you think that's a little unreasonable to expect that? I mean, if someone asks you why you don't like an artist you really sit and break down every verse? That's impossible in a spontaneous convo. Especially when you hear someone and just plain don't like them. I don't memorize Wacka Flocka verses, but I don't feel like I am being ridiculous by saying "I think he sucks." People just don't argue that because it's a common sentiment.

[@AlanColeslaw]

hey can anyone pleeeeeeeease tell me the name of the first beat playing in the background?